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2012-06-20 10:41:25 AM  
I missed the part of the article where she states that she has a big collection of pirated music.

Spotify is a service that pays artists.

Hell, I haven't bought a CD in years. If there is a song I want to listen to, I listen to it on spotify, or search youtube for the music video.

In rare cases when I want to listen to a certain song more than once in a great while, I go on itunes and buy that one song.

The fact that 99.99997% of all music released recently is pure unadulterated fecal matter is a good reason for this.
 
2012-06-20 10:46:43 AM  
 
2012-06-20 11:01:39 AM  
Oh, blow the man down, bullies, blow the man down!
To me way-aye, blow the man down.
Oh, Blow the man down, bullies, blow him right down!
Give me some time to blow the man down!
 
2012-06-20 11:04:45 AM  

Zalan: The fact that 99.99997% of all music released recently is pure unadulterated fecal matter


FTFY.
 
2012-06-20 11:06:02 AM  
Digital copy =/= pirated.
 
2012-06-20 11:06:34 AM  

JerseyTim: Zalan: I missed the part of the article where she states that she has a big collection of pirated music.

I am an avid music listener, concertgoer, and college radio DJ. My world is music-centric. I've only bought 15 CDs in my lifetime. Yet, my entire iTunes library exceeds 11,000 songs.


She's 21 and possibly means physical CDs. Buying digital music has been around since the time she would've gotten a part-time job.
 
2012-06-20 11:06:49 AM  

JerseyTim: Zalan: I missed the part of the article where she states that she has a big collection of pirated music.

I am an avid music listener, concertgoer, and college radio DJ. My world is music-centric. I've only bought 15 CDs in my lifetime. Yet, my entire iTunes library exceeds 11,000 songs.


You do know that on iTunes, you aren't forced to buy an entire album if you only want one song, right? Considering that the majority of songs on albums are shoveled on there to bulk up the minutes on the album.

So, the real story is over at NPR, but tardmitter decided to link to the Consumerist story instead that had didn't have anything to do with the headline.

And even in the NPR story they state that only a part of their collection is pirated:

"But I didn't illegally download (most) of my songs. A few are, admittedly, from a stint in the 5th grade with the file-sharing program Kazaa. Some are from my family. I've swapped hundreds of mix CDs with friends. My senior prom date took my iPod home once and returned it to me with 15 gigs of Big Star, The Velvet Underground and Yo La Tengo (I owe him one)."
 
2012-06-20 11:08:43 AM  

JerseyTim: Zalan: I missed the part of the article where she states that she has a big collection of pirated music.

I am an avid music listener, concertgoer, and college radio DJ. My world is music-centric. I've only bought 15 CDs in my lifetime. Yet, my entire iTunes library exceeds 11,000 songs.


I have not bought a CD- a compact disc- in the last year. I have purchased several albums, but not in a physical medium. I have pirated none of them.
 
2012-06-20 11:09:27 AM  
The only reason artists don't make any money from spotify, is because all the royalties go to the studios. Like it's always been since the music industry was invented.
 
2012-06-20 11:09:44 AM  

Zalan: You do know that on iTunes, you aren't forced to buy an entire album if you only want one song, right?


Also, even if that were the case, "CD" to me means physical copy. So if I bought 10 full albums from iTunes and two full albums at the mall and you asked how many CDs I bought this month, I'd tell you two.
 
2012-06-20 11:10:05 AM  

JerseyTim: Zalan: I missed the part of the article where she states that she has a big collection of pirated music.

I am an avid music listener, concertgoer, and college radio DJ. My world is music-centric. I've only bought 15 CDs in my lifetime. Yet, my entire iTunes library exceeds 11,000 songs.


FTA:"But I didn't illegally download (most) of my songs. A few are, admittedly, from a stint in the 5th grade with the file-sharing program Kazaa. Some are from my family. I've swapped hundreds of mix CDs with friends. My senior prom date took my iPod home once and returned it to me with 15 gigs of Big Star, The Velvet Underground and Yo La Tengo (I owe him one).

During my first semester at college, my music library more than tripled. I spent hours sitting on the floor of my college radio station, ripping music onto my laptop. The walls were lined with hundreds of albums sent by promo companies and labels to our station over the years."

Reading is fundamental.
 
2012-06-20 11:10:07 AM  
maybe she just meant that she doesn't buy physical CDS, but pays for legal copies via Itunes.

I still like physical CDs, but I realize that I'm kind of a dinosaur that way.
 
