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2012-06-20 09:01:51 PM
I'm.
OK with this.
 
2012-06-20 09:03:06 PM
Damn. And I thought America was hardcore for killing you in your sleep on Christmas.

The Chinese will climb the tallest, most unforgiving mountainscape in the world to beat your ass.
 
2012-06-20 09:06:49 PM
Yeah there's a few people who need to go have a nice fall into the nearest crevasse.
 
2012-06-20 09:07:56 PM

vudukungfu: I'm.
OK with this.


I would be, if the guy wasnt like me. A cheap bastard trying to do something only rich people do by any means necessary. fark rich people.
 
2012-06-20 09:08:39 PM

BronyMedic: most unforgiving mountainscape in the world


If they were climbing Annapurna they Nepalese government might have some words for them.
 
2012-06-20 09:11:10 PM
If the guys from the Tibetan Mountaineering Guide School were actually from Tibet, I bet they gave him the side order of whoopass because he was not only dodging the fee, but he was a Han dodging the fee. There's not a lot of brotherly love between the Tibetans and the Hans, for obvious reasons.
 
2012-06-20 09:13:40 PM
Because he was there?
 
2012-06-20 09:21:35 PM
If I risked my neck at 25000+ feet to fix ropes ahead of my paying customers, and somebody was trying to mooch, I'd be pissed too.
 
2012-06-20 09:22:02 PM
FTA: It was absolutely unnecessary as he was offering no resistance and was scared out of his mind.

Terrified at 25,000 feet? Maybe he saw a Gremlin on the wing...or worse: a Pacer.
 
2012-06-20 09:22:16 PM
kinda surprised things like this haven't happened before( at least public knowledge wiise) It's becoming a more crowded environment, different people from different cultures, tempers, harsh surroundings, booze at base camp. From everything I've read or seen, it's such a chore to even stumble around above 25k feet, let alone use to extra engergy to thrash someone. Little shove here and there, I can see.

Dragonblink: If the guys from the Tibetan Mountaineering Guide School were actually from Tibet, I bet they gave him the side order of whoopass because he was not only dodging the fee, but he was a Han dodging the fee. There's not a lot of brotherly love between the Tibetans and the Hans, for obvious reasons.


The article mentioned growing tenstions on the Tibet side, I wonder if the North Route may eventually be closed again?
 
2012-06-20 09:23:08 PM
Whatever glory or honor there was on Everest is totally gone. It's like going to Pirates of the Caribbean and claiming you're a sailor.
 
2012-06-20 09:23:36 PM
Free Tibet!
 
2012-06-20 09:23:55 PM

BronyMedic: Damn. And I thought America was hardcore for killing you in your sleep on Christmas.

The Chinese will climb the tallest, most unforgiving mountainscape in the world to beat your ass.


Nope. TFA, says native Tibetans will climb the tallest most unforgiving mountainscape in the world to beat Chinese ass.
 
2012-06-20 09:25:01 PM
UFC - Mount Everest Edition. Watch us make a mountain from a molehill!
 
2012-06-20 09:26:03 PM
9beers: Chinese authorities?

Yeah, it doesn't look like you and I read the same article as subby.
 
2012-06-20 09:26:35 PM
They should start dragging their balls dipped in oxygen.
 
2012-06-20 09:28:13 PM

BronyMedic: Damn. And I thought America was hardcore for killing you in your sleep on Christmas.

The Chinese will climb the tallest, most unforgiving mountainscape in the world to beat your ass.


The mountain with the biggest tits in the world.

/start over
 
2012-06-20 09:33:17 PM
Sir, your lawn is very tall

/I will get off of it now
 
2012-06-20 09:33:59 PM

orclover: I would be, if the guy wasnt like me. A cheap bastard trying to do something only rich people do by any means necessary. fark rich people.


