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(NYPost)   Hydraulic system failure on JetBlue flight leaves passengers in four hours of shaky hell. Flight attendants tried to serve food, but people were already nauseous and throwing up without the fish even being served   (nypost.com) divider line 240
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2012-06-20 10:09:42 AM
Yes, yes, I remember. I had the lasagna.
 
2012-06-20 10:20:21 AM
It's an entirely different kind of nausea, altogether.
 
2012-06-20 10:27:02 AM
The plane was loaded with five hours' worth of fuel. Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

Any pilots want to explain this? Is it unsafe to land with X amount of fuel? Never heard that before.
 
2012-06-20 10:34:40 AM

downstairs: The plane was loaded with five hours' worth of fuel. Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

Any pilots want to explain this? Is it unsafe to land with X amount of fuel? Never heard that before.


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2012-06-20 10:46:38 AM

downstairs: The plane was loaded with five hours' worth of fuel. Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

Any pilots want to explain this? Is it unsafe to land with X amount of fuel? Never heard that before.


Landing imparts a lot more stress on the gear than does takeoff because of the additional g-load at touchdown, so many aircraft, especially heavier ones, have a maximum landing weight (MLW) that is quite a bit lower than max takeoff weight (MTOW).

By the lateral oscillations quoted in TFA I'd guess that they lost their yaw dampers, which are powered by both primary, engine-driven (yellow and green) hydraulic systems. The third and final system (blue) is independent of those and was likely the only one in operation, which is pretty scary, but still within the realm of safe, but uncomfortable, operation.
 
2012-06-20 11:02:06 AM

BunkoSquad: It's an entirely different kind of nausea, altogether.


It's an entirely different kind of nausea.
 
2012-06-20 11:12:31 AM

BunkoSquad: It's an entirely different kind of nausea

 
2012-06-20 12:01:54 PM
I also wonder how much runway they ate up on landing with no brakes or thrust reversers. High altitude and temps at McCarran, too. Thankfully the runway is damn near 3 miles long...
 
2012-06-20 12:12:57 PM
I speak jive.
 
2012-06-20 12:14:51 PM
Don't eat the salmon mousse.
 
2012-06-20 12:15:42 PM
I haven't felt this awful since we saw that Ronald Reagan film.
 
2012-06-20 12:15:53 PM
So a plane can't land with too much fuel but this model can't dump excess fuel?

Surely you jest!
 
2012-06-20 12:16:50 PM
Stupid hax0rs, they're going to kill someone.
 
2012-06-20 12:17:29 PM

realmojo: So a plane can't land with too much fuel but this model can't dump excess fuel?

Surely you jest!


I'm not jesting, and stop calling me shirley.
 
2012-06-20 12:18:29 PM
Ok, she was staring to shake. But was she starting to shimmy?
 
2012-06-20 12:18:35 PM
www.motivationals.org
 
2012-06-20 12:18:45 PM

realmojo: So a plane can't land with too much fuel but this model can't dump excess fuel?

Surely you jest!


I never jest, and don't call me Shirley.
 
2012-06-20 12:19:41 PM
Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

What the hell Airbus? Why would you not include that feature? For that matter, what the hell FAA? Why is that is not required on all passenger planes...you have to dump before you can land in a lot of emergencies.
 
2012-06-20 12:20:24 PM
Damnit! Too slow on the iPhone.
 
2012-06-20 12:21:03 PM
A problem with the hydraulic system?!?! What is it?
 
2012-06-20 12:21:34 PM

realmojo: So a plane can't land with too much fuel but this model can't dump excess fuel?

Surely you jest!


Don't call me Shirley
 
2012-06-20 12:22:08 PM
Nauseated, not nauseous.

foxallaccess.blogs.fox.com

nauseous - causing nausea; sickening
nauseated - caused to feel nausea.

So, next time you are tempted to say "I feel nauseous", understand that you are saying "I feel that I make other people sick".
 
2012-06-20 12:23:28 PM

downstairs: The plane was loaded with five hours' worth of fuel. Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

Any pilots want to explain this? Is it unsafe to land with X amount of fuel? Never heard that before.


Imagine, if you will; a fat guy on a diving board. When he jumps into the water; he makes a bigger splash than a thinner guy. It's the same idea with planes; the decreased wieght reduces the stress of landing on the plane. It's a lot more complicated than that; but that is the general idea.
 
2012-06-20 12:23:44 PM
more like scarebus, amirite?
 
2012-06-20 12:23:55 PM
Madness. A mechanical failure makes the plane unsafe to fly, so the corrective procedure is... to fly for 4 hours so that you can land? Nice work there, Airbus.
 
2012-06-20 12:23:59 PM
No Scarebus yet?
 
2012-06-20 12:24:06 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: A problem with the hydraulic system?!?! What is it?


It's the high pressure fluid system that drives the plane movable surfaces...but that's not important right now
 
2012-06-20 12:24:09 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: A problem with the hydraulic system?!?! What is it?


