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(Salon)   New documents show the CIA had Bin Laden in its crosshairs a full year before 9/11 but didn't get the funding from the Bush administration to take him out or even continue monitoring him   (salon.com) divider line 297
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2012-06-19 09:11:59 PM

brantgoose: Al Gore, on the other hand wanted to go into Afghanistan or Pakistan and shoot the bastard. Yee-haw!

They don't call him Yosemite Al because he loves the National Park System!


So is here where I say that he fails to live in a thatched-roof cottage with no electricity, therefore he can't lecture us about climate change?

/But the bug-eyed viscount can pollute all he wants, 'cuz it doesn't affect climate at all!
 
2012-06-19 09:12:36 PM

Giltric: Clinton had a spook who literally had Bin Ladens head in the crosshairs...I think his name was Billy Waugh...

The Clinton administration pulled Billy out of country faster then they pulled John Oneil off of Mohammed Attas trail.


Something something....having to clean up the last presidents mess......


That's gonna need a BIG citation. Why would Clinton have pulled the guy out when he was sending cruise missiles into Afghanistan to try to kill OBL?
 
2012-06-19 09:14:50 PM

Dr. Mojo PhD: GAT_00: RobertBruce: Bush was president a year before?

slayer199: Clinton blew it too and has admitted as much.. 9-11 was a failure of the government across multiple administrations. Hell, our foreign policy in the Middle East has been a disaster for damn near 70 years.

Back to back But, But, CLINTON! posts. Well done.

Heh.

Reports on early attempts to apprehend bin Laden detail the beginning of the U.S. Predator drone program in Afghanistan and Pakistan. "First Predator mission over Afghanistan [excised] September 7, 2000." [1] "Twice in the fall of 2000, the Predator observed an individual most likely to be Bin Ladin; however we had no way at the time to react to this information." [2004-03-19] American UAVs did not have sufficient weapons capabilities at the time the CIA likely spotted bin Laden in 2000 to fire on the suspect using the UAV.

1998-05-05 - "[Title Excised]" "Planning for the UBL Rendition is Going Very Well," To: Michael F. Scheuer, From: [Excised], Central Intelligence Agency Email. Cited in 9/11 Commission Report as "Capture Op," "[Gary] Schroen to Mike." [Chapter 4, Endnote 22 9/11 Commission Report]

Documents reveal multiple direct attempts by Clinton to capture or kill bin Laden.

This won't stop the Republican lie that 9/11 was Clinton's fault because he had the opportunity to capture bin Laden but just didn't even though there's definitive proof he repeatedly tried to kill him and for some reason suffered a radical and unprecedented shift in character for no reason that only some Sudanese guy knew about but the CIA couldn't figure out.

B-b-but CLINTON! indeed.

2001-06-23 - "International: Bin Ladin Attacks May Be Imminent [Excised]" Senior Executive Intelligence Brief. [Chapter 8, Endnote 14, See also p. 257 9/11 Commission Report]
2001-06-25 - "Terrorism: Bin Ladin and Associates Making Near-Term Threats," Senior Executive Intelligence Brief. [Chapter 8, Endnotes 12, 14]
2001-06-30 - "Terrorism: Bin Laden Planning High Pro ...


You don't need to be a truffer to think that perhaps the Bush administration ignored those warnings for a reason...
 
2012-06-19 09:15:02 PM

stoli n coke: Pretty badly written article. Bush had enough monumental farkups in his presidency without the author trying to re-write history and accuse him of dropping the ball 4 months before he took office. That's as dumb as the Fark Independents trying to pin the bank bailouts on Obama.


I just came in from the 50 Shades of Grey thread, and I swear on first reading, that said "farkspurs", and then I thought "That's be interesting."
 
2012-06-19 09:15:17 PM

revrendjim: RobertBruce: Bush was president a year before?

No, just 9 months.


Nice rounding there, Jim.
 
2012-06-19 09:15:40 PM

IlGreven: You don't need to be a truffer to think that perhaps the Bush administration ignored those warnings for a reason...


