LaraAmber: It's highly recommended for women who have problems maintaining a milk supply (one a day, not 12).

Hell yes. A little hops in the boobage, the kids sleep better, the mom gets some damn rest, and her body can make some milk.

I was born and raised in France. My mother drank wine throughout her pregnancy with me. In moderation. It is pretty common in France to see a pregnant woman with a glass of wine at dinner. I did not come out deformed and I can count using numbers and not potatoes. I am pregnant with my second child and although I do not drink a glass of wine with dinner every night I do have a half of glass two to three times a week. I did this with my first child and everything came out fine with him.
Here is a small list of other things that are horrible for pregnant women to do while pregnant:

1. Don't Eat peanut butter in the third trimester (SMALL chance of your kid having a peanut allergy)
2. Eliminate fish from your diet because of the small chance there may be mercury in it. (better chance of getting hit by lightning)
3. Don't eat sprouts (MAY have a harmful bacteria)
4. No soft cheeses
5. No deli meats or lunch meats. No hotdogs
6. No sushia
t. Stay away from cats and their litter box
8. Try not to pump your own gas.

Sasquach: SuburbanCowboy: Why chance it? Do you really need a drink that bad? I love beer, but if I were a woman, and I knew that there was even a slight risk involved, you can bet your ass I would wait the 9 months to imbibe.

I guess I'm the only person on board with the "dude, restrain yourself just a little bit for 9 months" opinion. I'd cease drinking during that time as well if it made things easier on my wife...

/why so much OMG OPRESSING WOMYN for this comment?...

I gave up alcohol and caffeine when my ex was pregnant with both kiddos to support her.

Maybe this could also help a pregnant lady control her raging bitach hormones.

pdee: Straight from the no shait sherlock institute.

THIS is why I have government sticking thier nose into people's personal habits. What we think we know all too often turns out to be wrong.

/see eugenics

How did the government ever really do that, though?

Its legal to drink while pregnant. In fact its illegal to discriminate and not serve a pregnant woman.

And I imagine the no-shiat sherlock institute still acknowledge that FAS exists right?

Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

RoyHobbs22: Maybe this could also help a pregnant lady control her raging bitach hormones.

biatch, not bitach.

RoyHobbs22: RoyHobbs22: Maybe this could also help a pregnant lady control her raging bitach hormones.

biatch, not bitach.

"I got filter pwnd? Double Down!"

Isn't that how alot of the problem started to begin with?

Tellingthem: ordinarysteve: When my mum was pregnant, the doctor actually suggested moderate amounts of Guinness to help her put on some weight. I have a hard time counting to potato but I was a healthy weight when born.

I swear I saw an old ad once about drinking guinness while pregnant for the Iron or something like that. I've been trying to find it but failing so far.

Not Guiness, but how about this. (possibly nsfw - painting of exposed boobage)

Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

Ugh, yes. All my law school friends who've had babies drank non-alcoholic beer before announcing their pregnancies - because any female lawyer without a drink in her hand is presumed to be pregnant :) Guys are just assumed to be recovering alcoholics.

One of my friends kept drinking the stuff even after she was showing. Got a ton of crap for drinking "beer" with her giant belly. Good thing she's a kick-ass litigator. The people who thought it was their business to tell a pregnant lady what to do were swiftly disabused of that notion - and probably shamed into never leaving the house again.

Sasquach: I guess I'm the only person on board with the "dude, restrain yourself just a little bit for 9 months" opinion. I'd cease drinking during that time as well if it made things easier on my wife...

Here's the thing: pregnancy can be stressful at times (for both the mother and father). Now, alcohol- say whatever else you will about it- generally serves to relax those who drink it, at least in the short term. It's kind of the point.

It's easy to make a blanket statement like "restrain yourself for 9 months", but then consider the question: what's worse for the developing child? Mother having an occasional drink? Or mother having increases stress hormones, adrenalin, etc...? I'm going to guess that moms who have a glass or two of wine per week while pregnant tend to have healthier babies than teetotallers. At least, that makes sense to me.

