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2012-06-19 06:29:04 PM  

Corporate Self: Gun owners Everybody should be required to serve in the National Guard which is the evolution of the Militia.


Fixed that for you.

/why yes, I have a NG-22
//now stop hoarding the Varget and A-Maxes, biaches
 
2012-06-19 06:31:27 PM  

jaybeezey: Who's committing gun crime? A republican with 500rds in his basement or a democrat with 16rds in a glock?


The glock was stolen from a Republican and the thug probably doesn't vote because he's too busy gangbanging so you can hardly call him a Dem-o-rat.
 
2012-06-19 06:31:35 PM  

Corporate Self: Gun owners should be required to serve in the National Guard which is the evolution of the Militia.


Oh BTW, look of the legal difference in the definition of the organized militia and the unorganized militia.
 
2012-06-19 06:31:55 PM  

manimal2878: The NRA is, at this point, a propaganda machined for the republican party. They excel in hyperbole and fearmongering.


Well now you understand how the republican party feels about unions.
 
2012-06-19 06:32:06 PM  

Corporate Self: Gun owners should be required to serve in the National Guard which is the evolution of the Militia.


You mean a perversion of the militia. Imagine the founders, having just fought the British, stating that an armed populace, that might in the future have to fight their own government, should be able to be called up by that government for service to fight against themselves potentially, or else they get their second amendment rights taken away.

What might be a first amendment analogy to how that might work?
 
2012-06-19 06:33:53 PM  

DysphoricMania: I just don't see the scenario of an armed populace holding back the full might of the government in this day and age. I like to think we still could, but it somehow does not seem realistic at this point.


No, but by golly there'd be some angry blogging and Twitter feeds about it, you can bet on that.
 
2012-06-19 06:33:54 PM  

Corporate Self: Gun owners should be required to serve in the National Guard which is the evolution of the Militia.


Your proposal is not reasonable.
 
2012-06-19 06:36:28 PM  

Welfare Xmas: Corporate Self: Gun owners should be required to serve in the National Guard which is the evolution of the Militia.

Welfare recipients should be required to serve on road cleanup crews it would be the equivalent of having a job.

//just stirr'n the pudding


Well why we're at it, why not have the government pay tuition for -qualified- students to attend college? If they drop out prior to getting the degree, they have to pay that back. Those that graduate will work for the government in the field their degree is in for a period of say one year for every year of school. An additional benefit would be giving that new grad actual work experience to go with the degree. But make it an optional program, so that if someone didn't want the after-grad obligation, they find their own funding like it is now.
 
2012-06-19 06:38:16 PM  

Welfare Xmas: Been stocking up for about 2 years now. Mostly 12 Ga 00 Buckshot, .223/5.56, 45ACP and 22 LR. Also non-hybridized seeds, food and water.

When it all goes Greece I want to be prepared.


To get your house blown up by a tank or rocket launcher.
 
2012-06-19 06:41:32 PM  

12349876: To get your house blown up by a tank or rocket launcher.


Yes that was my exact thought. I guess I'll just go with what ever the government decides to do with me. No matter how tyrannical.
 
2012-06-19 06:46:35 PM  
I haven't seen anyone mention this yet. There is a large number of people out there who think the Mayan Apocalypse is coming soon. And they are stocking up. I have some friends at the local gun store. They have told me several people told them that is why they are buying guns and ammo, just in case. These are the ones willing to admit their idiocy.
The store has been selling a lot of guns for quite a while.
 
2012-06-19 06:50:08 PM  
While I see the definite possibility a president, or more likely his appointed supreme court, could rule against semi-automatic hand guns, for instance, I think what usually drives gun sales is gun sales. Yes, I mean gun sales lead to gun sales. I just bought a .40 cal pistol by EAA a few months ago. Then a month later one of the guys I showed it to got the bug and went out and bought a 9mm S&W. Two weeks ago I only planned on picking up a Nagant rifle and upon hearing that, a technician where I work decided he wanted one too. The other thing that drives gun sales is waiting periods. That means two trip to the gun store, and your item was paid for on your first trip. That makes the second trip like a whole new shopping day where it's OK to spend another $400 because the last $400 you spent was like a week ago (or so it felt).