But you do need to be a truffer to think that that reason was to test high explosives in a disaster area.
 
2012-06-19 09:16:06 PM
Well, yeah. There's "known criminal" and "known criminal who's pissed us off enough to warrant an unauthorized raid on foreign soil and the assassination of a foreign national that can be easily pinned on the US".

Remember, it was our policy to _not_ arbitrarily murder foreign citizens even if we suspected them of being criminals before the PATRIOT act. We would have probably arrested him (or some approximation thereof) at the time, which is something a bit harder to pull off than shoving a bullet up his nose and dumping him in the ocean. Not really worth the effort when all he'd done was hit a military target and an embassy.

Post-2001 we were pissed enough that throwing drones at people and just arbitrarily dropping marines onto private property in other countries without really coordinating with them was politically possible again, sorta makes the final pull of the trigger easier once they found the bastard again.
 
2012-06-19 09:16:36 PM

Aldon: Who can deny that Bush was the worst joke of a president that we have ever had?


I am sure you know better than to ask this question. Anyone who has had the unfortunate experience of seeing freeper posts knows the answer.

No matter what, Bush was a republican so automatically it isn't his fault for anything you can name.
 
2012-06-19 09:16:42 PM
A full year before 9/11? You mean Sept 11th 2000?

Before Bush was even elected much less sworn in?

Or maybe you could just pull your head out of your collective rear ends and accept what everyone with a brain has accepted for over a decade now. Nobody expected what happened on 9/11 and the fact that al Queda was actively plotting against the US was hardly ground breaking news that would have made anyone, Republican or Democrat, jump out of the chair and run screaming to the nearest phone to begin action immediately.

I also think its funny that the people running around screaming that nothing is Obama's fault are the same people that would howl and rave about everything Bush did and began assigning blame for any and all problems we had from day one, minute one of Bush taking office.... And would have howled and raved against anything he did prior to 9/11 to curb terrorism.

Mistakes were made, that much is certain, but running around screaming it was all Bush's fault at the top of your lungs doesn't change reality. The people to blame form 9/11 were and are the terrorists but if you insist on holding our own government accountable in any way, shape, or form then I guess Bush "inherited" the terrorism problem from Clinton.
 
2012-06-19 09:17:40 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: slayer199: Clinton blew it too and has admitted as much.. 9-11 was a failure of the government across multiple administrations. Hell, our foreign policy in the Middle East has been a disaster for damn near 70 years.

And people got fired over it too


How much more could the Clinton Administration accomplished if Ken Starr and the Republicoonts didn't work themselves into a tizzy over a blowjob?
 
2012-06-19 09:17:41 PM

HMS_Blinkin: FormlessOne: He hadn't positioned himself yet as the patsy for 9/11, so there was no need - the Bush administration needed him in the right place at the right time, and taking him out then would've been premature.

9/10. Way to bring up the Truther derp with subtlety. This is how you troll, folks.


Warms the heart, or at least the subcockles of the heart, doesn't it?
 
2012-06-19 09:17:51 PM
 
2012-06-19 09:18:10 PM
sure, bush didn't fund the CIA weaponized drone program enough.
that's damning.
this is more damning.

Link

wayback

L.A. Times
December 5, 2001
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
* Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond.


By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities...

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center...

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates.

But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere...

Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese. But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.
 
2012-06-19 09:18:46 PM

suziequzie: stoli n coke: Pretty badly written article. Bush had enough monumental farkups in his presidency without the author trying to re-write history and accuse him of dropping the ball 4 months before he took office. That's as dumb as the Fark Independents trying to pin the bank bailouts on Obama.

I just came in from the 50 Shades of Grey thread, and I swear on first reading, that said "farkspurs", and then I thought "That'sThat'd be interesting."


Fixed that. I cannot type tonight.
 
2012-06-19 09:20:41 PM

NFA: It just fits the pattern of GOP protecting anti-American forces.

