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(TampaBay.com (St. Petersburg Tim)   Elderly woman hires crew to survey her property for sinkholes. Good news, they found one (w/ pics)   (tampabay.com) divider line 47
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2012-06-20 11:09:47 PM
FTFA: She'd left about half an hour before to run an errand for a friend, leaving a crew to do a survey of her home, checking for sinkholes. The survey was routine. Just like her day was supposed to be.

"I never thought this would happen to me," she said Wednesday afternoon, sitting at the kitchen table in her neighbor's home, voice thick with unshed tears.


Uh... You had a crew there looking for sinkholes... It never occurred to you that there is a reason for doing that?
 
2012-06-21 01:08:36 AM

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: She'd left about half an hour before to run an errand for a friend, leaving a crew to do a survey of her home, checking for sinkholes. The survey was routine. Just like her day was supposed to be.

"I never thought this would happen to me," she said Wednesday afternoon, sitting at the kitchen table in her neighbor's home, voice thick with unshed tears.

Uh... You had a crew there looking for sinkholes... It never occurred to you that there is a reason for doing that?


Well, generally survey crews aren't so...dramatic.
 
2012-06-21 03:33:21 AM
What the news failed to say is the she received a citation later that day for not having a permit to build a swimming pool.
 
2012-06-21 03:40:00 AM
meh. florida is one giant sinkhole.
 
2012-06-21 03:46:01 AM
Isn't it ironic?

Don'tcha think?
 
2012-06-21 03:46:21 AM
That's what happens when morons bulldoze over swampland to build houses.
 
2012-06-21 03:47:45 AM
Thats gotta suck.
 
2012-06-21 03:52:56 AM
I'm not sure what the point of surveying land for sinkholes is anyway. What are they going to do about it? I'd just as soon not know.
 
2012-06-21 03:54:05 AM
Well once the house is built, I mean. Maybe someone should have studied the area a little closer before building that ugly subdivision.
 
2012-06-21 03:56:45 AM
I also live in Pasco County, FL, and we truly are the sinkhole capital of the world here. Most are minor, but we have about a dozen of them per city block here. Yes, a dozen or so per block. Insurance covers the repairs. But about once each month, we get a whopper like this one down here. We are seldom alarmed, and it make the morning news interesting.

She had a crew out because she must have noticed a low spot in her yard. Routine. Happens all the time here. Just part of the fun and frivolity of living in Florida.

/ Y'all can quit your jobs and move on down here to Florida. I'll help you find a nice house in my neighborhood. A really nice one.
 
2012-06-21 04:01:08 AM

Sim Tree: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: She'd left about half an hour before to run an errand for a friend, leaving a crew to do a survey of her home, checking for sinkholes. The survey was routine. Just like her day was supposed to be.

"I never thought this would happen to me," she said Wednesday afternoon, sitting at the kitchen table in her neighbor's home, voice thick with unshed tears.

Uh... You had a crew there looking for sinkholes... It never occurred to you that there is a reason for doing that?

Well, generally survey crews aren't so...dramatic.


I admire their efficiency in finding one so quickly.
 
2012-06-21 04:06:50 AM
The entire state is semi-solid mud. No surprise.
 
2012-06-21 04:07:36 AM
You left the bodies and you only moved the headstones!
 
2012-06-21 04:07:56 AM

Confabulat: Maybe someone should have studied the area a little closer before building that ugly subdivision.


I have customers in her neighborhood. It is a very nice house in a very nice neighborhood. Probably about a ten year old house.
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Retirement living at its best, give or take one massive sinkhole.
 
2012-06-21 04:08:01 AM
What a shiathole.
 
2012-06-21 04:11:50 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: It is a very nice house in a very nice neighborhood


Yeah, that's subjective. Pasco County subdivisions are the ugliest damn thing mankind has ever built outside of Communist countries.
 
2012-06-21 04:14:28 AM
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2012-06-21 04:35:27 AM

Confabulat: I'm not sure what the point of surveying land for sinkholes is anyway. What are they going to do about it?


It's often possible to underpin a structure and mitigate the risk of sinkhole damage. It's something they should have done before building, but you can do it afterwards if necessary.
 
2012-06-21 04:38:12 AM

profplump: Confabulat: I'm not sure what the point of surveying land for sinkholes is anyway. What are they going to do about it?

It's often possible to underpin a structure and mitigate the risk of sinkhole damage. It's something they should have done before building, but you can do it afterwards if necessary.


I would think that people would do this before buying a home there.
 
2012-06-21 04:39:57 AM

profplump: Confabulat: I'm not sure what the point of surveying land for sinkholes is anyway. What are they going to do about it?

