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2012-06-19 04:48:01 PM

Nadie_AZ: Welfare Xmas: Nadie_AZ: Hops? Do you homebrew as well?

Yes but hops are also good to eat as greens. They give a good bitterness to salads.

Huh. I didn't know that. That's pretty cool.


Might give bitterness to salads, but salads dont' taste like beer (or achieve the same results).

(Brewed a 60-minute IPA on outside Sunday for Father's Day. Can't wait to keg it!)
 
2012-06-19 04:48:08 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Dr Dreidel: I'm specifically looking for a .40 - a big enough weapon that fits in my huge hands

This will probably be my next automatic purchase.


What do you think about the Beretta Px4?
 
2012-06-19 04:49:15 PM

boozehat: Strum, Ruger & Co (RGR) went from $30 -> almost $60


Ruger also died and they started selling highcapacity mags for their guns and put out an AR so some people forgave him for his asinine statements regarding "assault weapons."
 
2012-06-19 04:49:51 PM
Oh, and this Department of Homeland Purifica....uh..Security purchase of 450M bullets? They're just trying to get stocked up before the prices go through the roof. They heard that Obama's going to take all the guns.


Oh, they're HOLLLLOOOOWWW POINTS. X-Tra Spooky. You need a special permit and license and training and helmet to use hollow points, don't you?
 
2012-06-19 04:50:10 PM

boozehat: Might give bitterness to salads, but salads dont' taste like beer (or achieve the same results).

(Brewed a 60-minute IPA on outside Sunday for Father's Day. Can't wait to keg it!)


I'm not going to argue. But I love the smell and taste of fresh hops almost as much as I like the smell of wort or the taste of a good beer.
 
2012-06-19 04:50:25 PM
Sure sure, having possession of gold or silver metal in hand (RON PAUL!) might help you during a financial meltdown, or minor civil chaos.

But come a Zombie Apocalypse, ammo would probably be preferred to precious metals for purposes of trade.

Stock up now.

/Plus you don't have to worry about Goldline trying to shift you into collectable coins instead of bullion
//How would one make change in 22LR when paying with 12 Gage 00 Buck?
 
2012-06-19 04:50:53 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I know this isn't an NRA thread per se, but...

F*CK THE NRA


I agree.

/gun owner
 
2012-06-19 04:51:42 PM

jso2897: Ned Stark: OneBrightMonkey: This issue is going to get really fun in about 70 years when shoulder mounted thermonuclear launchers and handheld laser vaporizers are on the market.

Liberals like me will be in coffee shops waxing on about how the founders would have been totally fine with AK47s with extended banana clips, but they never expected the second amendment to cover pocket sized predator drones.

What a horrifying future. Liberalism still around in 70 years.....

There will always be relative political positions - all that shifts is the landscape of issues, and the cyclic swing of public opinion.
In 70 years, we'll just be arguing about different stuff, like terrestrial/extraterrestrial marriage, or some shiat.


Should make the Ms. Universe pageant interesting. Or at least the Maury show.
 
2012-06-19 04:51:54 PM

James F. Campbell: Personally, I support Americans buying guns. The more guns there are, the more Americans that die by guns each year. You are the architects of your own demises.


Your assertion appears to be contradicted by actual reality. Are you able to explain this apparent discrepancy?
 
2012-06-19 04:52:34 PM
If people buy a lot of ammunition and stick in the basement, who cares? I see "amusing," but "scary"? There may be paranoia here, but it seems that there's plenty to go around...
 
2012-06-19 04:52:50 PM

dittybopper: Quite the opposite: It seems that an increase in the number of guns has led to a decrease in the rate of gun deaths


You are deriving causation from correlation without justification.
 
2012-06-19 04:53:32 PM

J. Frank Parnell: [boourns.cjb.net image 600x450]

/obligatory


I have at least 3 of the guns in the picture! woooo
 
2012-06-19 04:54:52 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Sure sure, having possession of gold or silver metal in hand


Gold/silver is a ridiculous investment if you plan to use it a money during a financial melt down. Are you really going to spend $1600 for a ounce of gold and then use that same ounce of gold to buy a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread. You'd have to be and idiot to think this was a good idea. What you need is to identify items that are currently reasonably priced that will be scarce during a melt down, like toilet paper, 22 LR ammo, seeds etc.that can be used for barter.
 
