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(Politico)   Andrea Mitchell: The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with edited Romney tape - we did. But we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth MSNBC or the United States of America   ( politico.com) divider line
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2012-06-20 11:52:46 AM  
All of the lamestream propagandists are liars!
 
2012-06-20 11:53:06 AM  

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: It also left out the part where he related a Michele Bachmann-esque "Some Guy told me" story about a 33-page Medicare change-of-address form that doesn't exist.


that form part really does strain credibility. unless you are a tea party american in which case -- OMG socialism. Romney has a documented history of lying.

why this is even getting our attention says too much bad stuff about the political process this year.
 
2012-06-20 11:53:19 AM  

Eirik: Lando Lincoln: starsrift: Which was indefensible - 33 pages for a change of address form is absolutely ridiculous if that's the correct rule for optometry - but that's besides the point.

So you really believe that it takes 33 pages to change an address?

Huh.

http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/CMS-Forms/CMS-Forms/Downloads/cms855i.pdf

It's 28 pages, but it's probably the form that he was using, or perhaps a different 855.


THAT IS FARKING RIDICULOUS!
Seriously, that is a real thing?

What bored-ass bureaucrat comes up with this shiat? Good grief.
 
2012-06-20 11:54:23 AM  
"When I meet with world leaders, what's striking -- whether it's in Europe or here in Asia..." -mistakenly referring to Hawaii as Asia while holding a press conference outside Honolulu, Nov. 16, 2011

"We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad." -Cincinnati, OH, Sept. 22, 2011

"We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service. We don't want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy." -on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

"One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." -mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)

"The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." -attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009


"The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

"It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

"No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

"I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)


"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip)

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

"Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

"Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

"How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."


"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon
 
2012-06-20 11:54:40 AM  
I don't trust anything on the news...

I HATE George Bush... but if the media released a clip of him saying "I started the Iraq War illegally, I screwed up our economy, Clinton was the man, and no, I don't care about black people. " I wouldn't believe it and would think it was edited or taken out of context, even though it's something I'd love to see.
 
2012-06-20 11:56:57 AM  
I_C_Weener:

I'm still waiting to encounter my first touch screen food order place. Sounds...efficient.

That's what gets me. I have yet to see a touch screen interface at anyplace I've eaten at to take orders. I would be slightly amazed to see one and it would probably throw me the first time I saw one.

At least I get to use one of the touch screen Coke dispensers locally at the Blazing Onion.

You never heard of the Blazing Onion? You must be out of touch.
 
2012-06-20 11:57:17 AM  

RightHandOfZod: I have this idea, it's REVOLUTIONARY. Hear me out now. How about we stop airing videos of people with absolutely NO CONTEXT whatsoever and making sure that the video we show tell the whole story and not the soundbite one particular party line wishes to imply about their opponent. I know it's a crazy idea, but I think it's crazy enough to work.


Now now. Building strawmen is a time-honored tradition we hold dear. And besides, just think of all the video editors that would be out of work if we started just showing things in their raw form? Why do you hate the economy, and therefore, hate Murika?
 
2012-06-20 11:57:57 AM  

Eirik: Lando Lincoln: starsrift: Which was indefensible - 33 pages for a change of address form is absolutely ridiculous if that's the correct rule for optometry - but that's besides the point.

So you really believe that it takes 33 pages to change an address?

Huh.

http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/CMS-Forms/CMS-Forms/Downloads/cms855i.pdf

It's 28 pages, but it's probably the form that he was using, or perhaps a different 855.


So, it's a 28-page form, 10 of which are instructions. And for changing your address you have to fill out only six sections (see page 3 and 4), and even then only the sections that are changing. In other words, your address. So in no way do you have to "fill out a 33-page form." You basically just have to identify yourself and put in a couple new addresses. How farking hard is this?

So basically, the issue here isn't that the optometrist was overly burdened with bureaucracy, but rather that he's a moron who can't follow simple instructions.
 
