The bluray TNG sets are really going to be worth it, if the teaser disc is any indication of how the whole series will look.

IIRC, there's only three seconds of upconverted footage in the upcoming season one.

/of course, I wish they had started releasing the series with season 3. I mean, who wants to slog through those first two seasons to get to the good episodes?

Klivian: FirstNationalBastard: The bluray TNG sets are really going to be worth it, if the teaser disc is any indication of how the whole series will look.

IIRC, there's only three seconds of upconverted footage in the upcoming season one.

/of course, I wish they had started releasing the series with season 3. I mean, who wants to slog through those first two seasons to get to the good episodes?

So that you will actually enjoy it. Same with TOS. I had never seen TOS, but am a pretty big geek, so I grabbed all 3 seasons on blu-ray when the remasters (with updated effects) came out. I never finished the first season, ye gods it was awful.

You are no Star Trek fan. TOS is the only real Star Trek. The rest just pretend.

And how does anyone who calls themselves "a pretty big geek" go through life without ever seeing real Star Trek? I think you overestimate yourself.

Klivian: FirstNationalBastard: The bluray TNG sets are really going to be worth it, if the teaser disc is any indication of how the whole series will look.

IIRC, there's only three seconds of upconverted footage in the upcoming season one.

/of course, I wish they had started releasing the series with season 3. I mean, who wants to slog through those first two seasons to get to the good episodes?

So that you will actually enjoy it. Same with TOS. I had never seen TOS, but am a pretty big geek, so I grabbed all 3 seasons on blu-ray when the remasters (with updated effects) came out. I never finished the first season, ye gods it was awful.

Really? The first season of TOS was actually pretty good. The second was better. It wasn't until season 3 when the wheels fell off.

/the "real" Trek comment above me doesn't even merit discussion, since it is completely, 100% wrong.

Klivian: Confabulat: And how does anyone who calls themselves "a pretty big geek" go through life without ever seeing real Star Trek? I think you overestimate yourself.

There was a reason it was cancelled. Most of it was really bad.

Go back and watch episodes like The Naked Time and tell me that it's actually good.

It was also the Gene Roddenberry-led seasons of TNG that were terrible.

Yes, Rick Berman did horrible things to Star Trek in the 2000s. But, if he and Michael Pillar hadn't taken TNG over with the third season, it probably wouldn't have survived.

Why TOS is superior to TNG: Think of the worst TOS episode you can. It's pretty memorable, right? "Brain brain what is brain?"

Now think of the worst TNG episode you can. ... ... probably something involving Data in a holodeck or something.

Klivian: Confabulat: And how does anyone who calls themselves "a pretty big geek" go through life without ever seeing real Star Trek? I think you overestimate yourself.

There was a reason it was cancelled. Most of it was really bad.

Go back and watch episodes like The Naked Time and tell me that it's actually good.

I won't just say it's good, I call it brilliant. TOS hired real sci-fi writers (of course Roddenberry was a hack and edited the crap out of them) but I suppose you prefer Brannon Braga's vision instead.

Klivian: Confabulat: Why TOS is superior to TNG: Think of the worst TOS episode you can. It's pretty memorable, right? "Brain brain what is brain?"

Now think of the worst TNG episode you can. ... ... probably something involving Data in a holodeck or something.

Code of Honor would like a word with you

The first season of TNG is something no one wants to remember willingly.

swahnhennessy: Klivian: There was a reason it was cancelled.

swahnhennessy: There's a reason it was canceled



Yep. NBC discovered Demographics about 6 months too late.

NBC thought TOS was a failure because of the overall ratings. Within 6 months of the shows cancellation, they started receiving info based on demographic breakdowns. They then discovered they had killed the golden goose that would have handed them the all important 18-34 demographic by shuffling Trek to the Friday Night death slot, cutting the budget (which led to shiattier episodes) and then canceling it.

Yes, season 3 of TOS was pretty shiatty, but if NBC hadn't farked the show over by cutting the budget, driving Roddenberry out, and putting it in the death slot, Season 3 may well have been a very good season.

FirstNationalBastard: swahnhennessy: Klivian: There was a reason it was cancelled.

swahnhennessy: There's a reason it was canceled



Yep. NBC discovered Demographics about 6 months too late.

NBC thought TOS was a failure because of the overall ratings. Within 6 months of the shows cancellation, they started receiving info based on demographic breakdowns. They then discovered they had killed the golden goose that would have handed them the all important 18-34 demographic by shuffling Trek to the Friday Night death slot, cutting the budget (which led to shiattier episodes) and then canceling it.

Yes, season 3 of TOS was pretty shiatty, but if NBC hadn't farked the show over by cutting the budget, driving Roddenberry out, and putting it in the death slot, Season 3 may well have been a very good season.

Exactly. Their budget was so bad by the third season that they were resorting to making props from stuff the Mission: Impossible set had thrown out.

Things like using the packaging the MI tape recorders came in, especially styrofoam. TOS prop guys would cut it into interesting shapes, spray paint it, and voila, space art.

Bathia_Mapes: FirstNationalBastard: swahnhennessy: Klivian: There was a reason it was cancelled.

swahnhennessy: There's a reason it was canceled



Yep. NBC discovered Demographics about 6 months too late.

