Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Bloomberg)   All of those snazzy electronic gizmos look and sound awesome in the car ads. But in real life, not so much   (bloomberg.com) divider line 99
    More: Obvious, consumer behaviour, Mcgraw-Hill Cos. Inc., communications device, surveys, cars, speech recognition  
•       •       •

7515 clicks; posted to Business » on 21 Jun 2012 at 2:27 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



99 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-06-21 02:28:31 AM  
i pity the foley
 
2012-06-21 02:31:06 AM  
Ford just can't climb out of that quality hole for long, can it? Once a crappy car company, always a crappy car company.
 
2012-06-21 02:35:08 AM  
Which is why I bought a car that's a car. It's fun to drive, it's mechanical, I don't feel like I'm driving a computer. I don't have hands-free crap. I have a cd player, power windows / doors, and that's about it. I don't want bluetooth integration, a touchscreen, in-dash GPS, hands-free anything... the 6 buttons on my steering wheel are good enough for me.
s1.aecdn.com

Hella fun to drive as well with good gas mileage.
 
2012-06-21 02:39:44 AM  
From what I've been able to discern, there are at least two places where microchippy circuit board thingies do not currently belong: On things that vibrate and get hot (that would be cars) and things that use water (dishwashers and washing machines). The technology needs to be made more durable.

/not a gadget freak
 
2012-06-21 02:46:47 AM  
I have an iPhone. I can read a map and remember directions for at least the next five turns. I don't need a satnav, and I don't care for someone else picking the music so I don't need a satradio.

I've watched the guys on Top Gear play around with the dash systems and I realized they were designed by committees.
 
2012-06-21 02:50:58 AM  
The more features you have, the more features that will break. People who have nice shiat worry to much about their things.
 
2012-06-21 02:51:06 AM  

wildcardjack: I have an iPhone. I can read a map and remember directions for at least the next five turns. I don't need a satnav, and I don't care for someone else picking the music so I don't need a satradio.


Get Waze for your phone. No more needing to remember the next 5 turns, and its free.
 
2012-06-21 03:01:02 AM  
"The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
 
2012-06-21 03:13:25 AM  

ericbo84: Which is why I bought a car that's a car. It's fun to drive, it's mechanical, I don't feel like I'm driving a computer. I don't have hands-free crap. I have a cd player, power windows / doors, and that's about it. I don't want bluetooth integration, a touchscreen, in-dash GPS, hands-free anything... the 6 buttons on my steering wheel are good enough for me.
[s1.aecdn.com image 270x180]

Hella fun to drive as well with good gas mileage.


I have three entire requirements on a car. Manual shifter, good stereo (cd or mp3), AC (rarely use it but it comes in handy) I don't need anything else.
 
2012-06-21 03:44:45 AM  
I've noticed something.

If they advertise the shiat out of the electronics package, the car itself sucks.
 
2012-06-21 03:47:09 AM  
Yep, my '98 Civic does just fine... I typically purchase a car for +/- $1500 and drive it for three years until it croaks and buy another. No monthly payments, no luxuries (besides the A/C... a must in Texas).

/Car= take me where I need to go.
//Jeep= take me where I *want* to go.
 
2012-06-21 04:01:53 AM  
'87 Alfa Spider. Power Windows the only stock luxury. added CD stereo with MP3 blue-tooth to stream from the phone. Not even a cup holder, or power steering.

/I miss power steering
//first use of slashies
 
2012-06-21 04:05:33 AM  
Heard an ad on the radio, while driving on the highway, which went something like that :

<robotic gps voice>
Please. Take. The. Next. Exit.
You. Missed. Your. Exit. Again.
Please. Make. A. U-turn. As. Soon. As. Possible.
Please. Make. A. U-turn. As. Soon. As. Possible.
Please. Make. A. U-turn. As. Soon. As. Possible.
Please. Make. A. U-turn. As. Soon. As. Possible.
</robotic gps voice>

<male announcer>
Take your travels back into your hands, which Acme-brand roadmaps ! They are cheap, and they always work !
</male announcer>

Anyway, the older I get, the more I appreciate simplicity in all things, be it cars, washing machines or software. Simple things have less opportunity to break.
 
2012-06-21 04:18:33 AM  
i.imgur.comi.imgur.com
 
2012-06-21 05:08:22 AM  
Fark 'em (and, apparently, most of this thread).

Adapt or die.
 