2012-06-20 11:58:59 AM  

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: It left out the part where Mitt claimed that this was proof that private industry was miles ahead of the government in technological innovation, despite the fact that anyone who has set foot in a government office in the past 15 years has seen touch-screen, self-serve kiosks.


is this a very specific government office you're thinking about? I can't think of one such as you're describing, and I'm in government offices of varying sorts on a very regular basis...
 
2012-06-20 11:59:00 AM  

starsrift: Eirik: Lando Lincoln: starsrift: Which was indefensible - 33 pages for a change of address form is absolutely ridiculous if that's the correct rule for optometry - but that's besides the point.

So you really believe that it takes 33 pages to change an address?

Huh.

http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/CMS-Forms/CMS-Forms/Downloads/cms855i.pdf

It's 28 pages, but it's probably the form that he was using, or perhaps a different 855.

THAT IS FARKING RIDICULOUS!
Seriously, that is a real thing?

What bored-ass bureaucrat comes up with this shiat? Good grief.


Well, that's a practitioner enrollment form, not a change of address form. If they really require you to re-submit you enrollment form to change address he's still doing it wrong if he fills out the whole thing. Just update the relavant pages, pull the original out of your files, collate and submit.

/This is apparently Rocket Surgery to conservatives?
 
2012-06-20 12:00:00 PM  
Mitt Romney called the touchscreen a "touchtone keypad". No really, he did. Also, they've been using touchscreen technology at WaWa for 10 freaking years. It's AMAZING!
 
2012-06-20 12:00:09 PM  

actualhuman: Well, that's a practitioner enrollment form, not a change of address form. If they really require you to re-submit you enrollment form to change address he's still doing it wrong if he fills out the whole thing. Just update the relavant pages, pull the original out of your files, collate and submit.

/This is apparently Rocket Surgery to conservatives?


NINE NINE NINE!
 
2012-06-20 12:00:24 PM  
i would just like to use this thread like I have been using all of the threads on this speech: to reiterate Wawa is awesome.
 
2012-06-20 12:01:28 PM  

Lando Lincoln: actualhuman: Well, that's a practitioner enrollment form, not a change of address form. If they really require you to re-submit you enrollment form to change address he's still doing it wrong if he fills out the whole thing. Just update the relavant pages, pull the original out of your files, collate and submit.

/This is apparently Rocket Surgery to conservatives?

NINE NINE NINE!


Ahh....

... yes.

/I'll be taking my not-all-Irished coffee over here.
 
2012-06-20 12:02:28 PM  
Romney was amazed at the touch screen ordering system... but then complained as he waited for over a half hour for a waitress to come over and touch in his order for him.
 
2012-06-20 12:03:56 PM  
Ned Stark: "It pretty much is a sports match."

One doesn't define reality or proper social behavior based on the least common denominator of loudmouths and assholes.

Regardless of whether the internet is stuffed to the gills with team-before-reality rubes, shills and trolls:
One is not automatically pro-democrat because they criticize or disagree with conservatives, conservative policy or a conservative-serving press item.
One is not automatically pro-republican because they criticize or disagree with liberals, liberal policy or a liberal-serving press item.

Making or accepting such faulty assumptions doesn't identify you as having some great understanding of the conversation.
It identifies you as one of the rubes, shills or trolls.
 
2012-06-20 12:04:53 PM  

beefoe: They edited it to make is sound like Romney was totally amazed, and therefore out of touch with the common man, by the online ordering system at WAWA. Instead he was making a point about efficiency of private sector vs. public. Also they compared this to the GHW Bush checkout scanner incident which is another invention of the msm, at least according to snopes.com


Well Romney is rich, so he must be bad.
 
2012-06-20 12:04:55 PM  
MSNBC has obviously edited and played the tape to portray Romney as dumb and out of touch. There really isn't a more believable explanation than that. It's yellow journalism at best and MSNBC just got caught doing it again.

Go ahead and defend MSNBC, or accuse other media if you want, you might even have a legitimate point, but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting. They should no longer be considered a "News organization".

Lets not forget the Zimmerman 911 tapes that were also edited and played for no reason also. Unless the reason was to make Zimmerman look racist.
 
2012-06-20 12:06:11 PM  

starsrift: Eirik: Lando Lincoln: starsrift: Which was indefensible - 33 pages for a change of address form is absolutely ridiculous if that's the correct rule for optometry - but that's besides the point.

