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2012-06-20 11:11:22 AM
Dooooom, DOOOOOOM I SAY! Are you pickin' up the DOOOOM yet?
 
2012-06-20 11:16:49 AM
Everybody saw this coming when Microsoft acquired Acme Tech in 2010
 
2012-06-20 11:19:33 AM
Microsoft is the new IBM.
 
2012-06-20 11:22:07 AM
Well, I think it's SEEMS a bit outrageous to predict doom for Microsoft, their latest news seems to indicate they are going full retard, WAY beyond the WinMetro crap.... they are looking to alienate PC vendors by hopping into the (exclusive) hardware business, looking to turn into Apple (circa 1998). That won't end well.

If I had to guess, I think Balmer and the board have discovered Bath Salts and Incense.

I can't think of any other reason fro this insanity. Microsoft has incredible revenue generating from the sale of laptops and desktops, as well as their biggest cash cow, Enterprise IT - all of that is in danger from their attempts to muscle into the tablet and phone markets (lucrative, yes, but worth sacrificing their actual money makers?).

Balmer: You are not Steve Jobs. You do not enjoy Brand Cult Status. Slapping a Windows logo on a turd will not create miles-long lines of hipsters waiting to buy WinMetro Tablets on release day. Turning your backs on the Enterprise market is about the dumbest thing you could ever do.

Just installed WinMetro "Release Preview" on a virtual today... vistart still works to get back something resembling a Start button... but the damn thing forced me to "confirm" my WinMetro installation via my Live account. WTF? ...and it's still butt-ugly.
 
2012-06-20 11:26:51 AM
So this didn't help?

Link
 
2012-06-20 11:27:31 AM
The author lost me here.

FTA: [Ballmer] "singlehandedly steered Microsoft out of some of the fastest growing and most lucrative tech markets (mobile music, handsets and tablets) [and] in the process he has sacrificed the growth and profits of not only his company but 'ecosystem' companies such as Dell, Hewlett Packard and even Nokia." And Microsoft's new tablet, announced this week, isn't about to be a game changer, as Hartung also argues. Indeed, the company has been trying to sell tablets since 1998.

Simultaneously steering them out of the tablet market and constantly trying to sell tablets?
 
2012-06-20 11:32:02 AM

Dick Gozinya: Microsoft is the new IBM.


And those guys aren't making any cash at all.
 
2012-06-20 11:33:24 AM
The problem Microsoft has is that PCs and Office aren't growth industries anymore. They need to branch out into mobile computing in a big way for any hope of staying relavent. Windows users aren't going anywhere no matter how badly Microsoft treats them; they're locked-in and unwilling or unable to leave. So Microsoft is free to dump a streaming pile of Metro on them while they try to figure out the tablet business.
 
2012-06-20 11:40:46 AM

Dick Gozinya: Microsoft is the new IBM.


IBM still has a huge grip on the SMB/enterprise server market. I don't think they're struggling to put food on the table.
 
2012-06-20 11:44:30 AM
I am pretty conflicted here. I have been programming in the MS world since before Windows.

One the one hand, predicting the doom of Microsoft (or Apple) is a sport as old as those companies.

On the other hand, MS does seem to have gone full retard with Windows 8.
 
2012-06-20 11:47:19 AM

Dick Gozinya: Microsoft is the new IBM.


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/derp
 
2012-06-20 11:53:01 AM
Hmmmm, that's funny. Windows 7 works fine here, and XP is always there if I don't like 7. Both great OS's, and although I don't like the direction M$ is heading, Apple is doing the same shiat. These delusional farktards think that we want to use or desktops as a touchscreen. This isn't Minority Report, we want our desktops to perform as desktops and our tablets to perform as tablets. Quit trying to merge the two, they are totally different environments, and they are going to stay that way.
 
