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(CNN)   Sanford police chief retires for the greater good. The greater good   (cnn.com) divider line 104
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2012-06-21 08:53:59 AM
Shas'O Kais agrees with the decision.
 
2012-06-21 08:59:56 AM
I understand that it's common to retire/resign when something controversial happens on your watch, but is there really any wrongdoing whatsoever on his part?
 
2012-06-21 09:05:16 AM
...you big dummy.
 
2012-06-21 09:21:06 AM
Is this about P.I. Staker's freaking swan?

/dnrfta
 
2012-06-21 09:23:22 AM
Here comes the Fuzz.
 
2012-06-21 09:29:07 AM

nekom: I understand that it's common to retire/resign when something controversial happens on your watch, but is there really any wrongdoing whatsoever on his part?


Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.
 
2012-06-21 09:29:16 AM

nekom: I understand that it's common to retire/resign when something controversial happens on your watch, but is there really any wrongdoing whatsoever on his part?


Zimmerman has already been convicted in the court of Fark. That automatically makes this guy guilty of not doing his duty.
 
2012-06-21 09:30:24 AM
Mornin' Angle
 
2012-06-21 09:46:48 AM

BillCo: nekom: I understand that it's common to retire/resign when something controversial happens on your watch, but is there really any wrongdoing whatsoever on his part?

Zimmerman has already been convicted in the court of Fark. That automatically makes this guy guilty of not doing his duty.


For what it's worth I think Zimmerman is gonna convict HIMSELF long before he gets to a trial. perjury? hiding funds from the judge? c'mon man...that was beyond stupid!
 
2012-06-21 09:53:38 AM
Headline: Sanford police chief retires for the greater good.

FTFA: Sanford, Florida, Police Chief Bill Lee, who drew criticism for his department's actions in the Trayvon Martin case, was fired Wednesday.

I may be missing the reference, though.
 
2012-06-21 09:53:41 AM

cameroncrazy1984: nekom: I understand that it's common to retire/resign when something controversial happens on your watch, but is there really any wrongdoing whatsoever on his part?

Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.


You do realize that there was an investigation, the police wanted to charge Zimmerman, and the DA was the one who said no, right?

/notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-06-21 09:56:53 AM

nekom: I understand that it's common to retire/resign when something controversial happens on your watch, but is there really any wrongdoing whatsoever on his part?


He's lost the trust of the people he serves. I personally think that it's unjustified, but it's a fact nonetheless. The media shiatstorm and the false framing of the facts created an environment where the department, and the Chief, were irreversibly demonized. He pretty much had to go once the marches started.
 
2012-06-21 10:21:07 AM
kencourse.com
 
2012-06-21 10:27:10 AM
fantasyflightgames.com

The greater good!

/Istvaanian for life!
 
2012-06-21 11:01:51 AM
Good. He should be fired. He botched the whole investigation the way his buddies botched the Jerry Sandusky case. Nothing but cover-ups.
 
2012-06-21 11:03:30 AM

TeddyBallGame: [kencourse.com image 640x480]


Came here for the Hot Fuzz reference...leaving satisfied.
 
2012-06-21 11:10:43 AM

slayer199: TeddyBallGame: [kencourse.com image 640x480]

Came here for the Hot Fuzz reference...leaving satisfied.


And yet having apparently missed the 3 Hot Fuzz references before that, and quite possibly the one in the headline ;)
 
2012-06-21 11:22:43 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: And yet having apparently missed the 3 Hot Fuzz references before that, and quite possibly the one in the headline ;)


I got the reference...I was specifically looking for that image. :P
 
2012-06-21 11:49:13 AM
Bloody hoodies...
 
2012-06-21 11:49:23 AM
I doubt this will get the 600 comments a Trayvon thread deserves. Subby should have put "Zimmerman" or "Trayvon" in the headline.

/TF expiring.
//has sad
 
2012-06-21 12:17:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.


But he did investigate, and came to the conclusion that there was no evidence to refute Zimmerman's side of the story. Not to say that his side is 100% true, but lacking any evidence to the contrary, what was he supposed to do?
 
2012-06-21 12:31:43 PM

nekom: cameroncrazy1984: Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.

But he did investigate, and came to the conclusion that there was no evidence to refute Zimmerman's side of the story. Not to say that his side is 100% true, but lacking any evidence to the contrary, what was he supposed to do?


i think we alL trY to fiNd answers in Challenging situations like tHis one.
 
2012-06-21 12:47:01 PM
I don't get it. Didn't he try to resign and they didn't let him? Then a month later they fire him?
 
2012-06-21 12:48:04 PM

nekom: cameroncrazy1984: Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.