2012-06-20 11:11:04 AM  
Screw David Lowery and his bush-league scapegoating horseshiat where he tries to say music piracy killed Vic Chesnutt and Mark Linkous. Yeah, don't be mad at the corrupt industry and its failed methods that you played along with every step of the way, just try to guilt-trip a 21 year-old.


/"And radios with cassette recorder decks are ruining the music industy! And blank CDs are ruining the music industry!!! And, used CD retailers are ruining the music industry!"
 
2012-06-20 11:12:13 AM  
The availability of on demand streaming music makes ownership of even digital media unnecessary. Naturally of course if civilization collapsed tomorrow or the record companies went full retard and made digital music over the Internet unavailable I'd have to break out my CD collection again. But at this point...it mostly sorta sits there, waiting.
 
2012-06-20 11:12:48 AM  
I hate these people, they have gigs and gigs of music, tens of thousands of songs, you don't care about music or listening to music, you are simply a hoarder. You collect music the way crazy women collect beanie babies or coupons they will never use.

People who really love music will listen to the same album over and over again, they will obsess over the songs and the meaning of every lyric, they don't have time to collect 11,000 songs and give them the attention they deserve. My dad collected awesomer records he loved his whole life, his collection was less than a hundred albums, mostly amazing albums, but still not a hoarders pile of collected crap.
 
2012-06-20 11:13:33 AM  
Musicians are such farking whiners. It's like I always tell the waiters who confront me when I don't pay them their extortion tax: if you aren't getting paid enough, then get another job or take it up with your boss (in this case the record label).
 
2012-06-20 11:15:48 AM  
Oh look, a Fark headline that lies to get greenlit.
That's really a new tactic.
 
2012-06-20 11:16:23 AM  

mantabulous: Musicians are such farking whiners. It's like I always tell the waiters who confront me when I don't pay them their extortion tax: if you aren't getting paid enough, then get another job or take it up with your boss (in this case the record label).


How is their boss going to pay them if they don't have any income either?
 
2012-06-20 11:16:40 AM  

Trackball: Digital copy =/= pirated.


Taking something of material value that is not freely offered by its creator or rightful owner = theft.
 
2012-06-20 11:19:05 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

I guess I'm a hardened criminal since I just ripped a couple of CDs that belong to my parents the other day.
 
2012-06-20 11:19:52 AM  
Excellent not-so-much-rebuttal-as-chiding-on-misplaced-fury by Travis Morrison, formerly of the Dismemberment Plan.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/travis-morrison/hey-dude-from-cracker-i m _b_1610557.html
 
2012-06-20 11:20:05 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Oh, blow the man down, bullies, blow the man down!
To me way-aye, blow the man down.
Oh, Blow the man down, bullies, blow him right down!
Give me some time to blow the man down!


Are you the Singing Bush?
 
2012-06-20 11:20:06 AM  

fluffy2097: The only reason artists don't make any money from spotify, is because all the royalties go to the studios. Like it's always been since the music industry was invented.


And I have no sympathy for the artists there either. You had fifteen years to stand up to the labels and most of you chose not to.

Suckers.
 
2012-06-20 11:20:06 AM  

manimal2878: I hate these people, they have gigs and gigs of music, tens of thousands of songs, you don't care about music or listening to music, you are simply a hoarder. You collect music the way crazy women collect beanie babies or coupons they will never use.

People who really love music will listen to the same album over and over again, they will obsess over the songs and the meaning of every lyric, they don't have time to collect 11,000 songs and give them the attention they deserve. My dad collected awesomer records he loved his whole life, his collection was less than a hundred albums, mostly amazing albums, but still not a hoarders pile of collected crap.


Or, you know, some people enjoy a variety.

If i wanted to listen to the same songs over and over again I would just tune into a radio station. Their playlists generally remain unchanged.
 
2012-06-20 11:20:44 AM  
Back when I was in college it was right around the heyday of the original Napster, and I pirated some music too.

Then I graduated, kind of grew out of the entitlement mentality, realized that it was more personally gratifying to support the artists I like by paying for their work, and $10 for an album is really pretty reasonable.

I'm not a music geek or audiophile, but I buy maybe a half-dozen albums per year. It's not an excessive financial hardship.
 
2012-06-20 11:21:07 AM  

AcneVulgaris: mantabulous: Musicians are such farking whiners. It's like I always tell the waiters who confront me when I don't pay them their extortion tax: if you aren't getting paid enough, then get another job or take it up with your boss (in this case the record label).

How is their boss going to pay them if they don't have any income either?


If it were a local restaurant, you might have a point. But in reality, we are generally talking about very large record companies. The idea that they are too broke to pay their employees is laughable.
 