2012-06-20 11:55:53 AM

Mikey1969: Hmmmm, that's funny. Windows 7 works fine here, and XP is always there if I don't like 7. Both great OS's, and although I don't like the direction M$ is heading, Apple is doing the same shiat. These delusional farktards think that we want to use or desktops as a touchscreen. This isn't Minority Report, we want our desktops to perform as desktops and our tablets to perform as tablets. Quit trying to merge the two, they are totally different environments, and they are going to stay that way.


i'd give it 10 years before somebody other than Microsoft or Apple successfully merges the two
 
2012-06-20 11:57:00 AM
I've been using the Windows 8 previews for a while now, and I have to say - if you don't have a touchscreen, this OS is about as worthless as you're going to find. It's a terrible fit for desktop machines.

However, with a touchscreen? They're kind of on to something here. I've also had a Windows Phone (Samsung Focus) for a year and a half, and it's the best cell phone I've ever used. I've long thought that if I could get the Windows Phone OS on a decent non-bulky tablet, I'd love it. The Surface looks like it could be my answer.

But I'll go ahead and keep Windows 7 on my desktop, thanks.
 
2012-06-20 11:57:57 AM

AdamK: Mikey1969: Hmmmm, that's funny. Windows 7 works fine here, and XP is always there if I don't like 7. Both great OS's, and although I don't like the direction M$ is heading, Apple is doing the same shiat. These delusional farktards think that we want to use or desktops as a touchscreen. This isn't Minority Report, we want our desktops to perform as desktops and our tablets to perform as tablets. Quit trying to merge the two, they are totally different environments, and they are going to stay that way.

i'd give it 10 years before somebody other than Microsoft or Apple successfully merges the two


Hell, 5.
 
2012-06-20 12:04:09 PM

Mikey1969: Hmmmm, that's funny. Windows 7 works fine here, and XP is always there if I don't like 7. Both great OS's, and although I don't like the direction M$ is heading, Apple is doing the same shiat. These delusional farktards think that we want to use or desktops as a touchscreen. This isn't Minority Report, we want our desktops to perform as desktops and our tablets to perform as tablets. Quit trying to merge the two, they are totally different environments, and they are going to stay that way.


So MS are going to build their products according to the spending habits of your average Apple obsessed hipster?? Holy fark!

/Mouse over touch screen 99999999 times out of 100000000
 
2012-06-20 12:05:25 PM

LasersHurt: i'd give it 10 years before somebody other than Microsoft or Apple successfully merges the two

Hell, 5.


What advantage could it possible give a company who has 100 desktops is a typical business enviroment?

90% of my work is done with the keyboard or my moving my mouse within a 3" radius.
 
2012-06-20 12:07:20 PM

LasersHurt: AdamK: Mikey1969: Hmmmm, that's funny. Windows 7 works fine here, and XP is always there if I don't like 7. Both great OS's, and although I don't like the direction M$ is heading, Apple is doing the same shiat. These delusional farktards think that we want to use or desktops as a touchscreen. This isn't Minority Report, we want our desktops to perform as desktops and our tablets to perform as tablets. Quit trying to merge the two, they are totally different environments, and they are going to stay that way.

i'd give it 10 years before somebody other than Microsoft or Apple successfully merges the two

Hell, 5.


I wish there were a way to place wagers on the internet, because I'd be willing to bet that you are incorrect here. Laptops, desktops, and tablets each have their own use cases. Laptops for work, tablets for casual consumption. (Yes, I'm aware that you *can* do creative things with a tablet. As a rule, though, It's more difficult, and not as powerful.) I see what Microsoft is trying to do here: look to a future like the one you are describing, where the line between tablets and laptops has disappeared. I'm just not convinced that this is filling an actual need.

Kudos to them for thinking about the problem, though. Hopefully the price will be competitive and the battery life long.

/Posted using the voice dictation capabilities on my iPad.
 
2012-06-20 12:07:43 PM

LesserEvil: but the damn thing forced me to "confirm" my WinMetro installation via my Live account.


Yes, because you hooked up your Live account to that install of Windows, it's a kind of 2 factor verification
 
2012-06-20 12:08:16 PM

gmoney101: So MS are going to build their products according to the spending habits of your average Apple obsessed hipster?? Holy fark!