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You should google the names of those sitting with president Reagan...the NYT has them in the caption of the original picture.

They were Muj who formed the Northern Aliance....and were assassinated by the Taliban.
 
2012-06-19 09:20:44 PM

IlGreven: You don't need to be a truffer to think that perhaps the Bush administration ignored those warnings for a reason...


I doubt we'll ever know if they ignored or missed the warnings. It's pretty much a given that once the attack happened they viewed it immediately as the opportunity they'd be waiting for.
 
2012-06-19 09:20:47 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Giltric: Clinton had a spook who literally had Bin Ladens head in the crosshairs...I think his name was Billy Waugh...

The Clinton administration pulled Billy out of country faster then they pulled John Oneil off of Mohammed Attas trail.


Something something....having to clean up the last presidents mess......

That's gonna need a BIG citation. Why would Clinton have pulled the guy out when he was sending cruise missiles into Afghanistan to try to kill OBL?


Actually, you could blame the first President Bush as well for this mess according to this citation.


Full credit to Obama for actually getting the bastard.
 
2012-06-19 09:22:54 PM
The real problem is that too common attitude that the republicans have.. that every thing they believe is right and everything a democrat believes is wrong. they had so little respect for the Clinton administration that the incoming Bush Administration wasnt going to listen to a single thing the dems had to say. If the Dems said it should be a priority it was going to the bottom of their list. National Security be damned. Far too often the GOP believes their own bs just a little too deeply.
 
2012-06-19 09:23:46 PM

TheBigJerk: I like how NO ONE remembers this movie or how hard the Republicans canonized it. And I could swear one of the big, loud things Dubya did was cut funding to intelligence agencies as part of his "smaller government, x-files, don't trust gubbmint UN Black Helicopters" business.


He did you know what he replaced as the federal government number crime focus?? - PORNOGRAPHY!

Yep, they had people refocus on pornography over terrorism to please the christian right at the time.
 
2012-06-19 09:25:51 PM
tevis.net
 
2012-06-19 09:26:08 PM
Read Richard Clark's book
 
2012-06-19 09:27:30 PM

Jacobin: Read Richard Clark's book


You read it.
 
2012-06-19 09:28:05 PM

randomjsa: Mistakes were made, that much is certain, but running around screaming it was all Bush's fault at the top of your lungs doesn't change reality. The people to blame form 9/11 were and are the terrorists but if you insist on holding our own government accountable in any way, shape, or form then I guess Bush "inherited" the terrorism problem from Clinton.


That's pretty pathetic. A Nixonian "Mistakes were made", followed by a "don't blame Bush" and then a "blame Clinton".

Guys like you would rather cut off your own nose than entertain the possibility that the other side might have a point. That's why your country is so farked.
 
2012-06-19 09:28:21 PM

randomjsa: A full year before 9/11? You mean Sept 11th 2000?

Before Bush was even elected much less sworn in?

Or maybe you could just pull your head out of your collective rear ends and accept what everyone with a brain has accepted for over a decade now. Nobody expected what happened on 9/11 and the fact that al Queda was actively plotting against the US was hardly ground breaking news that would have made anyone, Republican or Democrat, jump out of the chair and run screaming to the nearest phone to begin action immediately.

I also think its funny that the people running around screaming that nothing is Obama's fault are the same people that would howl and rave about everything Bush did and began assigning blame for any and all problems we had from day one, minute one of Bush taking office.... And would have howled and raved against anything he did prior to 9/11 to curb terrorism.

Mistakes were made, that much is certain, but running around screaming it was all Bush's fault at the top of your lungs doesn't change reality. The people to blame form 9/11 were and are the terrorists but if you insist on holding our own government accountable in any way, shape, or form then I guess Bush "inherited" the terrorism problem from Clinton.



Spoken like a true Republican Apologist.
 
2012-06-19 09:29:41 PM

randomjsa: I also think its funny that the people running around screaming that nothing is Obama's fault


You mean like the people that claim Obama's not responsible for killing bin Laden?