2012-06-20 11:21:14 AM  

El Freak: JerseyTim: Zalan: I missed the part of the article where she states that she has a big collection of pirated music.

I am an avid music listener, concertgoer, and college radio DJ. My world is music-centric. I've only bought 15 CDs in my lifetime. Yet, my entire iTunes library exceeds 11,000 songs.

FTA:"But I didn't illegally download (most) of my songs. A few are, admittedly, from a stint in the 5th grade with the file-sharing program Kazaa. Some are from my family. I've swapped hundreds of mix CDs with friends. My senior prom date took my iPod home once and returned it to me with 15 gigs of Big Star, The Velvet Underground and Yo La Tengo (I owe him one).

During my first semester at college, my music library more than tripled. I spent hours sitting on the floor of my college radio station, ripping music onto my laptop. The walls were lined with hundreds of albums sent by promo companies and labels to our station over the years."

Reading is fundamental.


I pirated SO DAMN MUCH when i was growing up. Now that i have a real job, i wrote down every album i could name off the top of my head that i actually liked. No research, just all mure musical love.

It came up to about $700 in itunes. I figured if i buy 1 or 2 albums a month and REALLY listen to them like a motherfarker (and buy a few single songs here and there), i can finally start negating some of what i did.

I don't really like a service like Spotify (though it's amazing for those who use it a bunch), i'll just pass up so much good stuff if the entire library is infront of me. Taking it in these $40-$50 bursts has helped me get in tune with what i really like musically. For all the stuff in between my albums i listen to SiriusXM, it's been pretty good for the past 4 months.

THAT BEING SAID. I've bought less than 20 CDs in my day. I can name one i truly regret.

gashaus.com

/I'M SORRY, I WAS YOUNG AND IMPRESSIONABLE.
 
2012-06-20 11:22:31 AM  

Zalan:

"But I didn't illegally download (most) of my songs. A few are, admittedly, from a stint in the 5th grade with the file-sharing program Kazaa. Some are from my family. I've swapped hundreds of mix CDs with friends. My senior prom date took my iPod home once and returned it to me with 15 gigs of Big Star, The Velvet Underground and Yo La Tengo (I owe him one)."


No....MOST of her collection is pirated. Very little is downloaded. Big difference.
 
2012-06-20 11:23:18 AM  
A few are, admittedly, from a stint in the 5th grade with the file-sharing program Kazaa.

Damn...Now I feel old

In the 5th grade (computer related) I was playing X-Wing and passing around Doom shareware.....
 
2012-06-20 11:23:27 AM  
11000 songs!

Girl you are a rank amatour at music collecting.
Here's a good start:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-20 11:23:40 AM  

Lernaeus: Trackball: Digital copy =/= pirated.

Taking something of material value that is not freely offered by its creator or rightful owner = theft.


When talking about unlicensed digital copying, it is in no way legally theft. It's "unlicensed copying of materials" otherwise known as "copyright infringement."

Stop calling it theft. It's the wrong word.
 
2012-06-20 11:24:03 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: And I have no sympathy for the artists there either. You had fifteen years to stand up to the labels and most of you chose not to.

Suckers.



The last CD I bought was a CD-R with a inkjet printed label jewel case art. All made by the artist.

Best $15 + shipping and handling I ever spent on a CD.
 
2012-06-20 11:26:02 AM  
I bought my milk crates from Meijer. Oddly enough, they are holding my CD collection.
 
2012-06-20 11:26:40 AM  

EyeballKid: Screw David Lowery and his bush-league scapegoating horseshiat where he tries to say music piracy killed Vic Chesnutt and Mark Linkous. Yeah, don't be mad at the corrupt industry and its failed methods that you played along with every step of the way, just try to guilt-trip a 21 year-old.


/"And radios with cassette recorder decks are ruining the music industy! And blank CDs are ruining the music industry!!! And, used CD retailers are ruining the music industry!"



You can say X is/are ruining the music industry all day. the only time that the sentence is valid is when X = the music industry.
 
2012-06-20 11:27:05 AM  

Lernaeus: Trackball: Digital copy =/= pirated.

Taking something of material value that is not freely offered by its creator or rightful owner = theft.


Actually, there's good case law out and about that says unless it's "tangible", it isn't theft.
 
2012-06-20 11:27:39 AM  
i spent like $7000+ this past year on iTunes alone. the other money went to weed
 
2012-06-20 11:27:44 AM  

Burr: A few are, admittedly, from a stint in the 5th grade with the file-sharing program Kazaa.

Damn...Now I feel old

In the 5th grade (computer related) I was playing X-Wing and passing around Doom shareware.....


I was graduating from University.
 
