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2012-06-21 01:36:02 AM
I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.
 
2012-06-21 02:09:46 AM

Dejah: I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.


As many of my CS professors have claimed, why reinvent the wheel?
 
2012-06-21 03:08:28 AM
Did google hire Drew to do their haggling for them?
 
2012-06-21 03:41:38 AM

Dejah: I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.


YES
BUT
when you reuse someone ELSE's code, you have to PAY THEM FOR IT ....
 
2012-06-21 06:41:15 AM
Good. I felt like Oracle bought Sun just so that they could eventually sue Google and collect royalties from Android.
 
2012-06-21 06:51:28 AM
No, this was done just to speed up Oracle's appeal. It's not Oracle capitulating.
 
2012-06-21 07:02:38 AM
10 PRINT "Screw you Larry Ellison!"
20 GOTO 10
 
2012-06-21 07:23:56 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Did google hire Drew to do their haggling for them?


No. If they had, the response would have been "jack shiat and go fark yourself."
 
2012-06-21 07:33:04 AM
Good. Now Oracle/Sun can get back to pushing 46 updates a day for Java.
 
2012-06-21 07:34:05 AM
Headline reminds me of :

emma-nation.com
 
2012-06-21 07:39:33 AM

Truncks1: Good. I felt like Oracle bought Sun just so that they could eventually sue Google and collect royalties from Android.


There's a reason you felt like that...
 
2012-06-21 07:49:28 AM

Dejah: I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.


If you can find it, look up the judges comments where he biatchslapped Oracle's counsel over the Range Check function. Ridiculous and clearly just a mistake over licensing.

I honestly have no idea why Oracle are so huge. None of their stuff ever seems much good, and costs a fortune.
 
2012-06-21 08:07:28 AM

farkeruk: Dejah: I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.

If you can find it, look up the judges comments where he biatchslapped Oracle's counsel over the Range Check function. Ridiculous and clearly just a mistake over licensing.

I honestly have no idea why Oracle are so huge. None of their stuff ever seems much good, and costs a fortune.


It's their databases, which are hot shiat because... no clue, honestly.

If a Farker knows what's up with these Oracle databases, your answer will be accepted in the form of MySQL is not ACID Compliant and MongoDB is Web Scale.

Cause it's probably the only way I'll sit through an actual discussion of databases.
 
2012-06-21 08:29:16 AM

andrewagill: It's their databases, which are hot shiat because... no clue, honestly.

If a Farker knows what's up with these Oracle databases, your answer will be accepted in the form of MySQL is not ACID Compliant and MongoDB is Web Scale.

Cause it's probably the only way I'll sit through an actual discussion of databases.


Actually, I was thinking more like SQL Server (I'll normally join in the 2 minute Microsoft hate, but SQL Server is solid). I have heard Oracle has better clustering, but it seems like you pay a big price.

MongoDB? It disturbs me to see people white knighting it (or other NoSQL) for serious, transactional systems. There's some good uses for it (I know a company that runs an archive DB on it) but people need to look at it more as another tool in the box rather than a revolution.
 
2012-06-21 08:37:37 AM
My brain just hiccuped and i read that Facebooks share price had dropped to 0$. And i laughed a mighty laugh, straight from the stomach.

Then i re-read, and was all "meh"
 
2012-06-21 09:02:56 AM

farkeruk: andrewagill: It's their databases, which are hot shiat because... no clue, honestly.

If a Farker knows what's up with these Oracle databases, your answer will be accepted in the form of MySQL is not ACID Compliant and MongoDB is Web Scale.

Cause it's probably the only way I'll sit through an actual discussion of databases.

Actually, I was thinking more like SQL Server (I'll normally join in the 2 minute Microsoft hate, but SQL Server is solid). I have heard Oracle has better clustering, but it seems like you pay a big price.

MongoDB? It disturbs me to see people white knighting it (or other NoSQL) for serious, transactional systems. There's some good uses for it (I know a company that runs an archive DB on it) but people need to look at it more as another tool in the box rather than a revolution.


D--did you click the link? An excerpt:

MongoDB does have some impressive benchmarks, but they do some interesting things to get those numbers. For example, when you write to MongoDB, you don't actually write anything. You stage your data to be written at a later time. If there's a problem writing your data, you're farked. Does that sound like a good design to you?

