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(Some Taran)   "Brave" will debut a new sound system, Dolby Atmos, which can play up to 128 different sounds as it drives your car into a river to kill you   (animatedviews.com) divider line 174
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2012-06-19 11:46:22 PM
Could someone please explain this "river" meme that I see popping up today? Thank you.
 
2012-06-20 12:06:20 AM
All of you with horrible theater experiences need to come down Austin-ways and get tickets at an Alamo Drafthouse or Flix Brewhouse. They have a strict "you talk or text, you get thrown out" policy. Also, they have decent food (and beer, I hear), and you get to eat there in the theater at the tables in front of you :) They also don't allow children in after a certain time.

I refuse to go to any of the other theaters. I'd rather not deal with the screaming kids in any movie, and I don't tolerate texting or talking well.

Alamo Drafthouse
Flix Brewhouse
 
2012-06-20 12:57:07 AM

Coastalgrl: Ghastly: Cythraul: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Not to be confused with Dolby, Thomas, which will blind you with science

SCIENCE!

Came for this! Leaving satisfied.

Also...
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Me rocking out on stage on accordion with Thomas Dolby (only 6 sound objects).

LOVE IT! Is that a utilikilt?


It's actually a tripp kilt.
 
2012-06-20 01:22:34 AM

Assimilate This: Could someone please explain this "river" meme that I see popping up today? Thank you.


No idea what youre talking about, but this is what the headline is referencing.
 
2012-06-20 04:25:13 AM

Assimilate This: Could someone please explain this "river" meme that I see popping up today? Thank you.


I wonder what a River Song would sound like on that system.
 
2012-06-20 09:32:11 AM
SpectroBoy

"I just wish sound engineers would stop putting the "loud stuff" a trillion decibels above the dialog. Movies are STORIES about PEOPLE, not about explosions."

So much THIS. With so many movies nowadays, you turn up the volume sufficiently to hear what they're saying and all of the sudden BLAAAAMMMM!!!! and you have to pause the movie, get up and go change your shorts. I've actually thought of hooking up one of my spare Alesis compressors to the DVD channel on my preamp to remedy the situation.

BTW: I actually much prefer the sound of a movie or concert DVD on my regular 2-channel old-fashioned stereo. 2 ears, 2 channels... It's enough.
 
2012-06-20 10:13:23 AM

GibbyTheMole: So much THIS. With so many movies nowadays, you turn up the volume sufficiently to hear what they're saying and all of the sudden BLAAAAMMMM!!!! and you have to pause the movie, get up and go change your shorts. I've actually thought of hooking up one of my spare Alesis compressors to the DVD channel on my preamp to remedy the situation.


It won't help. Going from clipping to barely moving the meter cannot really be compensated for. You can normalize it, but the loud parts will sound crappy from being cut down, and the quiet parts will sound blown out, and it won't switch fast enough between loud to quiet or quiet to loud.

The only thing that can fix the problem is sound engineers pulling their heads out of their asses.
 
2012-06-20 10:51:52 AM

hitlersbrain: Tapakip: Dr. Who sucks.

/that's right I said it

Uh oh, don't be surprised if your neutron flow's polarity is suddenly reversed!


FTFY...just watched The Sea Devils yesterday. :-)
 
2012-06-20 11:12:33 AM
fluffy2097

It won't help. Going from clipping to barely moving the meter cannot really be compensated for. You can normalize it, but the loud parts will sound crappy from being cut down, and the quiet parts will sound blown out, and it won't switch fast enough between loud to quiet or quiet to loud.

I dunno... It's infinitely adjustable and you can set the attack time down to 0.1 ms. That's pretty quick. Set it with a soft-knee response and it could at least improve it.
 
2012-06-20 02:36:06 PM

fluffy2097: GibbyTheMole: So much THIS. With so many movies nowadays, you turn up the volume sufficiently to hear what they're saying and all of the sudden BLAAAAMMMM!!!! and you have to pause the movie, get up and go change your shorts. I've actually thought of hooking up one of my spare Alesis compressors to the DVD channel on my preamp to remedy the situation.

It won't help. Going from clipping to barely moving the meter cannot really be compensated for. You can normalize it, but the loud parts will sound crappy from being cut down, and the quiet parts will sound blown out, and it won't switch fast enough between loud to quiet or quiet to loud.