I'm talking once pregnancy has been fully established. I have it on good authority that a quantity of margaritas leads to successful conception.

Lunaville: Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

Thank GOD you're here!! There were people making their own decisions based on "scientific evidence" in here! Hurry up and get in there!! Tell them stuff, culled from your own vast medical knowledge!!

Whew, that was close. Here are your orders, Lunaville. You're off to Texas this time. We just got wind that a pregnant chick just ordered.. *dun dun DUNNN* the SUSHI!! There's no time to lose. Fly, Lunaville, FLY!!

Smackledorfer: In fact its illegal to discriminate and not serve a pregnant woman.

*sniff* *sniff*... yeah, that smells like bull.

SuburbanCowboy: Why chance it? Do you really need a drink that bad? I love beer, but if I were a woman, and I knew that there was even a slight risk involved, you can bet your ass I would wait the 9 months to imbibe.

Think about this, though: you are already supposed to limit your intake of so many things: no deli meats (listeria), no soft cheeses (listeria), limited fish (mercury), and no more than one cup of coffee's worth of caffeine a day (miscarriage). That's coke, coffee, chocolate, sushi, and wine all on the restriction list.

And the whole time, your body is doing a wonderful job of making you miserable.

A little wine every once in a while seems entirely deserved.

Sasquach:

/hot


Huh.

Given that FAS is the leading cause of mental retardation in the Western world, perhaps we could have a little less "take THAT, Gubbament!" and a little more "well, let's err on the side of caution"?

Maybe?

The interesting thing (to me) is that you can be FAS and not have the morphological characteristics of FAS. Say the chronic alcoholic has a hangover and doesn't drink on a few days, the face looks fine but the brain looks like swiss cheese.

And for those saying "why risk it." I am willing to bet that an occasional glass of beer or wine, the risk is essentially zero. If someone enjoys an occasional glass of beer or wine, why not allow them to have it. I look down on women that drive in a car when they're pregnant and judge them as being unfit mothers. WAAAAY more risk involved in that than them eating fish, peanuts, wine etc... Stupid pregnant women drivers. Stay off the road fatties.

rogue_L_chick: Lunaville: Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

Thank GOD you're here!! There were people making their own decisions based on "scientific evidence" in here! Hurry up and get in there!! Tell them stuff, culled from your own vast medical knowledge!!

Whew, that was close. Here are your orders, Lunaville. You're off to Texas this time. We just got wind that a pregnant chick just ordered.. *dun dun DUNNN* the SUSHI!! There's no time to lose. Fly, Lunaville, FLY!!

Wait wait..

I would like to draw the attention of the thread to the above bolded statement. If Alcohol has been proven safe in moderate amounts(including occasional binge drinking), yet science says it's more harmful than cocaine..

IT SOUNDS LIKE PREGNANT WOMEN CAN PARTAYYYYY!!!! My house.. Saturday.. All preggy's no fatties. You will be tested!

Colour_out_of_Space: Bottoms up?
That's how they ended up in this situation to begin with!

I'm up the bottom of a pregnant woman right now so I'm getting a kick...

I think the problem with 'moderate' drinking is that the more some people drink, the less moderate they become.

Lunaville: Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

Mind your own business. For all you know she's drinking a Shirley Temple. Or she just learned the kid has no brain and is doing those tequila shots in anticipation of her upcoming abortion (hell, if I was a pregnant lady and some stranger gave me shiat for drinking, I'd burst into tears and claim that was exactly what's going on. That would pretty much immediately solve the busybody problem. Probably bad karma, though.)

Or she's just an irresponsible coont. Still not your business.

I was under the impression it was the timing of alcohol consumption more than the quantity that mattered.

LaraAmber: Gonz: Tellingthem: I swear I saw an old ad once about drinking guinness while pregnant for the Iron or something like that. I've been trying to find it but failing so far.

