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(Politico)   Andrea Mitchell: The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with edited Romney tape - we did. But we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth MSNBC or the United States of America   (politico.com) divider line 394
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2012-06-20 01:11:26 PM
"MSNBC did not edit anything out of order or out of sequence and at no time did we intend to deceive our viewers."
it continued: "You must have us confused with Fox."
 
2012-06-20 01:12:02 PM
The Flexecutioner: Romney is old enough to remember Automats, the little corner-hole entrances to a glass wall of sandwich wedges, cups of soup, snacks, etc. that you put money into hit a button, and the door opens to get your item. These were in places as late as the 70s that I can remember that still offered such a transaction. WaWa didnt do anything innovative. That concept has been around for almost 100 years.

Next he'll be triumphing the immense effects of the popularity of the auto-gyro as proof of the greatness of the private sector. This man is Montgomery Burns in his younger days. Again, TRULY out of touch with the world.


I'm not old enough to remember automats and live in the wrong part of the country to have stepped foot in a WaWa's, but from what I've read of each, they are two (mostly) different animals. The Automates were basically large vending machines with people on the other side filling windows with food that you could pick from. WaWas sounds more like a Subway or a Quiznos with a better ordering system. Touchscreen systems are pretty uncommon around me (near Seattle). I've seen one on the drink machine at a local restaurant (Coke Freestyle at the Blazing Onion) and an Ipdad POS system at a cupcake shop near my home.

So, since I've never seen a WaWa's system, am I out of touch?
 
2012-06-20 01:12:15 PM
starsrift: Which was indefensible - 33 pages for a change of address form is absolutely ridiculous if that's the correct rule for optometry - but that's besides the point.

The line I saw was "Romney wants to make it easier to commit Medicare fraud than to vote." Now, I don't know what all is on this form, and neither do you - but when you're talking about defining the recipient of millions of dollars in medicare reimbursements, don't you think it would be responsible to do more to ensure that government money is reaching the right person? All I hear from Romney is "Government should be more irresponsible with our money."
 
2012-06-20 01:12:27 PM
TheNyquilKid: Or when the Romney campaign it self does it. They are still running a campaign where they quote Obama quoting John McCain and they just happen to leave out the fact that he is quoting McCain.

At one time the media were called the Fourth Estate. They still smoke cigars and talk about how they are the last bastion holding the government to a standard of honesty. Glad that lie is exposed.

Politicians are expected to do that. The media thinks more highly of themselves. And brag about it. Then give us fake but accurate. Edited tapes. Infotainment. And still think that somehow, they are the Fourth Estate and due respect for holding the government accountable.
 
2012-06-20 01:14:18 PM
The Flexecutioner: Romney is old enough to remember Automats, the little corner-hole entrances to a glass wall of sandwich wedges, cups of soup, snacks, etc. that you put money into hit a button, and the door opens to get your item. These were in places as late as the 70s that I can remember that still offered such a transaction. WaWa didnt do anything innovative. That concept has been around for almost 100 years.

Next he'll be triumphing the immense effects of the popularity of the auto-gyro as proof of the greatness of the private sector. This man is Montgomery Burns in his younger days. Again, TRULY out of touch with the world.


A sandwich that makes itself?!!??! Where!?!?!
 
2012-06-20 01:18:13 PM
Eirik: The Flexecutioner: Romney is old enough to remember Automats, the little corner-hole entrances to a glass wall of sandwich wedges, cups of soup, snacks, etc. that you put money into hit a button, and the door opens to get your item. These were in places as late as the 70s that I can remember that still offered such a transaction. WaWa didnt do anything innovative. That concept has been around for almost 100 years.

Next he'll be triumphing the immense effects of the popularity of the auto-gyro as proof of the greatness of the private sector. This man is Montgomery Burns in his younger days. Again, TRULY out of touch with the world.

I'm not old enough to remember automats and live in the wrong part of the country to have stepped foot in a WaWa's, but from what I've read of each, they are two (mostly) different animals. The Automates were basically large vending machines with people on the other side filling windows with food that you could pick from. WaWas sounds more like a Subway or a Quiznos with a better ordering system. Touchscreen systems are pretty uncommon around me (near Seattle). I've seen one on the drink machine at a local restaurant (Coke Freestyle at the Blazing Onion) and an Ipdad POS system at a cupcake shop near my home.

So, since I've never seen a WaWa's system, am I out of touch?


that isnt what makes you out of touch. or Romney.
 
2012-06-20 01:18:19 PM
I love how they get up there and say they didn't have time to run a tape as short as that.