So you really believe that it takes 33 pages to change an address?

Huh.

http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/CMS-Forms/CMS-Forms/Downloads/cms855i.pdf

It's 28 pages, but it's probably the form that he was using, or perhaps a different 855.

THAT IS FARKING RIDICULOUS!
Seriously, that is a real thing?

What bored-ass bureaucrat comes up with this shiat? Good grief.


I just double-checked the CMS forms database to see if there was, in fact, a stand-alone CMS form for address changes. There isn't one that I could find. There are 205 different forms listed, including 5 different versions of the 855. In all my dealings with Medicare, everything starts with an 855 form. You don't have to fill out every section, of course, but you need to go through it carefully to make sure you're doing things right.

And lest people think you go though this with private insurance, when I changed my address in 2010 in anticipation of opening a new office, most insurance carriers who already had me credentialed needed either simply a one page letter stating this fact, or at most a single page form.
 
2012-06-20 12:06:19 PM  
I studied the issue of bias a bit back in the day, though I'm sure there's more than one Farker who could speak to more about this than I can.

We watched three news casts; two with bias and one with virtually none; taking a survey after each.
As you can imagine it's not an easy thing to do do -- to have unbiased reports and surveys, but they did their best. The two survey results were pretty much as expected with bias results. However, the report with no bias tended to leave people confused. As it turns out confused people don't consume as much as people who have had bias imprinted upon them, and with ads targeted for such. Confused people certainly don't consume as much as people who have been exposed to moderate to low levels of fear mongering.

Apparently there is a direct connection between fear and consumption accrross the animal kingdom.

I gues that makes us monkeys in more ways than one.

Perhaps you see where this is going, when you understand that a single rating point was worth a cool billion 20 years ago - I can only imagine what it is worth now.

At any rate, there are people who are paid to figure out ways to maximize profits at major networks. They pick their target audience and do all they can to bring in the ad revenue. An actual informed public be damned.
 
2012-06-20 12:06:26 PM  

TDWCom29: Edsel: Good, so we're all agreed that we're going to crack down on out-of-context quotes this election season? Awesome.

Only when it's an out-of-context conservative quote.

Also, I love how MSNBC is just as bad as Fox News even though they employ Joe Scarborough, and for the longest time employed Pat freaking Buchanan.


Sure, just like Fox employed Alan Colmes. The strategy is to find some ridiculous idiot with the opposing viewpoint to provide an illusion of being 'Fair and Balanced,' while still making the entire opposing viewpoint look stupid.

But MSNBC is no competition for Fox, even though they are trying their best to keep up in the race to the journalistic bottom. MSNBC has yet to shamelessly embrace their role as liberal propagandists the way Fox has embraced their role as conservative propagandists. They still seem to be holding back a little. Maybe it's because their management feels a twinge of guilt for taking the low road. Maybe it's because their audience isn't responding as well as Fox's audience.

But I think it's really just that MSNBC writers are not as good at interpreting current events through a rigid dogmatic ideology, which is what good propaganda requires. Fox succeeds because their audience loves to see the complex, messy real world, cleaned up and interpreted in a cohesive way that makes sense, even if they have to ignore some inconvenient facts to get there. Fox lets them pay attention to what they want to pay attention to.

It's like church. "All of us in the reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1915, believes the same, so we must be right. Right? Right. Unlike those idiots in the reformed Baptist church of god, reformation of 1879. Heathen scum."
 
2012-06-20 12:06:26 PM  
Compared to fox... really?

The right just needs to shut about integrity until they get some themselves.
 
2012-06-20 12:07:08 PM  
ManateeGag
so, Fox edits a tape to make Liberal's look bad, they are true patriots. MSNBC edits tapes to make Conservatives look bad, spawns of Satan. Is that how it works?


"You did it too" is a really lame comeback. Andrea Mitchell is the Sean Hannity of the left-yet MSNBC markets themselves as being objective. Both Fox and MSNBC need to go away.
 
2012-06-20 12:07:08 PM  
MSNBC is a clone of Fox News.