2012-06-21 05:36:38 AM  
One of the editors responsible for the story:

www.cannibalthemusical.net
 
2012-06-21 06:10:04 AM  
We have two Hondas; the used Odyssey we bought came with a Nav system, but it also can control the Air Conditioning, which is scary if it ever breaks. Also, Honda wants almost $200 for an updated DVD, and you can get either the U.S. or Canada, but Streets & Trips has both for $30. Cross the border with Honda, and "here be dragons."

The Odyssey also has a VHS player which has quit working - twice. Found a reconditioned player module online the first time, which beat the heck out of the $2000 Honda wanted. We've just given up this last time, because who watches VHS anymore?

When we bought a new Fit, we just said no to the Nav system, which added $2000 to the cost of the car. Google maps on our smartphones works just fine, and has the added benefit of live traffic info, which is great when we have to pick up the kid in 15 minutes and we can see which routes are FUBAR. (And yes, I know I am letting Google "see" my location so they can aggregate the traffic flow data).
 
2012-06-21 06:23:33 AM  
I have a smartphone. Why would I want more crap to futz with that is of poorer design, less-intuitive, and used less often?
 
2012-06-21 06:27:56 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Ford just can't climb out of that quality hole for long, can it? Once a crappy car company, always a crappy car company.


I bought a '12 Fiesta this year and couldn't be happier with it. I think a 16 position fall due to a glitchy Sync system is a little harsh. It's not like the brakes are failing or the airbags are going off on their own.
 
2012-06-21 06:49:11 AM  
Just bought a 2012 Jeep Wrangler a few months ago and went bone stock. Didn't even ad A/C let alone the fancy in-dash systems. It's a wrangler, it doesn't need an infotainment system and satnav... Besides, my smartphone does both of those much better anyway.
 
2012-06-21 07:01:53 AM  
Windshield mounted Garmen and a line-in jack for the stereo and I am a happy guy.
 
2012-06-21 07:05:32 AM  
The smartest car company is the first one that will realize it will be easier to just have a spot to simply hook your tablet/smartphone to the dash than it is to install expensive propriety systems that do essentially the same thing.
 
2012-06-21 07:25:07 AM  

JudgeItoBox: Fark 'em (and, apparently, most of this thread).

Adapt or die.


Bite your tongue. The winners of Fark choose to buy old crap because they are "cool".
 
2012-06-21 07:32:14 AM  
HANG UP AND DRIVE, A$$HOLES!
 
2012-06-21 07:47:04 AM  
minorshill.co.uk

"Michael, what are they talking about?"
 
2012-06-21 07:50:20 AM  
Ah yes...the "because we can" crap.. The useless stuff they cram into a car "because we can" or because some focus group said "Yes, I'd buy a car with a bidet in the driver's seat."

The problem with this kind of feature creep is that the carmakers are using more and more distributed processing in their systems. There isn't a "audio module" or "HVAC module" anymore, these system functions may be controlled by 4 or 5 different nodes. The carmakers are also starting to obsolete replacement parts much quicker...some cases as little as six years.

Don't be surprised when that "fully featured" car you bought this year cannot be repaired in 2020 because the module you need cannot be found.
 
2012-06-21 08:02:49 AM  

Hiro Nakamura: AverageAmericanGuy: Ford just can't climb out of that quality hole for long, can it? Once a crappy car company, always a crappy car company.

I bought a '12 Fiesta this year and couldn't be happier with it. I think a 16 position fall due to a glitchy Sync system is a little harsh. It's not like the brakes are failing or the airbags are going off on their own.


Have a '11 Fiesta. Haven't had a problem with Sync yet, though we don't get as many goodies in Canada it seems. Wouldn't take the firmware update, but meh. Regularly drive it over 700km+ trips (a necessity in our part of the world).

That said, back in 2006, at the Champcar race in Edmonton, Ford had a tent featuring their newest models. On almost every vehicle there the '3-bar grille' was listed as a feature. On one of them it was the 3rd (and last) feature listed. How fricking terrible is your car if you think the design of the grille is one of the top 3 selling points?
 
2012-06-21 08:07:28 AM  

odinsposse: The smartest car company is the first one that will realize it will be easier to just have a spot to simply hook your tablet/smartphone to the dash than it is to install expensive propriety systems that do essentially the same thing.


I've seen that in some Nissans - instead of Satnav they had a port for a Garmin. You could buy a Garmin with the car (didn't even mark it up, in fact). Don't know if they do that anymore.

Automakers do stupid stuff with tech. Any other company in the world who wanted to put a GPS in a car would go to a successful GPS manufacturer, like Garmin or TomTom, right? Not the automakers. Kenwood made the GPS in my Subaru, I guess because they're soo darned good at consumer electronics (or possibly the Kenwood rep at Subaru is really good at tickling the balls of the various folks at Subaru)..