2012-06-20 11:27:44 AM  

MightyPez: Lernaeus: Trackball: Digital copy =/= pirated.

Taking something of material value that is not freely offered by its creator or rightful owner = theft.

When talking about unlicensed digital copying, it is in no way legally theft. It's "unlicensed copying of materials" otherwise known as "copyright infringement."

Stop calling it theft. It's the wrong word.



The semantics game is tiresome.


Stealing is stealing.
 
2012-06-20 11:28:07 AM  

manimal2878: I hate these people, they have gigs and gigs of music, tens of thousands of songs, you don't care about music or listening to music, you are simply a hoarder. You collect music the way crazy women collect beanie babies or coupons they will never use.

People who really love music will listen to the same album over and over again, they will obsess over the songs and the meaning of every lyric, they don't have time to collect 11,000 songs and give them the attention they deserve. My dad collected awesomer records he loved his whole life, his collection was less than a hundred albums, mostly amazing albums, but still not a hoarders pile of collected crap.


So glad we have an expert to define for all of us what constitutes a "real" music lover. Teenage girls obsess over every lyric of each new Justin Beber song. My 3 year old jams to the same Barney songs all day, every day.

I guess they're "real" music lovers too.

"Real" music lovers try to figure out the way the system works and do everything possible to promote, support and introduce their favorite music to anyone they can. "Hoarders" find something like Shake Russel and Dana Cooper's "Ballad of the Snow Leopard" and never share it with anyone, and sit waist deep in their music snobbery dictating to the world what "real music" is while never sharing it.

In any case, for those of you with taste, you might try to get out and see my favorite artist - Roger Clyne... but in lieu of that, you could listen to some Slobberbone, or Old 97's or Weezer. Trust me - you would be a better person for listening to any of them. The Drive By Truckers are equally fantastic... I'm listening to "Decoration Day" right now and will follow it up with "The Company I Keep".

Oh - and one thing I also learned from my snobby elitist music buddies was to never denigrate any genre of music regardless of whether or not it appeals to you. It's not hard to not listen to music you don't like, so don't listen and let it go...

When I go for my run, I'm going to play "Losing Streak" by Less Than Jake. I would highly recommend that group to anyone who thinks they might like punk/ska/great storytelling.

/loves music, even Jim Croce
 
2012-06-20 11:28:39 AM  
For all the whining that Mr. Lowery is doing about compensating artists for their music, he seems to forget that artists make very little, if anything, from actual sales. Merch and concerts is how they make their dough in most cases. So "stealing" music is really hurting the record companies more than anyone these days. And you know what? Who cares. With all the payola shiat and everything else that has happened over the years, they can DIAF. In this day and age artists no longer need a the distribution power of the labels.
 
2012-06-20 11:28:41 AM  

manimal2878: People who really love music will listen to the same album over and over again, they will obsess over the songs and the meaning of every lyric, they don't have time to collect 11,000 songs and give them the attention they deserve. My dad collected awesomer records he loved his whole life, his collection was less than a hundred albums, mostly amazing albums, but still not a hoarders pile of collected crap.


There used to be a deliberate process and ritual when it came to spinning vinyl. It took a little bit of time and care, and you generally paid closer attention to the album because skipping tracks, fast forwarding or repeating wasn't a click away. People tend to appreciate that which takes some sort of deliberate effort.

Fast forward to a neighbour of mine who has gigs upon gigs on his iphone. He drives me nuts because he rarely listens to a full track. He'll be on the back deck, put on a song and then say, "whoa, you gotta hear this" or "this one'll be perfect right now". He treats his music collection like most treat a TV/remote control - he commits a minute to a song before wanting to see if he can find the PERFECT track for the moment, which he never does, because he's never really in the moment, just busy planning for the next moment.
 
2012-06-20 11:28:46 AM  

kidgenius: No....MOST of her collection is pirated. Very little is downloaded. Big difference.


Before CD's there was a thing called tape.

When you bought a tape player you'd get dual tape decks, and they came with the ability to copy ANY TAPE THAT FIT INTO THE MACHINE onto ANY OTHER TAPE!

It was all perfectly legal too, so long as you were not selling the copies.

Everyone had dubbed tapes back in the day.

Similar practices were carried out with VHS tapes.
 
2012-06-20 11:28:52 AM  
Guilting people into paying hasn't worked for the last 15 years. It's not going to start working anytime soon. The genie is out of the bottle, David. Propose something else besides forcing it back in.

Most bands make their money from touring and licensing these days. Also, nobody signs to a major anymore because it's a ripoff for the artist.
 
2012-06-20 11:30:04 AM  
And none of that money goes to the artists!

