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(Bloomberg)   Mitt Romney is asking Americans if they were better off four years ago as he stumps around the country. Guess he should have done a poll or something first   (bloomberg.com) divider line 254
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2012-06-20 10:15:02 AM
"He's done a hatchet job on the economy," says Larry Wilson, 49, a production supervisor at a corrugated box maker in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Wilson complains that prices are outstripping his salary and that the president is stifling business with excessive regulation.


Damn you Fartboxregulator
 
2012-06-20 10:17:00 AM
I dont think people remember the economy 4 years ago. It was terrifying.
 
2012-06-20 10:17:50 AM
Did he cite the excessive regulation?


Still, though, I think there is probably only a small percentage that would want to be polled by Romney, including the dressage horses.
 
2012-06-20 10:21:54 AM
i'm certainly better off than i was 4 years ago.

listen, folks, the world lost nearly half its wealth in the economic cataclysm that happened at the end of bush's second term. it was the single worst economic event since the crash of 1929. in the four years since obama took over, the stock market has doubled, the recession has ended, unemployment has gone down (not by as much as we'd like, obviously), and GDP has increased. all of this while republicans were fighting him at every single turn.

this is a big deal. and it's going to take more than 4 years to fix - especially when you're facing the worst enemy this nation's economy has ever met: the modern republican party.

so, yeah, though far from perfect, obama has my vote. and if you think that romney and his team of bush economists can do better, you're fooling yourself. or you're a retired billionaire hedge fund manager.
 
2012-06-20 10:26:08 AM

FlashHarry: i'm certainly better off than i was 4 years ago.

listen, folks, the world lost nearly half its wealth in the economic cataclysm that happened at the end of bush's second term. it was the single worst economic event since the crash of 1929. in the four years since obama took over, the stock market has doubled, the recession has ended, unemployment has gone down (not by as much as we'd like, obviously), and GDP has increased. all of this while republicans were fighting him at every single turn.

this is a big deal. and it's going to take more than 4 years to fix - especially when you're facing the worst enemy this nation's economy has ever met: the modern republican party.

so, yeah, though far from perfect, obama has my vote. and if you think that romney and his team of bush economists can do better, you're fooling yourself. or you're a retired billionaire hedge fund manager.


^THIS^

/I'm better off financially than four years ago myself as well.
 
2012-06-20 10:27:09 AM
Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.
 
2012-06-20 10:27:14 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Did he cite the excessive regulation?


Still, though, I think there is probably only a small percentage that would want to be polled by Romney, including the dressage horses.


I posted this on another thread somewhere. I was just recently visiting family in the deep South Bible Belt. While driving through the neighborhood, we noticed a house that had burned down. We commented on how the burned out structure hadn't yet been torn down or rebuilt. My father-in-law said it was because of "government regulation."
Wait, what?
That's right, they couldn't tear down a burned out house because of government regulations.
Well, that didn't seem right to me, so I asked "which regulations?"
Turns out, the folks who lived in the house had likely torched it for the insurance money. So the house couldn't be torn down until the fire department and police finished their arson investigation.
So, "government regulations" = "active crime scene."
 
2012-06-20 10:27:36 AM
Does this mean you can't just copy Saint Ronald of Reagan verbatim and be handed the keys to the White House?
 
2012-06-20 10:29:55 AM

James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.


He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.
 
2012-06-20 10:33:14 AM

sweetmelissa31: James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.

He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.


The amount of hate against white boxes in this administration is staggering.
 
2012-06-20 10:34:00 AM

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.

He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.

The amount of hate against white boxes in this administration is staggering.


It comes from his anti-colonial ancestry, when native wooden boxes were being replaced by European-made plastic bankers boxes.
 
2012-06-20 10:35:28 AM

DamnYankees: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.

He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.

The amount of hate against white boxes in this administration is staggering.

It comes from his anti-colonial ancestry, when native wooden boxes were being replaced by European-made plastic bankers boxes.


When white boxes are outlawed only outlaws will ship through Fedex.
 
