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(Sports Illustrated)   Dottie Sandusky took the stand to defend her husband and gave us the understatement of the century. "I'm strict, and I like for things to run a certain way, and we expect a lot of our kids." (w/palpatineesque pic)   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 225
    More: Strange, Dottie Sandusky, New York County District Attorney, adolescence, State College, public humiliation  
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2012-06-20 08:00:33 PM

MattyFridays: Paterno evolved from a man who five years ago was so "out of touch" that he wasn't even running the football team and he was just there for fan and booster support to the evil trope of "the man who runs Penn State".


I have no problem with the idea JoePa was only there for PR reasons, as long as they vacate his wins after 1998.
 
2012-06-20 08:00:50 PM
"Save us!" screamed the children from the basement... and Dottie looked up from her crossword puzzle and whispered "No."
 
2012-06-20 08:07:35 PM

JohnBigBootay:

And I certainly want those university officials punished. I was responding to a particular post and speaking of a community of people, not one person or the other. Besides - the people you are talking about have been fired and face possible prosecution themselves do they not?


From your farking post: "Fact is most child abuse goes unreported and most child abusers are family members or close family friends. The is the same thing writ large."

This is completely inconsistent with your response to my post. Or are you saying that abuse is generally "reported" to a community of people? Are you dishonest or merely obtuse? See, this is why Penn State is so hated these days; it isn't the abuse that's causing it, it's the fact that students and alumni are trying so very hard to convince the world that everything is a-ok when it's clear to everyone that it isn't. It isn't just Curley and Schultz, it's the administration in general that needs to be investigated.
 
2012-06-20 08:29:07 PM

LoneWolf343: JohnBigBootay: LoneWolf343: Also, why the hell didn't the prosecution object to anyone who had any remote connection to Penn during jury selection? That DA should lose his job, regardless of the verdict.

I still find it shocking that there are people who believe jurors would vote to acquit in the face of credible abuse testimony because of their favorite football team. But I suppose the fact you'd insinuate it proves that partisanship of that ilk exists.

You don't know much about the culture of college football, do you? People eat, breathe, and sleep their favorite team. It's not that people will actually say "So what if he rapes little boys? I'm voting him not guilty anyway!" It's because people can get so star-struck about their personal heroes that they are unable to consider the possibility that said heroes may not be heroic at all. They have already made up their minds that he is being railroaded, despite the mountain of evidence. There is not one bit of proof that they could not explain away as fabricated, misinterpreted, or just plain false. Mr. Sandusky could pork a kid right in front of the jury box, and his fans would claim entrapment.

Granted, its not as if somebody who happens to work for or study at Penn St. would be incapable of impartiality. It's a big university, and someone could spend his whole tenure there and never engage with the sports program. He might actually even resent it. Yet, I would not have taken that chance. In fact, I probably would have asked if jurors followed college football at all, and bumped those that answered yes. Sports make people stupid.


I went to Penn State, I went to the games. I had no freaking clue who Sandusky was until this hit the news.
 
2012-06-20 08:35:40 PM

suburbanguy: Levarien: MugzyBrown: ftfy. if you're going to go. go all out.

I'm not making anything up.. officers were on tape coaching up one of the witnesses.. They testified they never did such a thing.

Amendola seems intent on proving that the police are somehow willingly being duped by a cabal of young men looking to get rich. He has no answer for McQueary's testimony, no answer for those creepy letters, no answers for the statements made to the mother of one of the victims back in 1998.

That said, it just takes one Penn St die hard fan to make this a mistrial.

There are NO Penn State fans giving Sandusky any special treatment. Quite the opposite, actually.


He has pissed me off tremendously. From all I've heard, the man abused the people who needed help the most and that is abominable and disturbing on many levels. He also managed to drag a whole lot of innocent people and reputations through the mud just through his association.

Assuming the allegations are true, the man hurt a lot of children who looked to him for help and caused a lot of secondary damage to others who just happened to go to school/work/teach there. Again, assuming that what happened was true, then no one who is a fan of Penn State would even piss on Sandusky to put out a fire.
 
2012-06-20 08:40:19 PM
Malaktaus

Maybe you missed the independent investigator brought in to investigate the administration. As for child abuse often going unreported, I have no burning need to convince you of a well established phenomenon. I see no widespread credible evidence that the PSU community is trying to convince anyone that anything is 'a--ok'. I see an angry, sad population of people eager to see those responsible be punished. I understand that you want to see lots and lots of people punished. Me, I simply want the people who knew about it and didn't do enough punished. Paterno was punished. And he's dead - not much more to do there. Curley and Schultz have been punished and have more to come. Sandusky awaits his reward as we speak. I HOPE the police who didn't follow through are punished. Beyond that I know of no one else who knew about it. Except probably some parents. And no, I don't want anything done to them. They have acted like many parents act in the same situation and already live in their own private hell and its not for me to judge them.
 
