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(Sports Illustrated)   Dottie Sandusky took the stand to defend her husband and gave us the understatement of the century. "I'm strict, and I like for things to run a certain way, and we expect a lot of our kids." (w/palpatineesque pic)   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 225
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2012-06-20 02:05:25 PM
You might be innocent, Dottie, but you are one stupid and naive coont on top of that.
 
2012-06-20 02:06:52 PM

rka:
Yes, but when you do get an actual Penn State Alum/employee posting here or on any forum, aren't they about the most creepy sport fans you've ever come across?


I was hoping I could keep my creepiness under control...
 
2012-06-20 02:09:17 PM

Owangotang:

Poor poor joe paterno. He is the real victim, aye?


Don't put words in my mouth. You saw what I wrote.
 
2012-06-20 02:10:05 PM

LoneWolf343: You don't know much about the culture of college football, do you? People eat, breathe, and sleep their favorite team............................................................. Sports make people stupid.


Yeah, I used to live in Tusacaloosa Alabama. So I have no idea about the culture of college football. Now that you mention it I DID find it a bit odd when 100,000 people would come to a spring scrimmage.

Here's what I think - I think the prosecutor is as selfish and money-motivated as the rest of us. I think he knows his county better than the rest of us. I think he knows the law better than the rest of us. And I'm virtually certain he doesn't want to look like an idiot and lose a high-profile case. Maybe he's an idiot. But he'd hardly be the first guy who opted not to request a venue change when a prominent local was involved. I imagine he thinks he has such damning evidence it couldn't possibly matter.
 
2012-06-20 02:13:23 PM

JohnBigBootay: rka: Yes, but when you do get an actual Penn State Alum/employee posting here or on any forum, aren't they about the most creepy sport fans you've ever come across?

I have seen somewhat disturbed fans of just about everyone. Having grown up in Alabama I always found the Bear Bryant worship a bit crazy. Though I understand it. But anyway, to answer your question.... no. I don't see PSU fans as any more delusional than anyone else. If your school gets a title or three and the coach stick around for fifty years I imagine he'd be somewhat revered as well. I think Joe Paterno was mostly a force for good who stuck around too long and should have spoken up sooner and louder and it was right to dismiss him. He should have left ten years ago. But I'm not gonna re-write history and discount his positive influence. Bad people do good things. Good people do bad things. The press wants everything to be black and white but it's just not.


If fostering institutionalized kid rape doesn't discount any positive influence then what the hell does?
 
2012-06-20 02:14:49 PM

A Fark Handle:

things joepa the legendary coach of penn state could have done, that i would classify as "more"

1) talk to the police. like the real police with badges and whatnot. pretty sure if joepa walks into the happy valley police station they aren't going to throw him out before asking what's on his mind. maybe bring mcqueary along.

2) hit sandusky with a baseball bat that practice golf cart he sometimes got around in.

3) do more than just say keep your kiddy-raping out of my football facilities.


Fair. Why didn't McQueary do 1 and 2 then?

In this entire mess, Joe Pa is represented as the 2nd worst monster after Sandusky, yet I would rank him #5.

It goes:

1) Sandusky for his crimes
2) McQueary for not doing anything and then not reporting anything
3&4) Curley and Spanier for covering it up
5) Paterno for not doing more.

So why is Paterno seen as the boogeyman when the offenses of McQueary, Curley, and Spanier much, MUCH more egregious? That's the question I'm asking. It goes back to the McMartin thing and how the media forms our opinions.
 
2012-06-20 02:15:32 PM

MattyFridays: Owangotang:

Poor poor joe paterno. He is the real victim, aye?

Don't put words in my mouth. You saw what I wrote.


I translated it from misguided sentiment into English.
 
2012-06-20 02:15:45 PM

farkityfarker: Just like the woman who testified that her son came home with no underwear. But she didn't look into it any further.


Exactly. It's easy to look in the rear view mirror and say something was obvious but denial is powerful. And you see it in child abuse cases again and again and again and again. Do I know why? No, I don't. And I hope I never have to experience it first hand.
 
2012-06-20 02:18:13 PM

Owangotang: Poor poor joe paterno. He is the real victim, aye?