I never biatch about women going crazy with buying their Louis Vuitton or Coach purses. I get it....

I currently have wood for the Ruger scout rifle. Only half-mast though cuz it's only offered in .308.

What's this thread about again?
 
2012-06-19 06:51:50 PM  

Welfare Xmas: 12349876: To get your house blown up by a tank or rocket launcher.

Yes that was my exact thought. I guess I'll just go with what ever the government decides to do with me. No matter how tyrannical.


That's what the ballot box and peaceful protest is for. With everything from nuclear weapons and drones in our militaries now, you might as well shoot yourself with your shotgun rather than fight an army with it if things get that bad. Peaceful protest is what will get other nations and military defectors on your side.
 
2012-06-19 06:52:37 PM  

DysphoricMania: Well, as to how they would collect the guns they would start out just like they did with gold last century. They pass a law saying it is illegal to own a firearm and you must surrender them by a certain date. A large number (not going to even say a majority, b/c there are no stats I know of) would obey the law. I'm sure you will have hold-outs that believe their rights trump the law. I can't say I disagree with that.

However, you'll never be able to use those guns again w/o facing jail. So if someone breaks in, and you shoot them... well, you can figure how that will go. I suppose it all comes down risk vs reward there.

As far as the US Military not firing on it's own people ... well they have in the past and nothing says it will not happen again.

And to the point of people being organized I really do not see that happening to much. I'm sure there are neighborhoods in this country that are that tight-knit, and think the same. But I think that is the exception and not the rule. Hell, most neighbors would not be able to get their act together long enough to decide on if they should all have the same mail box, or leave it to the owners... much less mount some group defense.

I just don't see the scenario of an armed populace holding back the full might of the government in this day and age. I like to think we still could, but it somehow does not seem realistic at this point.


I don't think the military could cover all the 3,537,441 square miles in the continental United States, the land mass is just too huge.
 
2012-06-19 06:53:16 PM  

DysphoricMania: Well, as to how they would collect the guns they would start out just like they did with gold last century. They pass a law saying it is illegal to own a firearm and you must surrender them by a certain date. A large number (not going to even say a majority, b/c there are no stats I know of) would obey the law. I'm sure you will have hold-outs that believe their rights trump the law. I can't say I disagree with that.

However, you'll never be able to use those guns again w/o facing jail. So if someone breaks in, and you shoot them... well, you can figure how that will go. I suppose it all comes down risk vs reward there.

As far as the US Military not firing on it's own people ... well they have in the past and nothing says it will not happen again.

And to the point of people being organized I really do not see that happening to much. I'm sure there are neighborhoods in this country that are that tight-knit, and think the same. But I think that is the exception and not the rule. Hell, most neighbors would not be able to get their act together long enough to decide on if they should all have the same mail box, or leave it to the owners... much less mount some group defense.

I just don't see the scenario of an armed populace holding back the full might of the government in this day and age. I like to think we still could, but it somehow does not seem realistic at this point.


Wrong

Fact: an estimated 25% of the US population owns a firearm. The feds cannot accurately account for the total. However you can count on at least 75 million armed US citizens.

Fact: the US armed forces (the feds enforcement) head count is approximately 1.4 million

Argument: would US troops fire on their fellow countrymen, friends family? Highly unlikely.

Argument: would US forces be effective in forcefully eradicating popular opinion? Never.

Argument: would US citizens rally to support a counter offensive. You better goddamn believe it.

With issued like the NDAA allowing gestapo-esk power... Our future will depend on community support and watch-guards against abuses.

/not playing the conspiracy card, or believe in 2012 end-jokeries, but have wide open eyes as of the last few years from our snake oil politicians.
 
2012-06-19 07:00:44 PM  

12349876: That's what the ballot box and peaceful protest is for. With everything from nuclear weapons and drones in our militaries now, you might as well shoot yourself with your shotgun rather than fight an army with it if things get that bad. Peaceful protest is what will get other nations and military defectors on your side.


