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2012-06-20 10:07:13 AM
I thought they all had bodies? The Daily Fail
 
2012-06-20 10:12:22 AM
Japanese tv trots this out once a year or so.
 
2012-06-20 10:14:14 AM
Very cool. I like that this theory agrees with the local legends. I know that doesn't mean it's absolutely true, but it's still cool. The truth is probably more a mixture of both theories.
 
2012-06-20 10:14:26 AM
 
2012-06-20 10:18:42 AM
If they rocked them into place, what about the deforestation...
 
2012-06-20 10:23:27 AM
skepticalcubefarm.files.wordpress.com

/Oblig
 
2012-06-20 10:24:06 AM
If you're going to transport something tall and heavy like that, give it some outriggers so you won't have to keep picking it back up.

Just sayin'
 
2012-06-20 10:27:16 AM

KellyX: If they rocked them into place, what about the deforestation...


The rats that hitched a ride in with them ate all the seeds? It was in TFA.
 
2012-06-20 10:42:46 AM

threadjackistan: KellyX: If they rocked them into place, what about the deforestation...

The rats that hitched a ride in with them ate all the seeds? It was in TFA.


I didn't read the full article, figured they summed it up that this was a new theory on how they moved the statues...

But after looking through, the theory on the rats is just one of the new alternative theories, whereas the other is still they cut the shiat down and farked themselves.
 
2012-06-20 10:43:23 AM
www.redmeat.com
 
2012-06-20 11:01:58 AM
Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?
 
2012-06-20 11:05:31 AM
"Let's Rock"

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2012-06-20 11:16:17 AM

Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?


But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.
 
2012-06-20 11:22:10 AM

threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.


I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.
 
2012-06-20 11:23:34 AM

threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.


Yeah, except the entire point of the article is that they are using the center of gravity to facilitate movement, so this is actually much MORE efficient, which means it can be done with less men, which means the population didn't have to be as large, so catastrophic environment failure isn't directly evidenced by the existence of the monoliths.

The Easter Island statues are allegedly proof of the massive number of people that were necessary to horizontally move that much mass. This guy proves what many archeologists are proving over and over again all over the world: You don't need massive numbers of humans to construct massively impressive structures. You need one really smart guy, and about 100 frat guys, and you can build the pyramids if you have enough beer.
 
2012-06-20 11:30:17 AM

Honest Bender: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.


Farming communities ALWAYS develop their own traditions to fill the time in between plantings and harvest. If we didn't have good records of exactly how it was done, it wouldn't be too long before most of modern Europe gets the whole "it must have been aliens" treatment. After all, dark ages men couldn't have POSSIBLY known how to build some of the cathedrals of ancient Europe, right?

We're going to keep revamping history until we finally just admit that the distribution of society ten thousand years ago wasn't significantly different than it is today, they just had less accumulated knowledge to start them off. Practically, if you kidnapped a promising intelligent child from ancient Sumeria as a toddler, you probably wouldn't be able to pick him out by the time he graduated college.
 
2012-06-20 11:36:39 AM

Jaws_Victim: I thought they all had bodies? The Daily Fail


They do, sometimes the dailyfail gets an article sorta right.
Snopes
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2012-06-20 11:39:06 AM
From the looks of the video, moving those things helped flatten their roads, too...

/thinks we should do a pshop contest with that first pic of the 'blindfolded' statue
 
2012-06-20 11:43:14 AM
ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY
ROCK
INTO RAPA NUI
 
2012-06-20 11:44:15 AM
Life is a rock. But the radio rolled me.
 
2012-06-20 11:45:41 AM

Night Night Cream Puff: Jaws_Victim: I thought they all had bodies? The Daily Fail

They do, sometimes the dailyfail gets an article sorta right.
Snopes
Actual source study


More proof of MSNBC's never ending quest to offer truncated information.
 
2012-06-20 11:47:42 AM

s2s2s2: Night Night Cream Puff: Jaws_Victim: I thought they all had bodies? The Daily Fail

They do, sometimes the dailyfail gets an article sorta right.
Snopes
Actual source study

More proof of MSNBC's never ending quest to offer truncated information.


Seriously. Does this invalidate the study or is there a mix of Easter island statues that do/don't have bodies?
 
2012-06-20 11:49:38 AM

Jaws_Victim: Seriously. Does this invalidate the study or is there a mix of Easter island statues that do/don't have bodies?


I don't know yet, have they all been excavated? Seems like the only way we'd know.
 
2012-06-20 11:53:16 AM
www.dreamagic.com

Perhaps the roll followed the rock? maybe we should call it Rock then Roll!
 
2012-06-20 12:07:40 PM

s2s2s2: Jaws_Victim: Seriously. Does this invalidate the study or is there a mix of Easter island statues that do/don't have bodies?

I don't know yet, have they all been excavated? Seems like the only way we'd know.


Full excavation of all the statues would probably be only way to know for sure, but I thought there were a few statues that had fallen down that were only heads... further reading is required which I don't have time for today.
 