If that's what they need to do to get those kickass benchmarks, then it's a great design.

..... If you were stupid enough to totally ignore durability just to get benchmarks, I suggest you pipe your data to /dev/null. It will be very fast.

If /dev/null is fast in web scale I will use it. Is it web scale?

[later]

Now I've contracted hemorragic e-coli from cleaning cow stalls and I'm bleeding out my asshole. I'll be dead soon, but that is a welcome relief. I will never have to witness the collapse of the world economy because NoSQL radicals talked financial institutions into abandoning perfectly good datastores because they didn't support distributed farking map/reduce.
 
2012-06-21 09:17:23 AM

andrewagill: farkeruk: Dejah: I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.

If you can find it, look up the judges comments where he biatchslapped Oracle's counsel over the Range Check function. Ridiculous and clearly just a mistake over licensing.

I honestly have no idea why Oracle are so huge. None of their stuff ever seems much good, and costs a fortune.

It's their databases, which are hot shiat because... no clue, honestly.

If a Farker knows what's up with these Oracle databases, your answer will be accepted in the form of MySQL is not ACID Compliant and MongoDB is Web Scale.

Cause it's probably the only way I'll sit through an actual discussion of databases.


Oracle is the best regarded database because there are a lot of people who equate expensive with good. Oracle is extremely configurable, but requires constant maintenance from a DBA to keep it properly updated and tuned. It also runs on just about any hardware/OS combination you care to name. However, if you want a relatively simple database, it's a poor choice; you'll still need someone with some DBA skills to keep it working properly. Effectively, it's a jobs program for DBAs.

And MySQL isn't ACID compliant and MongoDB has a stupid name.
 
2012-06-21 09:22:25 AM
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How about a 19? Does 19 work for you?
 
2012-06-21 09:30:12 AM

Truncks1: Good. I felt like Oracle bought Sun just so that they could eventually sue Google and collect royalties from Android.


As somebody who was laid off from Sun shortly after the Oracle buyout, I couldn't agree more.

/douchebags
 
2012-06-21 09:36:44 AM
img6.imageshack.us

"I'm going to write a figure on this piece of paper. It's not quite as large as the last one, but I think you'll find it fair."
 
2012-06-21 09:38:19 AM

Ed Finnerty: Good. Now Oracle/Sun can get back to pushing 46 updates a day for Java.


Don't forget the included search toolbar for your browser, OpenOffice download, restoring the useless control panel to the system tray, and other bonus goodies!
 
2012-06-21 09:38:57 AM
Good, maybe Oracle can make host additions for Windows Me in VirtualBox now!!
 
2012-06-21 09:41:13 AM

czetie: Ed Finnerty: Good. Now Oracle/Sun can get back to pushing 46 updates a day for Java.

Don't forget the included search toolbar for your browser, OpenOffice download, restoring the useless control panel to the system tray, and other bonus goodies!


JAVA RUNS ON 3 BILLION DEVICES
JAVA RUNS ON 3 BILLION DEVICES
JAVA RUNS ON 3 BILLION DEVICES
JAVA RUNS ON 3 BILLION DEVICES
JAVA RUNS ON 3 BILLION DEVICES
JAVA RUNS ON 3 BILLION DEVICES
 
2012-06-21 09:41:43 AM
Larry Ellison retreats to his volcanic island lair to plot his next move.

Probably a demand for ONE BILLION DOLLARS.
 
2012-06-21 09:44:48 AM
Ellison gives a bad name to yatch yacth yahting sailing.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-21 09:47:52 AM
"That price is non-negotiable. What's in that envelope is for my peace of mind. My peace of mind is worth that much. Not one penny more, not one penny more."

"He must have thought it was white boy day."
 
2012-06-21 10:01:34 AM

andrewagill: MongoDB does have some impressive benchmarks, but they do some interesting things to get those numbers. For example, when you write to MongoDB, you don't actually write anything. You stage your data to be written at a later time. If there's a problem writing your data, you're farked. Does that sound like a good design to you?


