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2012-06-20 01:35:45 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: It was also the Gene Roddenberry-led seasons of TNG that were terrible.


A friend of mine was on the crew for ST:TNG the first few years. He said that Roddenberry was such an ass on the set that the actors threatened to walk out at one point.
 
2012-06-20 01:41:09 PM  
FirstNationalBastard: It was also the Gene Roddenberry-led seasons of TNG that were terrible.

OgreMagi: A friend of mine was on the crew for ST:TNG the first few years. He said that Roddenberry was such an ass on the set that the actors threatened to walk out at one point.


And I've seen and interview with Marina Sirtis where she spoke very highly of Roddenberry and was very upset when he died because she loved him.

/Six on hand, half dozen on the other.
 
2012-06-20 01:43:27 PM  

OgreMagi: FirstNationalBastard: It was also the Gene Roddenberry-led seasons of TNG that were terrible.

A friend of mine was on the crew for ST:TNG the first few years. He said that Roddenberry was such an ass on the set that the actors threatened to walk out at one point.


People hate on Berman and rightfully so towards the end but if someone didn't take over the reigns from Roddenberry, TNG and Trek in general wouldn't have made it very far.

But yes, Voyager and all the TNG movies were terrible, with the possible exception of the Borg one.
 
2012-06-20 01:58:30 PM  
Insurrection is good.
 
2012-06-20 01:59:48 PM  

Mugato: OgreMagi: FirstNationalBastard: It was also the Gene Roddenberry-led seasons of TNG that were terrible.

A friend of mine was on the crew for ST:TNG the first few years. He said that Roddenberry was such an ass on the set that the actors threatened to walk out at one point.

People hate on Berman and rightfully so towards the end but if someone didn't take over the reigns from Roddenberry, TNG and Trek in general wouldn't have made it very far.

But yes, Voyager and all the TNG movies were terrible, with the possible exception of the Borg one.


Berman saved Star Trek on TV in the '90s.

He also destroyed Star Trek in the 2000s.

Much like John Nathan-Turner and the original Doctor Who, Berman stayed too damn long.

Honestly, Berman's best decision with Trek was to step back and let the inmates run the asylum on DS9. And, in a happier world, Ira Steven Behr and crew would have taken Trek over completely after DS9 ended.
 
2012-06-20 02:07:50 PM  

Madbassist1: Insurrection is good.


Really? Didn't the "good guys" kind of suck though? They were on this planet that wasn't even their home, they were squatting. They were on this planet that had radiation that could cure everyone of everything (which would present its own problems but that's besides the point) and they refused to share it with anyone. So the Federation decided to relocate them so they would still have access to the radiation but others would too and the Federation were the assholes? I just didn't understand the premise or the motivation of the characters is all.
 
2012-06-20 02:51:01 PM  

Internet Meme Rogers: Anyone else in this thread have tickets to the big screen showing of the two TNG episodes on July 23rd?

/wondering if anybody besides me will show up


I saw the preview for this my last time in the theater, and my reaction was exactly the same as someone previously said in the thread -- "Why those two? I'd pay for Best of Both Worlds or Yesterday's Enterprise or something." Not worth it for the two episodes they're showing.
 
2012-06-20 02:53:35 PM  

Mugato: OgreMagi: FirstNationalBastard: It was also the Gene Roddenberry-led seasons of TNG that were terrible.

A friend of mine was on the crew for ST:TNG the first few years. He said that Roddenberry was such an ass on the set that the actors threatened to walk out at one point.

People hate on Berman and rightfully so towards the end but if someone didn't take over the reigns from Roddenberry, TNG and Trek in general wouldn't have made it very far.

But yes, Voyager and all the TNG movies were terrible, with the possible exception of the Borg one.


nah, it pretty much sucks too. the only really GOOD trek films are Khan and the reboot. (sorry, purists, but it is farking true) i have an affinity to Star Trek 4 - this time we got whales, but that isn't because it is exceptionally good, it is just a fun movie (much like my favorite superman film is "Superman 3 - this time we got Richard Pryor").
 
