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(Daily Mail)   "Dreams of my Father" is starting to look more like "Dreams by my Publicist", now that it's actually being checked out   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 171
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2012-06-20 02:33:04 PM  

LivingDeadX1: CanonicalNerd: And in this instance we now know(*) this man's grandfather wasn't really tortured. OMG! You're right. I can't vote for this man now that I know(*) that.

Hell, I didn't even know Obama claimed his grandfather was tortured in the first place. Here would an interesting survey. How many likely Obama voters know Obama was in a church whose pastor said "God damn America" and how many know that Obama wrote that his grandfather was tortured. I would guess the first number is much higher. What would that tell you about this mosiac of an imposter you are seem to be so concerned about?

(*) Of course we don't really know that, I'm just setting that a side for argument sake.

I think this man has been bombarded by anti-American sentiment his whole formative life... from the stories he was told as a child, to Bill Ayers, to Rev. Wright, to who knows who else? And this has shaped him. I think that makes him someone who doesn't take (a lot) of pride in his country, and doesn't have this country's interests as his primary priority in the grand scheme of things. That's fine (I guess) for any other man, but a poor quality for said country's leader.

Bush may have been a lousy president, but at least he had an "America! fark YEAH!" attitude.


I'm tempted to take the bait, but no bite.

You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.
 
2012-06-20 02:35:38 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Yeah, you do believe in a lot of Freeper bullshiat.

Wasn't vetted? And you're serious. Wow. Okay then.


And how much did you know about him prior to the election except that he could be the first African-American president (how exciting!) and, more importantly, that he was not McCain (who was Republican... so Bush by proxy)?
 
2012-06-20 02:37:16 PM  

MrBallou: I'm tempted to take the bait, but no bite.

You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.



Admittedly just my opinion, dude. Do what you gotta do.
 
2012-06-20 02:38:51 PM  
 
MFL
2012-06-20 02:40:20 PM  
teasea
And when GOPs have inaccuracies in their memoirs, I don't care about that either. Why would anyone even read a politician's memoir? Self-aggrandizing propaganda and tedious buffalo chips

He wasn't a politician when he wrote it. He was just a 35 year old who thought he was important enough to tell everybody how important he was.

Most of you obviously bought his schtick.
 
2012-06-20 02:40:35 PM  

MrBallou: LivingDeadX1: CanonicalNerd: And in this instance we now know(*) this man's grandfather wasn't really tortured. OMG! You're right. I can't vote for this man now that I know(*) that.

Hell, I didn't even know Obama claimed his grandfather was tortured in the first place. Here would an interesting survey. How many likely Obama voters know Obama was in a church whose pastor said "God damn America" and how many know that Obama wrote that his grandfather was tortured. I would guess the first number is much higher. What would that tell you about this mosiac of an imposter you are seem to be so concerned about?

(*) Of course we don't really know that, I'm just setting that a side for argument sake.

I think this man has been bombarded by anti-American sentiment his whole formative life... from the stories he was told as a child, to Bill Ayers, to Rev. Wright, to who knows who else? And this has shaped him. I think that makes him someone who doesn't take (a lot) of pride in his country, and doesn't have this country's interests as his primary priority in the grand scheme of things. That's fine (I guess) for any other man, but a poor quality for said country's leader.

Bush may have been a lousy president, but at least he had an "America! fark YEAH!" attitude.

I'm tempted to take the bait, but no bite.

You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.
 
2012-06-20 02:41:45 PM  

LivingDeadX1: Lando Lincoln: Yeah, you do believe in a lot of Freeper bullshiat.

Wasn't vetted? And you're serious. Wow. Okay then.

And how much did you know about him prior to the election except that he could be the first African-American president (how exciting!) and, more importantly, that he was not McCain (who was Republican... so Bush by proxy)?


Pretty much everything I know now. What do you know now about him that you didn't know then? That he wrote in his memoire an anecdote told to him by his grandmother that a couple people who were not Obama's grandfather's wife suggest might not be true? OMG!

