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2012-06-20 10:40:37 PM
Thanks Bama!!
 
2012-06-20 10:45:20 PM
all this is , is a start. nothing more. the field is far too small , should 16 teams minimum.
 
2012-06-20 10:51:17 PM
Subby, sorry. It drops. The complaint from most of us is having undefeated teams left out. Few people are complaining about the 5th best team in the country other then their fans.

But we still need an 8 to 16 team playoff.
 
2012-06-20 10:51:32 PM
Glad Notre Dame approves... So why do they get some special weight in this decision? It ain't like they're gonna be going to the damn thing. I mean maybe, but if recent history is a guide it ain't too likely.
 
2012-06-20 10:57:51 PM
It's a big step in the right direction. Now if only we could get rid of the bowl games.
 
2012-06-20 10:59:31 PM
Sweet. I look forward to it being three SEC teams and whichever Big Ten team that didn't play a single difficult game all season and ends up 10-1 vying for the national championship. This'll be great!
 
2012-06-20 11:00:57 PM

UNC_Samurai: It's a big step in the right direction. Now if only we could get rid of the bowl games.


I'm sorry, but could you explain why you think keeping the bowl games for the "non-playoff" schools is a bad thing?

Personally, I quite enjoy the inter-conference match-ups that we otherwise wouldn't normally get to see.
 
2012-06-20 11:01:55 PM

grimlock1972: all this is , is a start. nothing more. the field is far too small , should 16 teams minimum.


I agree. The BCS was better than the previous system and this is better than the BCS.

At this pace we should see an 8 team playoff somewhere around 2025-30.
 
2012-06-20 11:02:59 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Sweet. I look forward to it being three SEC teams and whichever Big Ten team that didn't play a single difficult game all season and ends up 10-1 vying for the national championship. This'll be great!


I guess you missed this part of the article:

"Sources told ESPN.com that under the recommended model, four participating teams would be selected by a committee, which would consider certain criteria such as conference championships and strength of schedule."

Thanks, Bama!!
 
2012-06-20 11:06:20 PM

grimlock1972: all this is , is a start. nothing more. the field is far too small , should 16 teams minimum.


yes, i can't wait for the 8-4 team to be crowned champions over the 12-1. playoffs aren't a panacea. in fact they lead to teams with a lesser body of work being declared champions (see: the nfl).

/4 is fine, but 16 would be shiat.
 
2012-06-20 11:06:40 PM

Krymson Tyde: I agree. The BCS was better than the previous system and this is better than the BCS.


Of course someone from Alabama would think that. Hell, they ALMOST had another shot at a title that Utah proved they didn't deserve.
 
2012-06-20 11:09:37 PM

puffy999: Of course someone from Alabama would think that.


I would think someone from Bama would prefer the BCS, since the new system would have kept Bama home last year.
 
2012-06-20 11:09:50 PM
Incidentally, I'm half kidding. I do think it was a tiny improvement over the prior system, but it could have been much greater if it didn't provide the element of false hope with the same biased polling and bowl system (if not somewhat WORSE than in the past in some ways... remember, BYU won a national title [that they didn't deserve] in the mid 1980s, and the BCS made that all but impossible). The BCS has dropped the ball more often than it should have.
 
2012-06-20 11:10:40 PM

puffy999: Krymson Tyde: I agree. The BCS was better than the previous system and this is better than the BCS.

Of course someone from Alabama would think that. Hell, they ALMOST had another shot at a title that Utah proved they didn't deserve.


Which part of my post do you disagree with? That the BCS was better than the old bowl system or that this is better than tbe BCS?
 
2012-06-20 11:10:59 PM
So it will be the best 4 teams from the SEC fighting it out for the championship?
 
2012-06-20 11:12:21 PM

Slow To Return: puffy999: Of course someone from Alabama would think that.

I would think someone from Bama would prefer the BCS, since the new system would have kept Bama home last year.


Nope. As long as the rule is in place I have no problem with it. Last year it wasn't.
 
2012-06-20 11:13:59 PM
Never mind, I see where you conceded the BCS is an improvement.
 
2012-06-20 11:14:12 PM

Slow To Return: I guess you missed this part of the article:

"Sources told ESPN.com that under the recommended model, four participating teams would be selected by a committee, which would consider certain criteria such as conference championships and strength of schedule."

Thanks, Bama!!


I didn't miss it, I just have no illusions that this new system will be any less corrupt than the old one.
 
2012-06-20 11:16:30 PM

A Fark Handle: grimlock1972: all this is , is a start. nothing more. the field is far too small , should 16 teams minimum.

yes, i can't wait for the 8-4 team to be crowned champions over the 12-1. playoffs aren't a panacea. in fact they lead to teams with a lesser body of work being declared champions (see: the nfl).