2012-06-20 02:57:31 PM  
As much as I loved The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek VI is my favorite.
 
2012-06-20 03:02:24 PM  

frepnog: But yes, Voyager and all the TNG movies were terrible, with the possible exception of the Borg one.

nah, it pretty much sucks too. the only really GOOD trek films are Khan and the reboot. (sorry, purists, but it is farking true) i have an affinity to Star Trek 4 - this time we got whales, but that isn't because it is exceptionally good, it is just a fun movie (much like my favorite superman film is "Superman 3 - this time we got Richard Pryor").



I give the Borg movie a pass because it was about the Borg before Voyager ruined them (not that later TNG didn't try) and as a kid I thought the Borg Queen was hot. Trek 4 was fun but ultimately goofy shiat that they set in the present because they didn't have a budget. They did the same thing with Masters of the Universe.

I liked Trek 3 though, I don't get the hate. It had a goofy premise, anything bringing Spock back had to. But it had Doc Brown as a Klingon, the prototype for the new Klingons and his large breasts girlfriend who he killed for no reason, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, which would be used forever, Kirk stealing the Enterprise, Kirk blowing up the Enterprise, Sulu having a scene as a faaabulous James Bond type, Kirk's pussy son getting killed. Saavik banging young Spock during all his Pon Faars while on Genesis (50 / 7...roughly 6 times), I dunno, I liked Trek 3.
 
2012-06-20 03:10:35 PM  

Mugato: frepnog: But yes, Voyager and all the TNG movies were terrible, with the possible exception of the Borg one.

nah, it pretty much sucks too. the only really GOOD trek films are Khan and the reboot. (sorry, purists, but it is farking true) i have an affinity to Star Trek 4 - this time we got whales, but that isn't because it is exceptionally good, it is just a fun movie (much like my favorite superman film is "Superman 3 - this time we got Richard Pryor").


I give the Borg movie a pass because it was about the Borg before Voyager ruined them (not that later TNG didn't try) and as a kid I thought the Borg Queen was hot. Trek 4 was fun but ultimately goofy shiat that they set in the present because they didn't have a budget. They did the same thing with Masters of the Universe.

I liked Trek 3 though, I don't get the hate. It had a goofy premise, anything bringing Spock back had to. But it had Doc Brown as a Klingon, the prototype for the new Klingons and his large breasts girlfriend who he killed for no reason, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, which would be used forever, Kirk stealing the Enterprise, Kirk blowing up the Enterprise, Sulu having a scene as a faaabulous James Bond type, Kirk's pussy son getting killed. Saavik banging young Spock during all his Pon Faars while on Genesis (50 / 7...roughly 6 times), I dunno, I liked Trek 3.


trek 3 isn't a crime against cinema. it just isn't very GOOD. yes, it had doc brown and all that and the bird of prey is sweet.

hell. i don't know. maybe i am being unfair to it. guess i should watch it again. been awhile. i watch khan about once a month, i watch generations about once a year (it sucks but the enterprise crash is farking AWESOME), and first contact when ever i feel the need to feel sick about trek.
 
2012-06-20 03:16:30 PM  

Mugato: frepnog: But yes, Voyager and all the TNG movies were terrible, with the possible exception of the Borg one.

nah, it pretty much sucks too. the only really GOOD trek films are Khan and the reboot. (sorry, purists, but it is farking true) i have an affinity to Star Trek 4 - this time we got whales, but that isn't because it is exceptionally good, it is just a fun movie (much like my favorite superman film is "Superman 3 - this time we got Richard Pryor").


I give the Borg movie a pass because it was about the Borg before Voyager ruined them (not that later TNG didn't try) and as a kid I thought the Borg Queen was hot. Trek 4 was fun but ultimately goofy shiat that they set in the present because they didn't have a budget. They did the same thing with Masters of the Universe.