Both are 10% news, 40% opinion, and the remaining 50% is a yammerfest designed to hide the fact that they seldom report news.
 
2012-06-20 12:07:49 PM  

Tyee: Go ahead and defend MSNBC, or accuse other media if you want, you might even have a legitimate point, but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting. They should no longer be considered a "News organization".


If that's the standard what news organizations are left? Comedy Central? NPR?
 
2012-06-20 12:08:45 PM  

jaybeezey: Well Romney is rich, so he must be bad.


well, romney is a blatant example of someome who caused the problems which lead to the global economic collapse, so he must be bad.

well, romney strapped his family dog to the roof of his car for 12 hours for a road trip, so he must be bad.

//better examples?
//could go on, but really don't need to
 
2012-06-20 12:08:59 PM  

ManateeGag: so, Fox edits a tape to make Liberal's look bad, they are true patriots. MSNBC edits tapes to make Conservatives look bad, spawns of Satan. Is that how it works?


Too bad there wasn't a network that was somewhere between the two.
 
2012-06-20 12:09:21 PM  

Tyee: Go ahead and defend MSNBC, or accuse other media if you want, you might even have a legitimate point, but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting. They should no longer be considered a "News organization".


Fine, Fox News should stop calling itself a news organization as well then.

Deal?
 
Ehh
2012-06-20 12:09:50 PM  
What kind of mustard was on the sandwich that Romney ordered?
 
2012-06-20 12:09:54 PM  

TimonC346: jehovahs witness protection: But MSNBC isn't biased at all, are they?

They are, and that sucks. I'm always disappointed about it too. I wish liberals didn't act like crappy conservative blowhards who lie for attention.

I won't watch MSNBC because of it. I never, ever want to be associated with anything Fox News does, even passively, and even if it suits my political leaning.


THIS

If you feel it's your job to lie to make a politician look good or lie to make a politician look bad, you're a bad person and you should feel bad.

Politicians should sink or swim based on their actions in office.
 
2012-06-20 12:10:26 PM  

ph0rk: Tyee: Go ahead and defend MSNBC, or accuse other media if you want, you might even have a legitimate point, but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting. They should no longer be considered a "News organization".

If that's the standard what news organizations are left? Comedy Central? NPR?


Fark.com.
 
2012-06-20 12:11:39 PM  
Mrs. Alan Greenspan is not a lefty loon. The edited video is actually more kind to Romney than the unedited video. Also, Romney called the touchscreen a "touchtone keypad". No amount of editing will make that sound worse.
 
2012-06-20 12:11:56 PM  

Tyee: Go ahead and defend MSNBC, or accuse other media if you want, you might even have a legitimate point, but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting.


No, they don't. Just because you want to believe that does not make it actually true.
 
2012-06-20 12:12:18 PM  
Unedited Romney: sandwich making machines are amazing! and yay private sector!
"Edited" Romney: sandwich making machines are amazing!

I understand the attempt to spin that the second part is required context but its just that, spin. Watching it altogether adds zero context, both show that this out of touch millionaire was impressed by technology us peons see every day. And honestly thats fine, I know millionaires live a different life than I, just drop it and move along. Instead, this is the Romney campaign shooting itself in the foot by dragging it back into the spotlight, now his being out of touch is the news story for yet another day.

I love the look on Andrea Mitchell's face, she knows this "edit" changed nothing and the right's uproar is self-defeating. I've worn this look in the past when a customer demanded their laptop be upgraded to 512mb from 1gb of memory. "bigger numbers are better!" oh.... k.
 
2012-06-20 12:13:13 PM  

TimonC346: jehovahs witness protection: But MSNBC isn't biased at all, are they?

They are, and that sucks. I'm always disappointed about it too. I wish liberals didn't act like crappy conservative blowhards who lie for attention.

I won't watch MSNBC because of it. I never, ever want to be associated with anything Fox News does, even passively, and even if it suits my political leaning.


^^^This^^^

Frankly liberals don't think the same WAY when talking about political issues, it is not simply that we are two sides of the same coin. Ultimately MSNBC will fail if they act like foxnews or people like Rush and Coulter because they will alienate the liberals they are trying to pander to.