You can't be serious.
 
2012-06-20 02:43:05 PM  

dittybopper: mrshowrules: cabbyman: Fast and Furious is more proof that the lying is killing people

Fast and Furious wasn't a lie. It was a dumb operation. There is no proof it lead to any deaths unless you are arguing that increasing the availability of guns causes murders in general. Is that your contention?

When supplying them to the general population, no.

When supplying them exclusively to known, violent criminal organizations, yes.

Not that hard to separate the two cases, if you give it just a smidgen of thought.


A) All criminals have prior convictions
B) A person who isn't a criminal will never become one
C) easy availability to guns in Mexico by law abiding citizens would not lead to guns getting into the hands of criminal organizations?
D) only a criminal getting a gun will increase the chance it being used in a crime

Are you claiming F&F caused the death of this border agent but that guns proliferation in general is not a bad thing?
 
2012-06-20 02:43:46 PM  

MFL: teasea
And when GOPs have inaccuracies in their memoirs, I don't care about that either. Why would anyone even read a politician's memoir? Self-aggrandizing propaganda and tedious buffalo chips

He wasn't a politician when he wrote it. He was just a 35 year old who thought he was important enough to tell everybody how important he was.

Most of you obviously bought his schtick.


Odd I thought he was just a guy who got a book deal because he had an interesting story. But clearly this was all a evil plot due to Obama's unstoppable narcissism.
 
2012-06-20 02:46:18 PM  

MFL: teasea
And when GOPs have inaccuracies in their memoirs, I don't care about that either. Why would anyone even read a politician's memoir? Self-aggrandizing propaganda and tedious buffalo chips

He wasn't a politician when he wrote it. He was just a 35 year old who thought he was important enough to tell everybody how important he was.

Most of you obviously bought his schtick.


Most of us didn't even know he wrote that book until he chose to run for president.

Lots of people write 'memoires'.
 
2012-06-20 02:47:48 PM  

LivingDeadX1: Lando Lincoln: Yeah, you do believe in a lot of Freeper bullshiat.

Wasn't vetted? And you're serious. Wow. Okay then.

And how much did you know about him prior to the election except that he could be the first African-American president (how exciting!) and, more importantly, that he was not McCain (who was Republican... so Bush by proxy)?


Ow - that was really stupid
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2012-06-20 02:48:39 PM  

LivingDeadX1: And how much did you know about him prior to the election except that he could be the first African-American president (how exciting!) and, more importantly, that he was not McCain (who was Republican... so Bush by proxy)?


I read Obama's other book before the election (The Audacity of Hope) and it outlined his political beliefs on pretty much any subject relative to the office of President. So yes, I felt that I knew a good deal about where he was coming from and what he wanted to do if he became President.

But of course, that book did not go into how he was trained to be a secret communist by Saul Alinsky or how to blow up government buildings by Bill Ayers, so I guess I missed out on the stuff that actually mattered.
 
2012-06-20 02:49:27 PM  
WHY DON'T YOU GUYS LIKE THINGS CONSERVATIVES LIKE?!?!
 
2012-06-20 02:50:35 PM  

MrBallou: LivingDeadX1: Lando Lincoln: Yeah, you do believe in a lot of Freeper bullshiat.

Wasn't vetted? And you're serious. Wow. Okay then.

And how much did you know about him prior to the election except that he could be the first African-American president (how exciting!) and, more importantly, that he was not McCain (who was Republican... so Bush by proxy)?

Ow - that was really stupid
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I'm just getting further and further ahead of you.
 
2012-06-20 02:51:40 PM  

vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.


Too bad he won't see this...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-20 02:55:13 PM  

LivingDeadX1: vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.

Too bad he won't see this...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x512]


Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.
 
2012-06-20 02:55:42 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: jigger: fuhfuhfuh: So this is the best that con-tards have?

My god, it's full of butt-hurt.