I liked Trek 3 though, I don't get the hate. It had a goofy premise, anything bringing Spock back had to. But it had Doc Brown as a Klingon, the prototype for the new Klingons and his large breasts girlfriend who he killed for no reason, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, which would be used forever, Kirk stealing the Enterprise, Kirk blowing up the Enterprise, Sulu having a scene as a faaabulous James Bond type, Kirk's pussy son getting killed. Saavik banging young Spock during all his Pon Faars while on Genesis (50 / 7...roughly 6 times), I dunno, I liked Trek 3.


I like TMP, particularly the Director's Cut, which cleans up some of the messy special effects. They really don't know what they're up against, and have to figure it out on the fly, when it can also swat them like a fly.

So, I'd say I like 1, 2, 3, and the Reboot. 4 is a bit cheesy.
 
2012-06-20 03:18:07 PM  

Hoopy Frood: Wil's not quite 40 yet.


OK. I will hold off on my "Sheldon Approves" post then until he is.

And then Sheldon gloats. Oh, my, yes. He will gloat on that day!
 
2012-06-20 03:20:06 PM  

Klivian: Which is what made DS9 good...


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-20 03:22:44 PM  

Mugato: lemurs: They'd also like to get TNG onto hi-def syndication, so I expect they'll do all the seasons even if the BluRay sales aren't spectacular. Even DS9 and Voyager may get the treatment even though they'll require more redone CG work - a bit of one-time work now for decades of profit down the line.

I don't think DS9 needs any work done. It holds up pretty well today.


I agree completely. And it's light years better than when RDM needed a paycheck and re-wrote it into BSG.
 
2012-06-20 03:49:21 PM  

Klivian: Confabulat: Why TOS is superior to TNG: Think of the worst TOS episode you can. It's pretty memorable, right? "Brain brain what is brain?"

Now think of the worst TNG episode you can. ... ... probably something involving Data in a holodeck or something.

Code of Honor would like a word with you


NO VACCINE!!
 
2012-06-20 03:57:59 PM  

Klivian: Confabulat: Why TOS is superior to TNG: Think of the worst TOS episode you can. It's pretty memorable, right? "Brain brain what is brain?"

Now think of the worst TNG episode you can. ... ... probably something involving Data in a holodeck or something.

Code of Honor would like a word with you


I've always hated Shades of Gray since it was just a summary episode that they tried to wrap a story around.
 
2012-06-20 04:02:31 PM  

had98c: Internet Meme Rogers: Anyone else in this thread have tickets to the big screen showing of the two TNG episodes on July 23rd?

/wondering if anybody besides me will show up

I saw the preview for this my last time in the theater, and my reaction was exactly the same as someone previously said in the thread -- "Why those two? I'd pay for Best of Both Worlds or Yesterday's Enterprise or something." Not worth it for the two episodes they're showing.


Or The Inner Light, yeah. But Datalore is a pretty good ep.
 
2012-06-20 04:05:33 PM  
First thing I thought of when I saw the pic in TFA:

latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.comimages2.wikia.nocookie.net

Too much of a stretch? I think it's the glasses and the quasi-smirkBest pic I could find of Freeman. Of course, Frakes would be too old to play him.
 
2012-06-20 04:06:54 PM  
quasi-smirkBest

quasi-smirk. Best

/FTFM
 
2012-06-20 04:13:59 PM  

Mofo_Jones: First thing I thought of when I saw the pic in TFA:

[latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 300x450][images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 380x485]

Too much of a stretch? I think it's the glasses and the quasi-smirkBest pic I could find of Freeman. Of course, Frakes would be too old to play him.


I'd like to point out that Riker is sporting a Sea Shepard t-shirt in that pic....


Number one, I am disappoint.
 