I'm sure the clips were fair and not at all biased
 
2012-06-20 01:21:16 PM
Enigmamf: don't you think it would be responsible to do more to ensure that government money is reaching the right person?

No. We can just let the Free Markets take care of that. The Invisible Hand will biatchslap those who would misuse the system by, well...I don't know exactly. All I know is that government regulations are always "burdensome" and serve no purpose whatsoever other than to make people's lives awful and difficult because...well, again I don't know why, exactly. I guess every time someone has to fill out a 300-page form in triplicate some liberal bureaucrat has an orgasm or something. We just need to remove all regulations and folks will just magically do the right thing...because of Jesus, I think.
 
2012-06-20 01:23:57 PM
Actually I just watched the relevant part of the actual speech and it is rather lengthy
 
2012-06-20 01:25:40 PM
There's seriously a business called "WaWa"?
 
2012-06-20 01:25:54 PM
Enigmamf: starsrift: Which was indefensible - 33 pages for a change of address form is absolutely ridiculous if that's the correct rule for optometry - but that's besides the point.

The line I saw was "Romney wants to make it easier to commit Medicare fraud than to vote." Now, I don't know what all is on this form, and neither do you - but when you're talking about defining the recipient of millions of dollars in medicare reimbursements, don't you think it would be responsible to do more to ensure that government money is reaching the right person? All I hear from Romney is "Government should be more irresponsible with our money."


BWAHA! Millions!?! Millions?!?! BWHAHAHA.

As I stated upthead, I'm an optometrist that takes Medicare. My reimbursement is typically in the hundreds, monthly. My last payment was slightly more than $12 for 30 minutes of chair time. I get so little from it for the headache that I've actively considered dropping it, but I have patients that need me to take it. Since Optometry is the red-headed stepchild of Medicare, I suspect few offices are making their monthly nut on Medicare unless they are in highly specialized practices (I could see a low-vision specialist doing a lot of routine billing, but not to the tune of millions)

I can tell you what a change of address form should need from Medicare. If I'm already credentialed, it should need my Medicare number, perhaps my NPI, my old address and my new address. It should also be something easy to take care of. They prefer to use the same 885 form for all that.

Why is it that it is so immensely worse to deal with medicare than it is to deal with Regenge Blue Shield, or Premera Blue Cross, or United Health Care? Or even Washington State Medicaid.

And waste and abuse is not something you're going to see with your usual change of address. It's more like code-padding, where you either claim to do things you didn't do, or bill for patients you never saw.
 
2012-06-20 01:28:10 PM
Smelly Pirate Hooker: There's seriously a business called "WaWa"?

Yep. And people who live around Philadelphia swear by it.
 
2012-06-20 01:28:30 PM
ciberido: RightHandOfZod: I have this idea, it's REVOLUTIONARY. Hear me out now. How about we stop airing videos of people with absolutely NO CONTEXT whatsoever and making sure that the video we show tell the whole story and not the soundbite one particular party line wishes to imply about their opponent. I know it's a crazy idea, but I think it's crazy enough to work.

Are you going to pay for all the extra airtime out of your pocket?


You don't have to show the entire story to provide context. But if you enjoy being half informed or outright lied to by news agencies then by all means let them continue as is giving nothing but opinion and conjecture in place of actual facts and news.
 
2012-06-20 01:28:43 PM
Mell of a Hess: Lando Lincoln

Uh, yeah, she's absolutely a journalist. And journalists don't report every single thing a person said, else they'd be transcriptionists instead of journalists.

Yes, they do. It's called citing and reporting. That's why they use quotes, and words like [sic].

Where did you go to journalism school?



No, they don't.

If you report on comments made by a guy in a 40 minute speech you only need quote the relevant parts. You don't have to quote the whole damn speech.
 
2012-06-20 01:29:31 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: Enigmamf: don't you think it would be responsible to do more to ensure that government money is reaching the right person?

No. We can just let the Free Markets take care of that. The Invisible Hand will biatchslap those who would misuse the system by, well...I don't know exactly. All I know is that government regulations are always "burdensome" and serve no purpose whatsoever other than to make people's lives awful and difficult because...well, again I don't know why, exactly. I guess every time someone has to fill out a 300-page form in triplicate some liberal bureaucrat has an orgasm or something. We just need to remove all regulations and folks will just magically do the right thing...because of Jesus, I think.


showcase.netins.net
 
2012-06-20 01:33:52 PM
Smelly Pirate Hooker: There's seriously a business called "WaWa"?

And everything's just a little bit better. At WaWa.
 