/Mouse over touch screen 99999999 times out of 100000000


Windows 8 is all farked up, as far as user interface goes. They plan on you never shutting down, in fact you have to dig really deep to find the 'Power Off' option.

Yeah, at a desk, keyboard and mouse still rule. The mouse was a pretty good design concept, and has been improved over the years. That's not to say touch doesn't have potential, especially in graphics, video and sound editing, but can you imagine trying to type a word document on your screen, or on a table top with just a projected keyboard? Oh well, they'll learn their lesson eventually. Maybe Google will be the one to merge it correctly and make a merged OS, where you can choose from initial setup what kind of environment you want, that's really all it takes.
 
2012-06-20 12:09:29 PM

MugzyBrown: LasersHurt: i'd give it 10 years before somebody other than Microsoft or Apple successfully merges the two

Hell, 5.

What advantage could it possible give a company who has 100 desktops is a typical business enviroment?

90% of my work is done with the keyboard or my moving my mouse within a 3" radius.


I'm not saying they'd merge them to the point of eliminating desktop setups. I imagine non-moving setups for people who don't take their work home with them will be more like modern AIO models, convertible between touch-style-down-low and upright like a monitor for word processing, etc. Efficient, and lightweight, as an enormous amount of workload and storage will be done server-side.

Granted this is all speculation on my part. The important takeaway is I am not saying they'll get rid of stationary desktop stations, or get rid of keyboards in 5 years. But there will be a lot more human interaction focus, touch, voice, etc. as the two sort of merge.

Maybe.
 
2012-06-20 12:10:09 PM

Mikey1969: Windows 8 is all farked up, as far as user interface goes. They plan on you never shutting down, in fact you have to dig really deep to find the 'Power Off' option.


Oh yes, really deep, a whole one mouse click to find the option
 
2012-06-20 12:12:41 PM

LesserEvil: . they are looking to alienate PC vendors by hopping into the (exclusive) hardware business


What, exactly, do yo think the xbox is already?
 
2012-06-20 12:15:48 PM

Mikey1969: gmoney101: So MS are going to build their products according to the spending habits of your average Apple obsessed hipster?? Holy fark!

/Mouse over touch screen 99999999 times out of 100000000

Windows 8 is all farked up, as far as user interface goes. They plan on you never shutting down, in fact you have to dig really deep to find the 'Power Off' option.

Yeah, at a desk, keyboard and mouse still rule. The mouse was a pretty good design concept, and has been improved over the years. That's not to say touch doesn't have potential, especially in graphics, video and sound editing, but can you imagine trying to type a word document on your screen, or on a table top with just a projected keyboard? Oh well, they'll learn their lesson eventually. Maybe Google will be the one to merge it correctly and make a merged OS, where you can choose from initial setup what kind of environment you want, that's really all it takes.


Only way I could see a keyboard going away would be some super great voice to text software that's built into the PC... I could imagine something like that if everything was built into a touch screen monitor, but unless it's close to your face, how could you work on it short of always voice commands? Imagine trying to surf web pages as they're designed now with a voice only operation?
 
2012-06-20 12:17:48 PM

Dick Gozinya: Microsoft is the new IBM.


They wish. Positions in the Fortune 500 listed below. HP I included just because, like MS and IBM, it's one of those companies people assume is sucking wind, even though they're still the #1 computer manufacturer in the world.

10 Hewlett-Packard
17 Apple
19 International Business Machines
37 Microsoft

Plus, IBM's business model is pretty stable. MS is going to be down near Google's revenues (about 1/2 of where they are now) in 3 years if they keep up the Ballmer.
 
2012-06-20 12:18:58 PM
I've been running all the Win8 releases dual booting and so far, after installing Stardock's start button add on, it's faster and smoother than any other version of Windows. I don't like the full screen Metro apps, but I have two screens so it's not that bad. If they'd let me put those in a window, I'd be much happier.
 
2012-06-20 12:19:09 PM
Yes, a company that has sold 600 million copies of its operating system, has $40 billion in cash reserves, and is in the top five most valuable brands on the planet is dying.