2012-06-20 04:22:12 PM  

frepnog: hell. i don't know. maybe i am being unfair to it. guess i should watch it again. been awhile. i watch khan about once a month, i watch generations about once a year (it sucks but the enterprise crash is farking AWESOME), and first contact when ever i feel the need to feel sick about trek.


My favorite scene in that movie as the star goes out...what a nightmare come to life...it's awesome.

Thats all that is tho.
 
2012-06-20 05:10:53 PM  

Madbassist1: Rawry: Science has proven has Sub Rosa is the worst TNG episode.

You misspelled "Darmok", you imbecile.


Shaka, when the walls fell.
 
2012-06-20 05:11:47 PM  

FuturePastNow: "for the first time, getting a special theatrical release. (Two episodes, "Where No One Has Gone Before" and "Datalore," will beam into select movie theaters across the country"

They're going to show TNG on the big screen, and they pick those two episodes? Why not something good? I'd pay to see The Best of Both Worlds in a theater.


A hundred times this.
 
2012-06-20 05:18:47 PM  

verbaltoxin: [upload.wikimedia.org image 353x265]

Jonathan Frakes' best role to date.


I agree. He was deliciously evil in that show. Until I started watching, I had no idea he had it in him. To go from playing a friendly and upstanding commander, to a sinister and conniving (and dare I say sadistic) villain, was a total treat.
 
2012-06-20 05:26:29 PM  

frepnog: hell. i don't know. maybe i am being unfair to it. guess i should watch it again. been awhile. i watch khan about once a month, i watch generations about once a year (it sucks but the enterprise crash is farking AWESOME), and first contact when ever i feel the need to feel sick about trek.


I loved First Contact.

Granted, I haven't seen it in 10 or more years, so I have no idea if it's held up at all, but damn, was it awesome. AND it blew away all the other Star Trek movies to date. Other than Khan, maybe, but I try to avoid Original Series stuff as it gives me flashbacks of being so bored during the summer as a child that I actually watched the reruns. Not that they were all bad, but enough of them were.... and they played them over and over again...

/don't get me started on Leave it to Beaver...
//Or Bewitched
///Lucy, blech
////Rawhide was beyond AWESOME, though
 
2012-06-20 05:31:00 PM  

Gunny Highway: I dont really understand the hate for Wesley. He really isnt that bad.


He got to make out with a young Ashley Judd.
 
2012-06-20 05:33:08 PM  

kingoomieiii: discgolfguru: Heh, I just listened to an old podcast where Wil was talking about negotiating his contract with the TNG folks. Apparently he and his agent wanted more money, and instead, the producers offered to make his character a lieutenant.

"How about... we PROMOTE you! You'll have more privileges and responsibilities on the ship!"
"You guys know Starfleet isn't real, right?"


I vaguely recall that one or two supporting actors on some of the Star Trek shows may have actually cared about this. George Takei definitely wanted Sulu to be a captain. The Paramount negotiator throwing it out there wasn't necessarily crazy.
 
2012-06-20 05:33:50 PM  

HallsOfMandos: Madbassist1: Rawry: Science has proven has Sub Rosa is the worst TNG episode.

You misspelled "Darmok", you imbecile.

Shaka, when the walls fell.


GODDAMMIT KNOCK IT OFF!!!
 
2012-06-20 05:34:05 PM  

verbaltoxin: Jonathan Frakes' best role to date.


No way, it was as the host of the "Is it real or fake" show.
 
2012-06-20 05:35:02 PM  

HallsOfMandos: Gunny Highway: I dont really understand the hate for Wesley. He really isnt that bad.

He got to make out with a young Ashley Judd.


That's not an exclusive club by any means

/Went to school with Miss Judd
//Ho ho ho
 
2012-06-20 05:36:04 PM  

Nem Wan: kingoomieiii: discgolfguru: Heh, I just listened to an old podcast where Wil was talking about negotiating his contract with the TNG folks. Apparently he and his agent wanted more money, and instead, the producers offered to make his character a lieutenant.

