lennavan: relcec: what do you disagree with?

Pretty much your entire narrative. I disagree with the way you painted the entire farking thing. I guess I don't feel up for a pages long reply war with you. Most days I am.

For specifics:

the truth is they are thick in it.

Nah. Far too tin foil hatty. Prosecution would have stopped at the top, at the people making the decisions. Not with the people who had knowledge and let it continue. Obama didn't want to spend his political capital picking that fight because he had plenty of other fights ready to go. I disagree with him, I think it matters, I think there should have been hearings. But it's not because we would have seen all the D's and R's behind bars.

it's too tin foilly that the democrat minority leadership would be told about governemnt policy?

you are the one who is arguing that the bush administration has some vast conspiracy with the CIA to frame nancy pelosi that has caused both CIA peons and CIA leadership to lie about personally breifing her, then you have them creating contemporaneous evidence of her particpation in those meetings.


why wouldn't pelosi want to do this if she wasn't involved? what political capital does she have to lose? the bush suporters in San Fran gonna be pissed with her for an investigation?
you have no answer.

so you proclaim grand governemnt wide conspiracy theories involving non political civil servants fabricating out of whole cloth shiat about democrat complicity in serious felonies for no reason (and which the democrats for some reason ingore instead of furiosly attacking) and make up imaginary reasons why going after the bush administration in this one arena would suddenly require the obama administration to use political capital when it has been his #1 politcal strategy for the last 4 years and has brought him nothing but great benefit but I'm the tin foil hat guy.
oh and your theory has the democrats out of the goodness of their hearts leaving their politicial oposition standing instead of gutting them like a fish and leaving the bleeding corpse on the floor once nad for all for no discernable reason.

you are f*cking delusional about your political heroes. they are thick in it. take off the tin foil hat and quit being a f*cking idiot.

it's way too tin foil hatty to think the top congressional commision on the war on terror might be briefed on the war on terrror but not at all tin foil hatty to think that there is a vast governemnt wide conspiracy between former bush adminstration officials who haven't been in power for 3 years and career civil servants who have worked in the CIA for 30 f*cking years to fabricate evidence of Pelosi's participation in those meetings.
oh and pelosi just sits and takes these cia officials calling her a liar and a suporter of torture. doesn't call for an investigation.
yeah, I'm the one that has the tin foil hat on.
well levanan is off the list.
is there a f*cking honest democrat in the universe? anywhere?

Coelacanth: Cythraul: For the charge of being Karl Rove. Isn't that enough?

Murdering 2.5 million dead innocent Iraq civilians (according to the 200 year old British medical journal, The Lancet)?

And Nancy Pelosi let it happen. She could have arrested Rove at any time, but she thought "Meh, Iraqis can't vote for me."

As the old saying goes, All it takes for evil to triumph is for Nancy Pelosi to do nothing.

I'm not sure that I'd even know who Pelosi was if it wasn't for Republicans getting all butthurt about her all the time.

Same thing goes for Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers. I'd never heard of these people until Republicans started biatching about them.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Why would she even bother to say this? Why am I supposed to be happy that Pelosi chose to pass on arresting Karl Rove?

She was saying that she didn't pursue a witch-hunt back in the Bush days, but the GOP doesn't seem to have that same level of deference.

That's all.

"You know, I could've arrested farking ROVE of all people. For pretty much anything. Yeah. We have that power. You know why I didn't? Cause pointless political theater is farking childish and doesn't help improve the quality of life of this country's citizens one iota. Oh, btw, how're those jobs programs coming along TEAbaggers?"

Mr.Insightful: rufus-t-firefly: "America will be far safer if we reduce the chances of a terrorist attack in one of our cities than if we diminish the civil liberties of our own people." - Nancy Pelosi

Rufis... what she is saying here is that rather than diminish the civil liberties of our own people (as she believed the Bush administration was doing), it might be better on focusing locally on reducing terrorist attacks in our cities, because that would make us safer. This sentence was in a speech opposing Bush's war in Iraq.

I happen to agree with your sentiment that reducing civil liberties is not worth the illusion of safety, so I won't mock you excessively. But please, before you post, learn to read.

I posted in response to someone who apparently hates everything she says. With "That's downright unAmerican. Patriots have no need for civil liberties." I was sarcastically pointing out that since she wanted to keep our civil liberties, there must be something wrong with them. Context should have made that obvious.

