M-G: ronaprhys: Yeah - so you do know that modern translations spend lots of time searching for the earliest versions and making sure they're as faithful to the original as possible. On top of that, many folks who really want to study the Bible will get an Interlinear Bible that actually includes the Greek or Hebrew word, as well as a number assigned to that specific word, so they can track usage of that word anywhere else in the Bible? This assumes that they don't bother to learn Greek or Hebrew (which, to be fair, I think few do). Couple that Interlinear with a concordance and much actual research can be done.

1) Many folks? What percentage of Christians actually go that in-depth?

2) Please provide the Venn diagram showing said Christians and those who are vocal about the Bible being the inerrant word of God.

/...my mom was a religious fundamentalist. Plus, she didn't have a mouth. It's an unusual combination.
//Bender

This... A vocal christian in my office made a comment about adam and eve in the garden and the expulsion. At which point I mentioned the "they" and "them" that are mentioned that pretty much states that there were other people outside the garden. His response "oh, I never read the Bible."
Really? It's your book, and you don't know what it says? That's the more common thing I run into with "christians"

this thread needs moar xian hate

Study: No one ever claimed that homosexual parents = guaranteed failure of keeping offspring alive, but that's a lovely straw man you've made there subby, maybe if you toss a match at it you can beat it?

here's a match for ya:

Study: Murderers are known to pay their taxes and therefore make decent citizens.

/i haz an argument

Pokey.Clyde: Because all single moms are sluts with a revolving door to their bedroom?

AbbeySomeone: But, Jesus?

that should about cover it

did i miss anything?

i was just thinking about lesbians the other day when i was fapping.. well after i got done fapping to some smoking hot lesbians that is. Gay dudes are gross. But the sight of a couple lipstick lezzies is beautiful. And it's not gay.. it's more like 'something to do on Tuesday'

The point being; Is it that men have been surpressing women for all these years because men have instinctively known, and been jealous of, the fact that carpet munching is universally awesome? It sure does seem like women kissing women has taken a foothold in our cultural context quite quickly, historically speaking. It's like it's been there the whole time, and the... wait for it....

(pussy)cat has been let out of the to bag!

*insert geek snort here*

anywho... my two cents on clean carpets. Long live socially-acceptable, consequence-free, girl on girl action!

I know Lesbian moms and Gay dads. Their kids seem pretty normal to me with the usual assortment of wacky "I'm a kid" kind of problems. I've known a lot of people from broken homes who are a lot more farked up than those kids. Then again, some people from broken homes are just fine and some people who'se parents should have devorced for the sake of the kids but didn't, etc. The world is a messy place and one's ability to be calm and rational in the face of it is what helps to be a good parent.

Plus, some lesbians are hot. Weird-vibe hot, but none the less...

Overfiend: This isn't surprising. Homosexuals can be as good (or bad) as other parents.

The most important thing a child needs is love. Love I say!

I'm gonna hafta disagree. The most important things a child needs is guidance, love and material support. Giving too much or too little of any one of these seems to be asking for trouble.

For once a subster did not lie about the cuteness factor. So often I cringe as I click the link.

//of course kids raised by gay or lesbian parents are doing fine. As a group they rank far ahead of their breeder counterparts in many factors that contribute to a strong homelife (finances, education) while trailing in stats like crime and domestic violence

Glockenspiel Hero:

/One of the women who works for me is gay
//Has two young boys
///The universe has a sense of humor.

My sister's ex partner has a boy and a girl, the girl is straight the boy is gay. I have long joked about the irony of 2 kids growing up in a lesbian household both grow up liking dick.

Digitalstrange: My nephew is doing pretty damn well (he's 14) being raised by my lesbian sister. She could teach him more about sports than his dad anyway. Of the 2 of them I'd have guessed his dad was the one who would switch sides.

My mothers "partner" was a scratch golfer and absolutely top notch softball player (go figure). She tried but I got my dad's mad skillz. I can golf a 300 game and bowl in the 30's.

spacelord321: Overfiend: This isn't surprising. Homosexuals can be as good (or bad) as other parents.

The most important thing a child needs is love. Love I say!

I'm gonna hafta disagree. The most important things a child needs is guidance, love and material support. Giving too much or too little of any one of these seems to be asking for trouble.

You might be underestimating the importance of a good smack every now and then.

Disclaimer: I was never hit as a kid. I just don't like kids.

DrunkenBob: //LGBT manipulates its members more thoroughly than Mormons

Dude, Wait... What?