Is everyone this stupid these days? Like, Forbes is supposed to be written by smart people, right?
 
2012-06-20 12:19:58 PM

bhcompy: LesserEvil: . they are looking to alienate PC vendors by hopping into the (exclusive) hardware business

What, exactly, do yo think the xbox is already?


Yes, but that is/was still at its heart a game console, and maybe a media center, at best. Microsoft is now talking about pumping out PCs under their own brand name, in the same fashion Apple does now with the Mac. It's fine in theory, except for the issue that the genie was never in a bottle, and it won't be put into one. It isn't the sort of business model one can get into after working with open hardware for so long.

the_sidewinder: LesserEvil: but the damn thing forced me to "confirm" my WinMetro installation via my Live account.

Yes, because you hooked up your Live account to that install of Windows, it's a kind of 2 factor verification


Which is dumb, because I already signed into Live to log into the new installation, so how is that protecting anything? More likely, it's an attempt to tell users that "hey, we are tracking your personal info with this install, so no piracy, got it?" I don't have a BIG problem with this, but it's inflicting extra nonsense on legit users.
 
2012-06-20 12:21:42 PM

LesserEvil: bhcompy: LesserEvil: . they are looking to alienate PC vendors by hopping into the (exclusive) hardware business

What, exactly, do yo think the xbox is already?

Yes, but that is/was still at its heart a game console, and maybe a media center, at best. Microsoft is now talking about pumping out PCs under their own brand name, in the same fashion Apple does now with the Mac.


You're getting all of this from ONE tablet (well, two)? Or were there further announcements at some point?
 
2012-06-20 12:23:58 PM
Microsoft is religiously committed to the idea that the convertible is the wave of the future. One hell of a gamble, considering that even if they're right, it will leave an enormous gap until all the legacy systems are retired. Hell, some huge number of computers still run XP. You think we're going to switch from the phone-tablet-laptop-desktop era to the convertible era overnight?
 
2012-06-20 12:23:59 PM
If MS gets into full fledged hardware making, PC, Tablet, Laptop, Cellphone, like they seem to, why would other companies want to continue using their OS and not license or develop their own...

Despite everything, the one thing I like about Windows is at least you know the PC you buy will run most software, unlike a Apple one that may or may not have support for it.

/friend of mine has to run the Windows emulator just to play SWTOR and says it runs crappy
 
2012-06-20 12:25:25 PM

UseUrHeadFred: Microsoft is religiously committed to the idea that the convertible is the wave of the future. One hell of a gamble, considering that even if they're right, it will leave an enormous gap until all the legacy systems are retired. Hell, some huge number of computers still run XP. You think we're going to switch from the phone-tablet-laptop-desktop era to the convertible era overnight?


If business sticks with Win 7 for 10 years the way it did XP, they'll have plenty of time to nail it down.
 
2012-06-20 12:27:38 PM

LasersHurt: LesserEvil: bhcompy: LesserEvil: . they are looking to alienate PC vendors by hopping into the (exclusive) hardware business

What, exactly, do yo think the xbox is already?

Yes, but that is/was still at its heart a game console, and maybe a media center, at best. Microsoft is now talking about pumping out PCs under their own brand name, in the same fashion Apple does now with the Mac.

You're getting all of this from ONE tablet (well, two)? Or were there further announcements at some point?


You don't scan Slashdot, apparently.

Link
 
2012-06-20 12:27:54 PM

LesserEvil: they are looking to alienate PC vendors by hopping into the (exclusive) hardware business


No this will stop PC vendors from shoveling crapware on Windows PCs they sell killing the Microsoft brand. Up your game or we will sell our "Nexus/Vanilla" devices. Who didn't see this coming when they started selling vanilla PCs at Microsoft stores and not letting vendors or carriers add bloatware on WP that cannot be removed in seconds. They are making a ecosystem that Apple wish they had and Google don't even have.
 
