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(Daily Mail)   Following last night's disallowed Ukraine goal, Sepp Blatter changes position on goal line technology, Kiev 2026 bribe money from Bermuda to Swiss account   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 37
    More: Asinine, Sepp Blatter, Andy Carroll, Ukraine, change of position, Kiev, Frank Lampard, England, Michel Platini  
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2012-06-20 10:58:17 AM  
It was miles offside anyway.
 
2012-06-20 11:07:56 AM  
Was the referee in this game the same guy who blew the whistle against America in that one World Cup game which resulted in the US getting a 1-1 tie instead of a 2-1 win?
 
2012-06-20 11:09:51 AM  

NutznGum: It was miles offsideshore anyway.


Fixed that like a hot kick back for you
 
2012-06-20 11:11:05 AM  
Over the line is not a goal.
Past the line is a goal.

The CGI looks like the ball is still partially on the line. Kinda sucks to be Ukraine. Too bad.
 
2012-06-20 11:20:19 AM  

Kuta: Over the line is not a goal.
Past the line is a goal.

The CGI looks like the ball is still partially on the line. Kinda sucks to be Ukraine. Too bad.


I thought the same thing, but this video seems to show it pretty well. It changed my mind. Link
 
2012-06-20 11:22:17 AM  

Kuta: Over the line is not a goal.
Past the line is a goal.

The CGI looks like the ball is still partially on the line. Kinda sucks to be Ukraine. Too bad.


Not surprisingly, the Daily Mail chose ambiguous shots of the goal. There is an overhead frame (like one frame off from the one they chose) that shows the ball clearly over the line.

i1132.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-20 11:25:44 AM  

TeamEd: Kuta: Over the line is not a goal.
Past the line is a goal.

The CGI looks like the ball is still partially on the line. Kinda sucks to be Ukraine. Too bad.

Not surprisingly, the Daily Mail chose ambiguous shots of the goal. There is an overhead frame (like one frame off from the one they chose) that shows the ball clearly over the line.

[i1132.photobucket.com image 500x312]


That.
 
2012-06-20 11:26:12 AM  

King Something: Was the referee in this game the same guy who blew the whistle against America in that one World Cup game which resulted in the US getting a 1-1 tie instead of a 2-1 win?


Nah, that was Coulibaly. And if I'm not mistaken, he has a Fark handle.
 
2012-06-20 11:26:43 AM  
The ball was in. Ukraine was offsides. England will lose in the quarters (probably in penalties) like they always do.
 
2012-06-20 11:30:11 AM  
Ukraine disallowed goal cost me $6000.

Spain goal when clearly offside the day before cost me $5000.

Very rough coupla days.
 
2012-06-20 11:38:45 AM  
I'm part Ukrainian and English, so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2012-06-20 11:44:37 AM  

The_Sponge: I'm part Ukrainian and English


Ukrish?
 
2012-06-20 11:45:02 AM  
i132.photobucket.com

aaaaah JT I love you, you rotten bastard
 
2012-06-20 12:19:54 PM  

TheKnownUniverse: [i132.photobucket.com image 500x312]

aaaaah JT I love you, you rotten bastard


You mis-spelled "coont"
 
2012-06-20 12:24:39 PM  

NutznGum: It was miles offside anyway.


yes, this time it was offsides. this time the two bad calls "balanced" out. that doesn't change the overall point of it being a giant fark up to miss the ball crossing the line for a goal. especially since they put a fifth official on the goal-line to prevent this sort of fark up. and what's the point of everyone saying that it was offsides? do people believe that a series of imperfect calls will always balance out to the "correct" outcome. seems a little unlikely to me...
 
2012-06-20 12:41:09 PM  

A Fark Handle: NutznGum: It was miles offside anyway.

yes, this time it was offsides. this time the two bad calls "balanced" out. that doesn't change the overall point of it being a giant fark up to miss the ball crossing the line for a goal. especially since they put a fifth official on the goal-line to prevent this sort of fark up. and what's the point of everyone saying that it was offsides? do people believe that a series of imperfect calls will always balance out to the "correct" outcome. seems a little unlikely to me...