2012-06-20 08:44:45 PM
I could understand the prosecution not asking for details from the kids forced to perform oral sex on Sandusky. But if the kids were able to elaborate on such, it would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt proof. It would also rub into Sandusky's face and to the jurors just what he did.
 
2012-06-20 08:46:22 PM

abmoraz: That would be catastrophic to the area. It wont happen. As someone that owned a business in town and worked for some other ones, the 7 or 8 home football games is the difference between making and breaking a business here. Not fielding a team for a season would bankrupt 10s of thousands of local residents.


Here's why that argument doesn't sway me one bit: I'm sure State College is a nice little college town. I've never been there, but I've been to other college towns, so I've got a pretty good idea what it's like. Having said that, you're not a little precious snowflake of a town. You can't take that into consideration when it comes to deciding the right thing to do.

There are plenty of college towns across this nation that benefit economically from college football. Are you going to not consider punishing their football program because of local business? "Hey, it's not like every person in Gainesville, Floirda/ Ann Arbor, Michigan/ Lincoln, Nebraska/ Norman, Oklahoma/ Tuscaloosa, Alabama was cheating. Why should the whole city have to suffer, just because the football program was in the wrong?"

Taking that rationaile even farther- let's say there were 3 programs that were paying huge sums of money to their top recruits. Going full SMU. Hypothetically, let's say these three programs were Southern California, Texas, and Auburn. All 3 were paying the exact same dollar amount. Violations were the same, down to the penny. If we use your logic, it's easy to give USC the death penalty. Los Angeles will be fine. We can shut down Texas as well- Austin's economy won't take that big a hit. And, we have to give Auburn probation, because the loss of a football season would absolutely devastate Auburn, Alabama. Businesses would shutter, and people would lose their jobs.

See the issue here?
 
2012-06-20 08:51:35 PM
'see the issue here?'

No. As I pointed out earlier. They've given the death penalty 5 times. Every case involved athletes receiving improper benefits. See the issue here?
 
2012-06-20 08:52:19 PM

Kevin72: I could understand the prosecution not asking for details from the kids forced to perform oral sex on Sandusky. But if the kids were able to elaborate on such, it would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt proof. It would also rub into Sandusky's face and to the jurors just what he did.


I'm going to steal the point from Rick Reilly's ESPN.com column this week where he called Sandusky a "coward" for not just pleading guilty in the face of overwhelming evidence of his guilt. Link

Of course, the easy reply is to say that this bastard probably still thinks he didn't do anything wrong. He's so farked up in the head (based on his past statements) that he's probably still thinking during this whole trial "was that wrong? Should I have not done that?'

/Seriously, anyone who sexually assualts a child should be put to death
 
2012-06-20 08:55:07 PM

malaktaus: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Saw this early this morning, and immediately thought:

[thehiberniatimes.com image 300x450]

/Palpatine works too

I'm confused, isn't that Palpatine? Not sure why he's wearing white though, that's not very appropriate for a Sith Lord.


I've never seen the two of them in the same room together, so it could be. However, that pic could have been taken before Labor Day. :)
 
2012-06-20 09:15:05 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: When asked if she and her husband slept in the same bed, all she responded with was that he usually went to sleep before she did.


So you are deliberately being evasive?
Hostile witness.- and probably guilty for knowing and not saying anything. Like so many more,
 
2012-06-20 09:24:13 PM
There's just nothing clean at all about this whole story. Not a thing. The best part about the story is that its' fallout killed Joe Paterno. Penn State football will continue to be a source of wealth and civic pride for the little piece of Nowheresville, PA that accepts such benefits at the cost of many little boys' anal virginity.

But hey the NCAA shouldn't punish the whole area by shuttering PSU football for even one season! That's UNFAIR to all of those who had nothing to do with it!

Hell, the entire country has seen median home prices plummet in recent years because of despicable deeds by a few on Wall St and in the too-big-to-fail banks. Surely Main Street was UNFAIRLY impacted by those deeds...but impacted they were. Consequences tend to involve more than just the actors in play, that's why we protect and prosecute such ill happenings the way we do.

Unless it's BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL. The only saving grace for most rational folks? The VERY first thing we will all think of when hearing the words "Penn State" is child rape. Not the most just outcome, but certainly a deserved one.
 
2012-06-20 09:44:30 PM

Owangotang: There's just nothing clean at all about this whole story. Not a thing. The best part about the story is that its' fallout killed Joe Paterno. Penn State football will continue to be a source of wealth and civic pride for the little piece of Nowheresville, PA that accepts such benefits at the cost of many little boys' anal virginity.