As someone who a) grew up in a mormon household, b) could potentially be counted as any of the letters in LGBT, depending on who you ask, you're full of crap.

The mormons are a strict, controlling, patriarchal attempt to blend christianity and freemasonry. They have strictly controlled, revisionist doctrine, and exercise an insane amount of control through standardized temple "interviews", yearly accounting of your income for tithing purposes, and a specifically proscribed set of lessons, each taught more or less to the same class, on the same week, in every ward (chapel) in the country. As a class, the mormons control most of the business and government in the state of utah, and were largely responsible for the funding and passing of anti-gay legislation in several states, as well as the current GOP presidential hopeful.

The LGBT "community" is a loose association of people who, generally speaking, are sexually attracted to the same sex, or break certain societal gender norms. We work to build families, protect the people we love, and avoid institutionalized discrimination.

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DrunkenBob: //LGBT manipulates its members more thoroughly than Mormons

Dude, Wait... What?

As someone who a) grew up in a mormon household, b) could potentially be counted as any of the letters in LGBT, depending on who you ask, you're full of crap.

The mormons are a strict, controlling, patriarchal attempt to blend christianity and freemasonry. They have strictly controlled, revisionist doctrine, and exercise an insane amount of control through standardized temple "interviews", yearly accounting of your income for tithing purposes, and a specifically proscribed set of lessons, each taught more or less to the same class, on the same week, in every ward (chapel) in the country. As a class, the mormons control most of the business and government in the state of utah, and were largely responsible for the funding and passing of anti-gay legislation in several states, as well as the current GOP presidential hopeful.

The LGBT "community" is a loose association of people who, generally speaking, are sexually attracted to the same sex, or break certain societal gender norms. We work to build families, protect the people we love, and avoid institutionalized discrimination.



I bet you don't even see the humor in your post.
Probably because you're a lesbian.

FirstNationalBastard: Wait, so people were saying that lesbian moms might do damage to children because the children wouldn't have any male role models in their lives, but they didn't mention or think about single mothers who would also provide a child with no male role models other than a steady stream of "uncles" who like to sleep over?

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Yea but dose moms ain't queeah, so it's totally diff'rent, y'know?

Yeah, it's a pretty stupid argument.

That paper was held up by some conservatives as an argument against gay marriage - Maggie Gallagher, founder of the National Organization for Marriage, said it showed that "the intact, married biological family, a mom and a dad" was the "gold standard" for raising kids. But if the male-role-model study is accurate, a mom and a mom may be just as good.

So then campaign to outlaw divorce, you ignorant pain in the ass. When you've got straight people to do what you want, then try to be a domineering control freak over the private lives of discriminated against minorities. Because, lemme tell ya, they're a lot harder to control.

spacelord321: Overfiend: This isn't surprising. Homosexuals can be as good (or bad) as other parents.

The most important thing a child needs is love. Love I say!

I'm gonna hafta disagree. The most important things a child needs is guidance, love and material support. Giving too much or too little of any one of these seems to be asking for trouble.

Do you have kids? Just curious

Kell Bartok: [s3-ec.buzzfed.com image 500x336]

/FILE PHOTO

You know what really bothers me about that picture?

Those sunglasses...yech.

jso2897: For a small thread, this one has certainly become a trainwreck of imbecility.

Meh. This is pretty mild. Can you imagine if they were Jewish lesbians? Guess it may have something to do with how invested you are in the topic. To my eyes there seems to be three types of imbiciles here:

The imbiciles.

The imbiciles that argue with them.

The imbiciles that watch it all with glee!

Gulper Eel: Might this be more a factor of the communities lesbian couples live in than anything else?

It's a hell of a lot easier to find good role models of all kinds in an upscale lesbian-friendly place like Northampton as opposed to pits like Springfield or Holyoke right down I-91.

I reject your theory. While community unquestionably plays an important role in a child's upbringing, the notion that lesbian communities are a primary or even leading factor in the success of their children's upbringing is offensive on its face, for suggesting that parents would require that in order to be effective parents.

I've known some of these kids, from all over. It shouldn't make any difference where you grow up or who your parents know, and for good parents it doesn't.

spacelord321: jso2897: For a small thread, this one has certainly become a trainwreck of imbecility.

Meh. This is pretty mild. Can you imagine if they were Jewish lesbians? Guess it may have something to do with how invested you are in the topic. To my eyes there seems to be three types of imbiciles here:

The imbiciles.