I don't know about an ad, but I do know that from a nutritional standpoint, a Guinness is pretty much the best post-partum beverage imaginable for a new mother.

It's highly recommended for women who have problems maintaining a milk supply (one a day, not 12).

Yes, hot, never refrigerated Guinness is consumed to assist milk let down. This consumption, presumably, happens after the baby is born. With my first child, every lactation nurse in the entire ever-loving city went to some lactation convention in another state. I was stuck with nurses that were hard core bottle feeders. They kept taking my baby, right when I was going to feed, and giving the baby a bottle. Then, they lied about it. Fortunately, the lady I roomed with was breastfeeding her second child and her husband spent most of the day at the hospital. He would jump in the conversation shouting "How dare you lie to the parents? I saw you feed that baby a bottle!"

My roommate was from China. It turned out she lived walking distance from me. I was still worried about milk supply when the baby and I were discharged especially since the hospital staff had worked so hard to undermine my efforts. She and her mother came over with a six pack of Guinness and told me to drink a hot one each night with dinner. Mind you, I don't even like beer. They also brought what must have been seven gallons of octopus broth. I was instructed to drink huge quantities of the octopus broth. Two nights after their visit, I woke up with milk pouring out of my body. The sheets were soaked. The baby couldn't drink it all. It was every where. My husband was freaking out, saying "My G-d, make it stop." I breast fed that baby and a baby I subsequently adopted: one to age five and the other to age four.

So, yeah I'm not totally against all alcohol consumption.

I Love Rooster: t. Stay away from cats and their litter box

My understanding of that is for women who are newly exposed. If it's an indoor only cat, it's unlike to carry the toxoplasmosis parasite. If you've been taking care of it for years, you've likely already been exposed and are immune. It's also considered a reasonable risk during pregnancy if you wear plastic gloves and a face mask while cleaning the litterbox and scrub your hands when you're done.

The bigger risk is for women who garden and come across it in the soil from feral cats.

/Did find it cute that in Sims 2 if your female Sim was pregnant she wasn't able to clean the litterbox. It either got really stinky or you had another household member scoop it.

Lunaville: LaraAmber: Gonz: Tellingthem: I swear I saw an old ad once about drinking guinness while pregnant for the Iron or something like that. I've been trying to find it but failing so far.

I don't know about an ad, but I do know that from a nutritional standpoint, a Guinness is pretty much the best post-partum beverage imaginable for a new mother.

It's highly recommended for women who have problems maintaining a milk supply (one a day, not 12).

Yes, hot, never refrigerated Guinness is consumed to assist milk let down. This consumption, presumably, happens after the baby is born. With my first child, every lactation nurse in the entire ever-loving city went to some lactation convention in another state. I was stuck with nurses that were hard core bottle feeders. They kept taking my baby, right when I was going to feed, and giving the baby a bottle. Then, they lied about it. Fortunately, the lady I roomed with was breastfeeding her second child and her husband spent most of the day at the hospital. He would jump in the conversation shouting "How dare you lie to the parents? I saw you feed that baby a bottle!"

My roommate was from China. It turned out she lived walking distance from me. I was still worried about milk supply when the baby and I were discharged especially since the hospital staff had worked so hard to undermine my efforts. She and her mother came over with a six pack of Guinness and told me to drink a hot one each night with dinner. Mind you, I don't even like beer. They also brought what must have been seven gallons of octopus broth. I was instructed to drink huge quantities of the octopus broth. Two nights after their visit, I woke up with milk pouring out of my body. The sheets were soaked. The baby couldn't drink it all. It was every where. My husband was freaking out, saying "My G-d, make it stop." I breast fed that baby and a baby I subsequently adopted: one to age five and the other to age four.

So, yeah I'm not totally against all alcohol consumpt ...

Does octopus broth taste good?

rogue_L_chick: Lunaville: Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

Thank GOD you're here!! There were people making their own decisions based on "scientific evidence" in here! Hurry up and get in there!! Tell them stuff, culled from your own vast medical knowledge!!

