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2012-06-19 11:12:16 PM
Looks like the bill "died in committee" on June 1.

Link
 
2012-06-19 11:17:42 PM

Omahawg: nope.

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well BG was against the parts of the Civil Rights acts which pertained to private business so those 2 kinda cancel out
 
2012-06-19 11:18:31 PM

kg2095: spongeboob: Kome: Phins: Her wedding was all about "woman submits to the man,"

Phins: People having sex that involves bondage violates her religious rights.

She sounds like a hypocrite.

Maybe she is only against males being bound and at the mercy of the woman. Or she could be worried about sex that doesn't lead to procreation, oral, manual, anal, because if there isn't a possibilty of prenancy God frowns on it. She just knows that her husband might slip in her backdoor if she can't stop him, but wait if she is supposed to submit to her husband does that mean that she does oral when her husband ask for it or does her Bible say that is a no no and that trumps her husbands position as head of the household.

/When the wife and I got our premarriage counseling the preacher told us a couple of stories, the first was about a husband who had trouble getting it up and his wife helped him out with this by "kissing his penis" he said this was not only okay it was a sign that the wife loved her husband. The second story was about a couple who approached him about whether anal sex was allowed, he said he went through the whole Bible but couldn't find any place anal sex between a married couple was forbidden.
//No he didn't use names when he told us the stories so I am not sure that my inlaws weren't one of the couples
///Yeah I know CSB

Maybe, but surely she should only worry about her own adherence to the rules of her religion. What other people do is none of her business.


That's the thing she can't seem to understand. She believes that other people doing things violates her freedom of religion. No one is preventing her from practicing her religion but somehow free birth control and bondage sex for other people violates her freedoms.
 
2012-06-19 11:20:38 PM

Omahawg: kg2095: The Name: LasersHurt: Hey, guys, remember THE PAST? Good, because we're going back!

This isn't even a joke. Twenty or thirty years from now, we're going to be fighting the exact same battles we fought in the 1960s (or the 1930s vis-a-vis labor rights), and it will likely only be more violent and divisive. Look what's going on with labor in Wisconsin, voting rights in Florida, gay rights in Kansas, immigr . . . well, just about everything in Arizona.

And now, with Citizens United, the possibility of a peaceful pendulum swing or even finding an equilibrium are quite remote. Americans are going to have to forcibly take back with is rightfully theirs (which they admittedly handed over by voting stupidly in the first place), and it's not going to be pretty.

We are living in interesting times, my friends.

I don't think so. These dinosaurs are on the way out and they know it. That's why they are making so much noise - they're struggling against reality.

With each passing year there are less of them and thirty years from now the last of them will have succumbed to old age.

if wish you were right but look at the young ron paul pseudo-libertarians, evangelical youth pastors who have wives with clown car vaginas and don't believe in evolution, and the otherwise mass of uninformed youth who pay more attention to angry birds and celebrity gossip than their future.

yeah...the derp is growing and spreading and must be stomped out with the great light of rationality. or, you know, a two by four.

extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice indeed, barry.


And you see, it's not even just that. Even if the Talibangelical-type Republicans are mostly dead in thirty years, TODAY they are making a horrible mess AND putting in place measures that will make it ever harder to clean up after them. That's why I brought up Wisconsin and Florida, above. It isn't just a matter of Republicans (or anyone else for that matter) doing bad stuff -they're removing the very mechanisms in the system that make it possible to fight back peacefully. What good does a liberal majority do you if it isn't allowed to vote or organize?
 
2012-06-19 11:38:31 PM
If your "religion" compels/empowers you to be an insufferable dick towards certain people, then you don't deserve to have the "freedom" to practice it.

How about I start up my own religion? I'll call it "Punchism". It involves going around punching fundamentalist christians in the face where ever and whenever I see one. Men, women, old ladies, babies. Doesn't matter. if they're fundies, then they must be punched.

If you raise a fuss, I'll just say "don't blame me. My Supreme God, Foopadoopazoopy-zap, commandeth me to do this".
 
2012-06-19 11:39:26 PM
As a proud resident of the state of Missouri, than you Kansas fro being even more bass ackwards than we are.
 
2012-06-19 11:41:18 PM
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net

Gay discrimination in a nutshell.

/Fark off, Kansas
 
2012-06-19 11:43:04 PM

kg2095: Maybe, but surely she should only worry about her own adherence to the rules of her religion. What other people do is none of her business


I take it you have never been around many evangelicals then?
Or the counter example atheist on Fark who claim that anyone who believes in an invisilbe sky wizard is either an idiot or mentally ill.
 
