Remember all those people who bought all those guns and ammo because "Obama gonna take our guns!"

Those people are so stupid.

I still want one of these:



Or this:



Though realistically I wouldn't mind having this:

clcunn01: I just purchased my first firearm last week so I am getting a kick out of this discussion.

Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 for the win.

I'm looking forward to a mag dump with my Huntertown Guardian spun on the muzzle...

James F. Campbell: 89 Stick-Up Kid: James F. Campbell: You are the architects of your own demises.

So what happens when a gun toting American kills you and your family because you were too pu&&y to defend yourselves?

A gun in the home is statistically more likely to be used to kill someone else in that home than to kill an intruder.

I hope you have lots of guns in your house.

You are irrationally assuming that the only possible outcome of successful home defense is the death of an intruder.

Oblig:

dittybopper: James F. Campbell: Personally, I support Americans buying guns. The more guns there are, the more Americans that die by guns each year. You are the architects of your own demises.

Actually, that's not true:

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Quite the opposite: It seems that an increase in the number of guns has led to a decrease in the rate of gun deaths



Looks like gun deaths dropped sharply after the Brady Act was passed, all while the population kept increasing along with number of guns. Looks like it leveled off after getting rid of the 5 day waiting period, though.

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I think Democrats should litigate away gun rights like the Republicans are doing with abortion. Bury them under so much red tape that getting a gun is impossible.

PiTHON: Looks like gun deaths dropped sharply after the Brady Act was passed, all while the population kept increasing along with number of guns. Looks like it leveled off after getting rid of the 5 day waiting period, though.

Or perhaps it indicates that gun deaths -were- declining as the act was passed. There are far more than one variable.

This looks a lot like the charts I used to see claiming the 55 mph speed limit was a success, charts showing the plummeting highway deaths in the years directly following its passage. Years I might add, also directly following seat belts being made mandatory in all vehicles, along with collapsible steering columns, bumper impact standards, crumple zones, standardized bumper heights, side impact anti-intrusion standards, and other Federal mandates from 1974, along with the beginnings of the first common use of child seats, the switch over to radial tires and disc brakes, and a few other things I am forgetting.
But you get the point.

/Fact is, -ALL- crime started dropping about that point, and it drops as we went into the best economy we had seen for a long time, or have seen since. Note its starts to edge back up right about the time the 90's economic boom slowed down.
Bet that has more to do with it.

This text is now purple: manimal2878: The NRA is, at this point, a propaganda machined for the republican party. They excel in hyperbole and fearmongering.

Well now you understand how the republican party feels about unions.

No, how they feel about unions is the result of more propaganda and fear-mongering.

Slutbucket: Fact: an estimated 25% of the US population owns a firearm. The feds cannot accurately account for the total. However you can count on at least 75 million armed US citizens.

No you can't, because many, many more gun owners than you can imagine, do not buy the right wing version reality. If it came to a confrontation like you say, my privately owned gun would be on the side of our government not traitors who try to over throw it in the name of their false patriotism.

Bucky Katt: Hershey Highway Patrol: Quasar: I absolutely love the NRA's logic. Obama is going to take away your guns. He hasn't done anything of the sort yet, and in fact has loosened some gun regulations, but he'll take them away - that's the plan. It's masterful. He's lulling you into a false sense of security because it will be that much sweeter to tear off the second amendment from the constitution itself and wipe his butt with it in front of you. He's just waiting for the right time to do it.

The right time being, of course, only after an incredibly difficult not remotely guaranteed re-election. Masterful.

Now the NRA would NEVER blow something our of proportion for their own gain would they?

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Maybe the NRA should lose its tax exempt status for engaging in partisan politics.

The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action is a legally separate entity from the tax-exempt National Rifle Association. All political lobbying is accomplished through the former organization.

montex: I think Democrats should litigate away gun rights like the Republicans are doing with abortion. Bury them under so much red tape that getting a gun is impossible.

For what reason should Democrats engage in such irrational and Unconstitutional behaviour?

Dimensio: montex: I think Democrats should litigate away gun rights like the Republicans are doing with abortion. Bury them under so much red tape that getting a gun is impossible.

For what reason should Democrats engage in such irrational and Unconstitutional behaviour?

To get a bunch of Republicans elected is about the only reason I can think of.

SN1987a goes boom: You know if the NRA didn't have so many people scared shiatless about how the government was going "take yer guns away", then maybe those same people wouldn't put such a high demand on the ammo market and prices could come down a little.

