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(WSBTV)   Apple store refuses to sell an iPad to a woman because she's Iranian. Well surely this was just one misguided employ- oh, it's Apple's official policy to refuse to do business with anyone from Iran   (wsbtv.com) divider line 380
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2012-06-19 09:16:04 AM  
stupid manager is not interpreting the policy correctly.
 
2012-06-19 09:19:46 AM  

houndoggie: stupid manager is not interpreting the policy correctly.


Yeah it just sounds like they aren't supposed to export them.
 
2012-06-19 09:24:52 AM  

houndoggie: stupid manager is not interpreting the policy correctly.


Done in one.

Though, in this case, I would break out the ZP 'pants on head retarded' line.
 
2012-06-19 09:25:31 AM  
Refusing to do business because of where they're from, yeah that's one of those big 10 categories you can't discriminate against. Apple will just have to pay up when the lawsuit comes, they have zero defense as the manager nicely repeated it on camera for them.
 
2012-06-19 09:27:46 AM  
Not as crazy as it sounds.

I am not sure if there are any restrictions on ipads, but it is not uncommon for cutting edge consumer products to have export restrictions-typically based on the number of MIPS the processor is capable of.

If the technology is restricted, the law can get a little murky. Selling an item to a citizen of a foreign country, even if done in the US, can be considered an "export" when dealing with technology restricted products.
 
2012-06-19 09:29:25 AM  

mauricecano: Refusing to do business because of where they're from, yeah that's one of those big 10 categories you can't discriminate against. Apple will just have to pay up when the lawsuit comes, they have zero defense as the manager nicely repeated it on camera for them.


If this happened more than one time to different people at different locations it could get ugly for Apple quickly.
 
2012-06-19 09:31:53 AM  

mr_a: Not as crazy as it sounds.

I am not sure if there are any restrictions on ipads, but it is not uncommon for cutting edge consumer products to have export restrictions-typically based on the number of MIPS the processor is capable of.

If the technology is restricted, the law can get a little murky. Selling an item to a citizen of a foreign country, even if done in the US, can be considered an "export" when dealing with technology restricted products.


Unfortunately, I think Apple may face more severe punishment for discrimination than they would for selling the product to an Iranian national. I would think that if the person is here legally (on a student visa) it would fall more on Customs to ensure that they're not taking anything back that they're not supposed to.
 
2012-06-19 09:34:55 AM  

incendi: mr_a: Not as crazy as it sounds.

I am not sure if there are any restrictions on ipads, but it is not uncommon for cutting edge consumer products to have export restrictions-typically based on the number of MIPS the processor is capable of.

If the technology is restricted, the law can get a little murky. Selling an item to a citizen of a foreign country, even if done in the US, can be considered an "export" when dealing with technology restricted products.

Unfortunately, I think Apple may face more severe punishment for discrimination than they would for selling the product to an Iranian national. I would think that if the person is here legally (on a student visa) it would fall more on Customs to ensure that they're not taking anything back that they're not supposed to.


The girl the article is mainly about is even a US citizen.
 
2012-06-19 09:38:28 AM  
How exactly do they spot an Iranian on the sales floor?
 
2012-06-19 09:40:29 AM  
When they were heard speaking the foreign language, they said the sales representative refused to sell them anything

So the store is refusing sales to anyone not speaking English?
 
2012-06-19 09:41:50 AM  
A manager showed Viteri Apple's policy. It said the exportation, sale or supply from the U.S. to Iran of any Apple goods is strictly prohibited without authorization by the U.S. government. The manager also told Viteri they have to rely on customers to be honest

This is PRICELESS. You could really have some fun with this.
 
2012-06-19 09:45:27 AM  
Apple store refuses to sell an iPad to a woman because she's Iranian an American who happens to be of Iranian descent.
 
2012-06-19 09:50:40 AM  

houndoggie: The girl the article is mainly about is even a US citizen.


Oh, yeah, I missed that and fixated on her friend. Manager is dumb.
 
2012-06-19 09:58:32 AM  
It just works....

Unless you're from Iran. Then it just, f*ck you!
 
2012-06-19 10:02:08 AM  
iRan
 
2012-06-19 10:02:22 AM  

incendi: mr_a: Not as crazy as it sounds.