It's often possible to underpin a structure and mitigate the risk of sinkhole damage. It's something they should have done before building, but you can do it afterwards if necessary.


How is that accomplished? Do you just pump tons of concrete into the ground? It would seem like an exceedingly expensive procedure that probably would require permits from a dozen agencies.
 
2012-06-21 04:40:08 AM

Confabulat: I'm not sure what the point of surveying land for sinkholes is anyway. What are they going to do about it? I'd just as soon not know.


What if your dog fell in though man. Your dog. Dude.... I mean sure some children might die but a DOG man...... don't risk it.
 
2012-06-21 05:35:10 AM

Confabulat: profplump: Confabulat: I'm not sure what the point of surveying land for sinkholes is anyway. What are they going to do about it?

It's often possible to underpin a structure and mitigate the risk of sinkhole damage. It's something they should have done before building, but you can do it afterwards if necessary.

How is that accomplished? Do you just pump tons of concrete into the ground? It would seem like an exceedingly expensive procedure that probably would require permits from a dozen agencies.


TFA says "a number of other homes in the neighborhood have had prior sinkhole activity that has been stabilized" so it doesn't sound like anything prohibitively difficult or expensive.

/ if nothing else, a heads-up about a sinkhole would avoid the surprise destruction of the property (and maybe people) in the house
 
2012-06-21 05:35:48 AM

Confabulat: How is that accomplished? Do you just pump tons of concrete into the ground? It would seem like an exceedingly expensive procedure that probably would require permits from a dozen agencies.


It is fairly expensive to retrofit. Less costly then losing your house into a sinkhole, but not cheap. There are a number of options depending on the particular situation; Wikipedia has a quick summary: Underpinning

The basic procedure for building on a swamp is the same one we've been using for centuries -- drive poles into the ground until they hit something that won't wash away and use those poles to support the foundation. If you're building new you'd just put the foundation directly over the poles; in a retrofit you'd use what the wiki page calls "mini-piled underpinning", which drives poles near the existing foundation and then uses some mechanical scheme to transfer the load to those poles.
 
2012-06-21 05:49:05 AM

profplump: Confabulat: How is that accomplished? Do you just pump tons of concrete into the ground? It would seem like an exceedingly expensive procedure that probably would require permits from a dozen agencies.

It is fairly expensive to retrofit. Less costly then losing your house into a sinkhole, but not cheap. There are a number of options depending on the particular situation; Wikipedia has a quick summary: Underpinning

The basic procedure for building on a swamp is the same one we've been using for centuries -- drive poles into the ground until they hit something that won't wash away and use those poles to support the foundation. If you're building new you'd just put the foundation directly over the poles; in a retrofit you'd use what the wiki page calls "mini-piled underpinning", which drives poles near the existing foundation and then uses some mechanical scheme to transfer the load to those poles.


Wow yeah that can't possibly be cheap.
 
2012-06-21 06:13:31 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: I also live in Pasco County, FL,


Stop right there.

Pasco County is THE reason Florida has its own tag.

/most farked up county in the USA
 
2012-06-21 06:40:57 AM

Confabulat: EVERYBODY PANIC: It is a very nice house in a very nice neighborhood

Yeah, that's subjective. Pasco County subdivisions are the ugliest damn thing mankind has ever built outside of Communist countries.


^^This. Hernando county ones aren't any better.
 
2012-06-21 06:41:45 AM
Sue the developer for not building properly. She should probably investigate and find out they cleared the land by pushing everything into holes, piling fill on the trash and then building houses there.
 
2012-06-21 07:07:31 AM
Well, there's your problem.
 
2012-06-21 07:09:31 AM
In Detroit that house would be a fixer-upper.
 
2012-06-21 07:13:52 AM

FabulousFreep: Sue the developer for not building properly. She should probably investigate and find out they cleared the land by pushing everything into holes, piling fill on the trash and then building houses there.


seriously, one has to be a fool to not investigate a neighborhood before spending the loot. one only has to talk to a few potential neighbors to find out the history of a development or property.

when we were home hunting i took a tip from an episode of 'Roseanne'. before i even looked at the house we were brought to by a Realtor we glanced all around at the other houses. see what they have on their lawns and on the sides of their houses. if anyone is going to be the local loud obnoxious white trash family we sure as hell don't need the competition.
 
2012-06-21 07:57:29 AM
Sinkholes were around long before all the development, but it doesn't help that we pump all the water out from under that land so St. Petersburg residents can keep their lawns green. Sinkholes are common, but that size collapse of a house isn't. There are two basic ways to treat them: underpinning - basically driving stilts down to the limestone layer to hold the house up as the ground settles - and grouting - pumping cement into the openings under the house. We went with grouting for our sinkhole, so now we live on a 75'+ deep block of marbled cement and sand.
 