Yup, peaceful protest worked in Libya and Egypt...those governments fell without bloodshed. Working well in Syria now, too...

If the last 11 years have taught us anything with regards to conflict, it should be that asymmetric warfare is QUITE effective at harassing and inflicting damage & casualties on a larger, better equipped, more technologically advanced force.

See also: WOLVERINES
 
2012-06-19 07:00:46 PM  

DysphoricMania: Well, as to how they would collect the guns they would start out just like they did with gold last century. They pass a law saying it is illegal to own a firearm and you must surrender them by a certain date. A large number (not going to even say a majority, b/c there are no stats I know of) would obey the law. I'm sure you will have hold-outs that believe their rights trump the law. I can't say I disagree with that.


I'm not sure how something like that could be passed short of a constitutional amendment repealing the 2ed, and attempting that (IMHO) would be suicide. (politically and otherwise)



However, you'll never be able to use those guns again w/o facing jail. So if someone breaks in, and you shoot them... well, you can figure how that will go. I suppose it all comes down risk vs reward there.

As far as the US Military not firing on it's own people ... well they have in the past and nothing says it will not happen again.


Yep, to believe otherwise would be foolish.



And to the point of people being organized I really do not see that happening to much. I'm sure there are neighborhoods in this country that are that tight-knit, and think the same. But I think that is the exception and not the rule. Hell, most neighbors would not be able to get their act together long enough to decide on if they should all have the same mail box, or leave it to the owners... much less mount some group defense.


People have a fantastic ability to pull together in times of crisis. If you don't believe me, wait and watch what happens when regional disaster season of your choice kicks off. People bicker and moan over little things all day, but when hell comes to Frogtown, by and large they put the little things aside.


I just don't see the scenario of an armed populace holding back the full might of the government in this day and age. I like to think we still could, but it somehow does not seem realistic at this point.


I suspect it is as realistic as it has ever been.

The biggest problem is going to be: How do you keep that machine running?

Modern military requires an immense amount of resources and a population to support them.
How long does that keep going when you have no one willing to drive your trucks, cook your food, or make/fix your equipment. How do you keep your high tech advantage when many of the very people that provide it to you are on the other side? It's one thing to attack another country, but how do you keep your super machine running when you have lost dozens of civilian contracting sites?
 
2012-06-19 07:00:52 PM  
My buddies are always asking if I can go to the gun range. I've considered getting a gun, because I have some scratch lying around. But after looking at the price of bullets, I'd rather waste my money on warhammer models. Not that warhammer models aren't also going through double digit price increases as well.
 
2012-06-19 07:02:41 PM  
i'm not a gun owner

that said if society collapses, i'm buying beer and steak for all the local gun hoarders
 
2012-06-19 07:03:17 PM  

Slutbucket: Argument: would US troops fire on their fellow countrymen, friends family? Highly unlikely.


Why not? It's been done before. You just send troops to areas they don't have family nor friends.
 
2012-06-19 07:03:23 PM  

Slutbucket: Argument: would US troops fire on their fellow countrymen, friends family? Highly unlikely.


It's happened time and again in American history. Just look at the way the police treated the "Occupiers" last year.

There's no such thing as a popular uprising defeating an incumbent government backed by the military without some kind of outside assistance.
 
2012-06-19 07:03:53 PM  

Sticky Hands: DysphoricMania: Something I have to wonder about is if people are stocking up, does that not mean you are out just that much more money should the government decide to take the guns away? I don't foresee it happening, but if it ever did the financials do not make sense to me.

Lets assume that tomorrow all gun ownership as banned. Do you really expect to be able to do anything but turn them over? I don't care how well armed you are, or how many weapons, or how much ammo you have. You can only shoot so much before they take you out. And if the military is used to enforce the ban... No matter how well trained and how well armed you are, you are not going to outlast them. I mean if it comes down to it, they'll just send a tank to flatten your house.