I am not sure if there are any restrictions on ipads, but it is not uncommon for cutting edge consumer products to have export restrictions-typically based on the number of MIPS the processor is capable of.

If the technology is restricted, the law can get a little murky. Selling an item to a citizen of a foreign country, even if done in the US, can be considered an "export" when dealing with technology restricted products.

Unfortunately, I think Apple may face more severe punishment for discrimination than they would for selling the product to an Iranian national. I would think that if the person is here legally (on a student visa) it would fall more on Customs to ensure that they're not taking anything back that they're not supposed to.


Link

See "Deemed Exports"

Not saying it is likely, but with the way the Feds operate, who knows.
 
2012-06-19 10:08:41 AM  
Good for that manager!

This ensures that the Iranian government could never possibly obtain an iPad. This was the only possible way they could have done it and the Apple store employees slammed the door on their little scam.
 
2012-06-19 10:12:51 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: When they were heard speaking the foreign language, they said the sales representative refused to sell them anything

So the store is refusing sales to anyone not speaking English?


Let's just hope we never get any light-skinned English-speaking Iranians in an Apple store, or our only defense will be compromised.
 
2012-06-19 10:15:36 AM  
I thought the garden of Eden was in Northern Iran. So you don't want those people to have apples because, uh, God says so.
 
2012-06-19 10:16:32 AM  

mr_a: See "Deemed Exports"


the woman in question is an American citizen. It's not going to be exported anywhere.
 
2012-06-19 10:16:49 AM  
Overzealous staffer?
 
2012-06-19 10:18:36 AM  

mr_a: See "Deemed Exports"

Not saying it is likely, but with the way the Feds operate, who knows.


Good point. Persons in the US as students are explicitly included there. I'm gonna go with "Apple is screwed either way."
 
2012-06-19 10:19:52 AM  

mr_a: See "Deemed Exports"

Not saying it is likely, but with the way the Feds operate, who knows.


Dude, she's a US citizen.
 
2012-06-19 10:21:20 AM  
Oi, that article's a mess. The girl in question should be fine. Mr. Jazfardeh, helping his friend from Iran on a student visa buy one, not so much.
 
2012-06-19 10:21:26 AM  
It's an export restriction, not a race based one. That salesperson is getting canned.
 
2012-06-19 10:22:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: How exactly do they spot an Iranian on the sales floor?


This is 'Murica, if they're brown they're bad.
 
2012-06-19 10:23:18 AM  
This is rotten, Apple. I hope one bad employee doesn't spoil the whole bunch.
 
2012-06-19 10:24:25 AM  
Sue the farkers.
 
2012-06-19 10:24:31 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I thought the garden of Eden was in Northern Iran. So you don't want those people to have apples because, uh, God says so.


Pomagranents.

They didn't have apple trees there back 4,000 years ago.
 
2012-06-19 10:25:06 AM  
All the FWD: FWD: FWD:'s about ISLAM CARRYING CEREMONIAL DAGGER AND TURBAN REFUSES TO SELL TO MARINE CORE SOLDIER AND THEN DANCES IN THE STREET FOR TERROR! slapped with false on Snopes and what turns out to be true? This one. It will get no FWD treatment, because the Universe has no sense of justice.
 
2012-06-19 10:25:57 AM  
I'll just leave this here...

www.1ph0ne.com


but seriously.. maybe they're afraid the iranians will disassemble it and report to the world all of the geotracking technologies built into apple products.

//uses google's phone.. no way that's being tracked.......
 
2012-06-19 10:26:15 AM  

Aarontology: mr_a: See "Deemed Exports"

the woman in question is an American citizen. It's not going to be exported anywhere.


Do you know that for certain? When I worked for the Fruit Stand, we had a group of Chinese folks (with all appropriate documents, including Driver's Licenses marking them as Citizens) who would come in and buy 10-20 iPhones at a time, per customer, including basic AT&T contracts. They did this once or twice a month, until the regional manager enacted a policy of limit-one-per-customer.

We've had other people come into the store who were US citizens who either directly or indirectly indicated they were going to be shipping the unit out of the country, based on questions they asked, etc. Due to that, it was standing policy that we were obligated to refuse sale to those people because of the possibility of export and export restrictions.

You may feel free to get all butthurt because "ZOMG THEY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST SOMEONE", as is the common reaction to anything like this, but if they had a reasonable belief that the person was intending to export the device, they are within their rights to uphold company policy and the legal standing issued by the legal department.