Then you have the automakers who want to "differentiate" themselves from the competition with unique designs. Yeah - it's a great thing to be learning a new computing interface in a moving vehicle. That's like putting in the brake on the right so as to provide a different "feel" for the car.

Finally, you have those designers, like BMW and Honda with the controls for the computer sitting 3 feet away from the display, and you're typing in with a damned wheel, because obviously everyone hates touch screens. The f*ck is that about? It's about as efficient as typing with my pecker.
 
2012-06-21 08:14:16 AM  
I have a 2002 Lexus ES 300 that just had a regular CD/Casset stereo sound system. I bought the radio bezel that would have come with my car had it had the navigation package so I would have an opening for a after markeh head unit. I got the Parrot Asteroid plus an eqaualizer. Then I installed an iPod cable into the glove box plus two flushmount usb and a line-in jack inside the center console. I put a GPS antenna just under the lower corner of the passenger side windshild. I also added a microphone above the drives seat and a 10" sub and amp in the trunk.

I hid all the wires so it actually looks almost like a stock system. It turned out better than I expected but it cost me a little chunk of change. It sounds awesome too, especially with that equalizer.

You can press a button on the radio and say the name of an artist you want to hear. It will search any usb drives, iPods and SD cards you have plugged in and start playing them. You can also say the name of a person in you phone contacts list and it will call them for you. It has google maps too but like most other users have not gotten it to work yet.
 
2012-06-21 08:19:51 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Kenwood made the GPS in my Subaru, I guess because they're soo darned good at consumer electronics (or possibly the Kenwood rep at Subaru is really good at tickling the balls of the various folks at Subaru)..


Actually, Kenwood has a bit of experience with integrating GPS. They were the first manufacturer to do that with amateur radios, something like a decade or more ago. It's not like they are noobs.
 
2012-06-21 08:20:09 AM  
Yeah, I know it is cool to be all minimalist and such on Fark, but y'all sound like you need your onions changed out on your belts.

I absolutely will not buy a car without Nav, bluetooth phone integration, excellent iPod / iPhone integration for music, satellite radio, etc. If it is an SUV, it has to have rear-seat entertainment for the kids. Does it add extra cost and complexity to the vehicle? Yep. Does it increase my enjoyment of driving and taking road trips? Immensely.

Yes, my smartphone does many of these things too, but the screen is small, it kills battery life to use the nav feature for very long, and I can't freaking stand having wires and windshield mounts in my otherwise beautiful and pristine cockpit. Plus, the bluetooth phone control is pretty much necessary for safety (and legality in many states)... yeah, one could simply not use their phone in the car, but in my profession that simply isn't a choice unless I want to pull over all the time if I'm on call.

What I really want to see is for automakers to work with Apple, Google, and MS to come up with a common protocol where the phone can act as the primary computer for the car, and the displays pretty much be dummy displays for the maps, entertainment, communications, etc. Phones are easy and cheap to change out, the complex systems in cars aren't.
 
2012-06-21 08:20:48 AM  

hoihoi8: The more features you have, the more features that will break.


Bear this in mind when buying used cars.

It's sad and funny to see people buy, say, a used minivan. "but the SuperDeluxeXL was only $1000 more!" And within a year, half of that fancy crap isn't working because you squeaked into something that is expensive to maintain.

It's usually babymommas who do this, too. Not that there's a correlation relating to impulsive behavior and not thinking decisions through, or anything.
 
2012-06-21 08:22:30 AM  
FTA: Car owners had the most complaints about audio, entertainment and navigation features in J.D. Power & Associates' survey of auto buyers...

It was bound to happen once Bose got into the car stereo business.
 
2012-06-21 08:25:32 AM  

Tellingthem: I have three entire requirements on a car. Manual shifter, good stereo (cd or mp3), AC (rarely use it but it comes in handy) I don't need anything else.


You've obviously never owned a car with 10-way adjustable heated leather seats.
 
2012-06-21 08:28:21 AM  

dittybopper: Actually, Kenwood has a bit of experience with integrating GPS. They were the first manufacturer to do that with amateur radios, something like a decade or more ago. It's not like they are noobs.


You can have a lot of experience making terrible technology. Look at CA as an example.

Kenwood makes sh*tty vehicular GPS kit, I assure you. I'd sooner use a $100 garmin than the $1500 Kenwood in my dash.
 