"How about... we PROMOTE you! You'll have more privileges and responsibilities on the ship!"
"You guys know Starfleet isn't real, right?"

I vaguely recall that one or two supporting actors on some of the Star Trek shows may have actually cared about this. George Takei definitely wanted Sulu to be a captain. The Paramount negotiator throwing it out there wasn't necessarily crazy.


This guy gets your point...from extra to integral member.

www.sanjosedublin.org
 
2012-06-20 05:39:35 PM  

Madbassist1: HallsOfMandos: Madbassist1: Rawry: Science has proven has Sub Rosa is the worst TNG episode.

You misspelled "Darmok", you imbecile.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

GODDAMMIT KNOCK IT OFF!!!


Sorry - trying to get the stupid FAIL meme to die off and be replaced with the much more verbose Shaka, when the walls fell. FAILblog? Nah, shakawhenthewallsfellblog. Much more fun that way.
 
2012-06-20 06:51:39 PM  
So far JF and WW have been on Criminal Minds. Who was creepier?
 
2012-06-20 07:04:27 PM  

grinding_journalist: JosephFinn: DS9 is the best of the series overall.

Also, re: TFA- the "Data's Daughter" ep is one of the "most loved" TNG eps? I thought that episode was beyond retarded. The dialogue seemed hackneyed, and the conclusion is so telegraphed throughout that it's almost a relief when it finally happens.

/inb4 "you liked ds9, your argument is invalid"


While I didn't think "Data's Daughter" was *that* bad, "Most Loved" is a serious stretch.

And add me to the list of people who think DS9 was the best of the bunch.
 
2012-06-20 07:22:19 PM  
The ol' boy's been doing a new series called Tabletop where he has on three celebrity guests to play various tabletop games.

/This one is Munchkin with Steve Jackson
//Freaking child actors and their anti-aging powers
 
2012-06-20 08:40:35 PM  

thunderbird8804: The ol' boy's been doing a new series called Tabletop where he has on three celebrity guests to play various tabletop games.

/This one is Munchkin with Steve Jackson
//Freaking child actors and their anti-aging powers


Damn you! I actually had stuff to do this weekend!
 
2012-06-20 08:51:31 PM  
frepnog:
i have an affinity to Star Trek 4 - this time we got whales, but that isn't because it is exceptionally good, it is just a fun movie

Also easily the best Trek movie to watch with mundanes, because it's yeah... just fun. And I don't know anyone who doesn't love this moment...

"No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space".
 
2012-06-20 11:22:49 PM  

Klivian: Confabulat: Klivian: Confabulat: Why TOS is superior to TNG: Think of the worst TOS episode you can. It's pretty memorable, right? "Brain brain what is brain?"

Now think of the worst TNG episode you can. ... ... probably something involving Data in a holodeck or something.

Code of Honor would like a word with you

The first season of TNG is something no one wants to remember willingly.

Which was my point when first entering this thread.

And to your other comment, no, I don't like what Berman and Braga did to the series, I've mentioned enjoying DS9, Voyager was total swill


The problems with Voyager came down to a difference in vision between Braga and Berman. Braga wanted a darker tone to the show and Berman insisted that every episode (or mutli-parter) have a happy all-is-well ending. Then Braga left and made that show. DS9 lost me for about three years when they put out a great episode and they ended it with "it was just a computer simulation." There are still a dozen or so episodes that I haven't seen to this day.

If Berman were in charge at the time, Kirk would have saved Edith Keller and the black and white aliens would have all lived happily ever after. He doesn't seem to grasp that you can have an overall positive show that doesn't always have the Disney ending.
 
2012-06-20 11:58:38 PM  

braedan: Mofo_Jones: First thing I thought of when I saw the pic in TFA:

[latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 300x450][images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 380x485]

Too much of a stretch? I think it's the glasses and the quasi-smirkBest pic I could find of Freeman. Of course, Frakes would be too old to play him.