2012-06-21 08:11:06 AM

mr lawson: EVERYBODY PANIC: I also live in Pasco County, FL,

Stop right there.

Pasco County is THE reason Florida has its own tag.

/most farked up county in the USA


Our reputation is confirmed. And I thought it was just my own opinion. Thanks!

/ Anywhere else is boring and tedious. And sane. Yawn!
 
2012-06-21 08:22:12 AM
I bet that's a sinking uneasy feeling.
 
2012-06-21 08:26:23 AM
"FOUND ONE!"
 
2012-06-21 08:40:36 AM
My heartfelt sympathies to that poor woman.
 
2012-06-21 09:07:10 AM

Buffet: My heartfelt sympathies to that poor woman.


This. Is. Fark.

*kicks Buffet into sinkhole*

/insert picture of Leonidas here
 
2012-06-21 09:11:27 AM
If nature hands you a sinkhole, use it! Build a basement, a wine cellar, potato cellar, nice swimming pool. The possibilities are endless!

/live in Alachua County, FL, massive sink hole 500' north of me.
 
2012-06-21 09:26:17 AM

danno_to_infinity: Buffet: My heartfelt sympathies to that poor woman.

This. Is. Fark.

*kicks Buffet into sinkhole*

/insert picture of Leonidas here


Made me laugh. Thanks.
 
2012-06-21 10:42:53 AM
I live in FL & sell homeowners insurance in FL, so I'm getting a kick....
 
2012-06-21 10:56:03 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: mr lawson: EVERYBODY PANIC: I also live in Pasco County, FL,

Stop right there.

Pasco County is THE reason Florida has its own tag.

/most farked up county in the USA

Our reputation is confirmed. And I thought it was just my own opinion. Thanks!

/ Anywhere else is boring and tedious. And sane. Yawn!


DUVAL!!!!
 
2012-06-21 12:26:02 PM

Flupped Duck: I live in FL & sell homeowners insurance in FL, so I'm getting a kick....


I work for a sinkhole assessment firm hired by insurance companies to find and fix damage caused by sinkholes, and I'm currently sitting at a job site about 15 miles northeast of the sinkhole in question training on how to do shallow grout monitoring, so I'm definitely getting a kick. In fact, I may just swing by the home in question just to see who the geotechnical contractors are that are doing the site assessment. It's certainly not the company I work for, but geotechnical engineering firms are a dime a dozen down here.

I also wonder who her insurance company is, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's most likely Citizen's.

Also, as sad as this is to happen to an elderly lady, I'm glad it happened in a way since it will remind people that sinkholes can happen and will call their insurance companies more (even with the new stringent laws) which means I'll be able to stay employed that much longer. I like my job. For the most part, it involves sitting and writing things down from time to time. I don't want to lose such a sweet gig.
 
2012-06-21 12:38:47 PM
Why the fark would anyone live in an area where it's routine to search for sinkholes???

"Yeah, the ground around here tends to open up and swallow homes, cars, and whatnot. Nothing to worry about. We do routine checks for that sort of thing."
"I think I'll build my home somewhere else."
"We get that a lot."
 
2012-06-21 01:58:39 PM

Ratbert42: Sinkholes were around long before all the development, but it doesn't help that we pump all the water out from under that land so St. Petersburg residents can keep their lawns green.


St. Pete gets their water from Tampa Bay Water Management http://www.tampabaywater.org/index.aspx . Blame them for the sinkholes, and the failed desal plant, and the farked up reservoir.
Don't blame "just" St. Pete, it's a collective effort farking everything up now.
 
2012-06-21 02:55:43 PM
So, I decided to go check it out since I was right there, and wouldn't you know it, I was at a job doing standard penetration test drill monitoring not one block away from the sinkhole less than a month ago. I'm just glad there wasn't a drill rig at that lady's house and that no one was hurt.
 
2012-06-21 04:18:33 PM
Wouldn't this have been a nearly perfect case for using the IRONIC tag instead of the Florida tag?
 
2012-06-21 11:50:31 PM

Mofo_Jones: Wouldn't this have been a nearly perfect case for using the IRONIC tag instead of the Florida tag?


The Florida tag contains all other tags within itself. It is the omnitag.
 
2012-06-22 05:59:53 PM
That's what I like about where I live. Go down a few feet and you're sitting on solid rock. That sucker ain't gonna shift until WW3.
 
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