2012-06-21 08:28:37 AM  

alywa: What I really want to see is for automakers to work with Apple, Google, and MS to come up with a common protocol where the phone can act as the primary computer for the car, and the displays pretty much be dummy displays for the maps, entertainment, communications, etc. Phones are easy and cheap to change out, the complex systems in cars aren't.


This is pretty much exactally what I was looking for when I was starting my car stereo install (see above). Sadly they do not make stuff like this. I even thought about having a tablet PC installed in my dash but ultimatly decided it wasn't worth the hassel. I know the car stereo place by where I live does them all the time but they usually have a regular deck as well.
 
2012-06-21 08:29:12 AM  

scanman61: Ah yes...the "because we can" crap.. The useless stuff they cram into a car "because we can" or because some focus group said "Yes, I'd buy a car with a bidet in the driver's seat."


"Psst. Hey Audi. Guess what I got. Want this in your next model?"
"Psst. Hey BMW. Guess what I just sold to Audi. I got something better in the pipeline, you want in?"
"Psst. Hey Mercedes. BMW is getting *this* next year, but I have something more sophisticated coming up."
"Psst. Hey Audi..."

And then the magazines expect this crap, and downplay a car that isn't loaded with it. "This radio is archaic, it uses knobs and stuff!" (C&D is refreshing in this regard - they whip pointless crap mercilessly)

The problem with this kind of feature creep is that the carmakers are using more and more distributed processing in their systems. There isn't a "audio module" or "HVAC module" anymore, these system functions may be controlled by 4 or 5 different nodes. The carmakers are also starting to obsolete replacement parts much quicker...some cases as little as six years.

Don't be surprised when that "fully featured" car you bought this year cannot be repaired in 2020 because the module you need cannot be found.


Oh, you. You think they're waiting seven years to obsolete parts. There are plenty cases where you can't get parts for brand-new cars. (Not counting orphan cars like SAAB!)

And, in the name of theft deterrence, most of these modules have the VIN hard-coded the first time they are connected, and won't work in another vehicle. A good idea, but it means you can't hit up a junkyard for recycled parts.
 
2012-06-21 08:34:39 AM  

alywa: Yeah, I know it is cool to be all minimalist and such on Fark, but y'all sound like you need your onions changed out on your belts.


Sorry. It's just that operating a multi-ton piece of machinery requires just a bit of attention.

I absolutely will not buy a car without Nav, bluetooth phone integration, excellent iPod / iPhone integration for music, satellite radio, etc.

Fortunately for you, this is getting to be much more easy to find.

I, personally, don't care. I'll drive six hours without even realizing that I never turned the radio on. I turn my phone off when I'm driving. If I don't know where I'm going, I have an older Garmin that works well enough (even though it does call out turns 30 yards too late)

What I really want to see is for automakers to work with Apple, Google, and MS to come up with a common protocol where the phone can act as the primary computer for the car, and the displays pretty much be dummy displays for the maps, entertainment, communications, etc. Phones are easy and cheap to change out, the complex systems in cars aren't.

This makes the most sense, especially with the lead-times required in automotive design. The car should have an X mindset - the car is just an input/output, the computer is up to the driver's preference.
 
2012-06-21 08:36:24 AM  

DrPainMD: Tellingthem: I have three entire requirements on a car. Manual shifter, good stereo (cd or mp3), AC (rarely use it but it comes in handy) I don't need anything else.

You've obviously never owned a car with 10-way adjustable heated leather seats.


Dude, I think one of my cars weighs less than a 10-way adjustable heated leather seat.
 
2012-06-21 08:43:11 AM  
Why not create a docking station in a car for people's phones instead of all the junk in the car?
 
2012-06-21 08:46:26 AM  
smartphone mobile/mapping applications : cheap, and reasonably good

purpose bought GPS devices : more expensive, but you get what you pay for (at least a little)

Integrated mapping systems in cars : even more expensive, ridiculously so, and often not much better than what is built in smart phones. For what they charge you, you could go to newegg or Sam's club, and get the one of Garmins higher end models, and have lots of money left over.
 
2012-06-21 08:50:01 AM  

alywa: Yes, my smartphone does many of these things too, but the screen is small, it kills battery life to use the nav feature for very long, and I can't freaking stand having wires and windshield mounts in my otherwise beautiful and pristine cockpit. Plus, the bluetooth phone control is pretty much necessary for safety (and legality in many states)... yeah, one could simply not use their phone in the car, but in my profession that simply isn't a choice unless I want to pull over all the time if I'm on call.


