MFL: HotWingConspiracy Still a bit ass chapped over losing that one, eh?

umm.....


a. It's about to be deemed unconstitutional. - Is that you, Ginny Thomas?
b. The majority of the country doesn't want it. - Doesn't want it, or doesn't want "Obamacare"? Do me a favor and search for the plethora of articles breaking down what's actually *in* the bill, and polling THAT. Looky here, seems about 60% of Americans like it. Weird.
c. The GOP is back from the dead. - No, it just looks that way. Bath salts are a helluva drug.
b. Obama's presidency is almost over. - Yup. Whether it's .5 years from now or 4.5 years. That's between 1.6% and 15% of my lifespan to this point. Astronomically, his presidency won't even have happened.

Joe Blowme: TrollingForColumbine: Here is a document where W. Bush establishes enforcement priorities and other policies of immigration law. This was done without congresses consent. NOW STFU

But mommy! Billy did it too!!!!!

Romney promises to do many executive orders on hie first day. Are you complaining about that also?

sid2112: Of the myriad of responses I got from my post, this is the only one that didn't either outright lie or blame a republican

what about my response, where I pointed out that you are wrong about their having been an executive order

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: That really is an idiotic statement.

Just because some traffic violations are misdemeanors does not mean that all misdemeanors are only traffic violations (theft and assault are also misdemeanors).

Right. Hence what the "serious misdemeanors" part of the directive is for.

Good. Glad you're coming with me on that one.

Nope. You are missing the point.

Misdemeanors are often plea bargained down (nice try not including that comment I wrote).

Secondly, there is NO standard for what "serious" is. So it is all discretion.

If you want clarity, then it should be no criminal record. Period.

The point of all of this, is that this detail is left out of coverage on this topic and even Bloomberg describes it as "no criminal record". So there really is no telling how people would poll if they knew that that was a lie.

People showed you were lying. Stop trying to redefine what you said. People don't usually consider low misdemeanor "a criminal record"!

So you are saying having a parking ticket is a "criminal record"? Stop trying to be an ass and play the semantics game.

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: That really is an idiotic statement.

Just because some traffic violations are misdemeanors does not mean that all misdemeanors are only traffic violations (theft and assault are also misdemeanors).

Right. Hence what the "serious misdemeanors" part of the directive is for.

Good. Glad you're coming with me on that one.

Nope. You are missing the point.

Misdemeanors are often plea bargained down (nice try not including that comment I wrote).

Secondly, there is NO standard for what "serious" is. So it is all discretion.

If you want clarity, then it should be no criminal record. Period.

The point of all of this, is that this detail is left out of coverage on this topic and even Bloomberg describes it as "no criminal record". So there really is no telling how people would poll if they knew that that was a lie.

Isn't their some navy SEALs you can protest for killing in cold blood your hero Osama Bin Laden while he was trying to give up and they executed him like you were telling us in that previous thread?

sid2112: Lost Thought 00: sid2112: It still needs to be done legally and through compromise.

The President has the power to issue executive orders to clarify points which are not explicitly enumerated in law. Obama's executive order falls cleanly within such a vagary left open in congress by structuring this as a re-prioritization of prosecution. In theory, Congress could allocate enough budget to allow all the open cases to be prosecuted immediately, thereby rendering the executive order moot.

Of the myriad of responses I got from my post, this is the only one that didn't either outright lie or blame a republican. Kudos to you man. And a well thought out response. Now for my retort. Executive Orders do indeed have the power you specified however, the issue was brought up in Congress and voted down, thus removing any idea of vagary. The power you specified is only legally used on a bill that passed Congress, which is not the case here.

Again, thanks for a good post that sought to debate a point other than flame. I love you. Have a cute kitten.

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If congress took an up-or down vote on the issue I might be inclined to agree, but because of filibusters and such I don't believe they ever got around to holding a formal vote on the matter, it simply got tied up procedurally (in the Senate). As such, Congress has not clearly expressed its desire on the topic one way or another.

Joe Blowme: spongeboob: Anybody else notice that the people arguing against this are not specifing that this is only for people brought here as kids, they just keep stating that they are here illegally? This is the message that the Republicans are going to use not that he is allowing kids who grew up here to work, that he is allowing illegals to stay in the country and take your job. It needs to pointed out over and over again that this is for children whose parents brought them here, not for adults who came here as adults.

Corvus: Joe Blowme: TrollingForColumbine: Here is a document where W. Bush establishes enforcement priorities and other policies of immigration law. This was done without congresses consent. NOW STFU

But mommy! Billy did it too!!!!!

Romney promises to do many executive orders on hie first day. Are you complaining about that also?

Justifying stupidity by pointing to past stupidity is just stupid

No, I am not justifying anything. I am asking you why are you not condemning Mitt Romney too for his belief in using executive orders to get around congress.

I think all presidents can make executive orders not just one that I like. I am seeing why you seem to be able to have rules that change magically for Obama.

Corvus: sid2112: Again, I want liberals here to know that I'm not against you on this. The system needs to be fixed. Many people here through no fault of their own should be given some sort of exception. It still needs to be done legally and through compromise. Let the flames begin!