2012-06-20 12:15:33 PM

Honest Bender: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.


It amuses me that even in this age where most of recorded human knowledge is literally at our fingertips, you still get people who bloviate about history based entirely on misinformed inferences.

Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

/Greeks who?!
 
2012-06-20 12:18:18 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

Umm, actually hunter gatherer societies have waaaay more free time than ours. The concept of "no free time" is a modern one, you've got it backwards.
 
2012-06-20 12:19:40 PM

mdking09: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

Umm, actually hunter gatherer societies have waaaay more free time than ours. The concept of "no free time" is a modern one, you've got it backwards.


Oh that was sarcasm.. my bad. Carry on.

\Salute
 
2012-06-20 01:28:18 PM
m.static.newsvine.com

Looks more like they were renditioned.
 
2012-06-20 02:42:39 PM

Honest Bender: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.


Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?
 
2012-06-20 02:47:52 PM

scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?


So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.


I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.
 
2012-06-20 02:48:18 PM

Honest Bender: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.


Unless , of course, they were Building a 'henge, then two hundred miles wouldn't be too much to ask
 
2012-06-20 02:53:03 PM

Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.


In western society. Maybe.

On the other hand, there are entire other continents that were filled with different civilizations. Some of them, by not "advancing" past the hunter-gatherer phase, only had to work a few hours a WEEK.
 
2012-06-20 02:55:42 PM

Dafatone: Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.

In western society. Maybe.

On the other hand, there are entire other continents that were filled with different civilizations. Some of them, by not "advancing" past the hunter-gatherer phase, only had to work a few hours a WEEK.


Ah, who among us wouldn't rather be squatting in the dirt, staring dull eyed off into the distance... flies occasionally landing on our faces... free time... all the free time in the world...
 
2012-06-20 02:56:33 PM

Honest Bender: Dafatone: Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.

In western society. Maybe.

On the other hand, there are entire other continents that were filled with different civilizations. Some of them, by not "advancing" past the hunter-gatherer phase, only had to work a few hours a WEEK.

Ah, who among us wouldn't rather be squatting in the dirt, staring dull eyed off into the distance... flies occasionally landing on our faces... free time... all the free time in the world...


I'd take that over digging for 14 hours a day and spending the rest of the time getting shat on by some feudal lord.
 
2012-06-20 03:09:53 PM

Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?



brian.carnell.com
 
2012-06-20 03:15:21 PM

Dafatone: Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.

In western society. Maybe.

On the other hand, there are entire other continents that were filled with different civilizations. Some of them, by not "advancing" past the hunter-gatherer phase, only had to work a few hours a WEEK.


The oldest known monumental structure in the world, the "temple" made of massive carved stone columns at Gobelki Tepe, is 11,000 years old. Which means it predates our best estimates of the origin of agriculture by almost 2,000-3,000 years. Needless to say it has, by its very existence knocked the traditional timeline of "Hunter-gatherers -> develop agriculture -> have free time and food surplus-> develop specialized professions and religions" straight into a cocked hat.

This is not the work of part-time stone carver:
2.bp.blogspot.com
s.ngm.com
 
2012-06-20 03:22:20 PM

Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.


Note the word *slave*. See, people who are slaves often have no choice about what they do with their time *free* or not.

Thanks for making me have to explain it. No, seriously. Thanks. Because sometimes I'm pretty thick.
 
2012-06-20 03:31:27 PM
Haven't we came up with a dozen ways these things could have been moved by now?

Its interesting to see which way some ignorant society thought up, I suppose, but it wasn't aliens.
 
2012-06-20 04:20:28 PM

Mr Guy: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

Yeah, except the entire point of the article is that they are using the center of gravity to facilitate movement, so this is actually much MORE efficient, which means it can be done with less men, which means the population didn't have to be as large, so catastrophic environment failure isn't directly evidenced by the existence of the monoliths.

The Easter Island statues are allegedly proof of the massive number of people that were necessary to horizontally move that much mass. This guy proves what many archeologists are proving over and over again all over the world: You don't need massive numbers of humans to construct massively impressive structures. You need one really smart guy, and about 100 frat guys, and you can build the pyramids if you have enough beer.




about the funniest thing i've read lately.
+1 witty interwebz for you
 
2012-06-20 04:46:17 PM

Honest Bender: Dafatone: Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.

In western society. Maybe.

On the other hand, there are entire other continents that were filled with different civilizations. Some of them, by not "advancing" past the hunter-gatherer phase, only had to work a few hours a WEEK.

Ah, who among us wouldn't rather be squatting in the dirt, staring dull eyed off into the distance... flies occasionally landing on our faces... free time... all the free time in the world...


indeed...
thebooksmugglers.com


And I wouldn't say it was free time, it was just a different way of allocating the time they had. And what they thought was most important.