2012-06-20 12:02:35 AM
People voluntarily live in Kansas? They say "Hey, this place is great. The tornadoes, the bat sh*t crazy religious nuts, our feet-washing Governor. I know there are 49 better states, but let's stay here." They say this? If I were gay and in Kansas I would be like "Exit, stage left!" and run for the border.
 
2012-06-20 12:27:05 AM

leftteffticle: exick:
I would say yes, but they try to cover their asses on that one by saying "Any person found by a court of competent jurisdiction to have abused the protection of this act by making a fraudulent claim may be enjoined from filing further claims under this act without leave of court."

Which just means that your "religion" has to be based on a poorly-sourced book that's at least a few hundred years old and not just invented in your mind. And that also means that the state of Kansas is going to be sued into oblivion by people whose religions they find to be fraudulent.

Hmm, good point... but then again, I'm an atheist, so my beef with Christians is totally legit and their lifestyle of bigotry is totally against my "religion" (or rather lack there of) and I don't see why I should have to support it.


They actually took care of this for you, it only has to be an "earnestly held personal belief."
 
2012-06-20 12:27:53 AM

Walker: People voluntarily live in Kansas?


It's great nature, relatively open and empty. It's quiet. Not everyone wants the jostling throngs of unwashed masses like NY or LA.

It's not like KC doesn't have a homosexual population. And they stay because hey, they also like quiet and nature and open spaces.

/also tight brown ones
 
2012-06-20 12:37:00 AM

spongeboob: kg2095: Maybe, but surely she should only worry about her own adherence to the rules of her religion. What other people do is none of her business

I take it you have never been around many evangelicals then?
Or the counter example atheist on Fark who claim that anyone who believes in an invisilbe sky wizard is either an idiot or mentally ill.


Well, with those Evangelicals it's hard to come to any other conclusion.
 
2012-06-20 12:37:17 AM
I was massively confused about why the Kansas legislature went back in session just to pass the same bs they did months ago.

Then I clicked through and saw the article was from March.

I'm all too aware that Kansas exists in a dateless pseudo-past that never really existed, but no need to repost every stupid thing done here three months later, just as a reminder.
 
2012-06-20 12:40:53 AM

leftteffticle: Ooooooh, does this mean that I can move to Kansas, start a business, hire all Christians, find out they're Christians, and then fire them all because their lifestyle goes against my religious beliefs? That would be cool, right?


Nope. Only Christians will have special rights to discriminate.
 
2012-06-20 01:17:01 AM
You're born gay. You have a choice if you want to follow religious teachings. Who should the law support?
 
2012-06-20 01:20:33 AM
The only way to make Missouri look progressive is to hang it up next to Kansas. What the fark happened?
 
2012-06-20 01:21:47 AM
Yet another issue that Fundamentalist Christians and Muslim Extremists see eye-to-eye on. Brilliant.
 
2012-06-20 01:23:32 AM
This is basically the flip side of what's being voted on in Lincoln, NE this year. The city passed an anti-discrimination bill which would protect LGBT people from housing and job discrimination. People had a problem with this, and forced it to be put on the ballot.
 
2012-06-20 01:35:27 AM
Ima hatin' GOP
 
2012-06-20 01:36:15 AM
had to go to ImDb to read and re-read the plot synopsis for To Wong Foo Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar

/"it's a misprint!"
 
2012-06-20 01:56:11 AM

Wyalt Derp: Does this include women who wear pants instead of skirts?


Even men shouldn't wear pants. You never saw ancient Hebrews wearing pants. Pants are an Iranian invention. Why do you support Iran?
 
2012-06-20 01:57:08 AM
I'm ok with this as long as Kansas bans electricity and music.
 
2012-06-20 01:57:13 AM

EmmaLou: This is basically the flip side of what's being voted on in Lincoln, NE this year. The city passed an anti-discrimination bill which would protect LGBT people from housing and job discrimination. People had a problem with this, and forced it to be put on the ballot.


and it's been the law in backwards counciltucky for over a decade
 
2012-06-20 01:58:51 AM

spongeboob: Or the counter example atheist on Fark who claim that anyone who believes in an invisilbe sky wizard is either an idiot or mentally ill.


I would go with, "possessed by demons" myself.
 
