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(WSLS Virginia)   Good News. Your dead dog is eligible to vote for steak in Bedford County, Virginia   (www2.wsls.com) divider line 30
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2012-06-19 09:45:54 AM
That is as long as your dead dog votes Democrat.
 
2012-06-19 09:48:20 AM
This means Sarah Palin is automatically President and Obama has to give Bo the Portuguese Water Dog to an Indonesian restaurant.
 
2012-06-19 09:48:38 AM
You're just peed off because even a dead dog is smarter than a Republican voter in Virginia.
 
2012-06-19 09:50:59 AM
"Good News. Your dead dog is eligible to register to vote for steak in Bedford County, Virginia"

And let us know what happens when he tries to cast a ballot. Registration != voting.

I could register Dr Doom, Hank Pym, Yelnick McWawa, Holden MacGroyne, Madonna X. Madonna, Steve the Pirate and Betsy Ross to vote, but they'd have a devil of a time 1) passing muster with the Board of Elections, and 2) casting a ballot at a polling place.
 
2012-06-19 09:53:23 AM
This proves everything, ever.
Suck it, Lib-Cons.
 
2012-06-19 09:54:07 AM
Sounds like some dumb farker filled out his census wrong and listed his beloved pet as a family member.
 
2012-06-19 09:55:59 AM
Citrate1007


Sounds like some dumb farker filled out his census wrong and listed his beloved pet as a family member.



Good chance that in Virginia that is the case.
 
2012-06-19 10:02:08 AM

Dr Dreidel: "Good News. Your dead dog is eligible to register to vote for steak in Bedford County, Virginia"

And let us know what happens when he tries to cast a ballot. Registration != voting.

I could register Dr Doom, Hank Pym, Yelnick McWawa, Holden MacGroyne, Madonna X. Madonna, Steve the Pirate and Betsy Ross to vote, but they'd have a devil of a time 1) passing muster with the Board of Elections, and 2) casting a ballot at a polling place.


Not really. Without ID, you just need to sign an affidavit stating that you're eligible and they can't stop you from casting a provisional ballot. Really though you don't even have to do that. Make up a utility bill with a fake name and you can register and cast a vote under that. No provisional and no elections board questioning it. To get his dog a vote, all he'd need to do is just forge one piece of evidence and then vote absentee.

You think it's hard? You haven't tried to find loopholes.
 
2012-06-19 10:02:59 AM

Citrate1007: Sounds like some dumb farker filled out his census wrong and listed his beloved pet as a family member.


Sounds more like some board of elections staffer confused Morris the owner with Mo the dog.
 
2012-06-19 10:04:07 AM
The new republican economy plan; deregulation.
 
2012-06-19 10:07:43 AM

Mrbogey: Make up a utility bill with a fake name


That's not a simple thing to do, since the registrations are then checked against the utility records.
 
2012-06-19 10:11:52 AM

Mrbogey: Dr Dreidel: "Good News. Your dead dog is eligible to register to vote for steak in Bedford County, Virginia"

And let us know what happens when he tries to cast a ballot. Registration != voting.

I could register Dr Doom, Hank Pym, Yelnick McWawa, Holden MacGroyne, Madonna X. Madonna, Steve the Pirate and Betsy Ross to vote, but they'd have a devil of a time 1) passing muster with the Board of Elections, and 2) casting a ballot at a polling place.

Not really. Without ID, you just need to sign an affidavit stating that you're eligible and they can't stop you from casting a provisional ballot. Really though you don't even have to do that. Make up a utility bill with a fake name and you can register and cast a vote under that. No provisional and no elections board questioning it. To get his dog a vote, all he'd need to do is just forge one piece of evidence and then vote absentee.

You think it's hard? You haven't tried to find loopholes.


It isn't hard as much as it is a complete waste of time.

Now if someone were to organize say, 5000 dead dogs to vote we might have a problem with electoral integrity.
 
2012-06-19 10:45:38 AM

jcooli09: Now if someone were to organize say, 5000 dead dogs to vote we might have a problem with electoral integrity.


If only there was a major federal election that came down to a few hundred votes across an entire state, that I could use an an example. Or perhaps a governorship. Some type of election where a couple hundred could swing it.
 
2012-06-19 10:49:12 AM
Simpsons did it.

/Well, except it was a cat.
//Longs for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule me like a king.
 
2012-06-19 10:59:52 AM
As a yellow dog democrat, I approve of this.
 
2012-06-19 11:23:37 AM
Well in that case we really need to disenfranchise a bunch of eligible voters!
 
2012-06-19 11:28:45 AM

Mrbogey: jcooli09: Now if someone were to organize say, 5000 dead dogs to vote we might have a problem with electoral integrity.

If only there was a major federal election that came down to a few hundred votes across an entire state, that I could use an an example. Or perhaps a governorship. Some type of election where a couple hundred could swing it.


You'd still need to do it "a few hundred times" - that's a lot of counterfeiting, driving and risking getting caught, all to POSSIBLY influence what MIGHT BE a close district. Or, depending on where you live, several districts. But again, you'd need to spend so much time planning the scheme and making sure your own tracks are covered (casting 200 ballots at the same place might get you noticed; obtaining and mailing a similar number of absentee ballots - which are not counted 100%, by the way - would also likely get you noticed) that you'd be better off campaigning for your guy.

Like I said, not impossible, but "you'd have a devil of a time" pulling it off.
 
2012-06-19 11:32:40 AM

karnal: Citrate1007


Sounds like some dumb farker filled out his census wrong and listed his beloved pet as a family member.


Good chance that in Virginia that is the case.


Especially given the Republicans in Bedford County.
 