But he did investigate, and came to the conclusion that there was no evidence to refute Zimmerman's side of the story. Not to say that his side is 100% true, but lacking any evidence to the contrary, what was he supposed to do?


railroad him, like the police normally do to hispanic men.
 
2012-06-21 12:52:56 PM
I'm calling it now. He retired early because he doesn't want to be blamed for the mishandling of the upcoming Zimmerman aquittal riots.
 
2012-06-21 12:55:48 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.


ARE YOU SERIOUS?


No investigation? Then what are all the videos, interviews, & voice stress test being released all about?


Looks like they investigated it pretty damn hard.
 
2012-06-21 12:58:27 PM

Weaver95: For what it's worth I think Zimmerman is gonna convict HIMSELF long before he gets to a trial. perjury? hiding funds from the judge? c'mon man...that was beyond stupid!


*Hiding funds

*Speaking to your wife, in code, about funds you lied about

*Lying about a second passport

*Lying to Trayvon Martin's parent that you "thought he was the same age as me" when in the police report you described him as a teenager

*Lying to the police that you'd never been arrested before (he was)

*Lying to the police that you'd never been in a pre-trial diversion program


Dude's got a serious credibility problem.
 
2012-06-21 12:59:13 PM
I just watched the video of the next day, and I have to say, it completely made me do a 180 on the situation. Obviously, I'd like to hear what the witnesses say, and I'm sure Zimmerman is leaving out whatever he said to provoke Trayvon into punching and beating him, but if he really had him on the ground and when he saw the gun said, "you're going to die tonight," I feel like the single shot that then killed him is pretty justified. If that story is true, I would do the exact same thing, except I don't own a gun.
 
2012-06-21 12:59:32 PM
ahhh...

I see now why the city manager fired him

bloomfieldreport.com
 
2012-06-21 01:04:04 PM

justtray: I just watched the video of the next day, and I have to say, it completely made me do a 180 on the situation. Obviously, I'd like to hear what the witnesses say, and I'm sure Zimmerman is leaving out whatever he said to provoke Trayvon into punching and beating him, but if he really had him on the ground and when he saw the gun said, "you're going to die tonight," I feel like the single shot that then killed him is pretty justified. If that story is true, I would do the exact same thing, except I don't own a gun.


What evidence do we have of that happening other than the word of the guy who stands to go to prison for shooting him?

Sorry, but if you chase a guy down and shoot him, I'm going to require a higher standard of evidence than "the shooter says the guy he killed said he was going to kill him."
 
2012-06-21 01:05:12 PM

nekom: cameroncrazy1984: Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.

But he did investigate, and came to the conclusion that there was no evidence to refute Zimmerman's side of the story. Not to say that his side is 100% true, but lacking any evidence to the contrary, what was he supposed to do?


Yes he did investigate, and determined that a guy who calls 911 and tells the operator he's following a young black kid, then loses him, then finds and shoots him was 'standing his ground'.

That right there is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The definition of stand is to stop or remain motionless on your feet. How do you follow someone, lose them, (documented on the 911 call) then find them again and shoot them, and claim you were just standing your ground, defending yourself? How dumb does the cop have to be to say, "Oh, ya stalking and confronting someone is defensive, you're free to go."

If you can't fire a cop for incompetence, what the hell can you fire one for?
 
2012-06-21 01:09:48 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Yes he did investigate, and determined that a guy who calls 911 and tells the operator he's following a young black kid, then loses him, then finds and shoots him was 'standing his ground'.


I like how you left out that little part of where the guy was attacked by the young black kid who apparently reached for his gun too


selective, very selective.
 
2012-06-21 01:10:27 PM

Need_MindBleach: justtray: I just watched the video of the next day, and I have to say, it completely made me do a 180 on the situation. Obviously, I'd like to hear what the witnesses say, and I'm sure Zimmerman is leaving out whatever he said to provoke Trayvon into punching and beating him, but if he really had him on the ground and when he saw the gun said, "you're going to die tonight," I feel like the single shot that then killed him is pretty justified. If that story is true, I would do the exact same thing, except I don't own a gun.

What evidence do we have of that happening other than the word of the guy who stands to go to prison for shooting him?

Sorry, but if you chase a guy down and shoot him, I'm going to require a higher standard of evidence than "the shooter says the guy he killed said he was going to kill him."


What evidence do we have of anything else happening?

It was the day after. I'm not an expert, but I did play a lot of LA Noire, and that guy was either the best coached liar ever, or he at least believes what he says. (Granted it seemed like he was omitting details)
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-21 01:12:18 PM

nekom: I understand that it's common to retire/resign when something controversial happens on your watch, but is there really any wrongdoing whatsoever on his part?