I like this strategy of deflection. It works for anything.

"It turns out he raped babies and sacrificed puppies to Satan."

"Is that all you've got? Is that the best you can do? What a bunch of butthurt."

Aww.... poor wittle butt-hurt con-tard angry and sad that their tactic is being used against them?

Cry moar. Keep that butt-hurt flowing.


Logic is the only truth. If you can't make a logical argument for your cause, your cause is not worth it.
 
2012-06-20 02:58:51 PM  

MrBallou: Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.


Wait a minute! You don't believe me? Well... shiat.

Um....

I guess I'll stop. After all, this was all to convince you, MrBallou.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Be well and have a good day. :o)
 
2012-06-20 03:01:51 PM  

MrBallou: LivingDeadX1: vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.

Too bad he won't see this...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x512]

Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.


I like how he cares that I'm not listening to him. It must suck to live in a country where the constitution guarantees a right to free expression but not a right to an audience, which must be earned based on the merits of what one says.
 
2012-06-20 03:02:05 PM  

LivingDeadX1: MrBallou: Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.

Wait a minute! You don't believe me? Well... shiat.

Um....

I guess I'll stop. After all, this was all to convince you, MrBallou.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Be well and have a good day. :o)


I knew it already, but you are officially a troll. Why don't you give reasoned responses to reasonable questions? Of right... you can't. You almost make me wish I didn't have a policy of not using the ignore list.
 
2012-06-20 03:03:40 PM  
I really thought Bill Ayers would have done a better job.
 
2012-06-20 03:05:09 PM  

LivingDeadX1: vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.

Too bad he won't see this...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x512]


Quoting Buckley? Buckley would be completely disgusted with state of the Conservative movement today in the US.
 
2012-06-20 03:10:19 PM  

vygramul: I like how he cares that I'm not listening to him. It must suck to live in a country where the constitution guarantees a right to free expression but not a right to an audience, which must be earned based on the merits of what one says.


I'm a big fan of how you'll threaten to add someone to your ignore list who you don't agree with. It must suck to live in a world where your primary response to people saying things you don't agree with is...

catmacros.files.wordpress.com


And what I like even better... is that you don't follow-through with it.
 
2012-06-20 03:10:41 PM  
I may be Republican, but I don't see what the big deal is. So far, there's nothing there that immediately strikes me as anything but typical family recollections, some of which turn out not to be true. It's a little embarrassing, of course, but nothing to fret over.

/Seriously, though, someone is paying to research whether his grandmother's story was entirely true? Someone has WAY too much spare cash. Donate it to a real Republican and you'll get more for your money.
 
2012-06-20 03:11:27 PM  

vygramul: MrBallou: LivingDeadX1: vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.

Too bad he won't see this...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x512]

Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.

I like how he cares that I'm not listening to him. It must suck to live in a country where the constitution guarantees a right to free expression but not a right to an audience, which must be earned based on the merits of what one says.


I don't think he really cares. Trolling is a art, after all.
 
2012-06-20 03:11:59 PM  

LivingDeadX1: It must suck to live in a world where your primary response to people saying things you don't agree with is...


Actually... now that I think about it... it must be bliss. Ignorance usually is.
 
2012-06-20 03:12:31 PM  

LivingDeadX1: vygramul: I like how he cares that I'm not listening to him. It must suck to live in a country where the constitution guarantees a right to free expression but not a right to an audience, which must be earned based on the merits of what one says.

I'm a big fan of how you'll threaten to add someone to your ignore list who you don't agree with. It must suck to live in a world where your primary response to people saying things you don't agree with is...

[catmacros.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

And what I like even better... is that you don't follow-through with it.


If you're on someone's ignore list, they still see responses to you. So he saw you said something to him when you replied to MrBallou.
 
2012-06-20 03:15:15 PM  

MrBallou: vygramul: MrBallou: LivingDeadX1: vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.

Too bad he won't see this...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x512]

Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.