The only thing that can fix the problem is sound engineers pulling their heads out of their asses.


Again: Dolby Volume.

/pay attention
 
2012-06-20 03:21:30 PM
Why should you have to pay more money for bits of technology to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place?

Why should you spend money to fix a problem that only exists because someone is failing to do their job?

/No good answer.
 
2012-06-20 03:23:48 PM

GibbyTheMole: I dunno... It's infinitely adjustable and you can set the attack time down to 0.1 ms. That's pretty quick. Set it with a soft-knee response and it could at least improve it.


I love it when my normalizer constantly adjusts the volume. It's even better when it's clearly audible. Really ads to the viewing experience.

It'S The AudiO EquiVilANt tO RanDOM CApitAliZAtioN.
 
2012-06-20 03:49:37 PM

fluffy2097: Why should you have to pay more money for bits of technology to fix a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place?

Why should you spend money to fix a problem that only exists because someone is failing to do their job?

/No good answer.


The answer is simple: film soundtracks are mixed for movie theaters.

With good speakers, a good receiver/pre-amp+amp, and proper level calibration Blu-ray lossless soundtracks are usually dynamic and balanced. However only the formats Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital carry information telling the decoders "night mode" how to compress the sound properly. Because DTS-HD MA and DTS doesn't do this (and PCM which is pretty much raw sound data) Dolby developed Dolby Volume to compress the dynamic range for those who need it (like you or those of us in apartments or who have small children with sensitive ears). There is no pumping or breathing, no audible artifacts. It simply works. There is 3 settings: low-med--high. Romantic comedies and older films usually get away with low. Stuff with music, as well as late 70s thru early 90s are good for mid. High is for your modern action spectaculars.

Calibration is extremely important as well, otherwise your center channel is out of balance. Pretty much all professionally mixed soundtracks will have clear dialogue...when played back properly.

The sound mixers are doing their job. It's the downstream chain that's not.
 
2012-06-20 04:40:52 PM

peterthx: The answer is simple: film soundtracks are mixed for movie theaters.


OH! I SEE!

The problem with my DVD's for home consumption is that I'm supposed to play them at a movie theater! I'll get right on constructing one in my apartment.

/they sound like shiat at the movies too.
 
2012-06-20 04:42:52 PM
peterthx:

Do you have any solution for this problem that does not involve buying hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of high grade audio gear?
 
2012-06-20 04:55:18 PM

fluffy2097: peterthx:

Do you have any solution for this problem that does not involve buying hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of high grade audio gear?


If you're playing DVD soundtracks with Dolby Digital audio your receiver should have a night mode on it. If it doesn't you really need to upgrade it.

As far as sound quality goes: you get what you pay for.
 
2012-06-20 05:03:37 PM
fluffy2097

"I love it when my normalizer constantly adjusts the volume. It's even better when it's clearly audible. Really ads to the viewing experience.
It'S The AudiO EquiVilANt tO RanDOM CApitAliZAtioN."


I'm not sure if you have an accurate idea of the piece of equipment I'm talking about. This particular piece of gear is a rack mount recording studio/professional compressor used by audio professionals to apply compression to recordings and live sound. If it did what you're describing, it would not be used by audio engineers except for a doorstop. It is not a cheap home theater "normalizer" gadget. Regardless, if I put it in the circuit and I don't like it, I can always remove it.

I'm also not replacing the preamp in my stereo system with some receiver just to get Dolby volume for a few movies.
 
2012-06-20 05:14:16 PM
So there is no solution that doesn't require buying more then a blue ray player an HDMI cable and a TV that has an HDMI input.

That's farking broken and you know it.
 
2012-06-20 05:16:06 PM

Bubba_the_Hutt: TheGhostofFarkPast: Bubba_the_Hutt: frepnog: i spent a couple hours last night watching Iron Man 2 on my home theater system. HD video supplied by a Nvidia 550, Dolby Surround, and to my ears sounded farking amazing. 6 speakers (well 7 actually, since I have two center channels connected to double the sound, since it seems in current films dialog gets buried under sound effects and music).

i just don't think this crap is necessary. neat, perhaps.

Instead of having two speakers you could just increase the volume of your center channel.


That's what I did on my marantz system, it can all be manually adjusted through either the web or a phone app and I always have to turn up the middle channel because as he said the vocals get pushed below everything else.

