FirstNationalBastard: Yes, season 3 of TOS was pretty shiatty, but if NBC hadn't farked the show over by cutting the budget, driving Roddenberry out, and putting it in the death slot, Season 3 may well have been a very good season.

That's right. I'd read about that when I watched the entire series a few years back. Hadn't seen most of the episodes since I was a kid, and there were a few I don't think I'd ever seen. I thought it'd be nice to watch all of them over a few months. Which it was. Mostly. Every season had some dodgy episodes, but the 3rd was bad enough that I went looking for an explanation.

/Chekov suddenly showing up in season 2 was jarring. And bad. Was he really considered a teen dream in the 60's? Yikes.

"It was a panel at night and they introduced us and there were thousands of people who had gone to Ticketmaster or whatever and bought their tickets and they were hooting and hollering and shrieking and it was like we were the ... Beatles"

Go on, man, you can say that Frakes said farking there....

Rawry: Science has proven has Sub Rosa is the worst TNG episode.

There's at least a season's worth of TNG episodes worse than Sub Rosa, IMO.

Rawry: Science has proven has Sub Rosa is the worst TNG episode.

Yes! Hate hate hate that episode.

verbaltoxin: [upload.wikimedia.org image 353x265]

Jonathan Frakes' best role to date.

Ive been watching that recently. Awesome show to revisit.

kingoomieiii: If you guys haven't seen the Plinkett reviews of the Star Trek movies, you're seriously missing out. A genuine Star Trek fan going to town for like half an hour.

I mean it, go take like six hours and watch every single Plinkett review. You'll laugh your asses off.

There goes my afternoon. And if you've never seen these mock TNG trailers, knock yourself out.

NeoCortex42: I hope further seasons of the BluRay release aren't contingent upon good sales of the first season or two. I could imagine a lot of people might hold off on buying season sets until Season 3.

They'd also like to get TNG onto hi-def syndication, so I expect they'll do all the seasons even if the BluRay sales aren't spectacular. Even DS9 and Voyager may get the treatment even though they'll require more redone CG work - a bit of one-time work now for decades of profit down the line.

Nana's Vibrator: frepnog: wil weaton is only a couple months younger than I am. both born in '72.

and yet he is famous for playing one of the worst star trek characters, got to bang ashley judd, and I am working an IT job making pretty crappy money.

life ain't fair, man. life ain't fair.

From your perspective, sure. But he feels slighted, too. His parents wished it was he who died instead of John Cusack.
/can't say I blame them

thanks. you have brightened my dreary day.

Mugato: I don't think DS9 needs any work done. It holds up pretty well today.

The problem is that a lot of the space battles were rendered in standard definition using the CG of the day, unlike TNG which was mostly models on film. Those will need to be redone in high definition. But it should be more economical by the time they're done with TNG a few years from now.

imontheinternet: Alphax: This still does not diminish the awesomeness that is Deep Space 9.

It was good, if somewhat uneven. One week they're lamenting the high body counts of the Dominion War, and the next week they're off to vacation on Risa, or having Quark pretend to be a female Ferengi.



War is hell.

Also, I get that it seems a bit dated now, but TOS was absolutely groundbreaking television at the time. Virtually every scifi show since has multiple episodes that rip off TOS. It was imaginative and original on a scale you almost never see these days.

In my view, it's held up well, special effects notwithstanding. YMMV

No one who wasn't alive in 1966 could possibly comprehend how incredibly dull and unimaginative TV was back then. TOS was an astonishing revelation.

Uhh, anyone else have Troi and Dr. Crusher in the teenage spank bank back then?

Fano: Yet he never had friends like when he was 12. Christ, does anyone?

This is both awesome and aggravating to me at the same time.

verbaltoxin: [upload.wikimedia.org image 353x265]

Jonathan Frakes' best role to date.

He's working as producer/director over on Leverage now. Some fantastic episodes done, in an excellent series.

Hardison will more than make up for the lack of sci-fi with his geek quotient, and Wil Wheaton is a recurring villan.

Huggermugger: imontheinternet: Alphax: This still does not diminish the awesomeness that is Deep Space 9.

It was good, if somewhat uneven. One week they're lamenting the high body counts of the Dominion War, and the next week they're off to vacation on Risa, or having Quark pretend to be a female Ferengi.



War is hell.

Also, I get that it seems a bit dated now, but TOS was absolutely groundbreaking television at the time. Virtually every scifi show since has multiple episodes that rip off TOS. It was imaginative and original on a scale you almost never see these days.

In my view, it's held up well, special effects notwithstanding. YMMV

No one who wasn't alive in 1966 could possibly comprehend how incredibly dull and unimaginative TV was back then. TOS was an astonishing revelation.

Just like Gary Seven.

Mugato: Klivian: He's working as producer/director over on Leverage now. Some fantastic episodes done, in an excellent series.

I only saw a couple episodes of that but it looks cool. Like The A-Team meets Mission Impossible. The old tv show, not the Tom Cruise movies.

Wheaton is also on Eureka for a few episodes and was good in that.

Klivian: FirstNationalBastard: The bluray TNG sets are really going to be worth it, if the teaser disc is any indication of how the whole series will look.

IIRC, there's only three seconds of upconverted footage in the upcoming season one.

/of course, I wish they had started releasing the series with season 3. I mean, who wants to slog through those first two seasons to get to the good episodes?

So that you will actually enjoy it. Same with TOS. I had never seen TOS, but am a pretty big geek, so I grabbed all 3 seasons on blu-ray when the remasters (with updated effects) came out. I never finished the first season, ye gods it was awful.

You have to be kidding. I picked up Season 1 remastered (on DVD) and all the best stuff is in there, Balance of Terror, Space Seed, Tomoday is Yesterday, Arena, and even City of the Edge of Forever. I can't imagine what's in the other series because all the stuff I remember is in Series 1.

One Bad Apple: Klivian:

Which is what made DS9 good, they didn't buy in to Gene's idealized universe.

And now that I've said that, I'll get slapped with the troll label...


You forgot to add that DS9 is just a ripoff of Babylon 5 so 4/10

B5 is also better than TNG, DS9, etc IMO. I liked the Trek shows, most of the movies, but B5 is my favorite scifi TV show.

KingKauff: Exactly! Voyager was the best

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Voyager was like Gilligan's Island in space.

Crew: We found a way home!

Janeway: Ok, let's try it!

Crew: There's the worm hole/teleportation array/alien technology!

Janeway: Ok, let's go home!

Almost there... Almost there.... Just about there...

Explosion/alien attacker/saboteur/Chakotay spills his Romulan Ale on the console happens!

Crew: Awwww.......

Janeway: It's ok, we'll just keep looking.

Ship flies off to space. The end.

Klivian: Confabulat: Why TOS is superior to TNG: Think of the worst TOS episode you can. It's pretty memorable, right? "Brain brain what is brain?"

Now think of the worst TNG episode you can. ... ... probably something involving Data in a holodeck or something.

Code of Honor would like a word with you

Shades of Grey (not the twilight bondage fanfiction thing) is memorable for being a f***ing clip show season finale.

Anyone else in this thread have tickets to the big screen showing of the two TNG episodes on July 23rd?

/wondering if anybody besides me will show up

I dont really understand the hate for Wesley. He really isnt that bad.

Cythraul: According to wikipedia, DS9 aired a year before Babylon 5.

lemurs: JMS claims that Paramount stole his rejected pitch idea. But ideas are cheap and the two shows just aren't all that similar except in the broadest of details.

I'll just leave thishere.