Musicians routinely get less than a 5% cut from the sales of music. With smaller bands, it might be less than 2%. Songwriters often get a similar cut. If I am going to support a band, it'll be by going to their concerts and buying memorabilia while there. They get a significantly higher cut.
 
2012-06-20 11:30:11 AM  

manimal2878: I hate these people, they have gigs and gigs of music, tens of thousands of songs, you don't care about music or listening to music, you are simply a hoarder. You collect music the way crazy women collect beanie babies or coupons they will never use.

People who really love music will listen to the same album over and over again, they will obsess over the songs and the meaning of every lyric, they don't have time to collect 11,000 songs and give them the attention they deserve. My dad collected awesomer records he loved his whole life, his collection was less than a hundred albums, mostly amazing albums, but still not a hoarders pile of collected crap.


look i'm sorry just cause i can sing to ADELE songs but not the shiat i download and THINK i'm gonna listen to (like gangsta rap) doesn't make me a hoarder. i'm in fact a conisseour. cause i can sing ADELE
 
2012-06-20 11:30:34 AM  

Lernaeus: Trackball: Digital copy =/= pirated.

Taking something of material value that is not freely offered by its creator or rightful owner = theft.


If the record companies want their product to be treated as software, then they must warranty that software against damage. If a buy a copy of Windows 7 and the DVD/CD goes bad, I contact Microsoft with my information and they ship me a fresh copy (or at least allow me to download another copy). I buy a copy of "21" by Adele and leave the CD in the car on a hot day and it gets damaged, Columbia Records tell me to go to Best Buy and buy another CD. Seem right to you?

Point being...the record companies want their cake and they want to eat it too. They want the ability to tell you how/when you can share a piece of software in the form of a song, yet they want to treat it as a disposable product that must be repurchased if damaged. I call bullshiat.
 
2012-06-20 11:30:34 AM  

mantabulous: Musicians are such farking whiners. It's like I always tell the waiters who confront me when I don't pay them their extortion tax: if you aren't getting paid enough, then get another job or take it up with your boss (in this case the record label).


If people were buying the music from the 'record label' then there wouldn't be a problem.
 
2012-06-20 11:31:01 AM  

nickerj1: Lernaeus: Trackball: Digital copy =/= pirated.

Taking something of material value that is not freely offered by its creator or rightful owner = theft.

Actually, there's good case law out and about that says unless it's "tangible", it isn't theft.


Theft of services (eg. fleeing a taxi at your destination without paying the fare) is generally regarded as theft, even though nothing tangible is taken. It's usually prosecuted as larceny, the same as if you had taken someone's physical property.
 
2012-06-20 11:31:18 AM  

Bob_Laublaw: manimal2878: People who really love music will listen to the same album over and over again, they will obsess over the songs and the meaning of every lyric, they don't have time to collect 11,000 songs and give them the attention they deserve. My dad collected awesomer records he loved his whole life, his collection was less than a hundred albums, mostly amazing albums, but still not a hoarders pile of collected crap.

There used to be a deliberate process and ritual when it came to spinning vinyl. It took a little bit of time and care, and you generally paid closer attention to the album because skipping tracks, fast forwarding or repeating wasn't a click away. People tend to appreciate that which takes some sort of deliberate effort.

Fast forward to a neighbour of mine who has gigs upon gigs on his iphone. He drives me nuts because he rarely listens to a full track. He'll be on the back deck, put on a song and then say, "whoa, you gotta hear this" or "this one'll be perfect right now". He treats his music collection like most treat a TV/remote control - he commits a minute to a song before wanting to see if he can find the PERFECT track for the moment, which he never does, because he's never really in the moment, just busy planning for the next moment.


have you even LISTENED to music these days? it all sucks. tell me about it
 
2012-06-20 11:31:54 AM  

T.M.S.: MightyPez: Lernaeus: Trackball: Digital copy =/= pirated.

Taking something of material value that is not freely offered by its creator or rightful owner = theft.

When talking about unlicensed digital copying, it is in no way legally theft. It's "unlicensed copying of materials" otherwise known as "copyright infringement."

Stop calling it theft. It's the wrong word.


The semantics game is tiresome.


Stealing is stealing.


No it's not. It isn't that difficult of a concept. As stated above, recent court cases have reaffirmed that copying non-tangible items does not fall under the definition of theft. It is copyright infringement. It doesn't excuse the action. It's still wrong to do. And more often than not, copying a CD you don't have the right to copy carries stiffer penalties than walking out of a store with a CD in your pocket. If you don't like it, appeal to the courts. But as it stands, it's the wrong word.
 
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