Actually mountain climbers have been known to get creative with permits. Like the permit to climb K2 says you can climb lower mountains to get acclimated to altitude and work out your gear and all that. Well, within a fairly short walk of K2 are Broad Peak, and Gasherbrum I and II, which are also over 8,000 meters tall. But per the letter of the permit, since they're lower than K2, you can climb them with your K2 permit. So far two professional climbers are known to have used this loophole to climb Gasherbrum I on the cheap. And there's no reason to think others haven't done the same, they just haven't admitted it yet.

Also it brings up an interesting question, Lhotse, the world's fourth tallest mountain abuts Everest, indeed the most common route up Lhotse starts on one of the main routes up Everest, then up towards the top you go right to get to the top of Lhotse instead of left to get to the top of Everest. Even though they're right next to each other, they have separate permits. The permit for Lhotse is a bunch cheaper, at least if you're getting a Nepalese permit, than for Everest. Since on the main route there's no way to tell where someone is climbing until they're on the summit push, what if someone decided to for Everest but had just a Lhotse permit? Also, though it's never even been attempted let alone done, what if someone summits Everest then just goes down a couple camps for a few nights then summits Lhotse? Or the real big one, what if they summit Everest, head down where the routes diverge and summits Lhotse with a permit for just Everest or just Lhotse? I mean, would you really want to stir up a ruckus for one of the greatest feats in the history of mountain climbing?
 
2012-06-20 09:37:04 PM

dumbgai: If I risked my neck at 25000+ feet to fix ropes ahead of my paying customers, and somebody was trying to mooch, I'd be pissed too.


The ropes are fixed for the use of any climber who comes up the mountain, these particular rope fixers don't work for any of the tour operators, they basically work to make sure there are good fixed ropes in place which makes things easier for everyone who goes up the mountain. Well, there's a few climbers who take issue with putting fixed ropes all over the place, but that's another issue.
 
2012-06-20 09:38:02 PM
FARK in Curacao.

/Boobies?
 
2012-06-20 09:42:04 PM
 
2012-06-20 09:42:06 PM

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2012-06-20 09:42:07 PM
Well, I've heard thru the grapevine that Tibetans have a extreme distaste for anyone Chinese. So I could understand why they beat and humiliated the guy while marching him down the mountain.
 
2012-06-20 09:44:08 PM
Chimbo is Jivaro for Throne of Master/God resulting in Icethrone of God.
Too bad you don't speak Jivaro, Meester Jones.
 
2012-06-20 09:44:46 PM

WhyteRaven74: dumbgai: If I risked my neck at 25000+ feet to fix ropes ahead of my paying customers, and somebody was trying to mooch, I'd be pissed too.

The ropes are fixed for the use of any climber who comes up the mountain, these particular rope fixers don't work for any of the tour operators, they basically work to make sure there are good fixed ropes in place which makes things easier for everyone who goes up the mountain. Well, there's a few climbers who take issue with putting fixed ropes all over the place, but that's another issue.


Do they take issue with handicapped parking spaces as well?
/They're just gonna ride their motorized wheel chairs up the mountain/through the parking lot anyways.
 
2012-06-20 09:46:41 PM

9beers: Yes they do, they work for the Tibet Himalaya Expedition Company, who in turn, hire them out for expeditions.


From TFA "who were working as rope fixers on behalf of all the other commercial expeditions", in other words, they were putting up ropes for anyone who was going to climb that particular route. They're paid by the commercial operators, but they don't put up ropes for just one operation to use, that's not even really possible. And on a mountain a fixed rope is a fixed rope.
 
2012-06-20 09:47:07 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: .
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No oil, friend, sadly.

The amount of war over resources...you'd think we'd fight over mind and peace too, perhaps.

Doesn't make enough short-term money, I guess.

Sad state of affairs, really.

So goes the human?

P.S. Stacks=slacks? I say no. NO!
 