Oh wait right, that's you guys.
 
2012-06-19 09:31:26 PM

brantgoose: Al Gore, on the other hand wanted to go into Afghanistan or Pakistan and shoot the bastard. Yee-haw!

They don't call him Yosemite Al because he loves the National Park System!


Revisionist.

That's exactly why they call him Yosemite Al.
 
2012-06-19 09:32:32 PM
Sudan: hey President Clinton, want us to hand over the guy who was behind the 1993 world trade center attack that killed 6 and injured thousands and the plot to blow up a few Philippine airline flights to America over the pacific?

Clinton: *silence*

Sudan: hey President Clinton, want us to hand over the guy who was behind the world trade center attack?

Clinton: Listen, I'm fairly busy here cutting capital gains for the rich from 28% to 20% (a cut of 28.%! hot damnit!) Link, repealing glass-steagall Link, and deregulating derivatives through the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 Link; could you just kick him out of your country so he can go hide and plan attacks in Afghanistan? KTHX BYE.
 
2012-06-19 09:32:45 PM
So Bush was responsible for not getting Bin Laden 4 months before he was even sworn in?

Is the headline or article retarded? I didn't read the article.
 
2012-06-19 09:32:52 PM
If this subject interests you, read this book.

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2012-06-19 09:33:16 PM

Dr. Mojo PhD: randomjsa: I also think its funny that the people running around screaming that nothing is Obama's fault

You mean like the people that claim Obama's not responsible for killing bin Laden?

Oh wait right, that's you guys.


I think what Obama did in regards to Bin laden is called a Wampler.
 
2012-06-19 09:34:25 PM
Aldon
2012-06-19 08:56:50 PM
Who can deny that Bush was the worst joke of a president that we have ever had?


Obama has already passed him.
 
2012-06-19 09:36:11 PM

tony41454: Aldon
2012-06-19 08:56:50 PM
Who can deny that Bush was the worst joke of a president that we have ever had?

Obama has already passed him.


Whoa! BURN!
 
2012-06-19 09:37:42 PM
Oh come on now. We all know that GW Bush was an incompetent, lazy sack of crap junkie and he surrounded himself with fairly stupid incompetent people with attitudes. After all, the only criteria that someone who should be president needs to be judged on is whether they can drink beer. But, did anyone notice that Obama is black. And uppity.
 
2012-06-19 09:40:13 PM
Whatever they're paying you republican astrotufers, it's not enough.
 
2012-06-19 09:41:55 PM

relcec: Sudan: hey President Clinton, want us to hand over the guy who was behind the 1993 world trade center attack that killed 6 and injured thousands and the plot to blow up a few Philippine airline flights to America over the pacific?

Clinton: *silence*

Sudan: hey President Clinton, want us to hand over the guy who was behind the world trade center attack?

Clinton: Listen, I'm fairly busy here cutting capital gains for the rich from 28% to 20% (a cut of 28.%! hot damnit!) Link, repealing glass-steagall Link, and deregulating derivatives through the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 Link; could you just kick him out of your country so he can go hide and plan attacks in Afghanistan? KTHX BYE.


Wasn't that after Clinton attacked his compound and the Republicans attacked him politically about it!

I see so he was bad that he did something and the bad for not doing something. Got it!
 
2012-06-19 09:42:12 PM
I read that article and thought, "So, GW Bush and the repub Party--incompetent dimwits or actual traitors?" It's a kind of treason to deliberately hand ultimate power over to a clinically retarded person just because you think he'll be easy to control. What is this, North Korea? When did the United States turn into a scene from "The Prisoner of Zenda"?
 
2012-06-19 09:43:02 PM
Bush all but admitted he didn't find his calling as the Decider until after 9/11. We Republicans weren't all that happy with his "compassionate conservatism" and big-spending ways in the early 2000s. Something changed in him that horrible day which made him the bold leader that we so wildly supported in 2004 and can look back on with reverence.