Whew, that was close. Here are your orders, Lunaville. You're off to Texas this time. We just got wind that a pregnant chick just ordered.. *dun dun DUNNN* the SUSHI!! There's no time to lose. Fly, Lunaville, FLY!!

Eh, call me when you meet a child with Fetal Sushi Syndrome.

i'm sure we'll hear lots of studies going back and fourth on this issue. one day they say one thing, next day another.

I think i'd prefer my wife use the common-sense perspective and stay away from the stuff while she's pregnant.

rogue_L_chick: Lunaville: Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

Thank GOD you're here!! There were people making their own decisions based on "scientific evidence" in here! Hurry up and get in there!! Tell them stuff, culled from your own vast medical knowledge!!

Whew, that was close. Here are your orders, Lunaville. You're off to Texas this time. We just got wind that a pregnant chick just ordered.. *dun dun DUNNN* the SUSHI!! There's no time to lose. Fly, Lunaville, FLY!!


I will name my child after you. Wow...that was just amazing. I see a lot of people throwing around the fetal alcohol syndrome card around. However, isn't the article speaking about MODERATE drinking? Not Lindsay Lohan level of drinking? If you are chugging a bottle of wine/liquor down every night you may have a problem even if you were not pregnant. Studies done in the USA on drinking and pregnancy were very black and white. They compared someone who abstained from all drinking to someone who went on a bender every night. This study covers the gray area and turns out its not all that bad. I can also say that I have never met a mother who was a moderate wine drinker while pregnant that has had any trouble with their child's development. I include myself in this also.

LaraAmber: Lunaville: LaraAmber: Gonz: Tellingthem: I swear I saw an old ad once about drinking guinness while pregnant for the Iron or something like that. I've been trying to find it but failing so far.

I don't know about an ad, but I do know that from a nutritional standpoint, a Guinness is pretty much the best post-partum beverage imaginable for a new mother.

It's highly recommended for women who have problems maintaining a milk supply (one a day, not 12).

Yes, hot, never refrigerated Guinness is consumed to assist milk let down. This consumption, presumably, happens after the baby is born. With my first child, every lactation nurse in the entire ever-loving city went to some lactation convention in another state. I was stuck with nurses that were hard core bottle feeders. They kept taking my baby, right when I was going to feed, and giving the baby a bottle. Then, they lied about it. Fortunately, the lady I roomed with was breastfeeding her second child and her husband spent most of the day at the hospital. He would jump in the conversation shouting "How dare you lie to the parents? I saw you feed that baby a bottle!"

My roommate was from China. It turned out she lived walking distance from me. I was still worried about milk supply when the baby and I were discharged especially since the hospital staff had worked so hard to undermine my efforts. She and her mother came over with a six pack of Guinness and told me to drink a hot one each night with dinner. Mind you, I don't even like beer. They also brought what must have been seven gallons of octopus broth. I was instructed to drink huge quantities of the octopus broth. Two nights after their visit, I woke up with milk pouring out of my body. The sheets were soaked. The baby couldn't drink it all. It was every where. My husband was freaking out, saying "My G-d, make it stop." I breast fed that baby and a baby I subsequently adopted: one to age five and the other to age four.

So, yeah I'm not totally against all alcoh ...

Not really, but it wasn't quite repulsive. It was just fishy and salty.

Lunaville: rogue_L_chick: Lunaville: Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

Thank GOD you're here!! There were people making their own decisions based on "scientific evidence" in here! Hurry up and get in there!! Tell them stuff, culled from your own vast medical knowledge!!

Whew, that was close. Here are your orders, Lunaville. You're off to Texas this time. We just got wind that a pregnant chick just ordered.. *dun dun DUNNN* the SUSHI!! There's no time to lose. Fly, Lunaville, FLY!!

Eh, call me when you meet a child with Fetal Sushi Syndrome.