2012-06-19 04:55:57 PM

Dimensio: Are you able to explain this apparent discrepancy?


I've got $20 on "NO"
 
2012-06-19 04:57:32 PM

manimal2878: boozehat: Strum, Ruger & Co (RGR) went from $30 -> almost $60

Ruger also died and they started selling highcapacity mags for their guns and put out an AR so some people forgave him for his asinine statements regarding "assault weapons."


The Ruger 25-round mag's are MUCH higher quality than the buttler creek crap, and they're the same price.

I could personally care less that some company founder 100 years ago said "no one needs more than 10 rounds".... reloading over and over and over again is a pain in the nuts, even with an auto loader.

And so they made an AR? Who cares? They're staying competitive in the market place.

If anyone made a ton of cool mod's to the Mini platform, that would probably have helped, but options are limited there.

So I guess you're totally out for product advancement, and keeping up with market demands. Bravo.
 
2012-06-19 04:57:37 PM

Welfare Xmas: Vlad_the_Inaner: Sure sure, having possession of gold or silver metal in hand

Gold/silver is a ridiculous investment if you plan to use it a money during a financial melt down. Are you really going to spend $1600 for a ounce of gold and then use that same ounce of gold to buy a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread. You'd have to be and idiot to think this was a good idea. What you need is to identify items that are currently reasonably priced that will be scarce during a melt down, like toilet paper, 22 LR ammo, seeds etc.that can be used for barter.


I'm stocking up on old fashioned porn mags.

...and I don't even believe there is a societal meltdown coming.
 
2012-06-19 04:58:02 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: i.r.id10t: I've been stockpiling 22, simply because that is what I shoot mostly. Still have most of the 45 and 7.62x51 I bought 5 years ago, simply because I don't shoot the centerfire a lot.

Why stock up on the 22? Because I couldn't find any to buy during 2009. And I've got a new GSG-1911-22 and a 22 conversion on the way for my FAL.



Could you post a link for the .22 conversion for the FAL? I'm picking up one in about 2 weeks. Brother has a friend who's selling it for $250.

Also GSG is supposed to release a .22 version of a STG 44...

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 540x405]

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 540x405]


You can either get an original HK made one on the various auction boards for $1500 (when you can find one) or you can get in on the group buy going on on the falfiles.com forums
 
2012-06-19 04:58:59 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: fark all you (followed by hysterical rant)


Today's heart attack risk candidate.
 
2012-06-19 04:59:23 PM

Sticky Hands: I'm stocking up on old fashioned porn mags.


I don't think anybody wants used porn especially if the guy you're buying from is named Stick Hands.
 
2012-06-19 04:59:39 PM

KeithLM: Dr Dreidel:
I'm specifically looking for a .40 - a big enough weapon that fits in my huge hands, but a small enough caliber that the recoil's not as bad. The slide on the .45 (M1911), probably because of how I had to hold it, ended up irritating the spot in between my thumb and index finger on my right hand with each shot.

I'm not as concerned about ammo once I own the thing, but now that I don't, I wanted to know how much extra I was paying for ammo. I thought the one-time costs of gun+rounds+supplies looks scary, but it seems as though it's the purchase price of the weapon itself that's prohibitively expensive for me.

I did use my friend's grandfather's WWII service-issue .45. Really spooky firing a jenn-yoo-wine Nazi killer.

// I don't know that it actually shot at Nazis, as ...

You were either doing something terribly wrong, or it was the hammer, not the slide, that was hitting you. This is known as hammer bite with the 1911. Look at modern 1911's, they have better protection from the hammer in the form of a longer grip safety spur. Also, in my opinion, .45 recoil is easier to handle than .40. Just something to consider.


You're probably right, but I don't have hi-speed camera footage of what was happening. The part of my trigger hand that sits behind the hammer and slide was sore and red after a box of .45, and from what I recall, the only other time that happened was with a 9mm (Glock 22?).

.45 recoil was a bit of "WTF?", whereas the .40 was less kick-y. I also (I have no idea if this was the weapon, a good day, or what) was able to group my shots better with the .40. As a matter of fact, my best "grouping" days were with the .40 and a .38 revolver (whose brand/build escapes me for the moment).
 