I can't wait for that testimony! Sandusky is a sick fark, but he'll do well in prison if he likes old man ass too.
 
2012-06-20 02:19:00 PM

MattyFridays: A Fark Handle:

things joepa the legendary coach of penn state could have done, that i would classify as "more"

1) talk to the police. like the real police with badges and whatnot. pretty sure if joepa walks into the happy valley police station they aren't going to throw him out before asking what's on his mind. maybe bring mcqueary along.

2) hit sandusky with a baseball bat that practice golf cart he sometimes got around in.

3) do more than just say keep your kiddy-raping out of my football facilities.

Fair. Why didn't McQueary do 1 and 2 then?

In this entire mess, Joe Pa is represented as the 2nd worst monster after Sandusky, yet I would rank him #5.

It goes:

1) Sandusky for his crimes
2) McQueary for not doing anything and then not reporting anything
3&4) Curley and Spanier for covering it up
5) Paterno for not doing more.

So why is Paterno seen as the boogeyman when the offenses of McQueary, Curley, and Spanier much, MUCH more egregious? That's the question I'm asking. It goes back to the McMartin thing and how the media forms our opinions.


Because at a BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL program head coach is king. He oversaw it all, there is no way he did not. Lionizing coaches is creeeeeepy.
 
2012-06-20 02:19:28 PM

farkityfarker: FirstNationalBastard: Levarien: MugzyBrown: ftfy. if you're going to go. go all out.

I'm not making anything up.. officers were on tape coaching up one of the witnesses.. They testified they never did such a thing.

Amendola seems intent on proving that the police are somehow willingly being duped by a cabal of young men looking to get rich. He has no answer for McQueary's testimony, no answer for those creepy letters, no answers for the statements made to the mother of one of the victims back in 1998.

That said, it just takes one Penn St die hard fan to make this a mistrial.

Yep.

And that's why Sandusky could have raped a conga line of toddlers on video, and probably still get acquitted.

He's not going to be acquitted. There's a big difference between a hung jury (mistrial) and an acquittal.


You're right, I misspoke.

But, how many trials would they hold before finally giving up? Two? Five?

As long as the trial is held in the middle of Penn State territory, there's always a good chance of a mistrial. And at what point does it stop being worth it to try to prosecute him?
 
2012-06-20 02:19:47 PM

Owangotang: MattyFridays: Owangotang:

Poor poor joe paterno. He is the real victim, aye?

Don't put words in my mouth. You saw what I wrote.

I translated it from misguided sentiment into English.


No, you translated it from me asking a question: "What more could have Paterno done?" into trollese. I asked, could Paterno have filed a police report without seeing what happened?

Make no mistake: I think Paterno should have lost his job. I'm questioning why he is portrayed as the second worse person in this situation while people forget about McQueary, Spanier, and Curley. (and Schultz, I think?)

It goes back to how the media shapes our opinions. Paterno is the most well known figure in this mess, so he's the one who's painted as the worst one.
 
2012-06-20 02:20:01 PM

MattyFridays: So why is Paterno seen as the boogeyman when the offenses of McQueary, Curley, and Spanier much, MUCH more egregious? That's the question I'm asking. It goes back to the McMartin thing and how the media forms our opinions.


I hate to quote a comic book, but "with great power comes great responsibility". It's not that clear to me that anyone would have listened to McQueary (there was a coverup anyway, and it's not like he was that big of a deal himself - they could have easily pushed him out of the school and tried to marginalize anything he said), but people would have certainly listened to Joe Pa. If Joe Pa had wanted to fix it, all he had to do was say so. He didn't *do* anything actively evil, but his silence spoke louder than anyone else's because of who he was.
 
2012-06-20 02:20:36 PM
WE ARE....
 
2012-06-20 02:22:10 PM

Owangotang: If fostering institutionalized kid rape doesn't discount any positive influence then what the hell does?