I'd like to point out that Riker is sporting a Sea Shepard t-shirt in that pic....


Number one, I am disappoint.


Yeah, no kidding.....


Loreweaver: FuturePastNow: "for the first time, getting a special theatrical release. (Two episodes, "Where No One Has Gone Before" and "Datalore," will beam into select movie theaters across the country"

They're going to show TNG on the big screen, and they pick those two episodes? Why not something good? I'd pay to see The Best of Both Worlds in a theater.

A hundred times this.


I always thought the one with Max Headroom trying to scam everyone is very undervalued.

Mugato: frepnog: But yes, Voyager and all the TNG movies were terrible, with the possible exception of the Borg one.

nah, it pretty much sucks too. the only really GOOD trek films are Khan and the reboot. (sorry, purists, but it is farking true) i have an affinity to Star Trek 4 - this time we got whales, but that isn't because it is exceptionally good, it is just a fun movie (much like my favorite superman film is "Superman 3 - this time we got Richard Pryor").


I give the Borg movie a pass because it was about the Borg before Voyager ruined them (not that later TNG didn't try) and as a kid I thought the Borg Queen was hot. Trek 4 was fun but ultimately goofy shiat that they set in the present because they didn't have a budget. They did the same thing with Masters of the Universe.

I liked Trek 3 though, I don't get the hate. It had a goofy premise, anything bringing Spock back had to. But it had Doc Brown as a Klingon, the prototype for the new Klingons and his large breasts girlfriend who he killed for no reason, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, which would be used forever, Kirk stealing the Enterprise, Kirk blowing up the Enterprise, Sulu having a scene as a faaabulous James Bond type, Kirk's pussy son getting killed. Saavik banging young Spock during all his Pon Faars while on Genesis (50 / 7...roughly 6 times), I dunno, I liked Trek 3.


Doc Brown.s Kurge was just about the only person or entity Kirk could not bluff or punk out.He had to kick him off a cliff.

Mugato: Madbassist1: Insurrection is good.

Really? Didn't the "good guys" kind of suck though? They were on this planet that wasn't even their home, they were squatting. They were on this planet that had radiation that could cure everyone of everything (which would present its own problems but that's besides the point) and they refused to share it with anyone. So the Federation decided to relocate them so they would still have access to the radiation but others would too and the Federation were the assholes? I just didn't understand the premise or the motivation of the characters is all.


I always thought there should have been some small scene in Nemesis where a jadded, Dominion War Admral or Captain gives Picard some crap about how the Enterprise was kept out of the messy Dominion War and how Picard screwed up a perfectly shady plan to make use of the radiation in The Briar Patch. They only hinted at Starfleet being desperate in Insurrection, how the Dominion War and fighting the Borg had forced the Federation to lower some of their standards when it came to allies.Sisko would a perfect delievery person for a angry message to Picard about judging from the sidelines or something, but by the time of Nemesis, he wasn't available. Maybe some walk-through for O'Brian, point out that Picard wouldn't be taking orders from Janeway if he'd not let the Borg off the hook or stirred up his own Trail Of Tears stinkfest.

In other words, Picard would never have tricked the Romulans into entering the war....
 
2012-06-21 12:22:45 AM  

thunderbird8804: The ol' boy's been doing a new series called Tabletop where he has on three celebrity guests to play various tabletop games.

/This one is Munchkin with Steve Jackson
//Freaking child actors and their anti-aging powers


I LOVE this series. Not just Steve Jackson, but Felicia Day and Sandeep Parkh (sp?) as well. I also like the ep with Freddie Wong, Ryan Higa and Rod Roddenberry (Gene's son) where they play three short-form games, and Higa DOMINATES every single game. That was such a hilarious episode, just because of how pissed everyone else was at him, and started working together to try and take him down.
 
2012-06-21 12:43:38 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Fano: Yet he never had friends like when he was 12. Christ, does anyone?

This is both awesome and aggravating to me at the same time.