2012-06-20 10:35:36 AM
Robert Kagan is advising Mitt Romney on foreign affairs. The Zakheim(s), Eric Edelman and Eliot Cohen among others for the more well read.

This should be bigger news. Though, the TV news has always been terrible about explaining the neoconservative movement in any actual detail.

Terrible, and the US public, collectively, loathes the movement.

TV media people, what the fark is wrong with you. Cover this.
 
2012-06-20 10:37:04 AM
Still treading water for the most part, but I'm definitely in better shape than I was four years ago.

Having seen Romney's "management skills" first hand in Massachusetts, I'm confident his "fixes" are going to be great if you're already wealthy... Not so much if you're living on the ragged edges of the middle class in this country.
 
2012-06-20 10:41:32 AM
As someone who partially depends on research grants from the NIH, I'd rather have a President who doesn't want to slash their funding to pay for more tax cuts for the wealthy.
 
2012-06-20 10:44:43 AM
I'm not better off than I was 4 years ago, and yes, it is still George W. Bush's fault.

/but it would've helped had Obama tossed some banksters in jail or out of Air Force one.
 
2012-06-20 10:44:58 AM

sweetmelissa31: "He's done a hatchet job on the economy," says Larry Wilson, 49, a production supervisor at a corrugated box maker in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Wilson complains that prices are outstripping his salary and that the president is stifling business with excessive regulation.

Damn you Fartboxregulator


Why does no one ever cite which regulations are stifling business, or have any ability to articulate how these mystery regulations are stifling business?
 
2012-06-20 10:47:11 AM
I am.

Next question please?
 
2012-06-20 10:47:37 AM
I took a week of paid vacation last week, since if I didn't take it by the end of the month, I'd lose it.

My personal health could be better, but I have more money than ever before.
 
2012-06-20 10:47:50 AM

Party Boy: Robert Kagan is advising Mitt Romney on foreign affairs. The Zakheim(s), Eric Edelman and Eliot Cohen among others for the more well read.

This should be bigger news. Though, the TV news has always been terrible about explaining the neoconservative movement in any actual detail.

Terrible, and the US public, collectively, loathes the movement.

TV media people, what the fark is wrong with you. Cover this.


Covering the neoconservatives is bad for business.
 
2012-06-20 10:48:27 AM

HotWingConspiracy: sweetmelissa31: "He's done a hatchet job on the economy," says Larry Wilson, 49, a production supervisor at a corrugated box maker in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Wilson complains that prices are outstripping his salary and that the president is stifling business with excessive regulation.

Damn you Fartboxregulator

Why does no one ever cite which regulations are stifling business, or have any ability to articulate how these mystery regulations are stifling business?


Regulations are bad. Government is bad. America is good. Flag is good.

Republican is good.
 
2012-06-20 10:49:00 AM

James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.


This was my question as well.

The reason why this guy's wages have stagnated in the last 4 years (although it's likely been longer than that) is because if someone wants to buy boxes they can buy 10x the boxes for 1/10th the price from a Chinese factory where the "production supervisor" is a 12 year old child supervising 6 year old children.
 
2012-06-20 10:49:00 AM
SInce Obama has been harping on about the historic wealth gap is this proof trickle-down is actually working?

Rhetorical question.

I believe the economy was in worse shape when Obama took office than it is now.

But it's sort of like trading in your Pacer for a Pinto.
 
2012-06-20 10:49:10 AM
I'm better off today than I was 4 years ago. My friends are better off today than they were 4 years ago. Thanks for asking.
 
2012-06-20 10:49:29 AM
I am better off. Not making more money or anything...just got rid of certain bills and don't eat out (at restaurants) much. Don't go to movies. Or concerts or really do anything that costs money.

Managed to pay off some credit cards and cut those f*ckers up. Only have one that we pay off every month. Don't have a lot saved...but hey, at least I am not in debt up to my eyeballs. The money I do have is all mine. Well student loans for the wife...those will never go away.