I like how he cares that I'm not listening to him. It must suck to live in a country where the constitution guarantees a right to free expression but not a right to an audience, which must be earned based on the merits of what one says.

I don't think he really cares. Trolling is a art, after all.


Nah - trolls live for the reaction. If you look, the people who are offended that an ignore function even exists and cry about it the most are trolls.
 
2012-06-20 03:15:59 PM  

Ricardo Klement: If you're on someone's ignore list, they still see responses to you. So he saw you said something to him when you replied to MrBallou.


I didn't know that. Thanks. :o)
 
2012-06-20 03:18:32 PM  

LivingDeadX1: LivingDeadX1: It must suck to live in a world where your primary response to people saying things you don't agree with is...

Actually... now that I think about it... it must be bliss. Ignorance usually is.


In defense of vygramul, deafening yourself to things you disagree with is not the same thing as avoiding getting hit with weapons-grade stupidity.

Willful ignorance is stupid. Avoiding intentional aggravation is not.
 
2012-06-20 03:22:03 PM  

vygramul: MrBallou: vygramul: MrBallou: LivingDeadX1: vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.

Too bad he won't see this...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x512]

Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.

I like how he cares that I'm not listening to him. It must suck to live in a country where the constitution guarantees a right to free expression but not a right to an audience, which must be earned based on the merits of what one says.

I don't think he really cares. Trolling is a art, after all.

Nah - trolls live for the reaction. If you look, the people who are offended that an ignore function even exists and cry about it the most are trolls.


I know. I come to the politics tab to learn from the more intelligent posters and then I stay to observe the handiwork of the trolls. I only have 1 guy on ignore and that's only because he posts ugly pictures.
 
2012-06-20 03:25:46 PM  

LivingDeadX1: LivingDeadX1: It must suck to live in a world where your primary response to people saying things you don't agree with is...

Actually... now that I think about it... it must be bliss. Ignorance usually is.


Your quiet time starts in 5 minutes, so finish up your fruit snack.
 
2012-06-20 03:25:54 PM  

MrBallou: vygramul: MrBallou: vygramul: MrBallou: LivingDeadX1: vygramul: You are within a hair-breadth of getting put on my ignored list, compadre.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of you.

Too bad he won't see this...

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x512]

Seriously, quit. Now you're just being silly.

It was a good troll while it lasted, but you've reached the point where it's not believable anymore.

I like how he cares that I'm not listening to him. It must suck to live in a country where the constitution guarantees a right to free expression but not a right to an audience, which must be earned based on the merits of what one says.

I don't think he really cares. Trolling is a art, after all.

Nah - trolls live for the reaction. If you look, the people who are offended that an ignore function even exists and cry about it the most are trolls.

I know. I come to the politics tab to learn from the more intelligent posters and then I stay to observe the handiwork of the trolls. I only have 1 guy on ignore and that's only because he posts ugly pictures.


You obviously didn't see my post in the "photoshop walker and ryan" thread. :-D
 
2012-06-20 03:37:29 PM  

jigger: fuhfuhfuh: jigger: fuhfuhfuh: So this is the best that con-tards have?

My god, it's full of butt-hurt.

I like this strategy of deflection. It works for anything.

"It turns out he raped babies and sacrificed puppies to Satan."

"Is that all you've got? Is that the best you can do? What a bunch of butthurt."

Aww.... poor wittle butt-hurt con-tard angry and sad that their tactic is being used against them?

Cry moar. Keep that butt-hurt flowing.

Logic is the only truth. If you can't make a logical argument for your cause, your cause is not worth it.


Until you con-tards make a logical argument, instead of just mewling butt-hurt, you will only ever deserve mockery.
You got a beam in your eye, better tend to that first.
 
2012-06-20 03:40:30 PM  

jigger: Logic is the only truth. If you can't make a logical argument for your cause, your cause is not worth it.


Additional: You just lost. Congratulations.
 
2012-06-20 03:49:31 PM  

LivingDeadX1: We'll just have to agree to disagree.