But thank you for your condescending, douchebaggy riposte.

lennavan: TIKIMAN87: Lando Lincoln: TIKIMAN87: People who vote for this woman are f*cked in the head.

Because you don't like her?

The things this woman has said makes blood shoot from my ears.

Yeah no kidding. I couldn't believe she said we would have to pass the Health Care Reform before people knew what was in it. It's like she thought Americans wouldn't actually each carefully read the ~2000 pages. WTF, right?

Meanwhile, the 7000+ pages Holder has turned over to Congress isn't enough.

How about we just say that Pelosi and RON PAUL cancel each other out when it comes to crazy statements and just move on?

So now all those people saying "IMPEACH OBAMA" are automatically not racist

Is there a single "issue" the right has with Pelosi that doesn't stem from a complete misinterpretation, often deliberate?

I suspect that, as others have said, this is yet another Obama troll on the GOP.

He's done it with birth control, gay marriage, immigration and his masterpiece .... the birth certificate.

This will get them in a froth about transparency and/or gun control and ultimately he will "reluctantly" provide info that reveals some dirt on Bush and the GOP. Double bonus if the info shows Bush's actions supported gun control.

Obama and his staff are just smarter than the House. He is playing them like a piano.

I hope.

tcan: Poor Nancy, it's sad when dementia and partisanship meet.

lol sure Contard, your brain should of collapsed from the irony, but I know Republicans dont have any.

DrippinBalls: I'm only sorry someone, anyone, didn't shoot the worthless biatch in the head.

Show me on the doll where she touched you.

Gulper Eel: Coulda woulda shoulda. Nancy was all about letting the base go on with impeachment and war-crimes whargarbl until the Democrats grabbed the reins of power. And then? Apparently the war crimes weren't war crimes any more or something.

She did a great job making Newt Gingrich look like a paragon of integrity. When he and the Republicans wanted to impeach Clinton they went ahead and did it. You can argue with their reasoning and conclusions, but having reached the conclusion they did, the GOP didn't say "we think these are impeachable offenses BUT, well, Bubba's got a 60-percent approval rating and my guys on the Appropriations committee do like their defense pork..." They went ahead with it, lost the vote, and took their lumps in the '98 elections. Which is the way it's supposed to work.

This must be a posting from the Bizarro Universe where a serial adulterer like Gingrich gets to play the integrity card by pushing for a long and costly investigation and impeachment which polarized the country and Pelosi is a terrible human being for failing to do so.

radioshack: lincoln65: I haven't been following the F and F story because IDGAF it makes dems look bad, but obviously they screwed up and should have resolved this thing years ago.

Yeah, only 200 or so Mexicans and American law enforcement officials have been killed because of it. No reason to GAF. Dumbass.

Prior to Fast and Furious the drug cartels only could use spit wads and harsh language.

DrippinBalls: I'm only sorry someone, anyone, didn't shoot the worthless biatch in the head.



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cman: Cue letsseehowlowthevotesgo.png

Cant have a thread on dark against liberals, now can we?

Poor guy can only get 138 submissions through.

DrippinBalls: I'm only sorry someone, anyone, didn't shoot the worthless biatch in the head.

I know your shtick is to be a vile, disgusting bucket of scum but really...

Indeed, not trying to have criminal charges brought against people like Karl Rove is precisely why I sent my generous check for ten dollars to Cindy Sheehan. I think it's the only time I've ever donated to a campaign in a state that is not my own.

lennavan: The real point to make is Obama and his justice department could have opened an investigation into Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzalez and their use of torture. Talk about your trump cards, I wanna see Obama troll the GOP by starting that shiat.

I would be tempted to hitchhike to D.C. so I could jump around with a pair of pom-poms and chant "Go, Obama, go!"

radioshack: lincoln65: I haven't been following the F and F story because IDGAF it makes dems look bad, but obviously they screwed up and should have resolved this thing years ago.

Yeah, only 200 or so Mexicans and American law enforcement officials have been killed because of it. No reason to GAF. Dumbass.

Guns don't kill people.
I've been under the impression that there's no shortage of guns in mexican cartels, so what makes these so special?
Maybe there really is a gun shortage, that must be why the cartels prefer to assassinations by beheading.

Vlad_the_Inaner: tcan: Poor Nancy, it's sad when dementia and partisanship meet.

Not always.

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See, while they are not exactly happy, at least partisainship isn't crying.

Even I think that was well done. Congrats. today you made a conservative laugh.

C'mon California, you're supposed to be hip and edgy, why do you keep voting for this retarded witch? You and New York do not practice what you preach.