If the left didn't have so many people scared shiatless about how the arabs are going to take yer oil away, then maybe people wouldn't put such a high demand on the oil market and gas prices could come down a little.

netweavr: I wish you f*ckers would stop buying bullets.

Farking A.

I remember when I could buy a pack of these for around 11 bucks:

Now it's upwards of $26.

Gun food for the range is getting damn expensive..

safetycap: American Citizens rounded up and forcibly relocated without due process, based solely on a unilateral decision by the executive (specifically, Executive Order 1066).


Is that the one that got rid of all the Jedi?

I sure hope that subby is a woman!

dittybopper: How do you explain then that crime has continued to drop despite the worse recession since the 1930s?

Are you really missing the point that there is more than one variable to this whole thing? I pointed out a second. You point out that it isn't a magic bullet either. Yeah. No shiat. Thats sort of where the whole 'Lots of variables' things comes in.

/Look, you feel the desperate need to pin the entire cultures crime rate on your favorite pet legislation about your favorite pet subject, fine. Just don't expect the rest of us to think of you as anything but a buffoon.

BobBoxBody:

Though realistically I wouldn't mind having this:

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Scroll up...... If you can find ammo for the FiveSeven.... let me know. :( Right now I have a $1200 hammer.

Jack Kerouac: Lionel Mandrake: I know this isn't an NRA thread per se, but...

F*CK THE NRA

As a former member of the NRA... I concur.

/F*ck 'em

I stopped renewing my membership and taking them seriously around the same time they let Ted "Poopy Pants" Nugent on their board of directors.
Nothing like letting an openly racist pedophile who's desperately trying to become relevant anyway he can be your public mouthpiece.
/F*ck 'em twice with a big rubber dick.

boozehat: BobBoxBody:

Though realistically I wouldn't mind having this:

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Scroll up...... If you can find ammo for the FiveSeven.... let me know. :( Right now I have a $1200 hammer.

ammoman.com has 1k for $500 delivered

Many of you probably forgot about this incident, but there are victims of the "Obama gonna take R guhns" propaganda. The NRA and right-wing pundits feed the delusional when there are ZERO facts demonstrating Obama wants to put more regulations on gun ownership. The facts show quite the opposite.

Also, I don't think I'm going to be clicking on any Time links again. Anyone else notice how poorly-edited and written TFA is? Why include the crap about zombies?

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: The NRA and right-wing pundits feed the delusional when there are ZERO facts demonstrating Obama wants to put more regulations on gun ownership. The facts show quite the opposite.

Facts are not really a strong suit of the far-right pundits.

/More like Kryptonite

i.r.id10t: ammoman.com

You just fixed my hammer!!!!

dittybopper: manimal2878: Slutbucket: Fact: an estimated 25% of the US population owns a firearm. The feds cannot accurately account for the total. However you can count on at least 75 million armed US citizens.

No you can't, because many, many more gun owners than you can imagine, do not buy the right wing version reality. If it came to a confrontation like you say, my privately owned gun would be on the side of our government not traitors who try to over throw it in the name of their false patriotism.

Wait: You are saying that no matter what happens, you would always side with the government, no matter what? Really? There is no combination of events that would make

Talk about blind patriotism. I thought that was supposed to be strictly a "right wing" phenomenon.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that those who are currently talking resurrection do not have valid reasons to do so, and I would fight against them. There are plenty of reasons I would side against the government, for example, if those same insurrectionists took over the government.

My loyalty is to ideas and principles, not to governments, I will side with those that most represent my ideals. Patriotism to me is always blind and misguided, it places adherence to symbols and the trappings of the true ideals above the idea itself.

manimal2878: dittybopper: manimal2878: Slutbucket: Fact: an estimated 25% of the US population owns a firearm. The feds cannot accurately account for the total. However you can count on at least 75 million armed US citizens.

No you can't, because many, many more gun owners than you can imagine, do not buy the right wing version reality. If it came to a confrontation like you say, my privately owned gun would be on the side of our government not traitors who try to over throw it in the name of their false patriotism.

Wait: You are saying that no matter what happens, you would always side with the government, no matter what? Really? There is no combination of events that would make

Talk about blind patriotism. I thought that was supposed to be strictly a "right wing" phenomenon.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that those who are currently talking resurrection do not have valid reasons to do so, and I would fight against them. There are plenty of reasons I would side against the government, for example, if those same insurrectionists took over the government.

