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(The Advocate)   Kansas trying to re institute Jim Crow laws. Because 'religion'   (advocate.com) divider line 259
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2012-06-19 03:58:29 PM
Oh, what the f**k now? >_<
 
2012-06-19 04:58:35 PM
Look, you assholes...I'll make this REEEEEAL easy for you.

The First Amendment guarantees your right to have a religion.
The Second Amendment guarantees your right to have a gun.

But neither amendment gives you the right to use EITHER ONE to take away the rights of someone else.

PERIOD.
 
2012-06-19 05:06:07 PM
Hey, guys, remember THE PAST? Good, because we're going back!
 
2012-06-19 05:06:35 PM
"I don't think an ordinance should trump other people's religious rights," said Rep. Jan Pauls, a Democrat on the Judiciary Committee that heard testimony about the bill. During a forum earlier this year, Pauls gave an example to explain why she backs the bill, saying an employer should be allowed to fire a "cross dresser."

That sounds reasonable. Why should my religious rights be trampled by your sheer audacity to exist as you are?
 
2012-06-19 05:06:45 PM
HOLY shiat.
 
2012-06-19 05:07:01 PM
I'm going to start pretending to be religious so I can get exemptions from the law.
 
2012-06-19 05:08:36 PM

Aarontology: I'm going to start pretending to be religious so I can get exemptions from the law.


My religion says I can't allow any Christians into my restaurant.

Hey, look, an angry mob of customers!
 
2012-06-19 05:12:58 PM
Shouldn't this be called a Jamey Crow law?
 
2012-06-19 05:20:36 PM

LasersHurt: Hey, guys, remember THE PAST? Good, because we're going back!


Great Scott!
 
2012-06-19 05:25:34 PM
I am disheartened by how many states are vying for "Derpiest of them all" status.

Kansas....seriously??
 
2012-06-19 05:25:56 PM
Ooooooh, does this mean that I can move to Kansas, start a business, hire all Christians, find out they're Christians, and then fire them all because their lifestyle goes against my religious beliefs? That would be cool, right?
 
2012-06-19 05:27:25 PM

leftteffticle: Ooooooh, does this mean that I can move to Kansas, start a business, hire all Christians, find out they're Christians, and then fire them all because their lifestyle goes against my religious beliefs? That would be cool, right?


Go for it!
 
2012-06-19 05:28:12 PM
The religion of me forbids me to pay taxes and requires me to have the public sexing. Thank you for starting this protection for me Kansas.

pizen: LasersHurt: Hey, guys, remember THE PAST? Good, because we're going back!

Great Scott!


Dred Scott!
 
2012-06-19 05:29:23 PM

meow said the dog: The religion of me forbids me to pay taxes and requires me to have the public sexing. Thank you for starting this protection for me Kansas.

pizen: LasersHurt: Hey, guys, remember THE PAST? Good, because we're going back!

Great Scott!

Dred Scott!


You're too good for Fark.
 
2012-06-19 05:32:35 PM

Ambivalence: I am disheartened by how many states are vying for "Derpiest of them all" status.


It all started with Obama getting elected. These 'Christians' with elected power can't go after blacks anymore so they're going after gays and brown immigrants. Jesus would be so proud.

I can't wait for President Obama to get re-elected.
 
2012-06-19 05:36:09 PM
These same people support Sharia Law for Muslims.

Religious freedom and all. You don't want secular laws trumping a person's religious freedom after all.

So, Kansas is pro- Sharia Law.
 
2012-06-19 05:41:48 PM

leftteffticle: Ooooooh, does this mean that I can move to Kansas, start a business, hire all Christians, find out they're Christians, and then fire them all because their lifestyle goes against my religious beliefs? That would be cool, right?


I would say yes, but they try to cover their asses on that one by saying "Any person found by a court of competent jurisdiction to have abused the protection of this act by making a fraudulent claim may be enjoined from filing further claims under this act without leave of court."

Which just means that your "religion" has to be based on a poorly-sourced book that's at least a few hundred years old and not just invented in your mind. And that also means that the state of Kansas is going to be sued into oblivion by people whose religions they find to be fraudulent.
 
2012-06-19 05:43:29 PM
This sets up a pretty farked up precedent that goes beyond teh gay.
 
2012-06-19 05:44:10 PM

exick: at least a few hundred years old


Interesting choice of words.
 
2012-06-19 05:45:29 PM
This may be good news... for Obama.