I don't use the ignore button. But how about this - I won't reply to your posts if you won't reply to mine. I just don't think we like to have discussions in the same manner. You want to drum up a lynch mob and it's just not my style. Really - you could start one up for Hitler and I wouldn't join it. I'd say he should get a fair trial with representation and then be punished to the full extent of the law for the crimes that had been proven against him. So really, you fish in your pond and I'll fish in mine.
 
2012-06-20 02:22:59 PM

MattyFridays: Fair. Why didn't McQueary do 1 and 2 then?

In this entire mess, Joe Pa is represented as the 2nd worst monster after Sandusky, yet I would rank him #5.

It goes:

1) Sandusky for his crimes
2) McQueary for not doing anything and then not reporting anything
3&4) Curley and Spanier for covering it up
5) Paterno for not doing more.

So why is Paterno seen as the boogeyman when the offenses of McQueary, Curley, and Spanier much, MUCH more egregious? That's the question I'm asking. It goes back to the McMartin thing and how the media forms our opinions.


he was farking "win the right way" joepa that's why. and he could have reported.

oh, and HE WAS THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN HAPPY VALLEY AND HE KNEW AND DID ESSENTIALLY NOTHING!! FARKING NOTHING!! FOR AT LEAST A DECADE!! FARK HIM!!

he could have told mcqueary to report it. oh and joepa was involved in the coverup. even if sandusky was completely and totally innocent joepa could have had him questioned by the happy valley police just by shuffling his old ass in the front door of the station and asking them to go pick up rapey jerry.
 
2012-06-20 02:24:58 PM

Owangotang:

Because at a BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL program head coach is king. He oversaw it all, there is no way he did not. Lionizing coaches is creeeeeepy.


Yet for years before the scandal broke, Joe Paterno was painted as a nice old man who was way out of touch with coaching and college football. He was seen as no more than a mascot. Even when they went to BCS bowl games, people said because it was the support of his coaching staff, not the genius of Joe Paterno.

So you can't have it both ways. Which was he? The old man who was out of touch, or the guy who ran everything?

And again: Don't act like I'm some huge PSU supporter. I went to WVU for God's sake. Hating Penn State is the one thing Pitt and WVU fans could agree on.
 
2012-06-20 02:25:36 PM

meow said the dog: WE ARE....


KID RAPE
 
2012-06-20 02:26:11 PM

meow said the dog: WE ARE....


KIDDY RAPE!!!
 
2012-06-20 02:28:47 PM

MattyFridays: So you can't have it both ways. Which was he? The old man who was out of touch, or the guy who ran everything?


why can't he be some of both? out of touch with plenty of the day to day football operations, but respected more than enough that if had asked the police to investigate they would have put the donuts down and started coaching up witnesses/victims.
 
2012-06-20 02:29:26 PM

MattyFridays: Owangotang:

Because at a BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL program head coach is king. He oversaw it all, there is no way he did not. Lionizing coaches is creeeeeepy.

Yet for years before the scandal broke, Joe Paterno was painted as a nice old man who was way out of touch with coaching and college football. He was seen as no more than a mascot. Even when they went to BCS bowl games, people said because it was the support of his coaching staff, not the genius of Joe Paterno.

So you can't have it both ways. Which was he? The old man who was out of touch, or the guy who ran everything?

And again: Don't act like I'm some huge PSU supporter. I went to WVU for God's sake. Hating Penn State is the one thing Pitt and WVU fans could agree on.


2002 != 2012. A decade can do a lot to someone's energy levels.
 
2012-06-20 02:30:50 PM
You know this guy is going to walk or at most, get a slap on the wrist.
 
2012-06-20 02:33:14 PM

JohnBigBootay: Owangotang: If fostering institutionalized kid rape doesn't discount any positive influence then what the hell does?

I don't use the ignore button. But how about this - I won't reply to your posts if you won't reply to mine. I just don't think we like to have discussions in the same manner. You want to drum up a lynch mob and it's just not my style. Really - you could start one up for Hitler and I wouldn't join it. I'd say he should get a fair trial with representation and then be punished to the full extent of the law for the crimes that had been proven against him. So really, you fish in your pond and I'll fish in mine.


Not so. I refuse to grant wiggle room to anyone involved with this case. The details are too gruesome to allow it. The fact that you believe that I want some sort of vigilante justice shows deficiency on your part.
 