So then why is ok for Mitt Romney to "go around congress" in repealing "Obamacare" by only executive order like he promises to do on his website?

Or why was it ok for Reagan and the Bushs to "go around congress" with the "International gag rule"?

Why are the rules different for Obama?

Or, for that matte, starting wars against Iraq and Afghanistan (and Grenada and many other countries) without a formal declaration of war by Congress?

Joe Blowme: spongeboob: Anybody else notice that the people arguing against this are not specifing that this is only for people brought here as kids, they just keep stating that they are here illegally? This is the message that the Republicans are going to use not that he is allowing kids who grew up here to work, that he is allowing illegals to stay in the country and take your job. It needs to pointed out over and over again that this is for children whose parents brought them here, not for adults who came here as adults.



Justifying stupidity by pointing to past stupidity is just stupid

Answer me this if someone was brought here as an infant, and has never lived anywhere else would you want this person deported?

Joe Blowme: Corvus: Joe Blowme: spongeboob: Anybody else notice that the people arguing against this are not specifing that this is only for people brought here as kids, they just keep stating that they are here illegally? This is the message that the Republicans are going to use not that he is allowing kids who grew up here to work, that he is allowing illegals to stay in the country and take your job. It needs to pointed out over and over again that this is for children whose parents brought them here, not for adults who came here as adults.

Corvus: Joe Blowme: TrollingForColumbine: Here is a document where W. Bush establishes enforcement priorities and other policies of immigration law. This was done without congresses consent. NOW STFU

But mommy! Billy did it too!!!!!

Romney promises to do many executive orders on hie first day. Are you complaining about that also?

Justifying stupidity by pointing to past stupidity is just stupid

No, I am not justifying anything. I am asking you why are you not condemning Mitt Romney too for his belief in using executive orders to get around congress.

I think all presidents can make executive orders not just one that I like. I am seeing why you seem to be able to have rules that change magically for Obama.

Difference between believe and action. You should know politicians change their beliefs like you do underwear.... i hope. You are trying to justify this stupidity by pointing to Bush stupidity. Executive order or not its still stupidity.

I am talking about ROMNEY. You know the GOP candidate?

So you think Romney's main campaign promises are all lies?

Is Romney's position on repealing "Obamacare" through executive order stupid or not?

havocmike: 64%??

Where?

All the wrrggrrbbll I've seen indicates otherwise?

Who is going to be more vocal someone who says agrees or someone who disagrees?

Joe Blowme: Difference between believe and action. You should know politicians change their beliefs like you do underwear....

Yes we ARE talking about Mitt Romney. He does change his stance very often.

But if he is lying like you say or not he still has made the statements about sending out many executive orders his first day in office.

Do you oppose that idea? Or is it you only oppose it when it's Obama not when it's Romney?

Joe Blowme: Corvus: Joe Blowme: Corvus: Joe Blowme: spongeboob: Anybody else notice that the people arguing against this are not specifing that this is only for people brought here as kids, they just keep stating that they are here illegally? This is the message that the Republicans are going to use not that he is allowing kids who grew up here to work, that he is allowing illegals to stay in the country and take your job. It needs to pointed out over and over again that this is for children whose parents brought them here, not for adults who came here as adults.

Corvus: Joe Blowme: TrollingForColumbine: Here is a document where W. Bush establishes enforcement priorities and other policies of immigration law. This was done without congresses consent. NOW STFU

But mommy! Billy did it too!!!!!

Romney promises to do many executive orders on hie first day. Are you complaining about that also?

Justifying stupidity by pointing to past stupidity is just stupid

No, I am not justifying anything. I am asking you why are you not condemning Mitt Romney too for his belief in using executive orders to get around congress.

I think all presidents can make executive orders not just one that I like. I am seeing why you seem to be able to have rules that change magically for Obama.

Difference between believe and action. You should know politicians change their beliefs like you do underwear.... i hope. You are trying to justify this stupidity by pointing to Bush stupidity. Executive order or not its still stupidity.

I am talking about ROMNEY. You know the GOP candidate?

So you think Romney's main campaign promises are all lies?

Is Romney's position on repealing "Obamacare" through executive order stupid or not?

IMHO, no. I am not debating legality, just stupidity... this is FARK after all.

Fine. Once again like I said:

Is Romney's position on repealing "Obamacare" through executive order stupid or not?

I didn't say "legal" so not sure why you are pretending I did.

tenpoundsofcheese: kronicfeld confirmed what I said.

tenpoundsofcheese: Kronicfeld doesn't know what he is talking about.

I'm sorry, but I find the juxtaposition of these two back-to-back posts quite hilarious...

jso2897: Obama isn't "adding" anybody to "the workforce". These people are already IN the "workforce". We weren't hunting down and deporting non-criminals in this category anyway. Nothing in the realm of reality is changing.
Nothing.
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Quit yer bawlin'.

One thing did change. Everyone now is asking Romney his position on the matter and he actually has to make take a stand on a position, which he isn't good at.

He changed the name to the FART act: Freedom for Alien Residents Today.