The imbiciles that argue with them.

The imbiciles that watch it all with glee!

That pretty much describes every Internet forum, does it not?

sp86: Overfiend: This isn't surprising. Homosexuals can be as good (or bad) as other parents.

The most important thing a child needs is love. Love I say!

Food is good, too.

I think oxygen helps, but that's just how I was brought up so maybe I'm biased.

Get it through your heads, men. You're not needed.

DrunkenBob: FirstNationalBastard: Wait, so people were saying that lesbian moms might do damage to children because the children wouldn't have any male role models in their lives, but they didn't mention or think about single mothers who would also provide a child with no male role models other than a steady stream of "uncles" who like to sleep over?

Lesbian mothers have no uncles to sleep over. That uncle provides invaluable masculine influence to the children. Sure, they're in small doses, but it makes all the difference.

/Lesbians bully their children into putting forth a good front
//LGBT manipulates its members more thoroughly than Mormons

Nice troll.

You haven't convinced me that you believe what you posted here.

spentmiles: I would not let either of my daughters spend the night at a friend's house whose "parents" were lesbians. Most sleepovers involve playing dress-up, putting on copious amounts of makeup, painting each others' toes, and all that kind of stuff. It's all innocent and fun until sexual attraction is forced into the scenario. I would go into murder-mode if I found out that some creepy step-father was painting my daughter's toes. That just isn't right and indicates to me that the guy has pedophile tendencies. Lesbians are sexually attracted to women, therefore they're experiencing the same prurient urges when they interact with young women as they do with their lesbian cohorts. I'm sorry if I'm behind the times, but I don't want my daughter to have to deal with the sexual advances of a person in power at this young stage in her life.

You are an idiot.

I take it you would let your daughters spend the night in the house of the parents of a married couple, right? What if the man in that couple was a creep? That is probably more likely than the lesbian couple being a problem.

But you are really too stupid to see that, aren't you?!?

spacelord321: jso2897: For a small thread, this one has certainly become a trainwreck of imbecility.

Meh. This is pretty mild. Can you imagine if they were Jewish lesbians? Guess it may have something to do with how invested you are in the topic. To my eyes there seems to be three types of imbiciles here:

The imbiciles.

The imbiciles that argue with them.

The imbiciles that watch it all with glee!

And, of course, the imbeciles who can't spell "imbecile".

crab66: fastfxr: I didn't have a dad for many of my formative years and it affected me greatly. Once puberty hit, I over-compensated by perfecting drinking, fighting, and womanizing.

You can't tell me the kid won't have issues...but he'll be damn good at picking out shoes!

Don't blame being a jackass on not having a dad. Look in the mirror if you want to know who is responsible.

He did. He said he overcompensated. That was explaining that the actions were his own.

Whats your reason for being a jackass?

spentmiles: I would not let either of my daughters spend the night at a friend's house whose "parents" were lesbians. Most sleepovers involve playing dress-up, putting on copious amounts of makeup, painting each others' toes, and all that kind of stuff. It's all innocent and fun until sexual attraction is forced into the scenario. I would go into murder-mode if I found out that some creepy step-father was painting my daughter's toes. That just isn't right and indicates to me that the guy has pedophile tendencies. Lesbians are sexually attracted to women, therefore they're experiencing the same prurient urges when they interact with young women as they do with their lesbian cohorts. I'm sorry if I'm behind the times, but I don't want my daughter to have to deal with the sexual advances of a person in power at this young stage in her life.

Troll / moran / loser -- it's all the same to me at this point, and they all go into the same chopper. Useless people are useless.

I'm more man than you'll ever be---and more woman than you'll ever get.

One ignorant (I knew that) single mom (I didn't know that at the time) I knew never talked to me again after I replied to her snottily asking if my kid being raised by two moms was bad for him by talking about how the studies show two parents are better than one.
It started something like this:
"Of course he's affected by having two parents! Almost no one else he knows his age has two parents, having two parents instead of one is often the best case scenario, even when it's a blended family. When I'm not at my best, I have a backup. A single parent probably doesn't have that, unless they live with a grandmother or something, but we've got thousands of years of kids being raised by multigenerational families of women while dads are off at war and they all came out okay, so it seems to be all about the NUMBER of parents, a kid with two competent parents are always better off than a kid with one competent parent, and at least the kid with two is likely to have one out of two who can parent..."

"But...But...Who will teach him to shave?"