Not that I know of, but the controversy would be attached to him for years regardless. If you look at all the GED's at law that follow you'll see what I mean.
 
2012-06-21 01:13:53 PM

vegasj: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Yes he did investigate, and determined that a guy who calls 911 and tells the operator he's following a young black kid, then loses him, then finds and shoots him was 'standing his ground'.

I like how you left out that little part of where the guy was attacked by the young black kid who apparently reached for his gun too


selective, very selective.


He didn't say in the day after interview recreation that he reached for his gun. He said, "my jacket came up [as he was beating me] and he appeared to notice the gun and said, "you're going to die tonight," at which point he pulled the gun at shot him once." (paraphrasing)
 
2012-06-21 01:17:11 PM
No luck finding them vigilantes, then?

/firing 2 guns whilst jumping through the air
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-06-21 01:18:17 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: nekom: cameroncrazy1984: Not investigating the shooting of a young black kid comes to mind.

But he did investigate, and came to the conclusion that there was no evidence to refute Zimmerman's side of the story. Not to say that his side is 100% true, but lacking any evidence to the contrary, what was he supposed to do?

Yes he did investigate, and determined that a guy who calls 911 and tells the operator he's following a young black kid, then loses him, then finds and shoots him was 'standing his ground'.

That right there is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The definition of stand is to stop or remain motionless on your feet. How do you follow someone, lose them, (documented on the 911 call) then find them again and shoot them, and claim you were just standing your ground, defending yourself? How dumb does the cop have to be to say, "Oh, ya stalking and confronting someone is defensive, you're free to go."

If you can't fire a cop for incompetence, what the hell can you fire one for?


Yes, it doesn't matter what the law actually says. People in the press call it "stand your ground" and some guy on the internet thinks you have to be motionless to be standing so I am sure they judge will disregard the law and precedent, and use your opinion to instruct the jury.
 
2012-06-21 01:41:34 PM

9beers: I don't think the chief is going to be too sad to be moving on. Would you want to be the guy in charge after Zimmerman is acquitted?


good point.

I'd hate to be in charge when the riots & looting break out.

Hell, thats not only going to happen in Sanford, it will be everywhere.
 
2012-06-21 01:42:28 PM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: That right there is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The definition of stand is to stop or remain motionless on your feet. How do you follow someone, lose them, (documented on the 911 call) then find them again and shoot them, and claim you were just standing your ground, defending yourself? How dumb does the cop have to be to say, "Oh, ya stalking and confronting someone is defensive, you're free to go."

If you can't fire a cop for incompetence, what the hell can you fire one for?


This has nothing to do with Florida's `Stand your ground' law. The fact is he claims that (whatever happened before) Martin was on top of him, and he feared for his life. All he has to do is convince a jury of that. I'm not saying it's ethically right, but legally I believe Zimmerman did nothing wrong.
 
2012-06-21 01:43:57 PM
crusty jugglers....
 
2012-06-21 01:45:14 PM

vegasj: 9beers: I don't think the chief is going to be too sad to be moving on. Would you want to be the guy in charge after Zimmerman is acquitted?

good point.

I'd hate to be in charge when the riots & looting break out.

Hell, thats not only going to happen in Sanford, it will be everywhere.


Really? I could see Sanford, LA and Baltimore. No other places. MAYBE Chicago.
 
2012-06-21 01:45:53 PM
You guys are ruining a perfectly good Hot Fuzz thread.

/pub?
 
2012-06-21 01:47:27 PM
Well this should help out with the hoodie problem.

/and that living statue
 
2012-06-21 01:48:17 PM
farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2012-06-21 01:50:18 PM
www.nuklearpower.com
 
2012-06-21 01:51:10 PM
relliott4.files.wordpress.com
File Photo
 
2012-06-21 02:14:50 PM
Some of the witnesses:

lapalmaisland.sheilacrosby.com

farm2.static.flickr.com

2.bp.blogspot.com

/Crusty Jugglers
 
2012-06-21 02:17:50 PM

TeddyBallGame: [kencourse.com image 640x480]


I made that :D - you're welcome. Glad it's still making the rounds.
 
2012-06-21 02:18:19 PM

vegasj: 9beers: I don't think the chief is going to be too sad to be moving on. Would you want to be the guy in charge after Zimmerman is acquitted?

good point.

I'd hate to be in charge when the riots & looting break out.

Hell, thats not only going to happen in Sanford, it will be everywhere.


There will be no riots.
 
2012-06-21 02:19:48 PM

ladyfortuna: TeddyBallGame: [kencourse.com image 640x480]

I made that :D - you're welcome. Glad it's still making the rounds.


shiat seriously!? You just made it to my favorites list my friend. For the great good of all of course.
 
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