But hey the NCAA shouldn't punish the whole area by shuttering PSU football for even one season! That's UNFAIR to all of those who had nothing to do with it!

Hell, the entire country has seen median home prices plummet in recent years because of despicable deeds by a few on Wall St and in the too-big-to-fail banks. Surely Main Street was UNFAIRLY impacted by those deeds...but impacted they were. Consequences tend to involve more than just the actors in play, that's why we protect and prosecute such ill happenings the way we do.

Unless it's BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL. The only saving grace for most rational folks? The VERY first thing we will all think of when hearing the words "Penn State" is child rape. Not the most just outcome, but certainly a deserved one.


Actually, people who bought into the Real Estate mythology had a hell of a lot more to do with the collapse of the market than students or players at Penn State did with the Sandusky thing. Now, maybe Joe Pa is a different story...
 
2012-06-20 09:45:15 PM
Same goes for administrators for the school, McQueary, and many others.
 
2012-06-20 11:16:49 PM

star_topology: Derwood: I went to school with three of the Sandusky kids and went to the same church as the Sandusky family.

/NOT getting a kick out of, well, any of this

*shudder*


He never came off as creepy back then, but he was clearly good at hiding this stuff. The kids were pretty normal, though most were adopted
 
2012-06-21 12:36:21 AM

JohnBigBootay: 'see the issue here?'

No. As I pointed out earlier. They've given the death penalty 5 times. Every case involved athletes receiving improper benefits. See the issue here?


You are killing me with all of your posts. We get it. Let Sandusky off b/c of police coercion and the Penn State football program should not have to deal with this shame of what one person did.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

This is a sad case. JoePa should've done more. McQuery should've done more. Everyone who knew of these allegations should've done more, but they didn't. Obviously, Sandusky is the only scumbag here.
 
2012-06-21 12:38:57 AM

JohnBigBootay: 'see the issue here?'

No. As I pointed out earlier. They've given the death penalty 5 times. Every case involved athletes receiving improper benefits. See the issue here?


Okay then.

Let's call Sandusky's rapes "improper benefits" and hand out a death penalty!
 
2012-06-21 01:20:21 AM

Pr1nc3ss: JohnBigBootay: 'see the issue here?'

No. As I pointed out earlier. They've given the death penalty 5 times. Every case involved athletes receiving improper benefits. See the issue here?

You are killing me with all of your posts. We get it. Let Sandusky off b/c of police coercion and the Penn State football program should not have to deal with this shame of what one person did.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

This is a sad case. JoePa should've done more. McQuery should've done more. Everyone who knew of these allegations should've done more, but they didn't. Obviously, Sandusky is the only scumbag here.


Obviously you do not get it. Because as I have said many times, my feeling is that Sandusky is guilty and I will be OJ-level shocked if he is acquitted. I sleep fine. Suit yourself... but me personally? I try not to let reading and commenting on the news have much effect on my sleep patterns one way or the other.
 
2012-06-21 01:39:18 AM

JohnBigBootay: A Fark Handle: and since the power of that program was the problem, i'm just looking for a solution.

I disagree.


i know you do. and we'll just have to agree to disagree. i feel the power of the program was a significant factor in overlooking/missing/failing to report/investigate earlier signs. i also feel that due to the money/prestige the program brought to penn state they powers that be decided to coverup multiple initial chances to start a serious investigation into sandusky's systemative kiddy-rape program. you're right given the usual ncaa mission to fark over "student-athletes" rather than be a force for betterment there's no prescient to give the death penalty. all that said, the penn state kiddy-rape situation is so much worse than paying players (nothing wrong with that) or playing academically ineligible players (a little more wrong), that i feel if there was ever a time to drop the hammer, this is it. it won't happen, but i feel it should.
 
2012-06-21 01:46:20 AM
A fark handle

Thanks for a civil discussion in spite of the disagreement. You certainly make some good points and have the same concerns a lot of people do. I'm ready for it to be over as I imagine most are. Sadly, it never will be for some. Regardless of what happens from here on out.
 
2012-06-21 08:21:11 AM
 
2012-06-21 10:41:40 AM

Troublesome Strumpet: Her husband wrote in his 2001 autobiography "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story"

There are no words.


Just pictures then?
 
2012-06-21 02:28:50 PM
starsmedia.ign.com

GUILLLLLTY!
 
2012-06-22 07:14:45 PM
So now that his own son has made allegations of abuse, can we assume the cops were coaching him too and this kid is in it for the money too? C'mon apologists, we want to hear your slapping sounds ...
 
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