I did, by the way. I saw uncles and granddad do it enough times, and he had plenty of male friends. It's not rocket surgery.

spentmiles: Lesbians are sexually attracted to women, therefore they're experiencing the same prurient urges when they interact with young women as they do with their lesbian cohorts. I'm sorry if I'm behind the times, but I don't want my daughter to have to deal with the sexual advances of a person in power at this young stage in her life.

So your kids can't sleep over at any house where there's an adult of the opposite sex? Divorced single mothers only? What about single bisexual parents? They should never be around anyone?

There's a big difference between pedophilia and homosexuality. Most child molesters are straight.

Oh, and my son is pretty much not doing very well right now. He didn't handle my being in and out of the hospital well, and the economy is shiat on young 20s, even the ones with the benefit of being straight white males.

Which puts him right in the middle of the current statistical normal.

Tat'dGreaser: it doesn't bother me at all but how can you really do a study when most lesbian couples aren't exactly living in poverty.

It can be a difficult problem. IVF and adoption aren't exactly the cheapest, and even if they were, comparing deliberate parents with "I always pull out first" parents won't lead to the most accurate results.

Perhaps it would make sense to compare lesbians that adopt against other adoptive couples, and those who use IVF and similar techniques likewise.

I drunk what: Study: No one ever claimed that homosexual parents = guaranteed failure of keeping offspring alive, but that's a lovely straw man you've made there subby, maybe if you toss a match at it you can beat it?

WTF are you on about? Nothing like those words appear anywhere in the headline.

FYI folks - Spentmiles is a comedian, not a troll/loser/whatever.

/gets them everytime :*)

I know a bunch of lesbians and I know lesbians that are raising children.
I don't know any lesbians that are "man-haters" (but then, they wouldn't talk to me, would they?)

I know a bunch of gays but don't know any gays that are "woman haters".

Those of you that quote "Star Wars" and think you're quoting the bible: I gave up on you. With God's grace you'll get run over by a train.

If doing what God wants is so bleedin' important to you, you have two options:
1. Simple: Understand the Golden Rule. If you want the rights to marry as you please and to adopt, don't act to prevent other people from being married or adopting.
2. Hardcore: Learn Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew. Use Wikipedia to find the oldest texts; closest to the source. Read what they actually say. Read other material from the same time frame. Actually understand what was being said and what the word "Abomination" meant before the Pontiac Aztec redefined it.

If shutting down all understanding so that your narrow view of morality can become law is your goal, please go back to Saudi Arabia so that the rest of us can live as Americans.

doglover: Of course it hurts kids not to have male role models.

But just because someone blasts a load of cum in a vagina and you pop out, that man is not necessarily your male role model. It doesn't matter who raises you, it matters what you do. Good people can raise an orphan up right. Bad parents can turn their own seed into a horrible person.

Two lesbians can easily raise a kid of either gender if they're sane and there's other people around to socialize with. In fact, with enough sane people around, kids don't even NEED a parent once they're weaned.

So very, very, very much this.

gbv23: I'm more man than you'll ever be---and more woman than you'll ever get.

So what you're saying is...

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: sp86: Overfiend: This isn't surprising. Homosexuals can be as good (or bad) as other parents.

The most important thing a child needs is love. Love I say!

Food is good, too.

I think oxygen helps, but that's just how I was brought up so maybe I'm biased.

Pffft - oxygen is so overrated!!

Acharne: DrunkenBob: FirstNationalBastard: Wait, so people were saying that lesbian moms might do damage to children because the children wouldn't have any male role models in their lives, but they didn't mention or think about single mothers who would also provide a child with no male role models other than a steady stream of "uncles" who like to sleep over?

Lesbian mothers have no uncles to sleep over. That uncle provides invaluable masculine influence to the children. Sure, they're in small doses, but it makes all the difference.

/Lesbians bully their children into putting forth a good front
//LGBT manipulates its members more thoroughly than Mormons

As a child of a lesbian partnership. Ha Haa, ha ha ha haaaa. Ha HA. You're full of shiat. It's a child being raised by another human, same as any combination. There is no 'special agenda' that arrives from it. You're confusing us with Jews.

/And I'm kidding about the Jews.

I know some lesbian moms... and there's definately an agenda.

Tat'dGreaser: most lesbian couples aren't exactly living in poverty.

Yeah, about that.