/4 is fine, but 16 would be shiat.


An 8-4 team that wins a 16-team playoffs, beating 4 of the best teams in the country to get there, would deserve to be crowned champion.
 
2012-06-20 11:17:10 PM

Krymson Tyde: Slow To Return: puffy999: Of course someone from Alabama would think that.

I would think someone from Bama would prefer the BCS, since the new system would have kept Bama home last year.

Nope. As long as the rule is in place I have no problem with it. Last year it wasn't.


Oh come on - you don't think it would have been cool to see Alabama go 11-0, including a regular season loss to 10-1 Georgia, then lose to Georgia in the SEC championship game, only to beat them again in the BCS championship game?
 
2012-06-20 11:19:14 PM
Obviously I meant a regular season WIN over Georgia...
 
2012-06-20 11:21:14 PM

JohnBigBootay: Glad Notre Dame approves... So why do they get some special weight in this decision? It ain't like they're gonna be going to the damn thing. I mean maybe, but if recent history is a guide it ain't too likely.


I also make fun of Notre Dame's "we were awesome 40 years ago" dispensation, but how many times did they get to a BCS bowl?
 
2012-06-20 11:22:31 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Slow To Return: I guess you missed this part of the article:

"Sources told ESPN.com that under the recommended model, four participating teams would be selected by a committee, which would consider certain criteria such as conference championships and strength of schedule."

Thanks, Bama!!

I didn't miss it, I just have no illusions that this new system will be any less corrupt than the old one.


Sweet mother of God this!
 
2012-06-20 11:26:42 PM

Slow To Return: Krymson Tyde: Slow To Return: puffy999: Of course someone from Alabama would think that.

I would think someone from Bama would prefer the BCS, since the new system would have kept Bama home last year.

Nope. As long as the rule is in place I have no problem with it. Last year it wasn't.

Oh come on - you don't think it would have been cool to see Alabama go 11-0, including a regular season loss to 10-1 Georgia, then lose to Georgia in the SEC championship game, only to beat them again in the BCS championship game?


Look, I know I'm in the minority here, but I honestly think that, given how the season played out, the two most deserving teams played for the championship.
If you care to go back and read the thread the week Bama lost to LSU I said I wouldn't lobby for them to be in the game. Of course at that time I didn't anticipate Oklahoma State losing to Iowa State. If there had been a rule saying either a team must be conference champion (which I have no problem with) or there can't be a rematch then I wouldn't have a beef with OSU playing LSU.
There's no point in beating that dead horse, nobody's mind will be changed.
 
2012-06-20 11:29:57 PM

Krymson Tyde: Look, I know I'm in the minority here, but I honestly think that, given how the season played out, the two most deserving teams played for the championship.


I hate both teams but as it played out you are correct, all of that could have been avoided if a couple of teams hadnt farked up, personally I would have loved for boise to get in there against lsu just to see that defense beat the fark out of them then watch that offense just power run over their line.

wiwille: Sweet mother of God this!


And again, another person either too young or too stupid to realize the previous system was just as corrupt.
 
2012-06-20 11:35:04 PM

steamingpile: if a couple of teams hadnt farked up


or if Kurt Budke's plane hadn't crashed?
 
2012-06-20 11:36:10 PM

i_dig_chicks: So it will be the best 4 teams from the SEC fighting it out for the championship?


That won't happen because the other conferences will scream bloody murder. But if they really want the four best teams....
 
2012-06-20 11:36:35 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Sweet. I look forward to it being three two SEC teams, Notre Dame and whichever Big Ten team that didn't play a single difficult game all season and ends up 1011-1 vying for the national championship. This'll be great!


FTFY
 
2012-06-20 11:37:18 PM

Slow To Return: UNC_Samurai: It's a big step in the right direction. Now if only we could get rid of the bowl games.

I'm sorry, but could you explain why you think keeping the bowl games for the "non-playoff" schools is a bad thing?

Personally, I quite enjoy the inter-conference match-ups that we otherwise wouldn't normally get to see.


I'm just frustrated with these "non-profit" bowl organizations that have dictated the way post-season play operates in D1-A. Yes, I know that my schools have benefitted immensely from the Car Parts Bowl or the Pizza Website Bowl. But you can't tell me it doesn't piss you off when you see tradition drug out as an excuse to keep the Chik-Fil-A Bowl or the non-ACC Gator Bowl in the black.
 
2012-06-20 11:37:26 PM

ChrisDe: i_dig_chicks: So it will be the best 4 teams from the SEC fighting it out for the championship?