I fully support gun ownership for the purposes of self defense, for hunting, as well as target shooting. But honestly, if you have dreams of the final scene of Rambo or something... You might want to rethink the plan.

The last few wars should have taught you otherwise.
Sure, any individual is no match for a full military, but for every house that gets flattened, how many gun owners move against you? Taking out a nut or two with too many guns is easy.

90 million on the other hand....

Quantity has a quality all its own.


Not only that, but a lot of the members of the military might have a few qualms about moving against their own countrymen. A lot of them are the same people that are stockpiling this stuff.
 
2012-06-19 07:03:58 PM  

Shaggy_C: Slutbucket: Argument: would US troops fire on their fellow countrymen, friends family? Highly unlikely.

It's happened time and again in American history. Just look at the way the police treated the "Occupiers" last year.

There's no such thing as a popular uprising defeating an incumbent government backed by the military without some kind of outside assistance.


The French did it.
 
2012-06-19 07:04:18 PM  

DreamSnipers: I haven't seen anyone mention this yet. There is a large number of people out there who think the Mayan Apocalypse is coming soon. And they are stocking up.


That makes no sense. If the world ends, what does it matter if you have guns or a sh*t ton of silly putty? It is ending. As in 'no more world. No more people.'
 
2012-06-19 07:04:42 PM  
gimme back my bollocks?
 
2012-06-19 07:06:09 PM  

CoolHandLucas: Yup, peaceful protest worked in Libya and Egypt...those governments fell without bloodshed. Working well in Syria now, too...

If the last 11 years have taught us anything with regards to conflict, it should be that asymmetric warfare is QUITE effective at harassing and inflicting damage & casualties on a larger, better equipped, more technologically advanced force.


Libya was overthrown thanks to the outside assistance of NATO. Egypt overthrew their tryrannical dictator because the military joined their side instead of fighting against them. In Syria, you are seeing what happens when a populace tries to fight a much more powerful entrenched government with military backing. It's a massacre. Just look at the state of the Palestinians if you want to see what "armed rebels" can accomplish when fighting against a major military government. How long have the Israelis been oppressing them? 60 years without an end in sight? Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2012-06-19 07:07:54 PM  

DysphoricMania: Welfare Xmas: Corporate Self: Gun owners should be required to serve in the National Guard which is the evolution of the Militia.

Welfare recipients should be required to serve on road cleanup crews it would be the equivalent of having a job.

//just stirr'n the pudding

Well why we're at it, why not have the government pay tuition for -qualified- students to attend college? If they drop out prior to getting the degree, they have to pay that back. Those that graduate will work for the government in the field their degree is in for a period of say one year for every year of school. An additional benefit would be giving that new grad actual work experience to go with the degree. But make it an optional program, so that if someone didn't want the after-grad obligation, they find their own funding like it is now.


Huh.

Neat idea, actually.
 
2012-06-19 07:09:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I know this isn't an NRA thread per se, but...

F*CK THE NRA


This...

The NRA is to gun owners
as
PETA is to animal lovers.

I love guns and I own animals...er...I own guns and I love animals...er both...but i would never belong to either of those whack job organizations.
 
2012-06-19 07:14:35 PM  

12349876: Peaceful protest is what will get other nations and military defectors on your side.


It wasn't peaceful protest that got NATO involved in Lybia.
 
2012-06-19 07:16:12 PM  

AdamK: i'm not a gun owner

that said if society collapses, i'm buying beer and steak for all the local gun hoarders


I rather have beer, cigarettes, and coffee. Do you realize how pissy people get without their coffee, beer and smokes?
 
2012-06-19 07:16:39 PM  

Pitabred: Not only that, but a lot of the members of the military might have a few qualms about moving against their own countrymen. A lot of them are the same people that are stockpiling this stuff.


Many will, many won't

Typically what governments do is send rural units to the cities,city units to rural areas and generally exploit regional tensions.

Some northerners might be a-ok with shooting rednecks, and the Alabama Jim might not feel too bad about popping some Yankees. Maybe some Californians want payback on the mountain states for a bad skiing year. Just point the Texans at someone and whisper "That feller said 'Texas sucks'".
 