I support instant replay and the ball was clearly over the goal line. But its a moot point because it was offside. The Ukrainians are going on like this was the hand of God goal from the 86 World Cup. The fact is they never scored, the correct call was made but it wasn't done correctly. This wasn't even the worst call of the tourney. There are a 100 reasons why instant replay is a good idea and this 'goal' is probably the worst example of why. If you want to make the case for goal line replay, then pick a play that was actually a goal to get outraged about.
 
2012-06-20 12:55:39 PM  

LucklessWonder: TheKnownUniverse: [i132.photobucket.com image 500x312]

aaaaah JT I love you, you rotten bastard

You mis-spelled "coont"


nah that's somebody else

i132.photobucket.com

flawless
 
2012-06-20 12:56:19 PM  
I think Sepp Blatter should stick with his response from the last world cup

"Personally I deplore it when you see evident referee mistakes but it's not the end of a competition or the end of football, this can happen,"
 
2012-06-20 01:31:14 PM  
OFFSIDES

i285.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-20 01:42:44 PM  

A Fark Handle: do people believe that a series of imperfect calls will always balance out to the "correct" outcome.


No. And no one has ever said that. No one has said "don't improve the way games are called." All that has been said is that, in this case, the correct outcome was achieved through two wrong calls. You overcome institutional inertia through showing examples where the system achieved a bad result. In this case, the system did not achieve a bad result, despite the problems. There are a multitude of horribly called plays where the result materially changed the outcome of the game. They are great examples of why things need to be improved. This is not one of them. But by making this play your hill to make your last stand on, you undermine real attempts to make things better by looking like a daft crank, and thus giving those disinterested in change an easy nutter to point and laugh at.
 
2012-06-20 01:55:24 PM  

king of vegas: Ukraine disallowed goal cost me $6000.

Spain goal when clearly offside the day before cost me $5000.

Very rough coupla days.


Not to laugh at your misfortune, but that story plus your Fark handle made me laugh
 
2012-06-20 01:58:38 PM  

king of vegas: Ukraine disallowed goal cost me $6000.

Spain goal when clearly offside the day before cost me $5000.

Very rough coupla days.


You have $11,000 you can afford to bet on soccer games. My heart weeps for you.
 
2012-06-20 02:12:57 PM  

phalamir: A Fark Handle: do people believe that a series of imperfect calls will always balance out to the "correct" outcome.

No. And no one has ever said that. No one has said "don't improve the way games are called." All that has been said is that, in this case, the correct outcome was achieved through two wrong calls. You overcome institutional inertia through showing examples where the system achieved a bad result. In this case, the system did not achieve a bad result, despite the problems. There are a multitude of horribly called plays where the result materially changed the outcome of the game. They are great examples of why things need to be improved. This is not one of them. But by making this play your hill to make your last stand on, you undermine real attempts to make things better by looking like a daft crank, and thus giving those disinterested in change an easy nutter to point and laugh at.


if the wiring is sparking, but a leaky pipe is keeping the tinder damp, you don't have to wait to witness fire to realize that maybe you should fix the farking wiring. who cares if there was an offsides? the ball was in the goal and even with a goal-line official it was missed. fix the goal-line problem. worry about the leak later.
 
2012-06-20 02:13:39 PM  

king of vegas: Ukraine disallowed goal cost me $6000.

Spain goal when clearly offside the day before cost me $5000.

Very rough coupla days.



I can totally understand expecting a draw between England and Ukraine, since that's all they needed to get through, but expecting Spain to play Croatia to a draw when first place in the group is on the line (no way the Azzuri were going to lose to farkin' Ireland)? That's crazy...

/And technically, a missed offsides call at midfield gave you the impression the disallowed goal cost you $6k
 
2012-06-20 02:33:15 PM  
I had no dog in the fight, and there was a heapin' helpin' of shiatty refereeing in that game.

Macca was right by calling the linesman "absolutely terrible." That guy missed two offside calls in a row, and on the one in question, was trailing the play badly.... by at least 10-15 yards. He was NO position to make the call, and at that level that's just unacceptable.

Hell, it's damned frustrating when the ARs can't position themselves properly in my Over 30 league and miss obvious stuff.... but at THAT level???

Yeesh.
 
2012-06-20 02:37:11 PM  

12349876: OFFSIDES


Offside

/pet peeve
 
2012-06-20 02:53:49 PM  

ScouserDuck: 12349876: OFFSIDES

Offside


Alffside

/pet peeve
 
2012-06-20 02:58:04 PM  
I need a ruling from the Mali ref.
 