2012-06-20 12:29:40 PM

LesserEvil: LasersHurt: LesserEvil: bhcompy: LesserEvil: . they are looking to alienate PC vendors by hopping into the (exclusive) hardware business

What, exactly, do yo think the xbox is already?

Yes, but that is/was still at its heart a game console, and maybe a media center, at best. Microsoft is now talking about pumping out PCs under their own brand name, in the same fashion Apple does now with the Mac.

You're getting all of this from ONE tablet (well, two)? Or were there further announcements at some point?

You don't scan Slashdot, apparently.

Link


No, I get enough self-righteousness as it is, I don't need Slashdot too. But it's an interesting approach, if they go whole-hog with it. It's hard to argue with Apple's results.
 
2012-06-20 12:30:35 PM

lemurs: So Microsoft is free to dump a streaming pile of Metro on them while they try to figure out the tablet business.


Too late. The enterprise is cool with consumer-grade tablets (or perhaps consumer-grade means more than it used to). Microsoft can't compete with Apple, they can't get the talent, they don't have the IP, and they are in the wrong part of the country to get either.
 
2012-06-20 12:31:39 PM

mccallcl: lemurs: So Microsoft is free to dump a streaming pile of Metro on them while they try to figure out the tablet business.

Too late. The enterprise is cool with consumer-grade tablets (or perhaps consumer-grade means more than it used to). Microsoft can't compete with Apple, they can't get the talent, they don't have the IP, and they are in the wrong part of the country to get either.


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2012-06-20 12:32:33 PM
No, stupid, get under the catapult before releasing Win8.
 
2012-06-20 12:34:00 PM

Marine1: Yes, a company that has sold 600 million copies of its operating system, has $40 billion in cash reserves, and is in the top five most valuable brands on the planet is dying.

Is everyone this stupid these days? Like, Forbes is supposed to be written by smart people, right?


The writer is an academic. He doesn't have to be correct to make money, he just has to publish.
 
2012-06-20 12:34:01 PM
Microsoft claims they are the leaders of the tablet market... but are they? They claimed the Zune was best, but then they abandoned it after it failed.

Microsoft, bad for hardware! Bad for the Computer World!
 
2012-06-20 12:42:27 PM

the_sidewinder: Mikey1969: Windows 8 is all farked up, as far as user interface goes. They plan on you never shutting down, in fact you have to dig really deep to find the 'Power Off' option.

Oh yes, really deep, a whole one mouse click to find the option


Hmmmh, OK.
It is absurdly difficult to turn off Windows 8. So difficult that there are entire web pages devoted to tutorials on how to do it. CNET wrote an unintentionally hilarious article detailing four different ways to turn off Windows 8, each more baroque than the last (link). Here's what CNET called the "most basic" way:

It is absurdly difficult to turn off Windows 8. So difficult that there are entire web pages devoted to tutorials on how to do it. CNET wrote an unintentionally hilarious article detailing four different ways to turn off Windows 8, each more baroque than the last (link). Here's what CNET called the "most basic" way:

"In the Metro interface, hover your mouse over the Zoom icon that appears in the lower right corner of the screen. The Charms bar should then pop up displaying several icons. Moving your mouse up the screen will reveal the names of each icon, including Search, Share, Start, Devices, and Settings. Click the Settings icon and then the Power Icon. You should see three options: Sleep, Restart, and Shut down. Clicking Shut down will close Windows 8 and turn off your PC."

Here's a review

But wait, there's more...

Google search for how to shutdown windows 8

So shutdown requires five actions: a hover, a sweep, and three clicks. Plus the command is hidden in a very non-intuitive place. People used to joke that only Microsoft could think it was intuitive to have the Shut Down command hidden under the Start button. I think it's sooooo much more intuitive to have it hidden under Settings.
 
2012-06-20 12:43:43 PM

Mikey1969: the_sidewinder: Mikey1969: Windows 8 is all farked up, as far as user interface goes. They plan on you never shutting down, in fact you have to dig really deep to find the 'Power Off' option.