Now, that being said, the Fruit Salad ninjas are here to whisk me away for re-indoctrination at the Shrine of Jobs, so remember, buy iPads, iPhones are the best phones ever, and death to microsoft. ,\m/
 
2012-06-19 10:26:16 AM  
If we can't buy their cigars, they can't have our ipads.
 
2012-06-19 10:27:10 AM  
Which way will this go?

(a) the girl gets a free iPad 8, iPhone, iTV, and iLimo tour of the iCampus as Apple does damage control.

(b) americans back the manager, and the girl is officially shamed in the town square.
 
2012-06-19 10:27:26 AM  
Apparently it was hard for the author to get an image of an iPad for TFA
 
2012-06-19 10:27:58 AM  

Aarontology: iRan


So far away...
 
2012-06-19 10:28:04 AM  
This chick (and her lawyer) just hit the jackpot.
 
2012-06-19 10:28:10 AM  
Wait, she was from iran or she used to be a man?

/not obscure
 
2012-06-19 10:29:59 AM  
Seems legit. Only an Ass would try and help a foreign national export US technology to a country like Iran. Way to go Apple!
 
2012-06-19 10:30:31 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: How exactly do they spot an Iranian on the sales floor?


Turbans and a tendency to say "durkha durkha jyhad".
 
2012-06-19 10:30:59 AM  
Oh shiat Iran, now Apple's imposing unilateral sanctions on you. You done goofed.
 
2012-06-19 10:31:00 AM  
Under Your Lord and Savior Obama, it is a very serious federal crime to export anything remotely high-tech to Iran.

Here we have a dopey manager failing to grasp the concept.

But let's pretend this is about evil corporations and their fundamental racism, OK? Because I know O-Bots live for that.
 
2012-06-19 10:31:18 AM  

houndoggie: stupid manager is not interpreting the policy correctly.


Stupid farker doesn't really know the policy.
 
2012-06-19 10:31:57 AM  
Not uncommon at all.

When the G4 Cube came out in 1999, the export was banned for 50 (FIFTY) different countries. This was a US Gov't policy, not Apple.

http://articles.cnn.com/1999-09-17/tech/9909_17_g4.ban.idg_1_power-ma c -g4-export-ban-mhz-g4?_s=PM:TECH

The fact that it is now down to just one makes it slightly more asinine, but none the less there is a precedent...
 
2012-06-19 10:32:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: How exactly do they spot an Iranian on the sales floor?


southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-06-19 10:32:37 AM  

Kit Fister: Do you know that for certain? When I worked for the Fruit Stand, we had a group of Chinese folks (with all appropriate documents, including Driver's Licenses marking them as Citizens) who would come in and buy 10-20 iPhones at a time, per customer, including basic AT&T contracts. They did this once or twice a month, until the regional manager enacted a policy of limit-one-per-customer.


There are driver's licenses that mark you as citizens? I just checked mine to be sure (NYS) and it doesn't say anything about citizenship. Plus, green card holders have to drive too.
 
2012-06-19 10:33:02 AM  
Seems to me that this salesman kept the poor girl from buying an inferior product.

This is 2012, what kind of idiot wants a 3G fruit-phone anyway?
 
2012-06-19 10:33:10 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: How exactly do they spot an Iranian on the sales floor?


hold a US flag next them. if the person tries to light it on fire: Iranian
 
2012-06-19 10:33:21 AM  

Gumaraid: Seems legit. Only an Ass would try and help a foreign national export US technology to a country like Iran. Way to go Apple!


It isn't Apple's policy not to sell to people of Iranian decent, that is how the dumbass manager interpreted what he read. The law is that they can't export the product to Iran. So if an Iranian walks into the Apple store, they can buy it. But if a person is in Tehran and tries to order one online, Apple cannot sell it to them.
 
2012-06-19 10:33:44 AM  

Kit Fister: Aarontology: mr_a: See "Deemed Exports"

the woman in question is an American citizen. It's not going to be exported anywhere.

Do you know that for certain?




Doesn't matter. "US Person"s includes both US citizens and people with legal permanent residency status, and are specifically exclude from export control. That's pretty much the entire definition of export: Giving something to a non-"US person".
 
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