I personally really enjoy surround sound and I think a lot of bands need to take advantage of it more and I wish more wound think in terms of the whole venue and not just stereo. I was hoping SACD's would take off more than they did because they were able to provide a very nice full sound all the way around you. Nothing beats listening to Dredg's "el cielo" SACD, which was made at Lucas Skywalker ranch, and drinking a new brew to calm the nerves.

Also making sure everything is calibrated properly makes a big difference. I had a neighbor who calibrated my first receiver and when I replaced that one I made sure to get one that auto calibrates.

I'll have to check out "el cielo." My favorite song to demo my home theater system is, as phd as it may sound, "Money for Nothing" turned up really, really loud.


I spent way to much and got the marantz SR7005 because I wanted a receiver that sounded really good along with being able to be managed from a phone/tablet/web. It comes with Audyssey tuning system so I set that up first thing and it really helps out a lot.

I will say another SACD I like is the Linkin Park Reanimation disc. I am not a huge Linkin Park fan but that whole disc is done by other musicians who are worth their weight in gold and ones who are remix legends. Between the surround sound and the higher bit rate you can knock your windows out. Crystal Method's "legion of Boom" is a DTS-ES/DVD-Audio is another one that has a great sonic range.
 
2012-06-20 06:35:25 PM

fluffy2097: It'S The AudiO EquiVilANt tO RanDOM CApitAliZAtioN.


So Torgo would like it? But, y know, only while the Master's away?
 
2012-06-20 06:59:27 PM

PizzaJedi81: fluffy2097: It'S The AudiO EquiVilANt tO RanDOM CApitAliZAtioN.

So Torgo would like it? But, y know, only while the Master's away?


AlsO SmALl ChilDren Of ALL agES
 
2012-06-20 07:33:35 PM

fluffy2097: PizzaJedi81: fluffy2097: It'S The AudiO EquiVilANt tO RanDOM CApitAliZAtioN.

So Torgo would like it? But, y know, only while the Master's away?

AlsO SmALl ChilDren Of ALL agES


LeT Me JuSt GeT YoUr CoMpLiMeNtArY CrAzY BrEaD...
 
2012-06-20 08:56:45 PM

fluffy2097: peterthx:

Do you have any solution for this problem that does not involve buying hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of high grade audio gear?


Make sure the receiver you buy has a "night mode"setting, and your problem is solved. Night mode dampens all those sudden loud noises, such as guns and explosions.
 
2012-06-21 03:25:31 PM

GibbyTheMole: SpectroBoy

"I just wish sound engineers would stop putting the "loud stuff" a trillion decibels above the dialog. Movies are STORIES about PEOPLE, not about explosions."

So much THIS. With so many movies nowadays, you turn up the volume sufficiently to hear what they're saying and all of the sudden BLAAAAMMMM!!!! and you have to pause the movie, get up and go change your shorts. I've actually thought of hooking up one of my spare Alesis compressors to the DVD channel on my preamp to remedy the situation.

BTW: I actually much prefer the sound of a movie or concert DVD on my regular 2-channel old-fashioned stereo. 2 ears, 2 channels... It's enough.


I've thought about setting up a sound-perception experiment where I run a series of sounds in stereo, going from 100% one side to the other, some matched with moving images or a lack thereof, and ask the listener whether the sound is behind or in front of them. I had an odd moment yesterday walking home where the track I was playing included the sound of a horse and cart passing from left to right. I had to stop for a moment and check over my shoulder, as I forgot that particular sound was coming and my headset is pretty awesome, so I wondered "why am I hearing a horse coming up behind me?"

Fun fact: the ATSC broadcasting standards include methods for level control within the program stream, but the only one that gets implemented (poorly, if at all) is "dialnorm".

Dolby Volume, from what has been described here, sounds like some kind of loudness metadata that a processor can use to smoothly adjust source level in advance, as opposed to the cheapo compressors and normalizers built into TVs that can only react to whatever is passing through the audio channels at a given time. Neat trick, not going to be available for everything and everyone. Frankly, a better solution might be doing that Dolby Volume trick in reverse; mix and master to a narrower dynamic range for home video release, include the metadata for use by an expander instead of a compressor - make the meganoise opt-in instead of opt-out.
 
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