NBC thought TOS was a failure because of the overall ratings. Within 6 months of the shows cancellation, they started receiving info based on demographic breakdowns. They then discovered they had killed the golden goose that would have handed them the all important 18-34 demographic by shuffling Trek to the Friday Night death slot, cutting the budget (which led to shiattier episodes) and then canceling it.

Yes, season 3 of TOS was pretty shiatty, but if NBC hadn't farked the show over by cutting the budget, driving Roddenberry out, and putting it in the death slot, Season 3 may well have been a very good season.

Exactly. Their budget was so bad by the third season that they were resorting to making props from stuff the Mission: Impossible set had thrown out.

Things like using the packaging the MI tape recorders came in, especially styrofoam. TOS prop guys would cut it into interesting shapes, spray paint it, and voila, space art.

Yep.

And Spectre of the Gun. What was to be a great Western episode with decent period sets turned into the half-assed "half the saloon is missing and it has no roof, because aliens!" set.

I was flipping through the channels the other day and ran across this guy 'Wil' on the syfy channel.
/may I suggest you invest in a razor

Wait. Will Wheaton is 40? Jesus. If that's so, he ages very well.

Cythraul: Wait. Will Wheaton is 40? Jesus. If that's so, he ages very well.

seems right. I was graduating high school when that show started and I'm 42. If he was 14 and I was 17, works out.

Klivian:

Which is what made DS9 good, they didn't buy in to Gene's idealized universe.

And now that I've said that, I'll get slapped with the troll label...


You forgot to add that DS9 is just a ripoff of Babylon 5 so 4/10

One Bad Apple: Klivian:

Which is what made DS9 good, they didn't buy in to Gene's idealized universe.

And now that I've said that, I'll get slapped with the troll label...


You forgot to add that DS9 is just a ripoff of Babylon 5 so 4/10

According to wikipedia, DS9 aired a year before Babylon 5.

Alphax: Cythraul: One Bad Apple: Klivian:

Which is what made DS9 good, they didn't buy in to Gene's idealized universe.

And now that I've said that, I'll get slapped with the troll label...


You forgot to add that DS9 is just a ripoff of Babylon 5 so 4/10

According to wikipedia, DS9 aired a year before Babylon 5.

Babylon 5 was pitched to Paramount, among other places, and turned down. But when the makers of Star Trek decided to follow that idea, they had the resources to get their show on the screen first.

This still does not diminish the awesomeness that is Deep Space 9.

skodabunny: FirstNationalBastard: And Spectre of the Gun. What was to be a great Western episode with decent period sets turned into the half-assed "half the saloon is missing and it has no roof, because aliens!" set.

You are crazy, I LOVE THIS EPISODE. They're visiting a planet of telepaths - the west they inhabit is all in their minds, constructed piecemeal from their memories. I felt the surrealism of the set design was one occasion where a limited budget had actually paid off.

And yeah, whoever said that TOS is the only real Star Trek... THIS IS WRONG.

FTFY.

skodabunny: FirstNationalBastard: And Spectre of the Gun. What was to be a great Western episode with decent period sets turned into the half-assed "half the saloon is missing and it has no roof, because aliens!" set.

You are crazy, I LOVE THIS EPISODE. They're visiting a planet of telepaths - the west they inhabit is all in their minds, constructed piecemeal from their memories. I felt the surrealism of the set design was one occasion where a limited budget had actually paid off.

That episode was the first thing I thought of when I saw The Matrix.

Alphax: This still does not diminish the awesomeness that is Deep Space 9.

It was good, if somewhat uneven. One week they're lamenting the high body counts of the Dominion War, and the next week they're off to vacation on Risa, or having Quark pretend to be a female Ferengi.



War is hell.

Also, I get that it seems a bit dated now, but TOS was absolutely groundbreaking television at the time. Virtually every scifi show since has multiple episodes that rip off TOS. It was imaginative and original on a scale you almost never see these days.

In my view, it's held up well, special effects notwithstanding. YMMV

FirstNationalBastard: skodabunny: FirstNationalBastard: And Spectre of the Gun. What was to be a great Western episode with decent period sets turned into the half-assed "half the saloon is missing and it has no roof, because aliens!" set.

You are crazy, I LOVE THIS EPISODE. They're visiting a planet of telepaths - the west they inhabit is all in their minds, constructed piecemeal from their memories. I felt the surrealism of the set design was one occasion where a limited budget had actually paid off.

And yeah, whoever said that TOS is the only real Star Trek... THIS IS WRONG.

FTFY.

Exactly! Voyager was the best

I read the headline, then I read it again. Then I read it thrice, and now my reaction is HUH?

Gunny Highway: All the the Star Treks are real fun.

Some of it good, some of it bad, but mostly it was fun.

I think you might be one of the few who got it...

frepnog: wil weaton is only a couple months younger than I am. both born in '72.

and yet he is famous for playing one of the worst star trek characters, got to bang ashley judd, and I am working an IT job making pretty crappy money.

life ain't fair, man. life ain't fair.

From your perspective, sure. But he feels slighted, too. His parents wished it was he who died instead of John Cusack.
/can't say I blame them

Jonathan Frakes' best role to date.