Thankfully MSNBC has good people like Rachael Maddow, that actually work to talk about issues in a liberal way; with facts, inclusive and issue based. It is easy to get pulled into the conservative way of thinking (all facts are realitive to 'conservatism', all things are either conservative or liberal, liberalism is evil and conservatism is holy therefore ANYTHING done to promote this narritive is holy) but I cringe everytime MSNBC (or anyone) gives into that way of thinking.

That Ed Shultz guy and a few others are pretty much a conservative commentators promoting liberal ideas... I predict they will eventually fail with them.

Liberal entertainment, where facts matter and it is not only about "our side good, other side bad" thinking does work. Look at the John Stewart show and the Rachael Maddow show, very good examples of how liberal entertainment and news can work (like the conservative foxnews format).
 
2012-06-20 12:13:28 PM  

beefoe: Antimatter: Which actually made him look better the the full segment, which talks about the ease of getting government assistance. Keep in mind, this is the guy who's campaigning against all kinds of government assistance, and who's party wants to cut said assistance's.

Government assistance is a little different from billing back medicare for services provided. And the example had to do with a 33 page long form to change the billing address. Are you arguing in favor of the 33 page long address change form?


Does such a thing actually exist? Can Romney prove it?
 
2012-06-20 12:14:35 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Tyee: Go ahead and defend MSNBC, or accuse other media if you want, you might even have a legitimate point, but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting.

No, they don't. Just because you want to believe that does not make it actually true.


The irony is that he doesn't realize Fox News does it on an even larger scale or he just doesn't want to realize that.
 
2012-06-20 12:14:43 PM  

ph0rk: If that's the standard what news organizations are left? Comedy Central? NPR?


The fact that some people would think Comedy Central is a source for anything other, or more than a giggle is depressing. Some actually rely on CC as a news source and regard the commentary highly, go figure.
 
2012-06-20 12:15:56 PM  

actualhuman: Well, that's a practitioner enrollment form, not a change of address form. If they really require you to re-submit you enrollment form to change address he's still doing it wrong if he fills out the whole thing. Just update the relavant pages, pull the original out of your files, collate and submit.

/This is apparently Rocket Surgery to conservatives?


Never dealt with Medicare, have you?

You always err on the side of too much information with them, because they will reject things for no apparent reason. I fully believe the story that Romney told because I saw it with a former business partner who had to resubmit the entire office application when I came on board. The guy was a type-A, anal retentive, liberal asshole, but he sill managed to make a mistake, which Medicare didn't inform him of until he inquired about why the payments had stopped. Then they couldn't or wouldn't tell him what was wrong (IIRC, it came down to one incorrectly checked box). It took months to clear it up.

True, the forms don't take that long to fill out, I did mine last week in a couple hours between patients. But I won't know for a couple months if I made a mistake or if someone on their end screws up, and I might find out only when the checks stop.
 
2012-06-20 12:16:00 PM  

BullBearMS: Politicians should sink or swim based on their actions in office.


Had a conversation recently that basically went along the lines of "our current polarized politics is the norm, the last 50 years has been an exception". I think that person is right.
 
2012-06-20 12:16:14 PM  

fireclown: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: And yet, Mitt the Coward is still completely out of touch with the common man. Except for the common man's passion for Dressage, of course.

I was talking about the sport of Dressage with the GF the other night when this came on the news. I put forth that there is no sport in the world with as much fop baggage as Dressage. Not even Polo. You don't play Polo in a top hat.

Is there a more "out of touch with the common man" sport than Dressage?

/sorta serious.


Dunno. What I do know is an ex F of mine was an Equine Science major and an avid dressage...er whatever. The things she could do to a horse with just subtle movements of her legs. I mean it was....


i'll be back....
 
2012-06-20 12:16:58 PM  

Enormous-Schwanstucker: fireclown: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: And yet, Mitt the Coward is still completely out of touch with the common man. Except for the common man's passion for Dressage, of course.

I was talking about the sport of Dressage with the GF the other night when this came on the news. I put forth that there is no sport in the world with as much fop baggage as Dressage. Not even Polo. You don't play Polo in a top hat.