2012-06-19 07:19:38 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Lionel Mandrake: I know this isn't an NRA thread per se, but...

F*CK THE NRA

This...

The NRA is to gun owners
as
PETA is to animal lovers.

I love guns and I own animals...er...I own guns and I love animals...er both...but i would never belong to either of those whack job organizations.


That is a pretty darn good analogy.
 
2012-06-19 07:22:33 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Maechyll: StoPPeRmobile: Used to work on these

OK, whazzat?

Looks almost like the gatling gun on an A-10, but it looks too small.

Close. 20mm M61 Vulcan, if I'm not mistaken.


Ding ding ding!
 
2012-06-19 07:23:37 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: There is a local Gun & Pawn shop that's been running ads on the radio as to how gun sales rose last year at election time and how it's happening again. And how we need to 'Send a message about how serious Americans are about their 2nd amendment rights'
Dude is a total nut.

/his tag line is 'Faith, Family, Firearms. It's the American way'
//Living in GA, the majority probably agree with him.


Not nessessarily a nut. He could be trying to sell his guns to nuts.

A nutwhore, if you will.
 
2012-06-19 07:24:03 PM  

netweavr: The French did it.


The French Guard were involved in the storming of the Bastille, ffs.
 
2012-06-19 07:29:58 PM  

12349876: Welfare Xmas: Been stocking up for about 2 years now. Mostly 12 Ga 00 Buckshot, .223/5.56, 45ACP and 22 LR. Also non-hybridized seeds, food and water.

When it all goes Greece I want to be prepared.

To get your house blown up by a tank or rocket launcher.


I thought tanks weren't particularly useful against an insurgency. Or does that only count if the insurgents are brown people?

/You don't have to be able to win, you just have to make it too expensive for them to try.
 
2012-06-19 07:31:13 PM  

jaybeezey: browntimmy: umad: mytdawg: For being armed to the teeth, gun owners sure are a bunch of pussies.

Right, it is the gun owners that are pussies, not the people who get the vapors and rant like it is the end of the farking world because some people are buying bullets.

Let's go around the circle again, ask yourself why people are stocking up on bullets now and back in '08. Answer: They're simple-minded and easily mislead. Is that the type of person you normally trust with a dangerous weapon?

It's probably a bunch of crazy right wingers killing all those people in Chicago night after night! You can't trust an Illinois cracker for nothing.

Who's committing gun crime? A republican with 500rds in his basement or a democrat with 16rds in a glock?


An accurate breakdown of who commits what kinds of gun crime would be complicated and boring, and wouldn't support anyone's knee-jerk positions, so let's not do it.
Facts spoil fun.
 
2012-06-19 07:34:10 PM  

cig-mkr: AdamK: i'm not a gun owner

that said if society collapses, i'm buying beer and steak for all the local gun hoarders

I rather have beer, cigarettes, and coffee. Do you realize how pissy people get without their coffee, beer and smokes?


true that, time to start brewing my own beer and hoarding coffee beans

not too worried about the tobacco supply, i live in Tennessee after all
 
2012-06-19 07:38:09 PM  

o5iiawah: ChipNASA: Excuse me while I interrupt this thread....

[i303.photobucket.com image 434x368]

Anyone else notice the incredibly unsafe grip? Get yer booger hook off the bang lever, sweetheart.


Your ghey is showing.

NTTAWWT.
 
2012-06-19 07:39:01 PM  

dittybopper: /You don't have to be able to win, you just have to make it too expensive for them to try.


Exactly, the whole red herring question of "SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DEFEAT THE US MILITARY" is bullshiat. The idea is to make the initial movement to subdue the population so full of risk that it isn't tried.
 
2012-06-19 07:39:03 PM  
I just do not get this American obsession with gun ownership, and guns in general.

Do you need them to safeguard your constitutional rights? No. No other western democracy needs this to maintain their stability. If anything, well-armed citizen militias have generally been to the detriment of democracy (examples from both the left and right of politics).