Like I say, it depends what you're doing. If I have a website that collects up pictures of hot blonde babes from other websites, do I need ACID compliance? I might check if a picture is in my list and if not, store it. Let's say it fails. Worst case? It's not there that day, but the spider will store it the next day. It's not like I have an SLA where people will call up asking where the hell the new Hayden Panetierre shots from some movie premiere are.

Would I use MongoDB for an e-commerce system. Hell, farking no.
 
2012-06-21 10:21:36 AM

RexTalionis: No, this was done just to speed up Oracle's appeal. It's not Oracle capitulating.


Or by stopping a direct ruling against, it prevents Google for countersuing for court costs, because they technically didn't "lose" the case.
 
2012-06-21 10:28:04 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Did google hire Drew to do their haggling for them?


Only if they were also told to go f*ck themselves.
 
2012-06-21 10:29:41 AM

Dejah: I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.


It is a copyright violation. They shouldn't have cribbed, but it's a very minor thing in the overall picture.
 
2012-06-21 10:54:54 AM

Loren: It is a copyright violation. They shouldn't have cribbed, but it's a very minor thing in the overall picture.


The judge's interpretation was that it had been copied across by accident. This was code the developer had originally written while he was working for Sun, that had been open sourced. So, it was open source, owned by Oracle, could be copied, but not into Android under the license.

But how many developers would bother taking action if someone took 12 lines of code from their blog? Or hacked a few lines of Javascript out? I couldn't care less, frankly. But I think these cases are more for show. Remember the SCO vs IBM case? My boss wouldn't allow Linux to be used because of that and it took a while to talk him around. Some Oracle-friendly publications won't hesitate to mention that Google breached Oracle's copyright now.
 
2012-06-21 12:10:57 PM

farkeruk: There's some good uses for it (I know a company that runs an archive DB on it) but people need to look at it more as another tool in the box rather than a revolution.


... hence the classification as "Not Only SQL"?
 
2012-06-21 01:58:54 PM
oracle and sql server pay my bills.

folks that state that oracle is hard to manage are right and wrong.

its different to manage, at first. cause it' not a splash GUI and you need to know actual commands.

setup memory, +ASM, and some routine jobs, and it will run itself for a LONG time.

After finishing a 4 week oncall stint with 110 oracle servers, and over 1000 sql databases, sql was the one that kept paging me with stupid stuff.
 
2012-06-21 03:13:11 PM
Can't someone at Google sue Oracle for wasting people time? Opportunity cost of CEO time, witness time, company legal cost, yadda yadda yadda.
 
2012-06-21 04:40:36 PM
Well, at least Larry Ellison has a shiny new island that he can go to for a good cry.
 
2012-06-21 05:14:50 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Did google hire Drew to do their haggling for them?


And I believe his actual quote was:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-21 06:57:38 PM

MisterBill: andrewagill: farkeruk: Dejah: I think anyone who writes a generic subroutine from scratch without cribbing should be sued for stupidity. Code re-use is at the heart of the object model.

If you can find it, look up the judges comments where he biatchslapped Oracle's counsel over the Range Check function. Ridiculous and clearly just a mistake over licensing.

I honestly have no idea why Oracle are so huge. None of their stuff ever seems much good, and costs a fortune.

It's their databases, which are hot shiat because... no clue, honestly.

If a Farker knows what's up with these Oracle databases, your answer will be accepted in the form of MySQL is not ACID Compliant and MongoDB is Web Scale.

Cause it's probably the only way I'll sit through an actual discussion of databases.

Oracle is the best regarded database because there are a lot of people who equate expensive with good. Oracle is extremely configurable, but requires constant maintenance from a DBA to keep it properly updated and tuned. It also runs on just about any hardware/OS combination you care to name. However, if you want a relatively simple database, it's a poor choice; you'll still need someone with some DBA skills to keep it working properly. Effectively, it's a jobs program for DBAs.

And MySQL isn't ACID compliant and MongoDB has a stupid name.


*ahem*
 
2012-06-21 08:25:07 PM

andrewagill: It's their databases, which are hot shiat because... no clue, honestly.


I've heard that Oracle scales better on huge datasets than most of the others. Which means that you can avoid going to a Hadoop cluster for longer. Combine it with a certain amount of 'expensive=good' mindset and people buy it.
 
2012-06-21 10:16:54 PM
Came for Simpsons reference, leaving impressed.
 
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