Being a gay couple is costlier than being straight in most of the U.S., and so being a gay parent is usually costlier, too. Gay parents still can't file joint federal tax returns, obtain federal spousal benefits, or enjoy any federal spousal protections -- nor in most states, either. More than half the legal attributes of marriage, including many financial benefits, flow from federal law, and for gay couples those provisions are denied by DOMA, even where provided at state level. (This is one of the biggest problems with the 'state-by-state' argument: a huge amount of being married isn't state law, and never can be.)

The children of gay parents I've known have mostly not come from nice places like those mentioned, but from much more modest backgrounds -- places I wouldn't be enthusiastic about living in even on my own, with no kids or partner. So let's just hang that myth, okay?

Besides, as I said before, it's insulting to any parents to suggest that their community raises their kids more than they do. It is a factor, and an important one; but it's not THE factor.

scottnance: Don't believe me? Find a lesbian couple anywhere on earth who believe male role models are important for children. You can't do it, because they all hate men.

Uh, hi. Quit hanging around the radfems, and you'll see quite a difference.

There's a reason that many adoption agencies targeting gay couples (for example, the Independent Adoption Center) do "open" adoption. In open adoption, the birth parents are able to be involved in the child's life (should they wish to be).

My spouse and I believe that it's important that kids have both male and female role models in their lives. We will be adopting soon, and we will be making sure that our children have them. I personally know a number of gay and lesbian couples that feel the same.

scottnance: FirstNationalBastard: Wait, so people were saying that lesbian moms might do damage to children because the children wouldn't have any male role models in their lives, but they didn't mention or think about single mothers who would also provide a child with no male role models other than a steady stream of "uncles" who like to sleep over?

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Lesbians hate men, so your entirely analogy is stupid. Lesbians don't provide ANY male role models, and they also inadvertently teach contempt for men. It just leeches out of them. Lesbians don't "love women" they just "hate men." When sexual attraction and political statements land in the same place in a woman's mind, she becomes a lesbian. It's like a mental illness.

Don't believe me? Find a lesbian couple anywhere on earth who believe male role models are important for children. You can't do it, because they all hate men.

Speaking as a lesbian with many male friends and relatives, you are hilarious. Oh, and wrong. Very, very wrong.

LabGrrl: "But...But...Who will teach him to shave?" I did, by the way. I saw uncles and granddad do it enough times, and he had plenty of male friends. It's not rocket surgery.

"That's excellent Little Johnny. Now watch out for mommy's outer labia. Perfect!"

veryequiped: When I die, I want to come back as the double ended dildo in that household

When I die, I want to come back as a rubber boat at Coronado. A long, useful life of getting very wet all day being paddled by crews of young, hawt, able-bodied seamen.

scottnance: FirstNationalBastard: Wait, so people were saying that lesbian moms might do damage to children because the children wouldn't have any male role models in their lives, but they didn't mention or think about single mothers who would also provide a child with no male role models other than a steady stream of "uncles" who like to sleep over?

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Lesbians hate men, so your entirely analogy is stupid. Lesbians don't provide ANY male role models, and they also inadvertently teach contempt for men. It just leeches out of them. Lesbians don't "love women" they just "hate men." When sexual attraction and political statements land in the same place in a woman's mind, she becomes a lesbian. It's like a mental illness.

Don't believe me? Find a lesbian couple anywhere on earth who believe male role models are important for children. You can't do it, because they all hate men.

Not sure if your trolling, but sadly, these are the lesbians I know. While I wouldn't describe it as hatred, they seem to have a mentality of defiance towards this "mans world". The lesbians I know haven't had/made the best opportunities for themselves so it's kind of the embattled mentallity that springs from poverty with a little bit of gender confusion thrown in.

I have only known 3 lesbian couples, and while this is my impression of them, I'm sure there are as many differences as any demographic.

doglover: Of course it hurts kids not to have male role models.

I agree. Living in a cave in the woods separated from society is going to hurt a kid's development.


... in other words, I don't think lack of access to male role models is seriously an issue.

Tat'dGreaser: "how can you really do a study when most lesbian couples aren't exactly living in poverty"

Because it's not making an argument about whether lesbians are *better* parents than heterosexuals.
It's *refuting* the argument that lesbians fail as parents.

Ya know, because half the country insists that all homosexuals are automatically pedophiles, kids won't grow up right without a mother and a father, etc.

So, yeah, this study says nothing about whether Lesbians are automatically good parents.
All it says is that there's nothing particularly or fundamentally *bad* about them as parents.