Is there a more "out of touch with the common man" sport than Dressage?

/sorta serious.

Dunno. What I do know is an ex F of mine was an Equine Science major and an avid dressage...er whatever. The things she could do to a horse with just subtle movements of her legs. I mean it was....


i'll be back....


That would be ex GF damnitsomuch.

I'll still be back...
 
2012-06-20 12:18:15 PM  

Tyee: Some actually rely on CC as a news source and regard the commentary highly, go figure.


Now you know how I feel about people who only get their news from Fox News and AM radio.
 
2012-06-20 12:19:08 PM  

IamAwake: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: It left out the part where Mitt claimed that this was proof that private industry was miles ahead of the government in technological innovation, despite the fact that anyone who has set foot in a government office in the past 15 years has seen touch-screen, self-serve kiosks.

is this a very specific government office you're thinking about? I can't think of one such as you're describing, and I'm in government offices of varying sorts on a very regular basis...


The U.S. post office has automated package drop-off kiosks. It weighs it, prints the postage, and lets you pay with a debit card, then simply drop it in the drop-box so it can get delivered, without having to wait in line for a human employee.

The pharmacy at the local VA hospital does. You check in via a touch-screen kiosk, verify which scrip you're getting re-filled, then they call you up to the window when your pills are ready. You don't talk to a human until the pharmacy tech is actually handing you a pill bottle.

When I took my "written test" for my driver's license, it was on a touch-screen, that automatically graded your score and notified a human DMV employee if you passed or failed. That was a very long time ago.
 
2012-06-20 12:20:00 PM  

ManateeGag: so, Fox edits a tape to make Liberal's look bad, they are true patriots. MSNBC edits tapes to make Conservatives look bad, spawns of Satan. Is that how it works?


I don't like it when peoiple take the Submitter's word in the headline as gospel. This was not a case of a network selectively editing a taped message.
 
2012-06-20 12:21:21 PM  

Tyee: ph0rk: If that's the standard what news organizations are left? Comedy Central? NPR?

The fact that some people would think Comedy Central is a source for anything other, or more than a giggle is depressing. Some actually rely on CC as a news source and regard the commentary highly, go figure.


As it happens, those that do that are more informed than people who rely solely on either foxnews or msnbc. That is sad on a variety of levels.
 
2012-06-20 12:22:03 PM  

Tyee: but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting. They should no longer be considered a "News organization".


I challenge you to watch the two clips I posted above.

Hell, I double dog dare ya!
 
2012-06-20 12:23:07 PM  
Unimportant decisions like ice cream choices, movies and vehicles you get plenty of choices.

IMportant decisions like who's your media source and who to vote for you get very little (and bias) choice.

Our owners like it this way.

/Decisions determine destiny.
 
2012-06-20 12:23:19 PM  

IamAwake: well, romney is a blatant example of someome who caused the problems which lead to the global economic collapse


Meanwhile, Obama has continually protected the people whose greed and fraud brought down our economy from the consequences of their illegal actions.

He appointed a millionaire Wall Street defense attorney as Attorney General. Despite the fact that the SEC and two different Congressional investigative bodies have referred criminal fraud cases to the DOJ, nobody has ever been indicted.

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All three of his Chiefs of Staff have come to the White House from major financial firms like Citibank and JP Morgan Chase.

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He put the team who arranged the bailouts for the banks in charge of the Treasury Department.

If you want to vote for a party whose primary role is not serving the interests of the obscenely wealthy, you're not going to be able to support the Democrats or the Republicans.
 
2012-06-20 12:23:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Lando Lincoln: Tyee: Go ahead and defend MSNBC, or accuse other media if you want, you might even have a legitimate point, but the fact is MSNBC has a pattern of intentionally deceptive reporting.

The irony is that he doesn't realize Fox News does it on an even larger scale or he just doesn't want to realize that.


The irony is I just mentioned other outlets and you seemed to have missed that, intentionally.
It's almost as you believe MSNBC is justified because some other source may also be guilty of editing to deceive. the low road.
 
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