Do you need them to safeguard your house? No. Look at break and enter rates internationally and see how it matches gun-ownership. If anything, high levels of gun ownership seems to be a good indication of lawlessness and a breakdown of civil society, not a guarantee of it. Also, the chances of an aggravated assault inside your house are much much much less than the chances of the gun in the house being used to kill a family member. Statistically, your family is safer without a gun in the house. A gun is 22 times more likely to kill someone you know rather than used in self-defence.

Do you need to open carry/conceal carry for your own personal safety? No (unless you've received clear and specific threats). You just look like a scared little man, and not the rugged, independent, armed and ready frontier-spirited man you think you are. And it's a big FU to all the other citizens that would prefer to live in a civil society without dangerous weapons.

Is it cool to shoot guns in a sporting club or while hunting? Hell yes. It's relaxing on a range, it's good to get outdoors, and there's a great sense of satisfaction when you see your skill improve. My Dad taught me how to shoot, how to enjoy shooting, how to hunt, and the basic wilderness survival skills. To me, hunting is like fishing, except you get to move around more, and you eat red meat at the end. But keep them locked up and stored safely so your kids don't hurt themselves with them, and no one can use them when they're pissed off at something.

And generally, active members of sporting clubs and associations (and working farmers, etc) are not restricted in their ability to buy guns and ammo.
 
2012-06-19 07:41:10 PM  

ansius: detriment of democracy


Damned straight, pure democracy is the tyranny of the majority. The US is supposed to be a democratic republic not a democracy.
 
2012-06-19 07:42:27 PM  
For those wondering about "stocking up" and the potential for losing it all the reason it makes sense (ok not really but in the context of assuming this is true) is that the government has never really outlawed any firearms, only outlawed the new sales of them. Any time a gun law comes in to play, it only affects stuff after the ban. So like in 1986 the government prohibited transfers of any new fully automatic weapons to civilians. Previously that was legal under the NFA, it was a pain with hoops to jump thorough and a $200 tax to pay, but legal. However that only applies to new ones. All automatic weapons already in civilian hands at that point can be sold and resold, so long as the particulars of the NFA are obeyed. Same shiat with other gun laws.

Hence the idea of "stocking up". It is likely that were there a new gun law, it would be the same way. Reason is that if they banned them and declared old weapons were to be seized, not only would it cost a lot more (they'd have to pay for it, since the Constitution requires compensation for property taken) but it would be much more likely to get struck down as a 2nd amendment violation.
 
2012-06-19 07:43:37 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: You know if the NRA didn't have so many people scared shiatless about how the government was going "take yer guns away", then maybe those same people wouldn't put such a high demand on the ammo market and prices could come down a little.


Never had a problem with


i478.photobucket.com


Cheap and bulk at Cabela's.
 
2012-06-19 07:44:39 PM  

AdamK: cig-mkr: AdamK: i'm not a gun owner

that said if society collapses, i'm buying beer and steak for all the local gun hoarders

I rather have beer, cigarettes, and coffee. Do you realize how pissy people get without their coffee, beer and smokes?

true that, time to start brewing my own beer and hoarding coffee beans

not too worried about the tobacco supply, i live in Tennessee after all


Still might wanna get a fistfull of 'bacca seeds. A hand full will grow acres.
 
2012-06-19 07:44:55 PM  

12349876: Welfare Xmas: 12349876: To get your house blown up by a tank or rocket launcher.

Yes that was my exact thought. I guess I'll just go with what ever the government decides to do with me. No matter how tyrannical.

That's what the ballot box and peaceful protest is for. With everything from nuclear weapons and drones in our militaries now, you might as well shoot yourself with your shotgun rather than fight an army with it if things get that bad. Peaceful protest is what will get other nations and military defectors on your side.


Nuclear weapons? Please.

Also, it's one thing to shoot a Hellfire at a guy you don't know from half a World away. It's quite another thing to do it to a guy whose relatives might get pissed and decide to shoot your wife from 200 yards away with their deer rifle as she comes out of the grocery store.