But all of this means sh*t because I live in a crazy red state that would vote red even if Romney came out and said "F*ck you, I only care for rich people and rich companies. Eat sh*t and die"
 
2012-06-20 10:49:36 AM
I'm a lot better off. Business if booming, salary is up, 401k is up, and my savings has rebounded nicely.
 
2012-06-20 10:50:36 AM

HotWingConspiracy: sweetmelissa31: "He's done a hatchet job on the economy," says Larry Wilson, 49, a production supervisor at a corrugated box maker in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Wilson complains that prices are outstripping his salary and that the president is stifling business with excessive regulation.

Damn you Fartboxregulator

Why does no one ever cite which regulations are stifling business, or have any ability to articulate how these mystery regulations are stifling business?


BECAUSE SOCIALISM!
 
2012-06-20 10:50:43 AM

sweetmelissa31: James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.

He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.


3/5ths of a brown box for every white? Seems like a good compromise.
 
2012-06-20 10:51:15 AM

sweetmelissa31: As someone who partially depends on research grants from the NIH, I'd rather have a President who doesn't want to slash their funding to pay for more tax cuts for the wealthy.


Research, smesearch. Anything worth inventing is already 50 years old.
 
2012-06-20 10:51:35 AM

James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.

He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.

The amount of hate against white boxes in this administration is staggering.


It sounds like it time for......

*PUTS ON SUNGLASSES*

.... a Boxer Rebellion.

/YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2012-06-20 10:51:44 AM
I am significantly better off than I was four years ago.

Thousands of dollars in debt gone (paid off, not written off). Thanks in part from the increase in my paycheck from the reduced taxes.
Home loan refi'ed to take advantage of lower rates without increasing the principal.
Adopted a child and the federal government reimbursed me the costs of the adoption.
 
2012-06-20 10:53:35 AM

Rann Xerox: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.

He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.

The amount of hate against white boxes in this administration is staggering.

It sounds like it time for......

*PUTS ON SUNGLASSES*

.... a Boxer Rebellion.

/YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!


You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
2012-06-20 10:53:41 AM
I am making 20% more than I was 4 years ago and my wife is making 30% more, so yes, I am much MUCH better off than I was.
 
2012-06-20 10:54:00 AM

qorkfiend: Covering the neoconservatives is bad for business.


I don't think this explanation works at all.
 
2012-06-20 10:54:12 AM
4 years ago I was moving back in with my parents after graduating college with little hope of finding a good job.

Today I have a steady full time job at a rapidly growing company with health benefits and stock options. I'm living on my own and doing just fine now. Thanks for asking, Mitt! Obama's communist hellhole is doing great for me!
 
2012-06-20 10:54:20 AM
Mitt should be asking Americans if they want to implement the same policies that led to the lost decade and the subsequent crash because that's exactly what his economic plan calls for.
 
2012-06-20 10:54:21 AM
I'm in the same place as 4 years ago, but only because I have a union. If I didn't, I'd have been farked over 6 ways from Sunday by now. Things like being required to work 9 days between days off, arbitrary demotion (lower pay, step back in career, but same job duties) to save money, being laid off so someone can be appointed to a lower paid "temporary position" covering my duties... which is extendable in 6 month increments for as long as the Director wants... all of those things are legal under the rules as they stand, and all have been attempted or planned, until the union got wind of it. All while my boss got a 32% raise and complains she was one of the lowest paid Directors in the City for a long time.

But public employee unions are eebil.
 
2012-06-20 10:55:09 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Why does no one ever cite which regulations are stifling business, or have any ability to articulate how these mystery regulations are stifling business?


Because socialism. Idiot.
 
2012-06-20 10:55:24 AM

Party Boy: Robert Kagan is advising Mitt Romney on foreign affairs. The Zakheim(s), Eric Edelman and Eliot Cohen among others for the more well read.

This should be bigger news. Though, the TV news has always been terrible about explaining the neoconservative movement in any actual detail.

Terrible, and the US public, collectively, loathes the movement.

TV media people, what the fark is wrong with you. Cover this.


There's more than one Zakheim in politics?