2012-06-20 02:35:22 PM

MattyFridays: Owangotang:

Because at a BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL program head coach is king. He oversaw it all, there is no way he did not. Lionizing coaches is creeeeeepy.

Yet for years before the scandal broke, Joe Paterno was painted as a nice old man who was way out of touch with coaching and college football. He was seen as no more than a mascot. Even when they went to BCS bowl games, people said because it was the support of his coaching staff, not the genius of Joe Paterno.

So you can't have it both ways. Which was he? The old man who was out of touch, or the guy who ran everything?

And again: Don't act like I'm some huge PSU supporter. I went to WVU for God's sake. Hating Penn State is the one thing Pitt and WVU fans could agree on.


Assistant coaches testified kids were showing at psu in 1980.
 
2012-06-20 02:35:44 PM

JohnBigBootay: LoneWolf343: Also, why the hell didn't the prosecution object to anyone who had any remote connection to Penn during jury selection? That DA should lose his job, regardless of the verdict.

I still find it shocking that there are people who believe jurors would vote to acquit in the face of credible abuse testimony because of their favorite football team. But I suppose the fact you'd insinuate it proves that partisanship of that ilk exists.


To be fair, we saw how the students at that school reacted when Paterno got canned. Any sane, rational person wouldn't have joined a riot over a football coach getting fired. That sort of partisanship does seem to exist up there.

If anyone on the jury has that viewpoint, do they look at Sandusky as someone who couldn't have done these things and have been shocked by the details presented to them or as someone who's actions have shamed the football program and will be quicker on voting him guilty as a result.

As an aside, I wonder if that part from the Bob Costas interview that wasn't shown that we've been hearing about can still be presented in closing arguments. I truly don't know what the rules are on something like that so I'm curious.
 
2012-06-20 02:37:27 PM

LoneWolf343: You don't know much about the culture of college football, do you? People eat, breathe, and sleep their favorite team. It's not that people will actually say "So what if he rapes little boys? I'm voting him not guilty anyway!"


This isn't the SEC. We don't worship football. We were proud of our university and that our football program was supposedly "done right" with a high graduation rate and limited tolerance for off-the-field problems.

What I see from most people affiliated with PSU (full disclosure: I'm an alumnus and live in the area), is that they are upset that the rest of the world doesn't understand the separation between the University, the athletics department, the city, and the accused. Penn State University didn't rape kids. The Penn State Football program didn't rape kids. Joe Paterno didn't rape kids. The lunch lady in the cafeteria didn't rape kids.

Jerry Sandusky has allegedly raped kids. HE is the one on trial, not Penn State. It's annoying and somewhat hurtful when it's referred to as the "Penn State Molestation Trial." If it gets to the level of the Catholic Church, where there are many accusations across multiple people with PSU affiliation, then PSU is the linking factor,

And, before people chime in with "Oh boo-hoo. Think of how the children felt when they were molested", that is a false argument. Their pain does not justify inflicting more hurt elsewhere; nor is it transferable. It's the same fallacy used when parents say "eat what's on your plate. There are starving kids in Africa." Eating what's on the plate has no bearing to whether the kids in Africa will starve or not, and blaming Penn State as a whole will not undo any molestation those kids may have had.

/Waiting anxiously for a verdict so there can be closure... one way or another.
 
2012-06-20 02:44:56 PM

abmoraz: Jerry Sandusky has allegedly raped kids. HE is the one on trial, not Penn State. It's annoying and somewhat hurtful when it's referred to as the "Penn State Molestation Trial." If it gets to the level of the Catholic Church, where there are many accusations across multiple people with PSU affiliation, then PSU is the linking factor,


yeah, but there's that decade plus coverup that penn state did do, so that's sort of an issue when pretending that this trial is just about sandusky and not the institutional coverup of kiddy-farking. sort of catholic churchish. hence, why i want the death penalty for the football program. knock it down a peg or twenty.
 
rka
2012-06-20 02:45:16 PM

abmoraz: Jerry Sandusky has allegedly raped kids. HE is the one on trial, not Penn State. It's annoying and somewhat hurtful when it's referred to as the "Penn State Molestation Trial." If it gets to the level of the Catholic Church, where there are many accusations across multiple people with PSU affiliation, then PSU is the linking factor,


You act like PSU doesn't have two (former) officials on trial for perjury in the matter.