Let's not forget that a lot of these monuments were for appeasing their gods to assure that the harvest, or the hunt, was bountiful. for a lot of these civilizations, monument building might very well have been considered part of the job.

In Egypt, they considered their rulers as living Gods, and the term "slavery" could very well have had a different meaning than it does now. oh, sure, the manual labor was most certainly conscripted labor but the project managers and architects were most certainly not, at least not in OUR tradition sense.
 
2012-06-20 05:14:19 PM

KellyX: If they rocked them into place, what about the deforestation...


RTFA

The legend was that they walked, so yeah, I can see how this works.
 
2012-06-20 05:23:39 PM

Honest Bender: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.


Also, you are forgetting that in acient times, people didn't have the luxury of becoming atheist.

Religion was a HUGE part of the daily lives of ancient people. Part of it involved building temples and monuments to their deities to make their waking lives easier. Imagine if you were an ancient farmer who wanted to ensure your crops would survive. You'd band together with your fellow farmers and build a temple and/or monument to your God to make them happy and give you blessings. It wasn't "wasting a week doing hardcore manual labor" and it wasn't "just to help the local artist move a big ass rock" It was a matter of life and death. You firmly believed that by doing that, you were helping yourself, your community and your livelyhood. I know its a difficult concept for atheist folk to grasp, but I can only imagine that the reason why ancient man moved those huge hunks of rocks around was for a greater purpose.
 
2012-06-20 07:32:30 PM

Honest Bender: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.


Actually, up until a couple thousand years ago, working all day everyday was totally unnecessary. Only the modern economy has made it so. The "primitive" man only needed to work about 20 hours a week to provide all of the food, water, and shelter needed. It was money and capitalism that turned us into slaves.
 
2012-06-20 09:02:08 PM

threadjackistan: Honest Bender: threadjackistan: Honest Bender: Seems like a rather inefficient means of transport... I mean, if that's all your engineers can come up with then go with it. But wouldn't it be easier to roll it on logs or something?

But it's a rather elegant solution if your goal is simply to give a bunch of bored tribesmen something to do.

I think the concept of "free time" is a fairly modern one. Up until a few hundred years ago (at most), people were pretty busy working to stay alive. I don't think most of them would have been down to just go waste a week doing hardcore manual labor just to help the local artist move a big ass rock across the island.

Actually, up until a couple thousand years ago, working all day everyday was totally unnecessary. Only the modern economy has made it so. The "primitive" man only needed to work about 20 hours a week to provide all of the food, water, and shelter needed. It was money and capitalism that turned us into slaves.


The rise of the polis.
 
2012-06-21 09:33:35 AM

scalpod: Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.

Note the word *slave*. See, people who are slaves often have no choice about what they do with their time *free* or not.

Thanks for making me have to explain it. No, seriously. Thanks. Because sometimes I'm pretty thick.


Thanks for making you explain what a slave is when we're clearly talking about people who aren't slaves? We're talking about what people may have accomplished in their free time, whether people back then would have had much free time, etc and then you come in with, "doesn't matter if they have free time. SLAVES!"

Thanks for making me have to explain it. No, seriously. Thanks. Because I really enjoy recapping a simple conversation to the thick-headed.
 
2012-06-21 11:08:13 AM
Over the beat?
 
2012-06-21 04:20:44 PM

Honest Bender: scalpod: Honest Bender: scalpod: Let's ask the Egyptian slaves?

So the slaves built the pyramids in their free time?MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Yes, you jackass, "free time" is a modern concept. It's why art, literature, philosophy, and science didn't exist up until shortly before you were born.

I said up until a few hundred years ago. I was thinking sometime around 400-500 years ago. Sure there's art and such but that was a JOB not a hobby. And in the rare cases where it was a hobby, the person was either drastically rich or destitute poor. The common man didn't have the luxury of free time.

Note the word *slave*. See, people who are slaves often have no choice about what they do with their time *free* or not.

Thanks for making me have to explain it. No, seriously. Thanks. Because sometimes I'm pretty thick.

Thanks for making you explain what a slave is when we're clearly talking about people who aren't slaves? We're talking about what people may have accomplished in their free time, whether people back then would have had much free time, etc and then you come in with, "doesn't matter if they have free time. SLAVES!"

Thanks for making me have to explain it. No, seriously. Thanks. Because I really enjoy recapping a simple conversation to the thick-headed.


Look. You were the one who originally said that folks back then had no free time AND I WAS AGREEING YOU BRICK HEADED MAROON BUT YOU TOOK IT THE WRONG WAY AND THEN WHEN I REITERATED YOU DID IT AGAIN.

Congratulations, you're now officially the dumbest person I know and I KNOW MYSELF.
 
2012-06-21 05:46:51 PM
freethoughtblogs.com
 
2012-06-21 06:16:28 PM

Honest Bender: [freethoughtblogs.com image 397x295]


Ha ha! Oh, we all mad here.

While we've got some free time how's about you help me move this enormous statue of Drew's head I made out of beer cans?
 
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