2012-06-20 03:03:10 PM  

Lunchlady: I need a ruling from the Mali ref.


No goal. If the ball had been over the line the goalline official would have indicated as much. Thus, since he did not, it is clear that the ball was not over the line. Nor was Ukraine offsides on the attack. It should have been a draw.
 
2012-06-20 03:36:33 PM  
My handle is supposed to be tongue-in-cheek actually. I was listening to the Eagles' King of Hollywood at the time and it's what i came up with. I'd rather have something different but changing a handle has its own problems so I'll hang with it.

No need to worry. Those bets stung but that's what I do. The funny thing is that it's not that I can afford to lose $11k on the game it's that I can't afford not to bet on the games. It's my job.

I'm pretty sure Spain didn't have to win their game with Croatia to advance. As long as Italy beat Ireland Spain is in and Italy was a big favorite. Of course they were playing simultaneously so there was nothing certain for Spain but they shouldn't have been given a "freebie" at 88' just because they're Spain.

By the way Sweden was a big winner for me. Who would have expected them to win outright yesterday?
 
2012-06-20 03:39:03 PM  

king of vegas: By the way Sweden was a big winner for me. Who would have expected them to win outright yesterday?


this guy?
images.wikia.com
 
2012-06-20 04:01:42 PM  
But wouldn't a replay slow the game down and make it boring?
 
2012-06-20 04:38:00 PM  

Bermuda59: But wouldn't a replay slow the game down and make it boring?


There's already a 4th ref who sits between the two benches (he signals the subs in, keys up the extra time called for the by the head ref, keeps track of eligible players, etc), wouldn't be hard to put a monitor in front of him. The tech they're talking about would be instantaneous. It's not going to be replay like football, it would be like the tennis ball tracker at the major tennis tournaments.
 
2012-06-20 04:55:13 PM  

Lunchlady: There's already a 4th ref who sits between the two benches (he signals the subs in, keys up the extra time called for the by the head ref, keeps track of eligible players, etc), wouldn't be hard to put a monitor in front of him. The tech they're talking about would be instantaneous. It's not going to be replay like football, it would be like the tennis ball tracker at the major tennis tournaments.


And he can already signal the ref when he sees something fishy, so the framework is already there for the 4th official to intervene in the match. Hell, just provide a 7th official*, let him ride a monitor, and confer with the ref when something goes hinky; I prefer the 4th official not be trying to eyeball the field, verbally spar with the managers, and then try and eyeball a monitor. American football is much more structured and confined in what can happen at any one time compared to soccer, yet requires 7 men and a monitor-monkey to adequately call. I want games to be called to the best standard possible, using good technology to supplement an adequately-sized team of officials - nothing creates more disdain of officials than blatantly bad calls which ESPN can show you in a continuous loop. In American college football, officials are even beginning to proactively use replay to confirm their calls - eschewing technology is the very antithesis of human evolutionary strategy. Hell, even test cricket has caught on - and their replay process is so streamlined it takes about 15 seconds to check an lbw; when cricket is schooling your ass technologically, you might wanna think about getting with the times.

* Even if they go to the Buzzy Ball of Doom, I think the goal line officials are a good thing. Give them a flag, and have them assist the ref and linesman when the action gets down to his end. The idea that 3 men can keep track of the game is ludicrous.
 
2012-06-20 05:51:18 PM  

phalamir: Hell, even test cricket has caught on - and their replay process is so streamlined it takes about 15 seconds to check an lbw; when cricket is schooling your ass technologically, you might wanna think about getting with the times.


quoted for emphasis
 
2012-06-20 06:17:20 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: The ball was in. Ukraine was offsides. England will lose in the quarters (probably in penalties) like they always do.


Having seen this Italian side I don't even think it will get to penalties.
 
2012-06-21 01:59:31 PM  

PowerSlacker: phalamir: Hell, even test cricket has caught on - and their replay process is so streamlined it takes about 15 seconds to check an lbw; when cricket is schooling your ass technologically, you might wanna think about getting with the times.

quoted for emphasis


Rugby's a great example. A questionable try has been scored? Video Replay. All while the clock's still running and it takes, what, 15-30 seconds to see if it's a try or not.
 
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