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(Deadspin)   Jerry Sandusky's attorney compares trial to soap opera. You'll never guess which one   (deadspin.com) divider line 112
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2012-06-19 11:09:46 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: JohnBigBootay: Meh. This is a criminal matter. The NCAA deals with athletics and academics. I really don't need those yahoos meddling any more than they already do.

So they were wrong to take scholarships from Baylor in 2003 after the coach actively tried to cover up a murder?


Although I don't recall this case I am confident we don't have room in this forum to list all the instances of the NCAA being inconsistent, wrong or unfair. penn state fans and players had nothing to do with this. So although I am in no way, shape or form a Penn state fan, I am more than happy for them to stay completely out of this matter.
 
2012-06-19 11:16:35 PM  
...and you might have mentioned it was a current player who committed the murder that was covered up. Still though, even with that I don't really want the NCAA involved in criminal matters. They're a bunch of arbitrary power hungry dickheads, not the police.
 
2012-06-19 11:22:22 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Although I don't recall this case I am confident we don't have room in this forum to list all the instances of the NCAA being inconsistent, wrong or unfair. penn state fans and players had nothing to do with this. So although I am in no way, shape or form a Penn state fan, I am more than happy for them to stay completely out of this matter.


I'm not with the lynch mob either but if it went all the way to the top it's very tempting to just tell the current player to transfer out without penalty and just go away for a few years. The main problem is PSU is so insular that unless you get rid everyone down to the deck it's tough to say the problem's been dealt with.
 
2012-06-19 11:39:01 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: JohnBigBootay: Although I don't recall this case I am confident we don't have room in this forum to list all the instances of the NCAA being inconsistent, wrong or unfair. penn state fans and players had nothing to do with this. So although I am in no way, shape or form a Penn state fan, I am more than happy for them to stay completely out of this matter.

I'm not with the lynch mob either but if it went all the way to the top it's very tempting to just tell the current player to transfer out without penalty and just go away for a few years. The main problem is PSU is so insular that unless you get rid everyone down to the deck it's tough to say the problem's been dealt with.


Its not tough for me. Paterno was a singular figure in college football who by and large ran as clean a program as there was and he's gone and they got rid of him quickly. And the president was dismissed as well. And they hired a squeaky clean independent investigator. So I'm confident the school itself has acted appropriately in the aftermath. I think there is at least equal fault with the law enforcement officials who ignored this for years. They aren't getting the death penalty. They don't close down the church when a priest diddles kids or shut down the company when the CEO diddles kids or shut down the elementary school when a teacher diddles kids and no one really cares. People just get extremely partisan and emotional when it comes to sports. Let's just punish the criminal and put this behind us and move on.
 
2012-06-19 11:51:33 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Ken VeryBigLiar: JohnBigBootay: Although I don't recall this case I am confident we don't have room in this forum to list all the instances of the NCAA being inconsistent, wrong or unfair. penn state fans and players had nothing to do with this. So although I am in no way, shape or form a Penn state fan, I am more than happy for them to stay completely out of this matter.

I'm not with the lynch mob either but if it went all the way to the top it's very tempting to just tell the current player to transfer out without penalty and just go away for a few years. The main problem is PSU is so insular that unless you get rid everyone down to the deck it's tough to say the problem's been dealt with.

Its not tough for me. Paterno was a singular figure in college football who by and large ran as clean a program as there was and he's gone and they got rid of him quickly. And the president was dismissed as well. And they hired a squeaky clean independent investigator. So I'm confident the school itself has acted appropriately in the aftermath. I think there is at least equal fault with the law enforcement officials who ignored this for years. They aren't getting the death penalty. They don't close down the church when a priest diddles kids or shut down the company when the CEO diddles kids or shut down the elementary school when a teacher diddles kids and no one really cares. People just get extremely partisan and emotional when it comes to sports. Let's just punish the criminal and put this behind us and move on.


no, just like the church the problem was the power of the program. punish the program. just like you should punish the church...
 
2012-06-19 11:59:57 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Paterno was a singular figure in college football who by and large ran as clean a program as there was and he's gone and they got rid of him quickly.


There have been issues with players for at least a decade (Navarro Bowman, anyone?) so saying Paterno ran a clean program is crap. He was in over his head in a cut throat world where the players outgrew his control.
 
2012-06-20 12:01:13 AM  
"no, just like the church the problem was the power of the program. punish the program. just like you should punish the church..."

I though Paterno WAS the program? He's gone you know. He has no influence over anyone anymore. And last I saw the churches were still all open. They paid out some civil judgments of course, as will psu I imagine when all is said and done.
 
2012-06-20 12:03:05 AM  
"There have been issues with players for at least a decade (Navarro Bowman, anyone?)"

Not familiar. And I said 'as clean', not spotless. I'll stand by that.
 
2012-06-20 01:31:30 AM  

JohnBigBootay: "no, just like the church the problem was the power of the program. punish the program. just like you should punish the church..."

I though Paterno WAS the program? He's gone you know. He has no influence over anyone anymore. And last I saw the churches were still all open. They paid out some civil judgments of course, as will psu I imagine when all is said and done.


i'm fine shutting down churches too. but that's a little more political. the death penalty has never been more appropriate.

/of course the ncaa only cares about their cartel of free labor, so nothing will happen...
 
2012-06-20 02:57:45 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I think Sandusky is going for the classic "incompetent lawyer" appeal, to keep himself out of the electric chair.


it's pretty blatant he's getting the set-up. it's lawyers like this that make people hate lawyers.
 
2012-06-20 03:30:58 AM  
CHILD "RAPISTS" MUST LOVE THE LEGAL SYSTEM CAUSE IT ENCOURAGES KIDS TO "GO ALONG" because they might make money from it someday. otherwise they'd say "why do you want me to suck your d***"??
 
2012-06-20 09:27:43 AM  

JohnBigBootay: killershark: But again, SMU got the death penalty for a "lack of institutional control" while severely violating NCAA rules.

Their severe rules violations were primarily secret bank accounts and systematically paying players to come there - for years - with the coach and AD in on the whole thing. In order to gain a competitive advantage. As reprehensible as this whole thing is, it has nothing to do with gaining a competitive advantage for football. It's about one pedophile and the people who did not do enough to stop him. They have the guy, the old coach is dead, and the president has been fired. Cancelling the football program would only serve to satisfy blood lust and frankly it wouldn't help anyone.


That gets you into dangerous territory, as schools will feel they can do anything as long as there is a fall guy.

Anyway, the Feds have a lot more work to do unraveling all of the business deals that went on between Paterno, Second Mile, and school officials. Also, with the recent emails uncovered that spelled out the cover-up, this does affect the school.

If nothing else, it demonstrates how dangerous it is for these institutions to have the kind of power that they have. If the NCAA expects to ever be taken seriously, they have to have a role not just in punishing Penn State, but also closely examining other schools.
 
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