Besides, since when is things that happen during first year in office the fault of the president? Obama still blames Bush for things that happened 3 years ago and I don't hear much criticism on this BBS.
 
2012-06-19 09:45:14 PM
Wow, this article is so full of fail and yes subby, you fail too. If the CIA had Osama dead to rights a FULL YEAR before September 11, 2001, than Bush was not president and would have nothing to do with THIS story.

Just to recap, Bush ran for election in the 2000 presidential election which was in November of 2000, less than a year before September 11, 2001....

Unlike subby, I am not interested in playing Monday morning QB and assigning blame to anyone, but I am pointing out that Bush was not president a FULL YEAR before Sept. 11, 2001.
 
2012-06-19 09:46:37 PM

Dr. Mojo PhD: randomjsa: I also think its funny that the people running around screaming that nothing is Obama's fault

You mean like the people that claim Obama's not responsible for killing bin Laden?

Oh wait right, that's you guys.


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-06-19 09:47:39 PM

Aldon: Who can deny that Bush was the worst joke of a president that we have ever had?


Anyone who knows anything about the Pierce or Harding administrations, for starters. Bush may well have been third worst, however.
 
2012-06-19 09:51:03 PM

404 page not found: tony41454: Aldon
2012-06-19 08:56:50 PM
Who can deny that Bush was the worst joke of a president that we have ever had?

Obama has already passed him.

Whoa! BURN!


He's like, a SEAL sniper of the Keyboard Commandos! Dropping liberals left and right on the internet before the nurse gives him his jello and puts him to bed.
 
2012-06-19 09:51:57 PM

propasaurus: So, Obama's time machine strikes again.


Actually, Clinton gave orders to try to find him and terminate him during his time. That was also in the brief that GW got, but yeah, I'm sure that folks are going to spin this somehow that it's someone else's fault.
 
2012-06-19 09:55:30 PM
herrDrFarkenstein: [www.americanprotest.net image 640x480]

So what? The guy who masterminded 9/11 and stockpiled WMDs was supposedly being watched by the UN the entire time.


So we invaded Iraq to kill the real life equivilent of a successful forum troll on the internet.

Come to think of it, that's the wet dream of almost every FARKer I've seen in the politics tab.
 
2012-06-19 09:55:35 PM
bush's "accomplishments" are in the SCOTUS

:(
 
2012-06-19 09:56:09 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Giltric: Clinton had a spook who literally had Bin Ladens head in the crosshairs...I think his name was Billy Waugh...

The Clinton administration pulled Billy out of country faster then they pulled John Oneil off of Mohammed Attas trail.


Something something....having to clean up the last presidents mess......

That's gonna need a BIG citation. Why would Clinton have pulled the guy out when he was sending cruise missiles into Afghanistan to try to kill OBL?


No idea...but if the target is moving from place to place using an asset with a flight time of what could be hours is not the best way to get the job done.
 
2012-06-19 09:56:27 PM
a full year before 9/11/01.

Hmmmm, blame Bush because his time machine didn't work. He was President less than 9 months before 9/11/01.

But go ahead, blame Bush. It makes you feel good because that is all you got.
 
2012-06-19 09:57:37 PM
9-11 was Bush's fault.
 
2012-06-19 09:58:46 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Hmmmm, blame Bush because his time machine didn't work.


i.imgur.com

Damn time machine couldn't get him inaugurated in time for 30 June 2001.
 
2012-06-19 09:59:21 PM
GWB was always most comfortable in his original role as male cheerleader.

If only bin Laden would have had a pep rally first, he could have done something.
 
2012-06-19 10:00:56 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: a full year before 9/11/01.

Hmmmm, blame Bush because his time machine didn't work. He was President less than 9 months before 9/11/01.

But go ahead, blame Bush. It makes you feel good because that is all you got.


Election coming and all that....they are still campaigning against Bush....except this time Obama likes spying on Americans, extraordinary rendition, signing statements, executive orders, predator drones taking out people without a fair trial being given....etc.
 
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