2012-06-20 02:19:48 AM
And "flyover country" proves yet another stereotype to be... not so stereotypical.
/goddammitsonfarkingmuch
//SO glad I live on the coast
 
2012-06-20 02:33:19 AM
And these farks get 2 senators.
 
2012-06-20 02:37:17 AM

spongeboob: kg2095: Maybe, but surely she should only worry about her own adherence to the rules of her religion. What other people do is none of her business

I take it you have never been around many evangelicals then?
Or the counter example atheist on Fark who claim that anyone who believes in an invisilbe sky wizard is either an idiot or mentally ill.


Yes because they're exactly the same. Every atheist on here is petitioning congress to force people to give up religion.


Go fark yourself.
 
2012-06-20 02:50:56 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: spongeboob: kg2095: Maybe, but surely she should only worry about her own adherence to the rules of her religion. What other people do is none of her business

I take it you have never been around many evangelicals then?
Or the counter example atheist on Fark who claim that anyone who believes in an invisilbe sky wizard is either an idiot or mentally ill.

Yes because they're exactly the same. Every atheist on here is petitioning congress to force people to give up religion.


Go fark yourself.


spongeboob is full of both sides are bad.
 
2012-06-20 03:01:07 AM
My religion requires the government to provide free pot to everyone. Anything else is a violation of my religious liberty.
 
2012-06-20 03:32:42 AM

Quasar: "I don't think an ordinance should trump other people's religious rights," said Rep. Jan Pauls, a Democrat on the Judiciary Committee that heard testimony about the bill. During a forum earlier this year, Pauls gave an example to explain why she backs the bill, saying an employer should be allowed to fire a "cross dresser."

That sounds reasonable. Why should my religious rights be trampled by your sheer audacity to exist as you are?


I present to you...Kansan Democrats.
 
2012-06-20 03:53:42 AM
Dear LGBT Kansans,

Leave.

In other States you are welcome to lead full, productive and enriching lives, in liberty, while pursuing happiness. But before you leave, take as much money out of Kansas as you can. Go to public schools, then to a State college on a State grant or scholarship. Get a part time job at a public agency. Then take all the education, training and experience Kansas paid for and leave. You'll be happy you did.
 
2012-06-20 03:56:08 AM
If you don't want a Bar Mitzvah,
DON'T HAVE A BAR MITZVAH.
But don't tell me I can't have one because it conflicts with YOUR religious beliefs.
Or that I can't have an abortion because of your religious beliefs.
Or that I can't same gender marry because of your fricking religious beliefs.
Or that I should be fired because of your Goddamned religios beliefs.
 
2012-06-20 04:01:41 AM

Notabunny: Dear LGBT Kansans,

Leave.

 
2012-06-20 05:36:35 AM
what's wrong with Kansas?
 
2012-06-20 06:55:49 AM

tooeasy: what's wrong with Kansas?


Dust in the wind.
 
2012-06-20 06:59:24 AM

FirstNationalBastard: tooeasy: what's wrong with Kansas?

Dust in the wind.


Proximity to Oklahoma.
 
2012-06-20 07:05:54 AM
It is none of the government's business if someone discriminates or not.
 
2012-06-20 07:07:28 AM

WhyteRaven74: Cato: To say you have you be forced to associate with anyone you do not wish to - and that certainly includes business relationships - is unconstitutional

So laws banning hiring discrimination are unconstitutional?


If they aren't for a federally recognized protected class, yes. Hopefully shiat like this goes up to the supreme court and gets changed but as it stands this seems legal to me.
 
2012-06-20 07:08:21 AM
These people are not "conservatives"... They're radical regressives.

I hope Kansas gets biatch slapped by the Courts on this.
 
2012-06-20 08:01:34 AM
Something tells me I'm going to get a LOT of mileage out of this one in the near future.

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2012-06-20 08:10:34 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: spongeboob: kg2095: Maybe, but surely she should only worry about her own adherence to the rules of her religion. What other people do is none of her business

I take it you have never been around many evangelicals then?
Or the counter example atheist on Fark who claim that anyone who believes in an invisilbe sky wizard is either an idiot or mentally ill.

Yes because they're exactly the same. Every atheist on here is petitioning congress to force people to give up religion.


Go fark yourself.


He didn't say every atheist on Fark. He said the counter example atheist. I am sure there are many atheists on Fark who just come here to have fun, maybe kill some downtime at work, that kind of thing. Then there are some who jump at every opportunity to mock anyone who has faith and paints them all as intolerant assholes who can do nothing but hate. Kind of a pot / kettle thing. Maybe you should take a step back.