My loyalty is to ideas and principles, not to governments, I will side with those that most represent my ideals. Patriotism to me is always blind and misguided, it places adherence to symbols and the trappings of the true ideals above the idea itself.



"Hey! You leave me out of this!"

Friend of mine owns a machine shop. One of their products is some sort of upgrade parts for assault rifles and business went from piecemeal to booming when Obama got elected. It was funny hearing the customer rant and rave about how Obama was going to destroy the economy and small businesses while simultaneously handing their small business piles of money for parts that were only selling well because of fear that Obama was gonna take all the guns away. I seriously don't get it, has Obama ever even mentioned anything about guns? If he has, I've never heard it. I hope he gets re-elected, I'm betting the gun parts orders will shoot through the roof again.

I think the right would be surprised if they knew how many of us on the left are in fact responsible gun owners and/or strong supporters of the 2nd amendment, not to mention all the rest of the amendments. We just don't feel the need to wave our dicks around in an irrational panic.

Welfare Xmas: craigdamage: AR-15 fires a common standardized cartridge. It is totally ubiquitous to current military and law enforcement. Parts,ammo and STANAG magazines

Only if chambered in 223 Wylde. A AR-15 chambered in 223 Remington shouldn't be used to fire 5.56 military ammo and a M4 or M16 chambered in 5.56 will not be particularly accurate shooting 223 Remington.

All my AR-15s are chambered in 223 Wylde and can accurately and safely shoot any 5.56 or 223 round.

my KelTech is chambered for 5.56 and will put almost all .223 ammo down range in under 2 inches (at 100 yards) if I do my part. Personally I think I can cope with with that level of accuracy

davidab: 2 inches (at 100 yards)

Definitely NOT sub MOA accuracy.

Welfare Xmas: davidab: 2 inches (at 100 yards)

Definitely NOT sub MOA accuracy.

This might be a rumor, but I've heard that military ammo is expected to only achieve 4 moa accuracy.

manimal2878: Welfare Xmas: davidab: 2 inches (at 100 yards)

Definitely NOT sub MOA accuracy.

This might be a rumor, but I've heard that military ammo is expected to only achieve 4 moa accuracy.

It's definitely not match grade. But the perpetrator ammo I've shot out of my match grade barrels does better than 4 MOA.

Vlad_the_Inaner: Welfare Xmas: perpetrator ammo

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farking spell checker

manimal2878: Welfare Xmas: davidab: 2 inches (at 100 yards)

Definitely NOT sub MOA accuracy.

This might be a rumor, but I've heard that military ammo is expected to only achieve 4 moa accuracy.

Depends on the country or origin and your rifle.

Generally I count on 3 MOA for "good" mil-surp and am happy with anything under that. However, My PWS Mk116 will shoot around 1.5 MOA with old (1969-1970) M193 and slightly better with IMI. My Mk216 and National Match M1A shoot Lithuanian 7.62x51 right around 1 MOA. Radway Green and/or DAG opens the groups up a little and Paki runs around 3.5 MOA.

Welfare Xmas: davidab: 2 inches (at 100 yards)

Definitely NOT sub MOA accuracy.

I take it you are a bench-rest shooter? If yes, why bother with an AR? Also are you going to tell me that you ever need to hit a 2 inch target, and you didnt bring the correct ammo? If I am out killing rodents at 100 yards I bring 5.56 ammo or a good hand load.

If I find myself in the position of shooting something other than paper with factory .223 it will probably be an emergency, and I am fairly sure my target will be human size. If that is the case, then I dont think I will be too worried about the difference between hitting the left ventricle or the right atrium. For that matter I will probably be happy with the lungs too (either one).

tell me about how your AR shoots sub MOA with the incorrect ammo for your chambering

are the results of my Kel Tech SU16 CA... I was using sandbags for support
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davidab: tell me about how your AR shoots sub MOA with the incorrect ammo for your chambering

It doesn't. You should do some research on the difference in 223 Remington, 5.56 NATO, and 223 Wylde if you are that interested.

Welfare Xmas: davidab: tell me about how your AR shoots sub MOA with the incorrect ammo for your chambering

It doesn't. You should do some research on the difference in 223 Remington, 5.56 NATO, and 223 Wylde if you are that interested.

you know... I was not aware there was a .223 wylde, if you mentioned it earlier I completely glossed over the wylde part.
/off to the internets