You act like one of the major questions isn't about how many people at the school knew of Sandusky's previous "indiscretions" and still allowed Ol' Jerry free access to the facilities. Facilities he used to rape kids.

Oh yeah, Penn State wasn't involved in this at all. (eye roll)

See, this is the problem with PSU alumni. They want there to be ONE monster that they can cast out and bury their heads in the sand about everything else.
 
2012-06-20 02:47:33 PM
She testified that Jerry does not even like sex and they have not had sex in decades
 
2012-06-20 02:48:19 PM

LoneWolf343: MugzyBrown: killershark: I can see that for maybe the particular victims in question. But there was a victim who came forward first, who didn't have the cops "coercing" him [as the defense states] by referring to other victims. So maybe for those charges, the jury finds him not guilty. There are still plenty of other charges and plenty of other victims to get him thrown in jail for a long time.

That wouldn't bother me. But I'd question a lot of Victim 4's testimony for sure at this point.

I'm just going to throw this out there and point out that rape victims are generally not known for their mental stability.

Also, why the hell didn't the prosecution object to anyone who had any remote connection to Penn during jury selection? That DA should lose his job, regardless of the verdict.


Good luck finding anyone in State College without ties to Penn State.

And as a resident of State College, I have yet to meet a single person who wants this guy acquitted. Townies and gownies both want to see this guy quivering in a prison yard by next week at the latest.
 
2012-06-20 02:51:24 PM

abmoraz: LoneWolf343: You don't know much about the culture of college football, do you? People eat, breathe, and sleep their favorite team. It's not that people will actually say "So what if he rapes little boys? I'm voting him not guilty anyway!"

This isn't the SEC. We don't worship football. We were proud of our university and that our football program was supposedly "done right" with a high graduation rate and limited tolerance for off-the-field problems.

What I see from most people affiliated with PSU (full disclosure: I'm an alumnus and live in the area), is that they are upset that the rest of the world doesn't understand the separation between the University, the athletics department, the city, and the accused. Penn State University didn't rape kids. The Penn State Football program didn't rape kids. Joe Paterno didn't rape kids. The lunch lady in the cafeteria didn't rape kids.

Jerry Sandusky has allegedly raped kids. HE is the one on trial, not Penn State. It's annoying and somewhat hurtful when it's referred to as the "Penn State Molestation Trial." If it gets to the level of the Catholic Church, where there are many accusations across multiple people with PSU affiliation, then PSU is the linking factor,

And, before people chime in with "Oh boo-hoo. Think of how the children felt when they were molested", that is a false argument. Their pain does not justify inflicting more hurt elsewhere; nor is it transferable. It's the same fallacy used when parents say "eat what's on your plate. There are starving kids in Africa." Eating what's on the plate has no bearing to whether the kids in Africa will starve or not, and blaming Penn State as a whole will not undo any molestation those kids may have had.

/Waiting anxiously for a verdict so there can be closure... one way or another.


Penn state football is what facilitated this, that is what rational people want YOU to understand.
 
2012-06-20 02:53:09 PM

verbaltoxin: skrame: "None of this stuff that happens to kids ever happens in the public arena..." said Dr. Martin Finkel, a pediatrician with 30 years of experience treating abused children.

Jerry Sandusky, 68, is charged with 51 counts of abuse involving 10 accusers. Prosecutors say he met his victims through the charity he and his wife founded, groomed them, and sexually abused them in motels, in his home and in the Penn State football building.


Nothing more private than then football building of a public university.

Locker rooms. Penn State football locker rooms. Where the expectation of privacy is assumed. He wasn't raping the boys out on the 50 yard line.


The expectation of privacy from the general public may be assumed, but not from the dozens (probably well over a hundred) of players, coaches, other football staff, and university workers such as janitors who have access.
 
2012-06-20 03:00:28 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Owangotang: Poor poor joe paterno. He is the real victim, aye?