Specifically, such a law is likely to get challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, thanks to the tenacity of religious bigots. Even the dysfunctional batch of Justices we have now might establish precedent that sexual orientation is a protected class, just like race, gender, etc.
 
2012-06-19 05:46:36 PM
Something, something, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I don't have a GED in Law or anything, but something tells me that this bill which allows that "anyone could opt out of anti-discrimination laws that protect gays and lesbians," specifically denies certain persons within Kansas jurisdiction the equal protection of their laws.
 
2012-06-19 05:51:40 PM

A message for Evangelicals from The Big Guy:



skepchick.org
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG
 
2012-06-19 05:53:23 PM

BKITU: Something, something, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I don't have a GED in Law or anything, but something tells me that this bill which allows that "anyone could opt out of anti-discrimination laws that protect gays and lesbians," specifically denies certain persons within Kansas jurisdiction the equal protection of their laws.


I think there may be cause to disagree with the article's analysis of the law.
 
2012-06-19 05:54:34 PM

Wangiss: BKITU: Something, something, "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I don't have a GED in Law or anything, but something tells me that this bill which allows that "anyone could opt out of anti-discrimination laws that protect gays and lesbians," specifically denies certain persons within Kansas jurisdiction the equal protection of their laws.


That is, to question or "second guess" the interpretation put forth in the article.
 
2012-06-19 05:59:39 PM

exick:
I would say yes, but they try to cover their asses on that one by saying "Any person found by a court of competent jurisdiction to have abused the protection of this act by making a fraudulent claim may be enjoined from filing further claims under this act without leave of court."

Which just means that your "religion" has to be based on a poorly-sourced book that's at least a few hundred years old and not just invented in your mind. And that also means that the state of Kansas is going to be sued into oblivion by people whose religions they find to be fraudulent.


Hmm, good point... but then again, I'm an atheist, so my beef with Christians is totally legit and their lifestyle of bigotry is totally against my "religion" (or rather lack there of) and I don't see why I should have to support it.
 
2012-06-19 06:02:38 PM
After reading the actual bill, I'm a little bit confused as to why it was necessary. It basically says that the Kansas government cannot prohibit discrimination except as set forth in the anti-discrimination laws already on the books.
 
2012-06-19 06:06:14 PM

exick: After reading the actual bill, I'm a little bit confused as to why it was necessary. It basically says that the Kansas government cannot prohibit discrimination except as set forth in the anti-discrimination laws already on the books.


'swat I'm saying. The article was rather sensationalist.

/bigot
 
2012-06-19 06:12:00 PM
Not quite the same. I've never heard of gays being forced to pick cotton while singing show tunes.
 
2012-06-19 06:14:34 PM

minoridiot: Not quite the same. I've never heard of gays being forced to pick cotton while singing show tunes.


You'll have to ask Ted Danson about that.
 
2012-06-19 06:16:15 PM

Wangiss: 'swat I'm saying. The article was rather sensationalist.


I can see what they're saying. The state law only prohibits discrimination based on certain classes, of which sexual orientation is not one. But if a local municipality (in this case, Lawrence, KS) decides they want to expand the protected classes to include gay people, this law basically says that people have the option to ignore that local law in favor of their "right" to discriminate, as granted by the higher priority state law, based on their religion.
 
2012-06-19 06:18:42 PM
It's the 14th amendment's Incorporation concept, edited for Kansas in the 21st century!
 
2012-06-19 06:28:24 PM
Sigh. "people.virginia.edu."
 
2012-06-19 06:42:19 PM
I love a good Supremacy clause fight.

New GOP slogan
"Because if we can't win fairly, we'll screw the fark out of anyone that lets us"
 
2012-06-19 06:44:49 PM
I think Dorothy better go back to Oz. Her friends aren't welcome in Kansas.
 
2012-06-19 06:45:12 PM

Lionel Mandrake: A message for Evangelicals from The Big Guy:



[skepchick.org image 222x150]
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG


Kansas is why God is punishing America.

Remember that whole "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

Yeah, a whole lot of Christians are headed for Hell.
 
2012-06-19 06:47:42 PM

LasersHurt: Aarontology: I'm going to start pretending to be religious so I can get exemptions from the law.

My religion says I can't allow any Christians into my restaurant.

Hey, look, an angry mob of customers!


Better than that.