Pregnant women are told to abstain from eating sushi. Also on the list: deli meats, soft cheese, unpasturized milk, cheese and juice, sprouts, large fish...etc etc etc...it goes on and on and on depending on what country you are from.

Tellingthem: ordinarysteve: When my mum was pregnant, the doctor actually suggested moderate amounts of Guinness to help her put on some weight. I have a hard time counting to potato but I was a healthy weight when born.

I swear I saw an old ad once about drinking guinness while pregnant for the Iron or something like that. I've been trying to find it but failing so far.

yeah, its guiness or risk fetal spinach syndrome.

Nothin gets me harder than a drunk n pregnant woman

Lot of PC in this here thread. And whatever else "they" tell us is right for our bodies and minds.

Here's my story. My wife got a tattoo on her right arm after 6 months being knocked up and wouldn't ya know it, when the kid popped, the tattoo was on his left arm and BACKWARDS! The colors weren't even close to right.

/They didn't tell us that during the Lamaze stuff.

//He does like a dip of chew though. Takes after his daddy!

I think I have an idea for a new maternity t-shirt:

Unless you are a practicing midwife, pediatrician, or OB-GYN, shut the fark up.

I Love Rooster: rogue_L_chick: Lunaville: Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

I know I sure as hell would have something to say about it. Is there anyone, anywhere who has not met someone who suffered permanent, life-long damage because Mom couldn't delay cocktail hour by a few months? I mean, the woman will have the entire, rest of her life to drink. If a woman can't delay getting slushed for the few months of her pregnancy, maybe she should admit that she has a problem. Also, wasn't there an article on this very site just yesterday indicating that maternal alcohol consumption is more dangerous than cocaine to a developing fetus? Or did I read that somewhere else?

Thank GOD you're here!! There were people making their own decisions based on "scientific evidence" in here! Hurry up and get in there!! Tell them stuff, culled from your own vast medical knowledge!!

Whew, that was close. Here are your orders, Lunaville. You're off to Texas this time. We just got wind that a pregnant chick just ordered.. *dun dun DUNNN* the SUSHI!! There's no time to lose. Fly, Lunaville, FLY!!


I will name my child after you. Wow...that was just amazing. I see a lot of people throwing around the fetal alcohol syndrome card around. However, isn't the article speaking about MODERATE drinking? Not Lindsay Lohan level of drinking? If you are chugging a bottle of wine/liquor down every night you may have a problem even if you were not pregnant. Studies done in the USA on drinking and pregnancy were very black and white. They compared someone who abstained from all drinking to someone who went on a bender every night. This study covers the gray area and turns out its not all that bad. I can also say that I have never met a mother who was a moderate wine drinker while pregnant that has had any trouble with their child's development. I include myself in this also.

This is exactly what I am trying to say. I cannot imagine what possesses someone to think they have all the facts, that they know the situation fore and aft - enough to lecture a stranger in public. It's ill-mannered, and frankly ignorant. You have no idea of a woman's habits outside of the 2 seconds you saw her hand around a suspicious liquid in a cafe and you think you have the right to call her a child abuser??

I honestly think that this method of thinking only in absolute terms and uninformed, reactionary behavior does more to retard your child's total development than the half a stout I might have with my dinner.

/actually pretty glad I couldn't even taste beer without hurling while knocked up. The hormone-fueled rages would have been waaaaay too stressful on my body and my kid.

MAYORBOB: Okay for that research. Now, who is going to look into the effects of bath salts ingestion on pregnant moms? Will she eat the face off her new born baby or off her anesthesiologist?

There's a joke about "eating for two" in here somewhere...

that NPR blog is...unfortunately named with the context of this article :|


/SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHO SHO SHOTS EEEEVERYBOOOODY!

Andromeda: Odds that a woman will still be judged for having an occasional drink while pregnant- 100%

and we're done here.

but. they have to pet. terist tase and clothes for the bit

You can kill it with no problem, what's the issue with a couple drinks?

bulok: Nothin gets me harder than a drunk n pregnant woman

YUK!! (to both)