CSB: I know Dov Zakheim. Went to HS with his kids, was taught basketball by one of them. Seemed like a nice enough guy...until I read about PNAC (in 2004ish, well after HS). WTF is it with people who are warm, caring and fairly bright using those talents for some exceedingly stupid purposes?
 
2012-06-20 10:55:41 AM

James!: HotWingConspiracy: sweetmelissa31: "He's done a hatchet job on the economy," says Larry Wilson, 49, a production supervisor at a corrugated box maker in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Wilson complains that prices are outstripping his salary and that the president is stifling business with excessive regulation.

Damn you Fartboxregulator

Why does no one ever cite which regulations are stifling business, or have any ability to articulate how these mystery regulations are stifling business?

Regulations are bad. Government is bad. America is good. Flag is good.

Republican is good.


Nobody is going to take you seriously until you cite your position on Arugula and Flag pins made in China.
 
2012-06-20 10:55:43 AM
 
2012-06-20 10:55:59 AM

Party Boy: qorkfiend: Covering the neoconservatives is bad for business.

I don't think this explanation works at all.


I was being slightly snarky, but it's probably not far from true. Maybe not "bad for business", but covering the neocons doesn't get you ratings, and it also paints a target on you for all of the neocon-funded advocacy groups. No one likes the neocons, but they've got a lot of money.
 
2012-06-20 10:56:13 AM
Because fark what I think is best for the nation, I'm voting based solely on how well I did, personally.

Guess he finally found a way to appeal to the Ron Paul supporters.
 
2012-06-20 10:56:23 AM

Cletus C.: SInce Obama has been harping on about the historic wealth gap is this proof trickle-down is actually working?


What?
 
2012-06-20 10:57:47 AM

nyseattitude: James!: HotWingConspiracy: sweetmelissa31: "He's done a hatchet job on the economy," says Larry Wilson, 49, a production supervisor at a corrugated box maker in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Wilson complains that prices are outstripping his salary and that the president is stifling business with excessive regulation.

Damn you Fartboxregulator

Why does no one ever cite which regulations are stifling business, or have any ability to articulate how these mystery regulations are stifling business?

Regulations are bad. Government is bad. America is good. Flag is good.

Republican is good.

Nobody is going to take you seriously until you cite your position on Arugula and Flag pins made in China.


Arugula is greenfood. Greenfoods is bad.

Flag is good. Flag is always good.
 
2012-06-20 10:58:00 AM
making more?!?! ya'll lucky. There were two talks of reducing all of our salaries even.
 
2012-06-20 10:58:40 AM
Four years ago I was in Iraq. Thanks for asking, Mittens.
 
2012-06-20 10:58:52 AM
I am certainly better off then I was four years ago. I am 27 and have been under or unemployed for most of my adult life. Last year I got the first full time job I have ever had and was recently promoted to team leader with seven people working under me. I have paid off all of my credit cards and started a savings account. I have been able to consolidate my student loans into one monthly payment through a program started by Obama and they will all be paid off in 9 years. In two years if things keep going the way they are I will have enough to put a down payment on a 150,000 $ house.

So yeah, I'm the youth vote and I will be voting for Obama.
 
2012-06-20 10:59:03 AM
Party Boy

Robert Kagan is advising Mitt Romney on foreign affairs.

Hey! Is that the same Robert Kagan who co-founded Project For the New American Century? The PNAC with the September 200 report "Rebuilding America's Defenses" that had the line about selling their plan to the American people would likely take a long time "absent some catastrophic catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"?

THAT Robert Kagan?
 
2012-06-20 10:59:08 AM

qorkfiend: Rann Xerox: James!: sweetmelissa31: James!: Which of Obama's regulations are stifling the box making industry? I'm genuinely curious.

He imposed a quota on the percentage of brown boxes allowed compared to white boxes.

The amount of hate against white boxes in this administration is staggering.

It sounds like it time for......

*PUTS ON SUNGLASSES*

.... a Boxer Rebellion.

/YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

You should be ashamed of yourself.


If I didn't post it, someone else would have. :-)
 
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