2012-06-19 04:59:55 PM
Mrs. JailhouseFistfark and I are stockpiling bourbon. It's trade-goods that get you through the lean times, and nothing trades like liquor.

And if the lean times don't come, we've got plenty of hooch.
 
2012-06-19 05:01:50 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Mrs. JailhouseFistfark and I are stockpiling bourbon. It's trade-goods that get you through the lean times, and nothing trades like liquor.

And if the lean times don't come, we've got plenty of hooch.


You might want to consider a moderate supply of copper tubing, sugar and some specialized yeast. Just a thought.
 
2012-06-19 05:06:41 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Not really sure what the point of .40 is. If I want something that kicks, I'll use the .45; if I want ammo capacity, I'll use a 9mm. ;-)


Recommendation from a State Trooper friend. They went from the .45 to the 9mm and it just didn't do what it needed to at times so they went with the .357 Sig. Nice piece, really good round but expensive no matter how you sliced it.

Welfare Xmas: What do you think about the Beretta Px4?


Never looked into them...now I think I might have to look a little closer. Thanks for the tip!
 
2012-06-19 05:07:20 PM

umad: mytdawg: For being armed to the teeth, gun owners sure are a bunch of pussies.

Right, it is the gun owners that are pussies, not the people who get the vapors and rant like it is the end of the farking world because some people are buying bullets.


Let's go around the circle again, ask yourself why people are stocking up on bullets now and back in '08. Answer: They're simple-minded and easily mislead. Is that the type of person you normally trust with a dangerous weapon?
 
2012-06-19 05:09:46 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Oh, and this Department of Homeland Purifica....uh..Security purchase of 450M bullets? They're just trying to get stocked up before the prices go through the roof. They heard that Obama's going to take all the guns.


Oh, they're HOLLLLOOOOWWW POINTS. X-Tra Spooky. You need a special permit and license and training and helmet to use hollow points, don't you?


I have been informed that hollow-point ammunition features increased armour penetration capability.
 
2012-06-19 05:11:14 PM

browntimmy: Let's go around the circle again, ask yourself why people are stocking up on bullets now and back in '08. Answer: They're simple-minded and easily misleadThen can look around and see the many examples around the world and realize that the people running the world are idiots and are borrowing so much imaginary printed wealth that the economy is likely to collapse.

Is that the type of person you normally trust with a dangerous weapon?


Yes it is.
 
2012-06-19 05:11:46 PM

Limac333: Lionel Mandrake: I know this isn't an NRA thread per se, but...

F*CK THE NRA

As a gun owner, this bears repeating.


THIS. I've had to stop supporting and contributing to many pro-second amendment groups because they universally embrace the worst of right-wing partisan politics. They can't wrap their head around the possibility that someone might agree with them on gun rights and disagree with them on marriage rights. Or that non-Christians like guns, too.
 
2012-06-19 05:11:46 PM

browntimmy:
Let's go around the circle again, ask yourself why people are stocking up on bullets now and back in '08. Answer: They're simple-minded and easily mislead. Is that the type of person you normally trust with a dangerous weapon?


Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllleeeeeeeeeee, I don't know!

www.israellycool.com
 
2012-06-19 05:13:42 PM

OneBrightMonkey: This issue is going to get really fun in about 70 years when shoulder mounted thermonuclear launchers and handheld laser vaporizers are on the market.

Liberals like me will be in coffee shops waxing on about how the founders would have been totally fine with AK47s with extended banana clips, but they never expected the second amendment to cover pocket sized predator drones.


You'll take my Little Doctor when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
 
2012-06-19 05:14:28 PM

Dimensio: AngryJailhouseFistfark: Oh, and this Department of Homeland Purifica....uh..Security purchase of 450M bullets? They're just trying to get stocked up before the prices go through the roof. They heard that Obama's going to take all the guns.


Oh, they're HOLLLLOOOOWWW POINTS. X-Tra Spooky. You need a special permit and license and training and helmet to use hollow points, don't you?

I have been informed that hollow-point ammunition features increased armour penetration capability.


And kills cops on contact when combined with Teflon™.
 