The battle cry of someone who has no evidence to support their position, knows they've lost the argument, but wants to walk away feeling like they weren't just completely taken to school.
 
2012-06-20 04:48:17 PM  

LivingDeadX1: Bush may have been a lousy president, but at least he had an "America! fark YEAH!" attitude.


Fark, I hope so much that you're just trolling. Because if you're not then I don't have much hope for our species.
 
2012-06-20 05:05:35 PM  
Oh, is it time for this week's "I just got around to reading "Dreams Of My Father" and found an alleged discrepancy that destroys the credibility I never thought Obama had in the first place" article?

It means that Obama has to go door-to-door refunding money to anybody who bought the book, and "Going Rogue" is automatically a Caldecott Medal winner.
 
2012-06-20 05:16:59 PM  
Hysterical right-wing derp in the Daily Fail ... Toby Harnden?

Yup, Toby Harnden.
 
2012-06-20 06:14:14 PM  

LivingDeadX1: Bush may have been a lousy president, but at least he had an "America! fark YEAH!" attitude.


So WTF does having "at least an America! fark YEAH attutude" do for us in the absense of all other qualities that made him "a horrible president" (your own words)?
 
2012-06-20 07:26:09 PM  
Well... to be fair, my grandparents told me all sorts of lies about each other. -Like my Grandfather being 1/4 Blackfoot which turns out to be 100% BS. If they were alive I'd spank them. O yes
 
2012-06-20 07:36:02 PM  
MORE lies, lies and damned lies from our Pinnochio President, the worst chief executive of the USA this country has ever seen.
 
2012-06-20 07:50:03 PM  
Maraniss also casts a sceptical eye on Obama's grandmother's tales of racism in Kansas, doubting whether she was ever chastised for addressing a black janitor as 'Mister' or ridiculed for playing with a black girl.

Case closed.
 
2012-06-20 07:51:28 PM  

LivingDeadX1: Wow... the Obama white knights have hit the ground running in full force on this thread. His whole book is turning out to be rife with fallacies


Hahaha, oh man. Yeah, I'm sure you have a scoop on the real story.

You're one of those retards that uses the word "fallacy" -- a misleading or unsound argument -- to mean "lie". I see people do this a lot, and they're all unequivocally idiots.

Listen to me carefully. You're too farking stupid to understand how to use the word properly. By extension, people don't behave in vacuums, they display patterns of behaviour. On the evidence that you can't even properly handle the word fallacy, I'm going to operate under the assumption that this extends to lots of words bundled together -- "sentences" -- and that you only think Obama's book is full of "fallacies" because you can't handle one word, let alone a bunch grouped together.

In fact, I doubt you even read the book. Or, you know what? I doubt you've even read the article. Here's the basis for calling Obama a liar:

Obama's step-grandmother Sarah, Onyango wife, who is still living, is quoted in the future President's memoir, as saying: 'One day, the white man's askaris came to take Onyango away, and he was placed in a detention camp.

Maybe I'm wrong. Why don't you sketch it out for us, retard? Why not tell us how that's either a fallacy (it's not) or a lie (it's not).

See, it's not a fallacy because it's not an argument. There's nothing fallacious about what she said. It's also not a lie because, also from the article, we get definitive proof that she did in fact say that:

In a 2008 interview, Sarah Obama claimed that he was 'whipped every morning and evening' by the British. 'They would sometimes squeeze his testicles with metal rods. They also pierced his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin, with his hands and legs tied together. He was lucky to survive. Some of his fellow inmates were mutilated with castration pliers and beaten to death with clubs.'

Barack Obama relating stories from Sarah Obama is not Barack Obama lying. Sarah Obama might be lying, but repeating what Sarah Obama said is not, in fact, a lie.

In fact, want to know who is lying or engaging in fallacies? Like definitively, unequivocally lying or engaging in fallacies? The Daily Mail:
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Lie: Obama claimed Stan Dunham was tortured by the British
or
Fallacy: A grandfather is a grandfather without making the distinction between maternal and paternal grandfathers

No give. It's either one or it's the other.