I can't wait for that testimony! Sandusky is a sick fark, but he'll do well in prison if he likes old man ass too.


ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-06-20 03:09:05 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: Her testimony was straight up creepy. When asked if she and her husband slept in the same bed, all she responded with was that he usually went to sleep before she did. That's it. I hope he takes the stand today. It'll be a freakshow.


i heard that he wanted to testify, but his lawyers told him to sit down and shut the fark up. considering the bob costas interview that was probably some good advice. it could have gotten really farking weird.
 
2012-06-20 03:10:19 PM

MtLebanonBalogna: Being connected in any way with PSU does not mean a juror will be sympathetic to Sandusky. Of all the Penn Staters I know I can't think of one that doesn't think Sandusky isn't guilty of at least most of the charges.


There are 94,000 PSU students and 550K alumni out there, so I can't speak for all of them. However, I've spoken with a whole lot of them and there is a uniformity of revulsion at what Sandusky has wrought there. People want him to freaking burn for what he's done to his victims and to the school.

Yeah, people are really sad about Paterno getting bounced immediately and then dying, but nobody I've talked to has expressed an ounce of support for "Jer."

This also isn't the trial against Penn State. Curley and Schultz still have to face the music for perjury, and there will, no doubt be civil suits against all involved. Jerry Sandusky, like many other predators played everyone around him for fools, using homophobia, philanthropy, and the big business of football to hide and facilitate his crimes.

If people failed to act as they were obligated to do so in reporting or protecting kids, then other heads will need to roll, and the system that allowed it will need to pay.
 
2012-06-20 03:13:17 PM

MattyFridays: I've been weird about Joe Paterno's involvement in this whole mess.

People said "he should have done more"... but what exactly "more" could he have done?

He didn't witness Sandusky doing this... McQueary did. And Paterno told his bosses. Can you file a police report for something you didn't witness and you weren't involved in?

If Paterno did go to the police, they would have wanted to talk to McQueary, which begs the question why he didn't go to the police in the first place.

Paterno evolved from a man who five years ago was so "out of touch" that he wasn't even running the football team and he was just there for fan and booster support to the evil trope of "the man who runs Penn State".

I think, in the long run, Penn State handled this brutally, brutally bad. Their Crisis communication and management was the worst I've ever seen. I think the icing on the cake was having a "moment of silence" at a game after the tragedy broke. HAVING A MOMENT OF SILENCE IS WHAT GOT YOU INTO THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.


This is such a complete load of Shiat regarding Paterno. every story ever told about that guy says how he was the biggest thing on that campus. how what he said would go in most cases. Here, he just passed the buck and got what he deserved in the end, fired.

Sorry, but when you are looked upon as a true leader of a University and you pass a buck the size of this, you failed. He even admitted as much himself.

I do agree about the McQueary thing. Why didn't he go straight to the police. It's like he thought maybe someone would want to cover the event up to avoid bad publicity. If I see a crime at work, I'm not going to my boss to tell him about it first.
 
2012-06-20 03:15:02 PM

The Muthaship: Levarien: That said, it just takes one Penn St die hard fan to make this a mistrial.

4 employees of PSU and 2 students on the jury.


If they do, they will be betraying the University that definitely wants him found guilty at this point...If he is aquitted, the firing of Paterno the way it went down is going to look so much worse.
 
2012-06-20 03:32:02 PM

srhp29: The Muthaship: Levarien: That said, it just takes one Penn St die hard fan to make this a mistrial.

4 employees of PSU and 2 students on the jury.

If they do, they will be betraying the University that definitely wants him found guilty at this point...If he is aquitted, the firing of Paterno the way it went down is going to look so much worse.


Agreed. If any member of the jury lets their connection with Penn St affect their decision, it will certainly be to convict. A conviction provides a clearer path to closure, removes some of the unwanted attention, and allows all of the blame for what is looking more and more like a systematic failure to be placed on one sick sociopath.

A "Not Guilty" verdict (which I am betting on at the moment) causes a new national furor, puts this case even more front-and-center in the public eye, and drags PSU even further into the gutter.
 