2012-06-20 01:34:40 PM
factoryconnection: GacysBasement: I bet it was. WaWa's make some damn good food.
/and for the uninformed, WaWa is an indian name for a Goose and the stores are offshoots from a large dairy in WaWa PA.

The southernmost Wawa is in Petersburg, VA, although they are planning some useless (to me) places in central Florida. Why do I know the exact location of the closest Wawa, three states away? Because their sandwiches are that freaking good and I get one every time I drive (each way) through VA on 95 from South Carolina. Wawa does the touch-screen system better than anyone.

Sheetz is okay.


This is good to know, as I have a Wawa currently under construction about half a mile from my house.
 
2012-06-20 01:36:03 PM
Eirik: Why is it that it is so immensely worse to deal with medicare

It's not.

Some producer thought it would be cute to get a Romney "scanner moment" and failed while missing the real story which is that

ROMNEY LIED.


AGAIN.

msnbc accidently did him a favor the first time around and his campaign is ineptly lobbying to have his lie exposed.
 
2012-06-20 01:39:20 PM
So Wawa uses computer screens and the customer has to fill out their own order? How is this creating jobs?

/also, when a news organization uses advertising, things get turned. like a worm.
 
2012-06-20 01:41:18 PM
Allen. The end.: So Wawa uses computer screens and the customer has to fill out their own order? How is this creating jobs?

Creating jobs for people who make computer screens.
 
2012-06-20 01:41:51 PM
ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: It left out the part where Mitt claimed that this was proof that private industry was miles ahead of the government in technological innovation, despite the fact that anyone who has set foot in a government office in the past 15 years has seen touch-screen, self-serve kiosks.

Really? The last couple of government offices I've visited have had knob&tube wiring, for god's sake.
 
2012-06-20 01:43:57 PM
IamAwake: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: It left out the part where Mitt claimed that this was proof that private industry was miles ahead of the government in technological innovation, despite the fact that anyone who has set foot in a government office in the past 15 years has seen touch-screen, self-serve kiosks.

is this a very specific government office you're thinking about? I can't think of one such as you're describing, and I'm in government offices of varying sorts on a very regular basis...


I had to get a new Social Security card about two years ago, in order to renew my drivers license. SS office was all touch screen to state your reason for visit and determine which drone behind bulletproof glass would "assist" you. After registration, then you quietly (emphasis on quietly) sit in a big room and wait to be called.
 
2012-06-20 01:44:20 PM
freetomato: ph0rk: Tyee: ph0rk: If that's the standard what news organizations are left? Comedy Central? NPR?

The fact that some people would think Comedy Central is a source for anything other, or more than a giggle is depressing. Some actually rely on CC as a news source and regard the commentary highly, go figure.

As it happens, those that do that are more informed than people who rely solely on either foxnews or msnbc. That is sad on a variety of levels.

The Daily Show doesn't make much sense unless one is up on the news. The jokes have no context otherwise. A few times, they've riffed on issues I'm unfamiliar with, leading me to research them on my own. In general I find it to be thought provoking humor, not mindless or malicious. Humor that is not mindless or malicious is not everyone's cup of tea.


Well, there's a lot of depressing smirks to be had at:

Guy with time stamp: "X is the worst thing my opponents will do to America and I will not let them inflict it on Americans!"
Same guy with a time a few years later campaigning/in a different position: "America is lacking in X! My opponents' don't support X; they don't support America"

It's an easy sort of humor, but if they're real emotional about both, it'll usually get a laugh.
 
2012-06-20 01:47:40 PM
Both Obama and Romney should just fart at all of their campaign stops. If anything, they will be funny and entertaining and each week people can vote on who did the best farting.
 
2012-06-20 01:50:59 PM
For the umpteenth time, people.

Wawa. Not WaWa.

encrypted-tbn2.google.com

Get it right, goddammit, its the greatest convenience store chain on the planet and the only worthwhile damn thing to ever come out of Delaware County, PA.
 
2012-06-20 01:51:39 PM
I thought the gaff was Mitt calling it a "touchtone keypad". What context did MSNBC cut out to make it sound like Mitt is out of touch with modern life?
 
2012-06-20 01:51:54 PM
If you are not from the area and you go to Wawa you should be amazed.

/Grew up down the street from one, worked there as a kid
// Will vote for Italian Shorti
 
2012-06-20 01:52:26 PM
Mikey1969: And buy 'The Network'

Who do you think we are, Mitt Romney?