Coelacanth: Cythraul: For the charge of being Karl Rove. Isn't that enough?

Murdering 2.5 million dead innocent Iraq civilians (according to the 200 year old British medical journal, The Lancet)?

He shouldn't have farked all those boys when he was a coach at Penn State

archichris: EyeballKid: radioshack: Richard Armitage admitted it was he who leaked the information. Google "Richard Armitage Valerie Plame".

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On a related note, here is one of the many things you'll see in a GIS for "patsy."

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The Bush administration didn't know that Armitage had talked, or it wouldn't have taken years to point the finger, so it doesn't prove that they didn't leak it too.
"The primary source [...] was [...] Armitage". Who were the other sources?

Coelacanth: Cythraul: For the charge of being Karl Rove. Isn't that enough?

Murdering 2.5 million dead innocent Iraq civilians (according to the 200 year old British medical journal, The Lancet)?

He murdered 2.5 million dead Iraqis?

Protecting us from the Islamic zombie invasion is not a crime.

Gulper Eel: Having arrived at the conclusion that a president committed high crimes and misdemeanors, a member of Congress is supposed to do what...punt? An impeachment vote isn't a highway-appropriations bill. You don't get to fark around and stick your finger in the wind on it. What Gingrich and the Republicans were doing was NOT popular with the nation, but they went through with it using the system we have to deal with such things (and not the system we might wish we had). They didn't have the votes, they lost the vote, they got their asses handed to them that fall.

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The Republicans didn't go for the investigation and impeachment out of principle. They really thought they'd succeed in impeaching him. At first their plan was successful; Clinton did indeed become a lame duck whose every action was considered "Wagging the Dog" to distract from the investigation. However like any number of things they overplayed their hand, actually creating public sympathy for Clinton due to a series of overly shrill attacks, and eventually lost the vote as members of their own party balked at voting for Impeachment. They didn't lose out of maintaining integrity; they lost because they farked up due to their own overestimation of public outrage.

Pelosi knew impeachment was never an option, declined to take the advice of a minority inside of her own party who were pushing for it, and avoided shooting the party shooting itself in the foot by not making the same mistake as the GOP did over their debacle. If she had gone forward with Impeachment you'd be screaming about a partisan witchhunt to tear the country apart over Bush.

Gyrfalcon: IlGreven: Warlordtrooper: Revealing the identity of a CIA agent is TREASON.

digistil: Treason? I don't know about you, but that's a big one in my book.

pacified: Remember the last time a Republican used executive privilege it was to cover-up treason of outing a CIA agent.

Silly Farkers! It's only Treason when a librul does it!

It's only treason when it involves providing aid and comfort to an enemy. Being a dick is bad, but it's not treason.

You shut your treasonous librul mouth when you contradict Ann Coulter (blessed be her Adam's apple) like that!

archichris: You know what didnt happen? No one died.

Oh, if you want to talk about scandals where people died, we can talk about how the Bush administration lied to get our asses into Iraq.

Seriously, I get what you're driving at with Fast & Furious needing to be probed, since it was a major cock-up and all. But stop acting like the Bush admin were saints, because they were farking terrible.

HeartBurnKid: archichris: You know what didnt happen? No one died.

Oh, if you want to talk about scandals where people died, we can talk about how the Bush administration lied to get our asses into Iraq.

Seriously, I get what you're driving at with Fast & Furious needing to be probed, since it was a major cock-up and all. But stop acting like the Bush admin were saints, because they were farking terrible.

But were they working outside of the law?
Its not new that a war would be based on lies and misdirection. Almost all of them are.
The Public rarely knows or understands how important military actions are to keeping their nation current in the game of foreign policy.
The question is if it was a properly authorized action.

Since both parties voted for Iraq and Afghanistan, knowing how treacherous the call for war can be and knowing the risks that come with these endeavours, neither one wants to start a serious discussion on this subject. Especially not the Democrats and not in the age of their sovereignty ignoring drone strikes. Not with the Arab spring causing us to get involved in new fights faster than we can do the paperwork.
This would be a very bad time.

You can't throw someone in jail just because you don't like them and (while you're committing similar sins) don't want to explain WHY you don't like them.
What Pelosi said was irresponsible.

archichris: I suspect that we will see a number of civil suits brought by Mexican families who lost relatives to Fast and Furious firearms. The death toll is murky at best, but Brian Terry is a confirmed victim of the program.

Guns kill people.