That won't happen because the other conferences will scream bloody murder. But if they really want the four best teams....


pretty sure the other conferences screamed bloody murder when it was only 2 teams from the SEC fighting it out for the championship...
 
2012-06-20 11:40:05 PM

SharkTrager: Subby, sorry. It drops. The complaint from most of us is having undefeated teams left out. Few people are complaining about the 5th best team in the country other then their fans.

But we still need an 8 to 16 team playoff.


Every last one of the complaints is due to people sitting around and picking who gets to play instead of having a clear path where teams can earn their way solely by how they play on the field.

11 conferences, 11 team playoff. Win your conference, go to the playoffs. Don't win your conference, go to a bowl game. Why the fark does everyone want to keep the stupid subjective selection committees?
 
2012-06-20 11:40:57 PM

Slow To Return: steamingpile: if a couple of teams hadnt farked up

or if Kurt Budke's plane hadn't crashed?


Yeah I am sure the football team gave a shiat about some inferior sport losing a coach.

Slow To Return: pretty sure the other conferences screamed bloody murder when it was only 2 teams from the SEC fighting it out for the championship...


Again the two best teams played, lets not act like OkSt would have won against either team
 
2012-06-20 11:42:20 PM

UNC_Samurai: I'm just frustrated with these "non-profit" bowl organizations that have dictated the way post-season play operates in D1-A. Yes, I know that my schools have benefitted immensely from the Car Parts Bowl or the Pizza Website Bowl. But you can't tell me it doesn't piss you off when you see tradition drug out as an excuse to keep the Chik-Fil-A Bowl or the non-ACC Gator Bowl in the black.


well, yea, the over-commercialization of the whole thing is disgusting, but I've learned to live with it, and at the end of the day, last year's BYU/Tulsa or Baylor/Wash games were still exciting and fun to watch.
 
2012-06-20 11:42:49 PM

Krymson Tyde: puffy999: Krymson Tyde: I agree. The BCS was better than the previous system and this is better than the BCS.

Of course someone from Alabama would think that. Hell, they ALMOST had another shot at a title that Utah proved they didn't deserve.

Which part of my post do you disagree with? That the BCS was better than the old bowl system or that this is better than tbe BCS?


I disagree with both. The prior system was better than the BCS and this system is worse still. The biggest problem is that neither have done a thing to eliminate the subjective component and both are convincing more people that this is little better than polished shiat.
 
2012-06-20 11:43:36 PM

A Fark Handle: grimlock1972: all this is , is a start. nothing more. the field is far too small , should 16 teams minimum.

yes, i can't wait for the 8-4 team to be crowned champions over the 12-1. playoffs aren't a panacea. in fact they lead to teams with a lesser body of work being declared champions (see: the nfl).

/4 is fine, but 16 would be shiat.


I'd rather see an 8-4 team that earned its way to a championship than a 12-1 team that was chosen by a committee.
 
2012-06-20 11:45:53 PM

meanmutton: I disagree with both. The prior system was better than the BCS and this system is worse still. The biggest problem is that neither have done a thing to eliminate the subjective component and both are convincing more people that this is little better than polished shiat.


You do realize you contradict yourself in your statement, right? The previous system was even more subjective and was complete shiat in comparison to the BCS.
 
2012-06-20 11:46:07 PM

steamingpile: Yeah I am sure the football team gave a shiat about some inferior sport losing a coach.


Not everyone's as heartless as you. I live in Texas and work for a big company, we lost four employees from our Orlando office that I'd never met in an automobile accident last year. The whole company was in shock for weeks.

steamingpile: Again the two best teams played, lets not act like OkSt would have won against either team


Did you not see Jordan Jefferson in the championship game this year???
 
2012-06-20 11:49:46 PM

Slow To Return: Not everyone's as heartless as you. I live in Texas and work for a big company, we lost four employees from our Orlando office that I'd never met in an automobile accident last year. The whole company was in shock for weeks.


I am supposed to be in shock over people I have never met for weeks? Sorry call me cold or callous but if I have no connection then I dont care, life happens, get over it.

Slow To Return: Did you not see Jordan Jefferson in the championship game this year???


Yes, I also saw their defense give up a shiatload of points to even crappier teams during the year, I have no doubt that O-line would have just barreled over OkSt.
 
2012-06-20 11:51:38 PM

steamingpile: I am supposed to be in shock over people I have never met for weeks? Sorry call me cold or callous but if I have no connection then I dont care, life happens, get over it.


Were you even alive on September 11, 2001?
 