/Firefox knows Mitt Romney - how to spell it at least
//Firefox didn't add Obama to the spell checker database until sometime last year
/Firefox has a conservative bias
 
2012-06-20 01:54:00 PM
Mrtraveler01: I'm not defending it moreso than pointing out the hypocrisy of those on the right decrying MSNBC for doing the same thing Fox News has done.

Other than they don't, you're absolutely correct.
 
2012-06-20 01:58:18 PM
Remember that guy, "Mitt Romney"? He ran against Obama back in '12.
 
2012-06-20 01:59:07 PM
jst3p: I don't understand what the "edited" version left out that was important in any way.

You have to read this one to get it. They left out his public/private sector comparison, and simply made him look like "Gramps can't program the VCR."

I didn't see the big deal until I saw the story i linked, either. And I don't watch TV news if I can help it, so I didn't see any of this happen. But if that's the way it went down, then yeah, MSNBC is busted.

And yes, I want Obama gone. But that doesn't mean I support Romney. I really don't think he's gonna be much different, overall. Wars will continue, jobs will not be created, Wall Street & the Fed will continue to rape us all, and the Constitution will remain at the bottom of the bird cage. Meh.
 
2012-06-20 01:59:57 PM
I wonder what kind of sandwich he ordered. I peg him as a "thinly sliced smoked baby seal on white, with the crust cut off, American cheese, and mayo" kind of guy.

/I peg Ron Paul as an egg salad on wheat, that he brown bagged from home.
 
2012-06-20 02:04:21 PM
LindyJohn: "What is truth?" Amirite, fark-lib's?

Yes, indeed, it's a question one should ask one's self often, especially since "Whatever Fox news tells me" is not actually the correct answer.
 
2012-06-20 02:04:58 PM
NPR played the thing in context from the start. Your first problem is watching any 24hour news network subtard.
 
2012-06-20 02:05:04 PM
This text is now purple: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: It left out the part where Mitt claimed that this was proof that private industry was miles ahead of the government in technological innovation, despite the fact that anyone who has set foot in a government office in the past 15 years has seen touch-screen, self-serve kiosks.

Really? The last couple of government offices I've visited have had knob&tube wiring, for god's sake.


The tubes are for the internets and the knobs are for...well...the knobs just work there.
 
2012-06-20 02:06:59 PM
CreampuffCasperMilktoast: I wonder what kind of sandwich he ordered. I peg him as a "thinly sliced smoked baby seal on white, with the crust cut off, American cheese, and mayo" kind of guy.

/I peg Ron Paul as an egg salad on wheat, that he brown bagged from home.


And Obama's packing chitlins and collard greens, amiright???
 
2012-06-20 02:07:38 PM
Diogenes: jehovahs witness protection: But MSNBC isn't biased at all, are they?

The added context doesn't really alter anything. And then they went and aired the whole thing anyway.

If they're trying to bias, they're doing a shiatty job.


Youre the definition of useful idiot. Good job. Do you remember when HWB went to a grocery store and was shown a brand new type of laser scanning system that the store claimed was far superior to the previous models, and expressed that he was impressed by the new technology. Then the media played it as if he had never seen a laser bar code reader before and claimed he was out of touch. That was the goal with the Romney piece. Mitchells intro and follow up make it clear that they were trying to give the impression that Romeny had never seen a touch-pad before, hence he would be "out of touch" with ordinary Americans. The clip in context shows that he compared a 33 page government address change document requiring months of paper chasing to the simplicity of the WaWa touch pad ordering system as an example of government inefficiency vs private competitive-ness and ingenuity.

If you cannot grasp that you are not safe while holding a television remote.

The scary thing is that its the advent of camera phones and you tube that are exposing this kind of behavior. It is likely that selective editing to bias reporting has been going on for decades prior to these examples.

And for the record, I have never seen a wawa touchpad before. The only time in my life I got a hoagy from a wawa was ages ago.I guess I must be out of touch. Pardon me, I have to go set a toilet on a closet flange cause thats what we elitists do all day long.
 
2012-06-20 02:08:03 PM

Headso: NPR played the thing in context from the start. Your first problem is watching any 24hour news network subtard.

Real liberals don't watch TV anyway.
 
2012-06-20 02:08:10 PM
SouthernFriedYankee: jst3p: I don't understand what the "edited" version left out that was important in any way.

You have to read this one to get it. They left out his public/private sector comparison, and simply made him look like "Gramps can't program the VCR."

I didn't see the big deal until I saw the story i linked, either. And I don't watch TV news if I can help it, so I didn't see any of this happen. But if that's the way it went down, then yeah, MSNBC is busted.