2012-06-20 03:46:47 PM

Maud Dib: This was the 1999 Alamo Bowl incident. And if the Feds won't prosecute, Texas is ready to extradite him, and he'll burn for sure.


Heh, yep. The Bexar County (San Antonio) D.A. has basically come out and said "We'll see what happens in Pennsylvania, but if they don't lock him up for the rest of his life, we'll bring him down here. He'll get a fair trial, and then we'll hang him."
 
2012-06-20 03:48:19 PM
'and we expect a lot of our kids."

Like semen when they fart.
 
2012-06-20 03:53:27 PM

scottydoesntknow: The Muthaship: MugzyBrown: ftfy. if you're going to go. go all out.

I'm not making anything up.. officers were on tape coaching up one of the witnesses.. They testified they never did such a thing.

Link, please.

Link

Yahoo reported it yesterday. A few redlinks went up here


wow coaching witnesses. that never happens. next there will be a link about lawyers having their clients dress in certain ways to get sympathy from the jury.

They should definitely let this man go free on a bullshiat technicality.
 
2012-06-20 04:01:50 PM

AbbeySomeone: She's going to say whatever she needs to to cover both their asses. She knew something was up. She is a classic enabler.


I think shes watching her cushy retirement fly out the window and now shes looking at living in a shiatty nursing home in a few years while sandusky lives in prison.
 
2012-06-20 04:05:29 PM

MugzyBrown: Not a lot of talk about the two officers who lied under oath about if they prepped accusers about what other accusers were saying about Sandusky.


The problem was they asked those questions after they already gave testimony, it sounds like a perry mason moment but its not, all those questions happened to the end of their interviews, when they already talked about how sandusky acted inappropriately.
 
2012-06-20 04:21:45 PM

JohnBigBootay: The press wants everything to be black and white but it's just not.


Right, it is 50 shades of gray.
 
2012-06-20 04:25:20 PM

quickdraw: *shudder*
Shes obviously evil. No kind person would wear that awful lime green sweater where others would have to see it.


She'd look better in boy shorts.
 
2012-06-20 04:30:29 PM

rudemix: 'and we expect a lot of our kids."

Like semen when they fart.


Certainly lived up to your handle. Christ ...
 
2012-06-20 04:32:05 PM

Hofheim: [img525.imageshack.us image 112x157]


Can someone generate a larger version of this?
 
2012-06-20 04:33:27 PM

desertgeek: To be fair, we saw how the students at that school reacted when Paterno got canned. Any sane, rational person wouldn't have joined a riot over a football coach getting fired. That sort of partisanship does seem to exist up there.


Shock and denial, anger and bargaining, pain and guilt, etc. - seven stages of grief and all that. It was entirely predictable. We're all the same species after all. I would expect a guy who'd been around for fifty years to engender more loyalty than a guy who had been around for three. I don't excuse wrong action. I just understand it. I mean if you are asking me to believe that the football fans of Penn State are somehow markedly different in their moral makeup in a negative way than, say, people in Oklahoma or Florida or Washington or Michigan - well, I'm sorry. But I don't. Like it or not we're all more alike than different. One thing that is shockingly consistent in child abuse cases is the initial disbelief that your father or brother or friend or uncle or priest or football coach, etc. could have been involved. The crowd/mob mentality certainly didn't help. People get emboldened by lots of things - numbers, anonymity, emotion, etc. and act in a way that they normally wouldn't. My bother in-law the anarchist painted his truck red, white and blue on September 12th - he still can't believe he did it. Crises tend to cause some of us to go a bit nuts sometimes. We're often embarrassed soon afterwards. Again, I don't excuse it - I just understand it and I don't think it makes them child-molester enabling monsters.
 
2012-06-20 04:34:09 PM

Broktun: Right, it is 50 shades of gray.


Heh. Good one.
 
2012-06-20 04:40:59 PM

drivingsouth: I had a Mexican dinner last night that should have been called the "Jerry Sandusky". It made my ass hurt and I had to throw out my underwear.


I hope you get a chance to tell that joke in front of one of his rape victims.

I'm sure it'll be a hit.
 
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