2012-06-20 09:48:47 PM
BronyMedic

most unforgiving mountainscape

Everest is the highest sure but I would disagree with the most unforgiving. Annapurna kills the most people (these are actually skilled climbers unlike Everest), Nanga Parbat offers up some of the biggest precipices (14000 ft.) K2 is further north and subject to far worse storms than Everest....Denali........Gasherbrum IV....

They should beat each and every single person on the peak that thinks it's OK to shiat all over a sacred place and ascend in the absolutely poorest style imaginable....f*ck all of them.
Then remove all the ladders and fixed rope and trash.

Then let people climb it for free only if they leave no trace, that would weed out the riff-raff.

Think of it this way. Go to a national park like Yosemite. Leave piles of gear, shiat, ropes, trash, etc...You will go to jail after you clean it up. Why is this OK to do in other places?
Why do people who do this on Everest think it's OK? Do they explain this part of their ascent when they're spraying about how rad they are?
 
2012-06-20 09:51:24 PM
See this is why the Chinese are beating America. American authorities would have waited until the guy came down the mountain, not the Chinese. They will beat your ass at 25,000 feet then march you back down the mountain.
 
2012-06-20 09:51:58 PM

New Age Redneck: BronyMedic

most unforgiving mountainscape

Everest is the highest sure but I would disagree with the most unforgiving. Annapurna kills the most people (these are actually skilled climbers unlike Everest), Nanga Parbat offers up some of the biggest precipices (14000 ft.) K2 is further north and subject to far worse storms than Everest....Denali........Gasherbrum IV....

They should beat each and every single person on the peak that thinks it's OK to shiat all over a sacred place and ascend in the absolutely poorest style imaginable....f*ck all of them.
Then remove all the ladders and fixed rope and trash.

Then let people climb it for free only if they leave no trace, that would weed out the riff-raff.

Think of it this way. Go to a national park like Yosemite. Leave piles of gear, shiat, ropes, trash, etc...You will go to jail after you clean it up. Why is this OK to do in other places?
Why do people who do this on Everest think it's OK? Do they explain this part of their ascent when they're spraying about how rad they are?


Agreed.

Most of my footprints don't exist anymore, and they never will either...;)
 
2012-06-20 09:52:45 PM

ongbok: See this is why the Chinese are beating America. American authorities would have waited until the guy came down the mountain, not the Chinese. They will beat your ass at 25,000 feet then march you back down the mountain.


And this fulfills human destiny how?
 
2012-06-20 09:55:29 PM
WTF they charge people to climb a farking mountain now? This is news to me... and who owns the mountain? And what justification do they have to charge you $25,000? Do they actually perform maintenance and stuff on it or are they charging money for nothing?

A damn permit is required to do anything now, oh, walking down the sidewalk with no sidewalk permit $100 please,
/old man yells at cloud
 
2012-06-20 09:57:20 PM
Another good reason to never fight asians in a land war.
 
2012-06-20 09:57:32 PM
yes, that would be bad, if that was what had happened.

/the guy who got beaten was chinese, so i guess that confused tard-mitter...
 
2012-06-20 09:58:10 PM

New Age Redneck: Denali..


Denali does have worse weather but I wouldn't say it's less forgiving. Certainly not given how many people manage to climb it each year. Also the much lower altitude helps.

New Age Redneck: Then remove all the ladders and fixed rope and trash.


To be fair, there have been ladders on Everest for ages, even back 30 plus years ago when it was just actual climbers making the climb, they'd leave ladders behind. Granted each successive climber after would have to decide if the ladder was safe since it could be days, weeks, or many months since it was last used. Course it's why I love reading about solo ascents, like Messener's, he left no rope behind because he didn't take any.
 
2012-06-20 10:01:42 PM

Dragonblink: There's not a lot of brotherly love between the Tibetans and the Hans, for obvious reasons.


Tibetans and Chinese don't get along? Who knew?
 
2012-06-20 10:03:20 PM

Dragonblink: If the guys from the Tibetan Mountaineering Guide School were actually from Tibet, I bet they gave him the side order of whoopass because he was not only dodging the fee, but he was a Han dodging the fee. There's not a lot of brotherly love between the Tibetans and the Hans, for obvious reasons.