My Galaxy Nexus actually has a good sized screen and limited voice control. Plus the Jeep has a few convenient places to just stick the phone without mounts, although a good stable mount in landscape mode would be useful for nav. Generally I just want the voice directions on the nav anyway. I can see your points about wires and such but I didn't think going with the upgrades was worth it for me since the phone does most of those functions better than the built-in system and if I really want to go crazy I can mod the thing myself.

Like someone else mentioned earlier I have plans for putting a built in tablet in the dash somewhere on a fold out mount.
 
2012-06-21 08:50:44 AM  

alywa: I absolutely will not buy a car without Nav, bluetooth phone integration, excellent iPod / iPhone integration for music, satellite radio, etc. If it is an SUV, it has to have rear-seat entertainment for the kids. Does it add extra cost and complexity to the vehicle? Yep. Does it increase my enjoyment of driving and taking road trips? Immensely.


My car doesn't even have a radio. Well, it doesn't have a broadcast radio receiver (It has 2, 6, and 10 meter ham radio gear).

I don't find that I'm all that disadvantaged. I don't need a machine to tell me where to go. I don't own a cellphone, so Bluetooth would pointless. I have an iPod touch, but I don't use it in the car. My kid doesn't need to be mindlessly entertained on long trips, and in fact I find that some of the best conversations we've had were in the car.

Seems to me all that stuff is there to insulate you from your own existence. Music to drown out the outside world. An electronic babysitter for the kids. A personal navigator so you don't have to expend any mental effort into finding your way. A way to always be in constant contact with all your friends and family.

When was the last time you got down to ground level and really *LOOKED* at a blade of grass?
 
2012-06-21 08:51:53 AM  

dforkus: Integrated mapping systems in cars : even more expensive, ridiculously so, and often not much better than what is built in smart phones. For what they charge you, you could go to newegg or Sam's club, and get the one of Garmins higher end models, and have lots of money left over.


And lots of wires.

People who are spending 40k+ for a car want it to be clean and integrated. I agree that the nice standalone GPS units are very good, but they look like ass in the car, are easily stolen / damaged (by having to move them around), etc. On the plus side, they are much easier to update (often free, unlike buying new mapsets for built-ins).

Smartphone integration, high-res info screens are the long-term answer. Phones now are more than powerful enough to simultaneously run a nav program, streaming or satellite radio, plus rear seat entertainment. Its simply a matter of getting everyone on board for a common protocol.

Hell, even an iPod touch (200 bucks) could do all this, minus the internet / wireless connectivity.
 
2012-06-21 08:54:47 AM  

dittybopper: Seems to me all that stuff is there to insulate you from your own existence. Music to drown out the outside world. An electronic babysitter for the kids. A personal navigator so you don't have to expend any mental effort into finding your way. A way to always be in constant contact with all your friends and family.

When was the last time you got down to ground level and really *LOOKED* at a blade of grass?


There's the smugness I expect from Fark! Bravo!

/Why would I want to look up close at a piece of grass? I have a landscaper to do that for me ; )
 
2012-06-21 08:56:45 AM  
As someone that is currently car shopping, the technology is getting to be too much. And too expensive.
 
2012-06-21 08:59:45 AM  

Babwa Wawa: dittybopper: Actually, Kenwood has a bit of experience with integrating GPS. They were the first manufacturer to do that with amateur radios, something like a decade or more ago. It's not like they are noobs.

You can have a lot of experience making terrible technology. Look at CA as an example.

Kenwood makes sh*tty vehicular GPS kit, I assure you. I'd sooner use a $100 garmin than the $1500 Kenwood in my dash.


Well, that's actually an argument for not integrating stuff into a vehicle. Best thing about a $100 Garmin? You can slap it in a rental or borrowed car, and you can take it with you when you get new car. Hell, you can slap it on a bicycle, if you are so inclined.

I can't personally vouch for the quality of the Kenwood radios, but they get generally good reviews at eHam:

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/9421
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1332
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/91
 
2012-06-21 09:03:06 AM  

DrPainMD: Tellingthem: I have three entire requirements on a car. Manual shifter, good stereo (cd or mp3), AC (rarely use it but it comes in handy) I don't need anything else.

You've obviously never owned a car with 10-way adjustable heated leather seats.


If your getting that, you might as well go with the cooling seats too.
 
2012-06-21 09:20:16 AM  
...the Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW)...

Was that really necessary?
 
2012-06-21 09:23:34 AM  
This sounds like the kind of thing that pilots in vietnam were complaining about : sensory overload.
 
Displayed 50 of 99 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report