It's the system used to control the airplane's flaps but that's not important right now
 
2012-06-20 12:24:21 PM
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
 
2012-06-20 12:24:27 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu

A problem with the hydraulic system?!?! What is it?

It's machinery that allows the pilot to steer the plane, but ...

That's not important right now!
 
2012-06-20 12:24:29 PM

ha-ha-guy: Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

What the hell Airbus? Why would you not include that feature? For that matter, what the hell FAA? Why is that is not required on all passenger planes...you have to dump before you can land in a lot of emergencies.


Yeah, that does seem like sort of a design flaw.
 
2012-06-20 12:24:42 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: A problem with the hydraulic system?!?! What is it?


It's a drive or transmission system that uses pressurized hydraulic fluid to drive hydraulic machinery, but that's not important right now.
 
2012-06-20 12:25:04 PM
What a pisser.
 
2012-06-20 12:25:05 PM

meatofmystery: more like scarebus, amirite?


Damn my phone.
 
2012-06-20 12:25:42 PM
nice quad posting
 
2012-06-20 12:25:44 PM
It was the plane ride to nowhere. Circled 4 hours, landed right where you took off from. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas....including the flights.

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2012-06-20 12:25:53 PM
What could go wrong with dropping 8,000 gal of jet-fuel over the strip?
 
2012-06-20 12:26:56 PM
Cutty say "He can't hang."
 
2012-06-20 12:27:39 PM
i63.photobucket.com

Says "Let em crash!"
 
2012-06-20 12:27:43 PM
Even if everything failed, there would have been a way to manually land the aircraft," he said.

Gravity tend to ensure that is always the case. (unless you are going fast enough that you enter a hyperbolic trajectory)
 
2012-06-20 12:28:19 PM

BigNumber12: Madness. A mechanical failure makes the plane unsafe to fly, so the corrective procedure is... to fly for 4 hours so that you can land? Nice work there, Airbus.


Madness? THIS IS AIRBUS!
 
2012-06-20 12:28:58 PM
No, I don't think I'll ever get over that Jet Blue flight to Macho Grande.
 
2012-06-20 12:29:16 PM
If you're going to be in the air for 4 hours circling, why not just make the damn trip? At least you'd be home after your vomit journey.
 
2012-06-20 12:29:27 PM

davidphogan: meatofmystery: more like scarebus, amirite?

Damn my phone.


i'm just fanning the coals. I have no dog in the Airbus/Boeing row.

/actually, I've never flown on an Airbus
 
2012-06-20 12:29:29 PM

BunkoSquad: It's an entirely different kind of nausea, altogether.


It's an entierely different kind of nausea.
 
2012-06-20 12:29:55 PM

Lost_in_Oregon: What could go wrong with dropping 8,000 gal of jet-fuel over the strip?


I know! Where could a plane possibly dump fuel when flying out of a city in the middle of the desert?!
 
2012-06-20 12:30:33 PM

ha-ha-guy: Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

What the hell Airbus? Why would you not include that feature? For that matter, what the hell FAA? Why is that is not required on all passenger planes...you have to dump before you can land in a lot of emergencies.


The A320 series does not have that.

On some aircraft models it is a customer option, and they often don't want it because it adds weight. Good luck legislating that through.
 
2012-06-20 12:30:37 PM

Lost_in_Oregon: What could go wrong with dropping 8,000 gal of jet-fuel over the strip?


A When a plane dumps fuel, most of it never reaches the ground.
B Have you been to Vegas? One mile south of the Airport is nothing but desert.
 
2012-06-20 12:31:24 PM

devildog123: ha-ha-guy: Because the A320 is incapable of dumping excess fuel, the pilots circled the area south of the Vegas Strip until they'd burned enough to allow the crippled plane to land safely.

What the hell Airbus? Why would you not include that feature? For that matter, what the hell FAA? Why is that is not required on all passenger planes...you have to dump before you can land in a lot of emergencies.

Yeah, that does seem like sort of a design flaw.


So after some research, the A320 and other 'regional jets' Boeing, etc makes don't come with the fuel dump ability. The longer range jets can have it installed, as a customer option. I assume of course that most airlines are cheap so they don't have it installed.

What is interesting is the FAA used to require a fuel dump system based on takeoff vs landing rate. However that reached a point where it would have forced expensive dump systems to be retrofitted onto older aircraft. So now you only need a dump system if it takes you longer than a certain time period to go around and land on one engine (I think I read the last part right).

So basically the cheapass airlines didn't want to install dump systems and now you get this.
 
2012-06-20 12:31:35 PM
I would never trust the fish on a budget carrier.

FTA: The crew did everything they could to prevent panic. One flight attendant walked down the aisle saying: "Look at me - I'm smiling. If I was scared, you would know it. If I'm not scared, you don't need to be," Mizer said.

Upon seeing this, I would have immediately given up all hope and propositioned the hottest woman on the plane to join with me and die farking.
 
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