Don't worry though, human shiatsack. I don't expect a thank you for educating you.

I don't think a cumstain like you will "stick your guns" and act consistent with your own stated internal morality of disliking untruths and fallacies (if you even know what they are) and turn on the Daily Mail as you hold them to task for engaging in things you pay lip service to disliking.

I don't expect you to issue a retraction for calling Barack Obama a liar for repeating his grandmother's claim, which is neither a lie nor a fallacy.

Nor do I expect you not to waffle and find excuses for the Daily Mail as you simultaneously condemned Obama's "white knights" for doing the same.

You're off the hook for that, but you aren't off the hook for volunteering for a mauling by virtue of your bumbling stupidity.

Oh, by the way, I thought you might like to know that the Daily Mail's evidence that Obama lied when he accurately reported a claim we know definitively Sarah Obama made (which is, again, not a lie):

But Maraniss, who researched Obama's life in Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii and the mainland United States, found that there were 'no remaining records of any detention, imprisonment, or trial of Hussein Onyango Obama'. He interviewed five people who knew Obama's grandfather, who died in 1979, who 'doubted the story or were certain it did not happen'.

You want a fallacy, dumbfark? "There are no remaining records that say it happened, so it didn't happen" is a fallacy. That's a straight, black-and-white, plain as day fallacy. Records that it did happen would prove it did, but no records that it didn't would prove nothing either way.

Want another? "He interviewed five people" -- first of all, who? People who knew him better than Sarah, his wife? And why is the weight of their certainty that it didn't worth more than the weight of her certainty that it did?

Don't worry, like my low expectations of you in all other fields, I don't expect answers for these "difficult" questions from a person that can't even use the word fallacy properly.
 
2012-06-20 07:58:21 PM  

tony41454: MORE lies, lies and damned lies from our Pinnochio President, the worst chief executive of the USA this country has ever seen.


Too bad I just proved definitively that claim doesn't hold, as I always do. But, much like LivingDeadX1, I don't actually expect you to amend your claim in the face of the evidence. Crude simulacrums of real human beings whose lives have actual merit are rarely capable of displaying that internal morality mentioned before; it's why you're crude simulacrums, after all.
 
2012-06-20 08:27:06 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: tony41454: MORE lies, lies and damned lies from our Pinnochio President, the worst chief executive of the USA this country has ever seen.

Too bad I just proved definitively that claim doesn't hold, as I always do. But, much like LivingDeadX1, I don't actually expect you to amend your claim in the face of the evidence. Crude simulacrums of real human beings whose lives have actual merit are rarely capable of displaying that internal morality mentioned before; it's why you're crude simulacrums, after all.


OBAMABOTS, SWARM!
 
2012-06-20 08:56:41 PM  

cabbyman: Dr. Mojo PhD: tony41454: MORE lies, lies and damned lies from our Pinnochio President, the worst chief executive of the USA this country has ever seen.

Too bad I just proved definitively that claim doesn't hold, as I always do. But, much like LivingDeadX1, I don't actually expect you to amend your claim in the face of the evidence. Crude simulacrums of real human beings whose lives have actual merit are rarely capable of displaying that internal morality mentioned before; it's why you're crude simulacrums, after all.

OBAMABOTS, SWARM!


Whether or not I'm an Obamabot (let's say that I am for the sake of argument) does nothing to disprove the veracity of my claim.

It's little surprise that a known conservative, who espouses conservative and anti-Obama ideas (and who has in the past made knowingly false claims on this site) acts as if one's political affiliation has anything to do with their ability to tell the truth.

For example, I definitively proved Daily Mail either deliberately lied in representing Stan Dunham as Hussein Obama, or committed an equivocation fallacy. This is undeniable, there's a screenshot of it taken directly from the article.