Oh yes, really deep, a whole one mouse click to find the option

Hmmmh, OK.
It is absurdly difficult to turn off Windows 8. So difficult that there are entire web pages devoted to tutorials on how to do it. CNET wrote an unintentionally hilarious article detailing four different ways to turn off Windows 8, each more baroque than the last (link). Here's what CNET called the "most basic" way:

It is absurdly difficult to turn off Windows 8. So difficult that there are entire web pages devoted to tutorials on how to do it. CNET wrote an unintentionally hilarious article detailing four different ways to turn off Windows 8, each more baroque than the last (link). Here's what CNET called the "most basic" way:

"In the Metro interface, hover your mouse over the Zoom icon that appears in the lower right corner of the screen. The Charms bar should then pop up displaying several icons. Moving your mouse up the screen will reveal the names of each icon, including Search, Share, Start, Devices, and Settings. Click the Settings icon and then the Power Icon. You should see three options: Sleep, Restart, and Shut down. Clicking Shut down will close Windows 8 and turn off your PC."

Here's a review

But wait, there's more...

Google search for how to shutdown windows 8

So shutdown requires five actions: a hover, a sweep, and three clicks. Plus the command is hidden in a very non-intuitive place. People used to joke that only Microsoft could think it was intuitive to have the Shut Down command hidden under the Start button. I think it's sooooo much more intuitive to have it hidden under Settings.


I'll just wager you can assign it to the power button of your computer. How about that.
 
2012-06-20 12:47:28 PM
Herpy derp derp. It's starts by saying that Microsoft has steered away from lucrative businesses like tablets. Then he acknowledges that they did just unveil a new tablet. BUT, then he says the Surface won't be a game changer simply "because", despite virtually everyone who knows jack about such technology slobbering all over the thing.

Sorry, but what a crock of contrarian BS. Microsoft is by any rational measure on a rebound.
 
2012-06-20 12:48:40 PM
Yeah, I'm using one of their anvils right now.
 
2012-06-20 12:49:43 PM

KellyX: Microsoft claims they are the leaders of the tablet market... but are they? They claimed the Zune was best, but then they abandoned it after it failed.

Microsoft, bad for hardware! Bad for the Computer World!


collider.com
 
2012-06-20 12:50:38 PM

KellyX: Microsoft claims they are the leaders of the tablet market... but are they? They claimed the Zune was best, but then they abandoned it after it failed.


Microsoft has been trying to launch portable, tablet-like computing for years and years. Remember the aptly-named WinCE? So they're a leader in much the same way that the first guy to get blown up in a minefield is a leader - by showing others what not to do at the very least.
 
2012-06-20 12:52:10 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: KellyX: Microsoft claims they are the leaders of the tablet market... but are they? They claimed the Zune was best, but then they abandoned it after it failed.

Microsoft, bad for hardware! Bad for the Computer World!

[collider.com image 600x336]


Meh, was coming out of the thread for Attack Ads for Game of Thrones
 
2012-06-20 12:52:26 PM

KellyX: Only way I could see a keyboard going away would be some super great voice to text software that's built into the PC... I could imagine something like that if everything was built into a touch screen monitor, but unless it's close to your face, how could you work on it short of always voice commands? Imagine trying to surf web pages as they're designed now with a voice only operation?


Can you imagine an office full of people with text-to-voice only input?
 
2012-06-20 12:52:37 PM

Mikey1969: It is absurdly difficult to turn off Windows 8.


It's absurdly difficult to turn off an OS that hasn't been released yet?
 
2012-06-20 12:54:14 PM

Mikey1969: KellyX: Only way I could see a keyboard going away would be some super great voice to text software that's built into the PC... I could imagine something like that if everything was built into a touch screen monitor, but unless it's close to your face, how could you work on it short of always voice commands? Imagine trying to surf web pages as they're designed now with a voice only operation?

Can you imagine an office full of people with text-to-voice only input?


Don't want to... annoying enough when some jibber jabber while you're trying to type up a e-mail or document.

How the hell do they manage that in schools in the Star Trek universe?
 
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