And yes, I want Obama gone. But that doesn't mean I support Romney . I really don't think he's gonna be much different, overall. Wars will continue, jobs will not be created, Wall Street & the Fed will continue to rape us all, and the Constitution will remain at the bottom of the bird cage. Meh.


But you'll be voting Romney, though. For no actual reason. Other than Obama Bad!
 
2012-06-20 02:09:20 PM
More_Like_A_Stain: This text is now purple: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: It left out the part where Mitt claimed that this was proof that private industry was miles ahead of the government in technological innovation, despite the fact that anyone who has set foot in a government office in the past 15 years has seen touch-screen, self-serve kiosks.

Really? The last couple of government offices I've visited have had knob&tube wiring, for god's sake.

The tubes are for the internets and the knobs are for...well...the knobs just work there.


City hall around here is resisting any change to digital because analog preserves office jobs and pensions. Government is NOT in the efficiency business at any level.
 
2012-06-20 02:09:48 PM
Leeds: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: I wonder what kind of sandwich he ordered. I peg him as a "thinly sliced smoked baby seal on white, with the crust cut off, American cheese, and mayo" kind of guy.

/I peg Ron Paul as an egg salad on wheat, that he brown bagged from home.

And Obama's packing chitlins and collard greens, amiright???


Asinine. No one anywhere near Martha's Vineyard serves such a delicacy.
 
2012-06-20 02:15:29 PM
archichris: The clip in context shows that he compared a 33 page government address change document requiring months of paper chasing to the simplicity of the WaWa touch pad ordering system as an example of government inefficiency vs private competitive-ness and ingenuity.

HE LIED.


There is no such document
. Mitchell's mistake was missing that story.
 
2012-06-20 02:15:53 PM
jehovahs witness protection: But MSNBC isn't biased at all, are they?

If you believe that there is anyone who isn't biased, you're probably not smart enough to figure out any of the other nuances of the story anyway.
 
2012-06-20 02:16:53 PM
CreampuffCasperMilktoast: I wonder what kind of sandwich he ordered. I peg him as a "thinly sliced smoked baby seal on white, with the crust cut off, American cheese, and mayo" kind of guy.

/I peg Ron Paul as an egg salad on wheat, that he brown bagged from home.


I imagine he just looks at the prices and picks the most expensive.
 
2012-06-20 02:18:48 PM
MSNBC is as bad as FOX, they're both ridiculous.
 
2012-06-20 02:19:30 PM
i saw rachel maddow making out with debbie wasserman shultz last night on msnbc.
it was pretty hot.
 
2012-06-20 02:19:45 PM
CreampuffCasperMilktoast: I wonder what kind of sandwich he ordered. I peg him as a "thinly sliced smoked baby seal on white, with the crust cut off, American cheese, and mayo" kind of guy.

/I peg Ron Paul as an egg salad on wheat, that he brown bagged from home.


Ron Paul doesn't believe in sandwiches; he feels the bread is bloat added needlessly to the contents and wants to return us to the days where you would just grab the animal in your teeth and shake your head back and forth until a meat breaks off.

/Return to the lard standard
 
2012-06-20 02:21:59 PM
the opposite of charity is justice: I love the look on Andrea Mitchell's face, she knows this "edit" changed nothing and the right's uproar is self-defeating. I've worn this look in the past when a customer demanded their laptop be upgraded to 512mbMByte from 1gbGByte of memory. "bigger numbers are better!" oh.... k.

FTFY. "mb" is milibit (which is impossible as you can't have less than a single bit). Megabyte is MB or MByte. m = mili, M= mega, b=bit, B= byte. Case matters.

Also, why not offer to "upgrade" the laptop from 1GB of memory to 1024MB? Charge them a minor service fee, do some basic cleanup work (shake out the Doritos crumbs and run a virus scan or something) so you aren't completely ripping them off, and everybody's happy.
 
2012-06-20 02:23:49 PM
SouthernFriedYankee: And yes, I want Obama gone. But that doesn't mean I support Romney. I really don't think he's gonna be much different, overall. Wars will continue, jobs will not be created, Wall Street & the Fed will continue to rape us all, and the Constitution will remain at the bottom of the bird cage. Meh.

So that's why we should vote Republican. "It's not like the Republicans make things THAT much worse so...why not?"
 
2012-06-20 02:26:54 PM
Smelly Pirate Hooker: There's seriously a business called "WaWa"?

Yep.

According to Wikipedia, Wawa Inc. is a chain of convenience store/gas stations located in the Mid-Atlantic region of the United States.
 
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