You'll notice he makes no argument speaking to the truth or falseness of the claim (he can't, because nobody actually can -- there is that screenshot of the Daily Mail, lying plain as day). Is cabbyman seriously suggesting that accurately and undeniably pointing out that Daily Mail just made shiat up makes one an "Obamabot"? Or that Daily Mail should have some special permission to lie and invent fictions? It's telling that this is what frustrates him. He wants us to condemn Obama on the basis that he's a liar, and if anybody has the audacity to point out that no, in fact, in this case and in their own words Daily Mail is the liar, we are somehow wrong. Why should we not point that out? cabbyman won't say.

Does that matter to cabbyman? No. The simple truth is he loves lies, it's how the mentally unstable (such as those who beat their wives and children) feel power.

The question is, why do you want somebody who espouses cabbyman's views to share government rule? They claim moral turpitude on our part, and if we have the temerity to point out that, hold on there, you're just projecting, they lose their shiat. Leads to interesting questions about how they would rule, doesn't it? Does cabbyman dream of ruling as a brutal autocrat capable of ruining the reputation of any person he governs? Would he, for example, try to get us riled up about child molesters as if he himself believed this was a bad thing to condemn in others, but then have it be discovered he had child sex parties and start screaming LIB-BOT! LIB-BOT!?

Because only in the case of exactly what moral outrage has taken place here do those situations differ.

Yes, I'd much rather have a right-of-centre moderate that can be relied upon to truthfully relay something we know for a fact that his grandmother said than whatever the fark that is. And remember, even though this is unequivocally all true, as we have proven, not once will cabbyman even offer to commit suicide to make amends and improve the world that he only pays lipservice to caring about.
 
2012-06-20 09:15:27 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: LivingDeadX1: Wow... the Obama white knights have hit the ground running in full force on this thread. His whole book is turning out to be rife with fallacies

Hahaha, oh man. Yeah, I'm sure you have a scoop on the real story.

You're one of those retards that uses the word "fallacy" -- a misleading or unsound argument -- to mean "lie". I see people do this a lot, and they're all unequivocally idiots.

Listen to me carefully. You're too farking stupid to understand how to use the word properly. By extension, people don't behave in vacuums, they display patterns of behaviour. On the evidence that you can't even properly handle the word fallacy, I'm going to operate under the assumption that this extends to lots of words bundled together -- "sentences" -- and that you only think Obama's book is full of "fallacies" because you can't handle one word, let alone a bunch grouped together.

In fact, I doubt you even read the book. Or, you know what? I doubt you've even read the article. Here's the basis for calling Obama a liar:

Obama's step-grandmother Sarah, Onyango wife, who is still living, is quoted in the future President's memoir, as saying: 'One day, the white man's askaris came to take Onyango away, and he was placed in a detention camp.

Maybe I'm wrong. Why don't you sketch it out for us, retard? Why not tell us how that's either a fallacy (it's not) or a lie (it's not).

See, it's not a fallacy because it's not an argument. There's nothing fallacious about what she said. It's also not a lie because, also from the article, we get definitive proof that she did in fact say that:

In a 2008 interview, Sarah Obama claimed that he was 'whipped every morning and evening' by the British. 'They would sometimes squeeze his testicles with metal rods. They also pierced his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin, with his hands and legs tied together. He was lucky to survive. Some of his fellow inmates were mutilated with castration pliers and beaten to death with clubs.'

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2012-06-20 09:26:13 PM  
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2012-06-20 09:30:50 PM  

cabbyman: OBAMABOTS, SWARM!


"If it turns out that Obama raped babies and sacrificed puppies to Satan, you'd still defend this guy."

"That's just ridiculous. You're comparing Obama relating a story his grandma told him to Obama raping babies and killing puppies? And if Obama said his Grandma told him this, and you can definitively prove that Obama's grandma was lying, then that doesn't mean Obama was a liar too."

"OMG YOU GUYS ARE SUCH OBAMA COCK SLOBBERERS!"
 
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