2012-06-19 05:14:56 PM

Dimensio: AngryJailhouseFistfark: Oh, and this Department of Homeland Purifica....uh..Security purchase of 450M bullets? They're just trying to get stocked up before the prices go through the roof. They heard that Obama's going to take all the guns.


Oh, they're HOLLLLOOOOWWW POINTS. X-Tra Spooky. You need a special permit and license and training and helmet to use hollow points, don't you?

I have been informed that hollow-point ammunition features increased armour penetration capability.


That's only when fired from weapons that have the shoulder thing that goes up.
 
2012-06-19 05:15:59 PM
The friendly FedEx dude just brought me a box full of ammo. Suck it you farking Hoplophobes.
 
2012-06-19 05:16:54 PM
Wow, 273 posts and this thread hasn't turned into gun porn yet? Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2012-06-19 05:20:50 PM
Someone post up the fat hairy guy in the speedo showing off his arsenal and bare belly. QUICK!
 
2012-06-19 05:21:04 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: cig-mkr: Got one of these for the wife, no hammer to get caught when coming out of the purse, won't jam, had the trigger reworked for easy pulling.

Love it! Been wanting to get one for my wife and maybe another for me. Did you get .38+P or got .357?

I bought a S&W Sigma as a price point piece despite the negative bad press on the trigger. I really kind of like it. It doesn't speak unless I say speak.


Bought the .38, love the "airweight" frame, it's light. alike I said I had the trigger reworked, the pull was just too hard for the wife.
 
2012-06-19 05:21:36 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Fish in a Barrel: Not really sure what the point of .40 is. If I want something that kicks, I'll use the .45; if I want ammo capacity, I'll use a 9mm. ;-)

Recommendation from a State Trooper friend. They went from the .45 to the 9mm and it just didn't do what it needed to at times so they went with the .357 Sig. Nice piece, really good round but expensive no matter how you sliced it.

Welfare Xmas: What do you think about the Beretta Px4?

Never looked into them...now I think I might have to look a little closer. Thanks for the tip!


Nobody really uses the .357 sig outside of those that have the government paying for it do they?

My recommendation is a springfield armory xd in 9mm, .40, or .45, or a glock in the same calibers.

I have heard the Berretta is ok, but have not used one. I personally use 9mm.
 
2012-06-19 05:22:23 PM
Oh, how I wish the two were correlated.
 
2012-06-19 05:23:26 PM

boozehat: reloading over and over and over again is a pain in the nuts, even with an auto loader.


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I concur.
 
2012-06-19 05:25:01 PM

manimal2878: Nobody really uses the .357 sig outside of those that have the government paying for it do they?


I really don't know of anyone outside of law enforcement that has one.
 
2012-06-19 05:25:21 PM

Callous: Treygreen13: Is this the Followup thread to the "GUN NUTS ARE GOING TO KILL OBAMA" thread we got in '08? And in '09? And in '10? And in '11?

I always chuckle when people think it's some kind of sign of some political movement when the weather gets warm and ammo sales goes up.

I guess more people at the range should alarm me. It must be a result of NRA propaganda and racist Obama hatred and has nothing to do with the nice weather and the cold and rainy months being over.


How do you read the Internet with your head in the sand like that?
 
2012-06-19 05:28:01 PM

dittybopper: This has been said many times in the past, and every time someone points out that they endorse Democrats also, even at the national level and sometimes to the chagrin of the Republicans, the answer is always a sputtering "but, but, but...."

They only care about one single issue: Guns.



That was true 10 years ago, which is why I used to support them. Over the past few years they've become increasingly vocal on other right-wing social causes, which is why I cannot in good conscience continue to support them. About the only pro-RTKBA group that doesn't make my stomach turn with right wing derp is Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, and I'm not Jewish.

They were never a truly non-partisian single-issue lobby and have always leaned heavily to the right, but since Obama was elected they've become blatantly and unapologetically partisan.
 
2012-06-19 05:28:20 PM
Department of Homeland Security ordered 450 million rounds, subster. Whaddayasay about that?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-28/news/31247765_1_atk-ro u nds-bullet
 
2012-06-19 05:29:21 PM
We can't pass common sense tax reform that both sides agree is necessary. We can't confirm the nomination of the embassador to El Salvador. What makes any of these people think the President could do anything to the 2nd Amendment that Scalia and his boys wouldn't immediately strike down?
 