Like I've pointed out many a time, you don't have to be able to win. The fact that a large fraction of the adult population in the US is armed acts as a brake against that sort of behavior in the first place. If you look at many of the popular insurgencies and resistance movements that have "won", they didn't win major battles. They just made it very expensive to keep fighting, until they essentially wore out the opposition.
 
2012-06-19 07:46:23 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Fish in a Barrel: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Maechyll: StoPPeRmobile: Used to work on these

OK, whazzat?

Looks almost like the gatling gun on an A-10, but it looks too small.

Close. 20mm M61 Vulcan, if I'm not mistaken.

Ding ding ding!


I was a 27F in my Army days. I worked on both the APC mounted and towed versions over the years. The PIVAD upgrade was coming out when I joined, was one of the last classes to not be trained on it before headed to my first duty station.
 
2012-06-19 07:49:58 PM  

Welfare Xmas: ansius: detriment of democracy

Damned straight, pure democracy is the tyranny of the majority. The US is supposed to be a democratic republic not a democracy.


Democracy can work if everyone works on a farm. For a while anyway.

Look at the fall of Greece.

Next come the tyrant.
 
2012-06-19 07:52:33 PM  
this is what i have....
4 of these:
2.bp.blogspot.com
+1200 rounds ammo

2 of these:
ts2.mm.bing.net
+ 900 rounds ammo

this:
www.ted-kyte.com
+ 150 round ammo

several varieties of these:
2.bp.blogspot.com
+500 rounds ammo

this:
www.vanceoutdoors.com
+ 5000 rounds ammo (its a 22)

and a pair of these (not engraved though):
www.strangecosmos.com

and several other plain ol' guns
bring it on!!!!
 
2012-06-19 07:54:48 PM  

ansius: I just do not get this American obsession with gun ownership, and guns in general.

Do you need them to safeguard your constitutional rights? No. No other western democracy needs this to maintain their stability. If anything, well-armed citizen militias have generally been to the detriment of democracy (examples from both the left and right of politics).

Do you need them to safeguard your house? No. Look at break and enter rates internationally and see how it matches gun-ownership. If anything, high levels of gun ownership seems to be a good indication of lawlessness and a breakdown of civil society, not a guarantee of it. Also, the chances of an aggravated assault inside your house are much much much less than the chances of the gun in the house being used to kill a family member. Statistically, your family is safer without a gun in the house. A gun is 22 times more likely to kill someone you know rather than used in self-defence.

Do you need to open carry/conceal carry for your own personal safety? No (unless you've received clear and specific threats). You just look like a scared little man, and not the rugged, independent, armed and ready frontier-spirited man you think you are. And it's a big FU to all the other citizens that would prefer to live in a civil society without dangerous weapons.

Is it cool to shoot guns in a sporting club or while hunting? Hell yes. It's relaxing on a range, it's good to get outdoors, and there's a great sense of satisfaction when you see your skill improve. My Dad taught me how to shoot, how to enjoy shooting, how to hunt, and the basic wilderness survival skills. To me, hunting is like fishing, except you get to move around more, and you eat red meat at the end. But keep them locked up and stored safely so your kids don't hurt themselves with them, and no one can use them when they're pissed off at something.

And generally, active members of sporting clubs and associations (and working farmers, etc) are not restricted in thei ...


Hmm, please tell us oh enlightened one, what exactly does the CCW do to brag how "tough" they are or the opposite if you choose? I think you might want to look up CONCEAL in the dictionary. I don't have my CCW license yet, but I have had pistols pulled on me or brandished more than once already. Every time it happened, I have not been acting like I am some rugged frontiersman. Then again, I have taken the pistol away from 2 of the tough guys who had them, the other one ran away when I mentioned that he better be able to shoot that .22 faster than I can shove it down his throat.

If I had my CCW in any of those times, the end result would have been the same. I knew full well that all three times I had at most a 10% chance of actually being shot.

The majority of CCW holders, do not think they are Rambo. The last thing they want is to have to pull the trigger. The folks that need to carry to feel like a tough guy are the folks that you LEAST want to actually have a gun (certain person in news currently).
 
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