The Hans always shoot first?
 
2012-06-20 10:03:24 PM

vudukungfu: I'm.
OK with this.


Probably because you're too much of a pussy to beat another human being by yourself.
That's how it usually works.
 
2012-06-20 10:09:05 PM

moefuggenbrew: WTF they charge people to climb a farking mountain now?


They've been doing it for ages. And the permits have gotten very expensive. At least for Everest. I know the Nepalese charge a lot less for the permits for the other big Himalayan mountains that are at least part in Nepal. Not sure what the Chinese charge for them. But in any case it's more by a bunch than the Pakistanis charge for a permit up one of the big mountains in the Karakoram range, where K2 is. Granted the mountains there tend to be a bit tougher than their Nepalese/Chinese counterparts, save for Annapurna, and they're also a lot more remote, so not exactly somewhere commercial operators are going to be getting big crowds for. K2 is just off the table as far as something tour operators could take people up, Gasherbrum I is too, and most would say Gasherbrum II is too. Which leaves Broad Peak, which owing the fact it has no public awarenes, isn't something you're going to find people willing to part with a lot of money to get guided up.
 
2012-06-20 10:12:28 PM

Begoggle: Probably because you're too much of a pussy to beat another human being by yourself.


Or I've climbed Chimbo.
Again. Too bad you dont' speak Jivaro, Mr. Jones.
 
2012-06-20 10:16:33 PM

vudukungfu: Begoggle: Probably because you're too much of a pussy to beat another human being by yourself.

Or I've climbed Chimbo.
Again. Too bad you dont' speak Jivaro, Mr. Jones.


I'm not sure what this is, but I'm pretty sure I don't like it...;)
 
2012-06-20 10:16:36 PM

WhyteRaven74: though it's never even been attempted let alone done, what if someone summits Everest then just goes down a couple camps for a few nights then summits Lhotse?


Whadda ya mean? Of course this has been attempted, and accomplished.
Boukreev did it solo, and then soon after tried to link the whole traverse, w/ partners.
Probably others too.
 
2012-06-20 10:24:01 PM

Happy Idiot: WhyteRaven74: though it's never even been attempted let alone done, what if someone summits Everest then just goes down a couple camps for a few nights then summits Lhotse?

Whadda ya mean? Of course this has been attempted, and accomplished.
Boukreev did it solo, and then soon after tried to link the whole traverse, w/ partners.
Probably others too.


Somebody did it last year, both summits in something like 24 hours. Pretty sure Ed Veisturs did it when he was knocking the '8000ers' off two at a time.
 
2012-06-20 10:25:37 PM
 
2012-06-20 10:27:06 PM

BronyMedic: The Chinese will climb the tallest, most unforgiving mountainscape in the world to beat your ass.


China is like the United States Postal Service of civil repression. Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays their cudgels...
 
2012-06-20 10:28:07 PM
Never trust a Han solo.
 
2012-06-20 10:28:28 PM

Indubitably: And this fulfills human destiny how?


Maybe that is human destiny. A boot stomping on a human face forever, etc.
 
2012-06-20 10:28:59 PM

Happy Idiot: Whadda ya mean? Of course this has been attempted, and accomplished.


I actually went to look up Everest Lhotse traverse after my post, and saw that last year Michael Horst, summited Everest and then 21 hours later was on the summit of Lhotse. How I missed this, I don't know, I check what's going on with various climbing stuff every so often and given this was a year ago, should've heard of it. Now to see how long until someone does it again. And does it without having sherpas fix ropes on Lhotse ahead of time, and say, does the whole thing solo and/or without supplemental oxygen.
 
2012-06-20 10:29:25 PM

Pvt Joker: Worst: Dying of High Altitude Flatus Expulsion (HAFE)


Of note, it is the person on the ropes immediately behind the HAFEr that dies.
 
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