2012-06-19 05:29:44 PM

manimal2878: I personally use 9mm.


I did a lot of research on 9mm vs. 40 vs 45:

9mm recoil makes it easier to shot accurately and rapidly, ballistics (terminal energy into target) are okay
45 recoil is ugly but I'm still able to be accurate and fire fairly quickly. ballistics are excellent
40 recoil is somewhere between 9 and 45 great accuracy/rate of fire. ballistics are very nearly equal to 45

Winner 40 (although I still don't own one, do own 9mm and 45)

Planning on buying a 40 in the near future.
 
2012-06-19 05:30:07 PM
Farking assholes.... I got lucky last time. The gun show came in April and I bought 700 rounds for my SKS. About a year later, I needed ammo for my .45, since I had traveled to AZ, intending to go shooting while I was down there, but forgot my ammo. The shiat was sold out everywhere, or if it was in stock, it was marked up 50% or more(Usually more). Everything was sold out, we even stopped by WalMart, and they actually had empty shelves in the ammo section completely empty.

Why? Because some asshats spread false bullshiat rumors, no other reason.

Fark you panicky motherfarkers, it took until last year before ammo prices were back down to normal. Not a single reason for the price to go up, except that a bunch of people pissed their pants at the thought of a Democratic President.
 
2012-06-19 05:31:48 PM

Dr Dreidel: Sheeeeeeit. 20 boxes of .45 ammo at the range (I know I'm getting hosed on price) would be $660. I'm guessing you get some sort of volume discount (I'm pretty sure they come in boxes bigger than 50 rounds) and a better price


Pfft. Amateurs. When you stop buying ammo in 20 and 25 round boxes, and start buying ammo in 1000 and 1440 round cases, you will start getting much better pricing.
 
2012-06-19 05:31:48 PM

boozehat: Nadie_AZ: Welfare Xmas: Nadie_AZ: Hops? Do you homebrew as well?

Yes but hops are also good to eat as greens. They give a good bitterness to salads.

Huh. I didn't know that. That's pretty cool.

Might give bitterness to salads, but salads dont' taste like beer (or achieve the same results).

(Brewed a 60-minute IPA on outside Sunday for Father's Day. Can't wait to keg it!)


They are also a natural astringent

/remember homebrewers, hops are VERY poisonous to dogs
//they are also in the same family as weed
 
2012-06-19 05:32:23 PM
Fleshlight sales to basement dwelling lard asses is skyrocketing too. I blame Obama.

/this thread went from post to wonk in near record time
 
2012-06-19 05:33:37 PM

manimal2878: Dancin_In_Anson: Fish in a Barrel: Not really sure what the point of .40 is. If I want something that kicks, I'll use the .45; if I want ammo capacity, I'll use a 9mm. ;-)

Recommendation from a State Trooper friend. They went from the .45 to the 9mm and it just didn't do what it needed to at times so they went with the .357 Sig. Nice piece, really good round but expensive no matter how you sliced it.

Welfare Xmas: What do you think about the Beretta Px4?

Never looked into them...now I think I might have to look a little closer. Thanks for the tip!

Nobody really uses the .357 sig outside of those that have the government paying for it do they?

My recommendation is a springfield armory xd in 9mm, .40, or .45, or a glock in the same calibers.

I have heard the Berretta is ok, but have not used one. I personally use 9mm.


I bought the Ruger P 95 after reading in Guns & Ammo that they shot 15 thousand rounds and not a single jam.
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gun porn
 
2012-06-19 05:34:25 PM
Something I have to wonder about is if people are stocking up, does that not mean you are out just that much more money should the government decide to take the guns away? I don't foresee it happening, but if it ever did the financials do not make sense to me.

Lets assume that tomorrow all gun ownership as banned. Do you really expect to be able to do anything but turn them over? I don't care how well armed you are, or how many weapons, or how much ammo you have. You can only shoot so much before they take you out. And if the military is used to enforce the ban... No matter how well trained and how well armed you are, you are not going to outlast them. I mean if it comes down to it, they'll just send a tank to flatten your house.

I fully support gun ownership for the purposes of self defense, for hunting, as well as target shooting. But honestly, if you have dreams of the final scene of Rambo or something... You might want to rethink the plan.
 
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