Although I haven't seen Wil in more than ten years, I know I'll miss him forever.
 
2012-06-21 05:09:14 AM  

Madbassist1: This guy gets your point...from extra to integral member.

www.sanjosedublin.org


I remember I started watching around 1990 or 91 after he'd become a regular character, but when I saw reruns of the first episode, I never recognized him. It may have been the different color uniform. Then when the last episode rolled around and showed his character in the Farpoint mission, it totally blew my mind.
 
2012-06-21 07:24:41 AM  

Confabulat: Klivian: FirstNationalBastard: The bluray TNG sets are really going to be worth it, if the teaser disc is any indication of how the whole series will look.

IIRC, there's only three seconds of upconverted footage in the upcoming season one.

/of course, I wish they had started releasing the series with season 3. I mean, who wants to slog through those first two seasons to get to the good episodes?

So that you will actually enjoy it. Same with TOS. I had never seen TOS, but am a pretty big geek, so I grabbed all 3 seasons on blu-ray when the remasters (with updated effects) came out. I never finished the first season, ye gods it was awful.

You are no Star Trek fan. TOS is the only real Star Trek. The rest just pretend.


Okay, Grandpa. Time for night-night.
 
2012-06-21 12:07:48 PM  

Cythraul: One Bad Apple: Klivian:

Which is what made DS9 good, they didn't buy in to Gene's idealized universe.

And now that I've said that, I'll get slapped with the troll label...


You forgot to add that DS9 is just a ripoff of Babylon 5 so 4/10

According to wikipedia, DS9 aired a year before Babylon 5.


Yes, but B5 started getting awesome in the 2nd season, it took DS9 twice as long to get 2/3rds as good.
 
2012-06-21 12:25:51 PM  

Mugato: I liked Trek 3 though, I don't get the hate. It had a goofy premise, anything bringing Spock back had to. But it had Doc Brown as a Klingon, the prototype for the new Klingons and his large breasts girlfriend who he killed for no reason, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, which would be used forever, Kirk stealing the Enterprise, Kirk blowing up the Enterprise, Sulu having a scene as a faaabulous James Bond type, Kirk's pussy son getting killed. Saavik banging young Spock during all his Pon Faars while on Genesis (50 / 7...roughly 6 times), I dunno, I liked Trek 3.


3 didn't hold up to Khan or Undiscovered Country, but it is by far the best of the odd numbered films, and it really wasn't that bad all in all. Kind of melancholic and bittersweet, what with David getting killed right after coming to an acceptance with his father, plus the Enterprise getting destroyed. There were a lot of big things going on in 3, and I really liked it.
 
2012-06-22 08:24:09 AM  

extroverted_suicide: Mugato: I liked Trek 3 though, I don't get the hate. It had a goofy premise, anything bringing Spock back had to. But it had Doc Brown as a Klingon, the prototype for the new Klingons and his large breasts girlfriend who he killed for no reason, the first appearance of the Bird of Prey, which would be used forever, Kirk stealing the Enterprise, Kirk blowing up the Enterprise, Sulu having a scene as a faaabulous James Bond type, Kirk's pussy son getting killed. Saavik banging young Spock during all his Pon Faars while on Genesis (50 / 7...roughly 6 times), I dunno, I liked Trek 3.

3 didn't hold up to Khan or Undiscovered Country, but it is by far the best of the odd numbered films, and it really wasn't that bad all in all. Kind of melancholic and bittersweet, what with David getting killed right after coming to an acceptance with his father, plus the Enterprise getting destroyed. There were a lot of big things going on in 3, and I really liked it.



it's still not going to have sex with you.
 
2012-06-22 09:20:27 AM  

Madbassist1: This guy gets your point...from extra to integral member.


I remember reading that Meaney tells the story of "I pick up the script, and I can't find myself in there. Pages and pages and no O'Brien. I finally point this out to Frakes and he laughs, 'They gave you a first name, dumbass.'"
 
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