/Christian
//not evangelical
///I leave the judging to God and just try to love and respect everyone, you know, like JESUS said to do
 
2012-06-20 08:11:23 AM

gearsprocket: It is none of the government's business if someone discriminates or not.


It's none of the government's "business" if somebody wants to smash your head in and take your wallet.
And yet, as a society, we have decided that government should get involved - and our body of law, and the courts who enforce them, agree.
Same deal with discrimination. Deal with it, or move to the third world.
 
2012-06-20 08:17:49 AM

Notabunny: Dear LGBT Kansans,

Leave.

In other States you are welcome to lead full, productive and enriching lives, in liberty, while pursuing happiness. But before you leave, take as much money out of Kansas as you can. Go to public schools, then to a State college on a State grant or scholarship. Get a part time job at a public agency. Then take all the education, training and experience Kansas paid for and leave. You'll be happy you did.


Not gay, not from Kansas, but I think this applies to some people's reasoning for remaining in Kansas or other such places that are filled with intolerant people and discriminatory laws.

thediscipleproject.net
 
2012-06-20 08:21:54 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This country wants to fail. There's no other reason to behave this way. It's become so preoccupied with what legal channels it has to fark itself over that it completely forgot that it shouldn't be trying to fark itself over.


What do you expect when people follow a doctrine that says 'destroy yourselves and you'll get untold riches?' You get a bunch of sad, dejected people willing to throw away their lives for absolutely nothing and be happy about it. And if you try to tell them that they're being stupid, suddenly you're the bad guy because you're just trying to get their imaginary riches.

America is teaching the world a very valuable lesson: don't let your populace get stupid, and don't let them be able to be extorted to believe in some religion. Otherwise, your robust economy falls through the floor by forced retardation.
 
2012-06-20 08:24:17 AM

Notabunny: Dear LGBT Kansans,

Leave.

In other States you are welcome to lead full, productive and enriching lives, in liberty, while pursuing happiness. But before you leave, take as much money out of Kansas as you can. Go to public schools, then to a State college on a State grant or scholarship. Get a part time job at a public agency. Then take all the education, training and experience Kansas paid for and leave. You'll be happy you did.


Add women to this as well. It seems one of the best ways to stop this foolishness is to let the Jesus Freaks sink in their own shiatholes. Just cut off the money and leave them to rot.
 
2012-06-20 08:24:57 AM
The land of the free!
and afraid of the gays!
 
2012-06-20 08:27:32 AM

bgddy24601: Notabunny: Dear LGBT Kansans,

Leave.

In other States you are welcome to lead full, productive and enriching lives, in liberty, while pursuing happiness. But before you leave, take as much money out of Kansas as you can. Go to public schools, then to a State college on a State grant or scholarship. Get a part time job at a public agency. Then take all the education, training and experience Kansas paid for and leave. You'll be happy you did.

Not gay, not from Kansas, but I think this applies to some people's reasoning for remaining in Kansas or other such places that are filled with intolerant people and discriminatory laws.

[thediscipleproject.net image 640x565]


The problem is, the assholes who are doing sh*t like this are getting the same message, but from their god. Now, much as I love Captain America, he doesn't have quite the convincing power of believing the creator of the universe is telling you to stand your ground and keep dem queers from kissin', 'cept for da pretty lady-folk in those movies I watch when the missus is out of town.
 
2012-06-20 08:49:25 AM

Aarontology: I'm going to start pretending to be religious so I can get exemptions from the law.


To be fair, Conservative Christians have been doing this for decades.
 
2012-06-20 09:09:54 AM
Has anyone noticed that the 15th, 19th, 24th and 26th ammendments don't prohibit banning people from voting based on sexual orientation.
 
2012-06-20 09:18:43 AM

Quasar: "I don't think an ordinance should trump other people's religious rights," said Rep. Jan Pauls, a Democrat on the Judiciary Committee that heard testimony about the bill. During a forum earlier this year, Pauls gave an example to explain why she backs the bill, saying an employer should be allowed to fire a "cross dresser."


a Democrat on the Judiciary Committee
a DEMOCRAT on the Judiciary Committee
a DEMOCRAT on the JUDICIARY Committee

Holy jumping shiatballs... What the dark IS wrong with Kansas?
 
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