2012-06-20 11:55:49 PM

Supes: A Fark Handle: grimlock1972: all this is , is a start. nothing more. the field is far too small , should 16 teams minimum.

yes, i can't wait for the 8-4 team to be crowned champions over the 12-1. playoffs aren't a panacea. in fact they lead to teams with a lesser body of work being declared champions (see: the nfl).

/4 is fine, but 16 would be shiat.

An 8-4 team that wins a 16-team playoffs, beating 4 of the best teams in the country to get there, would deserve to be crowned champion.


no it wouldn't. especially since it would be unlikely (unless seeding was shiat) play 4 of the best teams. it might play 4 ok teams. i like the fact that the goal of the college football championship is to arrive at a determination of what team was the best in the nation. not what team got lucky and won a couple of games in a row.

sure we can move to nfl light, but that doesn't mean the best team is crowned. i'm anti-bcs, pro-playoffs, but again playoffs aren't a panacea. as i've posted before the ny giants and new england patriots were tied on the season series (1-1), the season score (something-something), new england had won on the road then lost at a neutral site, their season records were approximately 18-1 vs 15-5, and yet the giants were crown as the superior team.

that's crap!

/so keep it small.
//they won't...
 
2012-06-20 11:56:46 PM
Why stop at 16 teams? 119 team, single elimination playoff. The rest of the season can be played out to decide which 9 teams get first round byes.
 
2012-06-21 12:00:38 AM

meanmutton: 11 conferences, 11 team playoff. Win your conference, go to the playoffs. Don't win your conference, go to a bowl game. Why the fark does everyone want to keep the stupid subjective selection committees?


because some conferences suck balls. big sweaty donkey balls... that's why! hell if every conference has a seat why wouldn't texas create the "longhorn conference?" texas plus whatever the number of cupcakes were needed to qualify as a conference and pay the pansies off for being their biatch.
 
2012-06-21 12:02:42 AM
Wow, this thread took a turn.
 
2012-06-21 12:08:21 AM

robsul82: Wow, this thread took a turn.


I know. Why do these discussions always have to end up being a shiat slinging contest? Is a civil conversation that foreign of a concept?
 
2012-06-21 12:11:51 AM

steamingpile: Slow To Return: pretty sure the other conferences screamed bloody murder when it was only 2 teams from the SEC fighting it out for the championship...

Again the two best teams played, lets not act like OkSt would have won against either team


i wanted them to have their shot, if the sec is that good let all comers get their ass beat. bama had theirs and farked it up, but then again i'm low down, i'm dirty, and as always fark bama.
 
2012-06-21 12:15:32 AM

Slow To Return: Why Would I Read the Article: Sweet. I look forward to it being three SEC teams and whichever Big Ten team that didn't play a single difficult game all season and ends up 10-1 vying for the national championship. This'll be great!

I guess you missed this part of the article:

"Sources told ESPN.com that under the recommended model, four participating teams would be selected by a committee, which would consider certain criteria such as conference championships and strength of schedule television ratings and fan draw."

Thanks, Bama!!


The only time a committee should get involved is if there is a tie for the #4 spot in the polls.
 
2012-06-21 12:15:45 AM

Slow To Return: steamingpile: I am supposed to be in shock over people I have never met for weeks? Sorry call me cold or callous but if I have no connection then I dont care, life happens, get over it.

Were you even alive on September 11, 2001?


You are comparing a national disaster to 4 people who cant drive for shiat? Way to make your point even less relevant.

A Fark Handle: because some conferences suck balls. big sweaty donkey balls... that's why! hell if every conference has a seat why wouldn't texas create the "longhorn conference?" texas plus whatever the number of cupcakes were needed to qualify as a conference and pay the pansies off for being their biatch.


I love idiots who think that C-USA and other shiat conferences deserve an automatic bid to a playoff.
 
2012-06-21 12:17:06 AM

A Fark Handle: meanmutton: 11 conferences, 11 team playoff. Win your conference, go to the playoffs. Don't win your conference, go to a bowl game. Why the fark does everyone want to keep the stupid subjective selection committees?

because some conferences suck balls. big sweaty donkey balls... that's why! hell if every conference has a seat why wouldn't texas create the "longhorn conference?" texas plus whatever the number of cupcakes were needed to qualify as a conference and pay the pansies off for being their biatch.


Just say ACC if you mean the ACC.
 
2012-06-21 12:21:49 AM
I think 8 teams is the sweet spot. The odds that the 9th team in the country is really the best are fairly slim. You don't need to add 9-16, that just increases the risk of injury to the best teams. Plus an 8 team playoff only adds three more games total, two on the weekend after the usual BCS bowls and one the following. But move up the bowl schedule one week.
 
2012-06-21 12:23:06 AM
As long as there aren't 5 undefeated teams, I won't be complaining.
 
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