Make em follow Sharia
 
2012-06-19 06:52:09 PM

meat0918: I love a good Supremacy clause fight.

New GOP slogan
"Because if we can't win fairly, we'll screw the fark out of anyone that lets us"


The single most important thing that Republicans in the US Congress have to do is ensure that Barack Obama is a one term president. Eric Cantor said that. The Single Most Important thing. Not "solving the economic crisis", "creating jobs", "passing a budget", "defending the Constitution", "following our oaths of office". Making sure that the sheriff is no longer near as of January 2013.
 
2012-06-19 06:55:48 PM

dahmers love zombie: meat0918: I love a good Supremacy clause fight.

New GOP slogan
"Because if we can't win fairly, we'll screw the fark out of anyone that lets us"

The single most important thing that Republicans in the US Congress have to do is ensure that Barack Obama is a one term president. Eric Cantor said that. The Single Most Important thing. Not "solving the economic crisis", "creating jobs", "passing a budget", "defending the Constitution", "following our oaths of office". Making sure that the sheriff is no longer near as of January 2013.


I think that was McConnell, but yeah, the Republican party has been the greatest threat to America for a while now.
 
2012-06-19 06:59:36 PM

meat0918: Lionel Mandrake: A message for Evangelicals from The Big Guy:



[skepchick.org image 222x150]
YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

Kansas is why God is punishing America.

Remember that whole "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

Yeah, a whole lot of Christians are headed for Hell.


But they know that. (About the other Christians)
 
2012-06-19 07:02:39 PM
Religion: using outdated fairy tales to justify hatred for at least 2,000 years.
 
2012-06-19 07:35:03 PM

leftteffticle: but then again, I'm an atheist, so my beef with Christians is totally legit and their lifestyle of bigotry is totally against my "religion" (or rather lack there of) and I don't see why I should have to support it.


Why did you put religion in scare quotes? Haven't these same militant Christian Nationalist assholes been claiming that atheism is a religion?

Let's say they won that one, then you can move to Kansas and do your thing, man.
 
2012-06-19 07:52:48 PM
Send in the National Guard.
 
2012-06-19 07:52:52 PM
AAAND Kansas takes the lead in the race to the bottom!
 
2012-06-19 07:53:26 PM
Jim Crow doesn't fit for anti gay discrimination.


Call it Julian Flamingo instead.
 
2012-06-19 07:54:04 PM
My religious beliefs won't let me hire Christians so I'm moving to Kansas if this thing passes so I can freely practice my beliefs. Suck it haters.
 
2012-06-19 07:57:30 PM

exick: leftteffticle: Ooooooh, does this mean that I can move to Kansas, start a business, hire all Christians, find out they're Christians, and then fire them all because their lifestyle goes against my religious beliefs? That would be cool, right?

I would say yes, but they try to cover their asses on that one by saying "Any person found by a court of competent jurisdiction to have abused the protection of this act by making a fraudulent claim may be enjoined from filing further claims under this act without leave of court."

Which just means that your "religion" has to be based on a poorly-sourced book that's at least a few hundred years old and not just invented in your mind. And that also means that the state of Kansas is going to be sued into oblivion by people whose religions they find to be fraudulent.


Mormons are hosed then.
 
2012-06-19 07:57:57 PM
This is not the country both my great-grandfathers, both my grandfathers, and both my uncles fought to protect. This is the shiat they fought to protect us FROM. What the farking fark, Kansas? What the farking fark.

As if anyone needed more reason to get their taints to the polls in November and vote for Obama.
 
2012-06-19 07:58:41 PM
 
2012-06-19 07:59:51 PM
FTFA:
"I don't think an ordinance should trump other people's religious rights," said Rep. Jan Pauls, a Democrat on the Judiciary Committee that heard testimony about the bill. During a forum earlier this year, Pauls gave an example to explain why she backs the bill, saying an employer should be allowed to fire a "cross dresser."

"The question is personal belief as far as religion," she said. "Should that be trumped by forcing people to then support a lifestyle that they don't support due to their religion?"


I completely agree with this. Why, just the other day, I was lamenting how the law renders me unable to sacrifice nubile young virgins to my lord Quetzalcoatl.
 
2012-06-19 08:00:02 PM
Guys, guys, it's OK. As RON PAUL will surely tell you, if there's any actual injustice going on there then the free market will sort it out in a jiffy! For is not the market the most perfect of all possible markets, just as God Almighty Hisself intended?
 
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