2012-06-19 11:34:36 AM

ps69: Well in that case we really need to disenfranchise a bunch of eligible voters!


They're not being disenfranchised, they're being asked, for their love of America, to travel to Richmond to get an appointment to have a hearing in 6 months to make sure they're eligible to vote. Perfectly reasonable. Or do you just hate Democracy like Hitler did?
 
2012-06-19 11:53:28 AM

Dr Dreidel: You'd still need to do it "a few hundred times" - that's a lot of counterfeiting, driving and risking getting caught, all to POSSIBLY influence what MIGHT BE a close district.


I don't see how welfare fraud can cost taxpayers billions. That's a lot of fraud one guy has to do to pull it all off.

The point I'm getting at is you're assuming all crime is committed by one person. If in a random state only .01% of a population decides to commit voter fraud, you have a lot of votes.

Right now we have a faith based voting system where we trust people not to lie. We have no way of documenting if anyone's lying unless they're a complete idiot.
 
2012-06-19 12:10:30 PM

Mrbogey: Dr Dreidel: You'd still need to do it "a few hundred times" - that's a lot of counterfeiting, driving and risking getting caught, all to POSSIBLY influence what MIGHT BE a close district.

I don't see how welfare fraud can cost taxpayers billions. That's a lot of fraud one guy has to do to pull it all off.

The point I'm getting at is you're assuming all crime is committed by one person. If in a random state only .01% of a population decides to commit voter fraud, you have a lot of votes.

Right now we have a faith based voting system where we trust people not to lie. We have no way of documenting if anyone's lying unless they're a complete idiot.


If one out of every thousand votes was fraudulently cast (approximately equal to $3B of welfare fraud in a $3T budget), you'd have a point. Have there been 1,000 successful voter fraud prosecutions in the last 3 years nationwide? Have there been cases equivalent to 1,000 fraudulent votes having been cast?

Alternatively, how far back do we have to go to find that many voter fraud cases/fraudulent votes cast?
 
2012-06-19 12:18:28 PM

Dr Dreidel: Have there been cases equivalent to 1,000 fraudulent votes having been cast?


http://articles.cnn.com/1998-02-13/politics/cq_sanchez_1_dornans-sanc h ez-illegal-votes?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

748 in one congressional election.

http://www.fortreport.com/floridavoting/info/twice/

Voters voting twice.

Dr Dreidel: Have there been 1,000 successful voter fraud prosecutions in the last 3 years nationwide?


That's the point. We have a system with only the thinnest of safeguards. Go on and look through a voter roll over 1,000,000 long and pick out which ones are real and which ones are illegal. Think of it as sausage making for the political process, we have a whole host of people, as evidenced here by the replies, who don't want to do anything about the system and they don't want to know what goes on. Anytime someone suggests a method which can verify voters and make tracking and validating voters, we have people crying about how it doesn't exist. It's like saying a bank that works on an honor system can't be robbed because no one has shown proof that it's been robbed.
 
2012-06-19 12:26:43 PM

Mrbogey: Dr Dreidel: Have there been cases equivalent to 1,000 fraudulent votes having been cast?

http://articles.cnn.com/1998-02-13/politics/cq_sanchez_1_dornans-sanc h ez-illegal-votes?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

748 in one congressional election.

http://www.fortreport.com/floridavoting/info/twice/

Voters voting twice.

Dr Dreidel: Have there been 1,000 successful voter fraud prosecutions in the last 3 years nationwide?

That's the point. We have a system with only the thinnest of safeguards. Go on and look through a voter roll over 1,000,000 long and pick out which ones are real and which ones are illegal. Think of it as sausage making for the political process, we have a whole host of people, as evidenced here by the replies, who don't want to do anything about the system and they don't want to know what goes on. Anytime someone suggests a method which can verify voters and make tracking and validating voters, we have people crying about how it doesn't exist. It's like saying a bank that works on an honor system can't be robbed because no one has shown proof that it's been robbed.


First link doesn't work (but the URL suggests it's a 14-year-old story), and the second is essentially a list of suggestive facts presented (sans actual evidence of fraudulent voting) by Some Guy on the Internet. In 2004. Your second paragraph, by the way, reads similarly. As hearing on these Voter ID bills show, this is a solution searching for a problem.

I'll agree that we need some way of verifying identities of voters. My solution is simple - make ID cards (separate from drivers' licenses) free for EVERYONE, and provide some means of getting it that don't require someone to sit at the DMV (or other office) for 4+ hours in the hopes that Form A-13987 is filled out correctly, only to be denied because the birth certificate they brought doesn't have a raised seal signed by the Secretary of State's hamster walker. If we can do that to avoid the inherent unfairness in using ID cards as proof of eligibility, I'm down.

// also, make Election Day a Federal holiday
// and make DC a state
 
2012-06-19 12:35:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: First link doesn't work (but the URL suggests it's a 14-year-old story), and the second is essentially a list of suggestive facts presented (sans actual evidence of fraudulent voting) by Some Guy on the Internet. In 2004. Your second paragraph, by the way, reads similarly. As hearing on these Voter ID bills show, this is a solution searching for a problem.


By all means point me to the law that happened since then to ensure that these incidents are old news and impossible for reoccurrence.

Dr Dreidel: I'll agree that we need some way of verifying identities of voters. My solution is simple - make ID cards (separate from drivers' licenses) free for EVERYONE, and provide some means of getting it that don't require someone to sit at the DMV (or other office) for 4+ hours in the hopes that Form A-13987 is filled out correctly, only to be denied because the birth certificate they brought doesn't have a raised seal signed by the Secretary of State's hamster walker. If we can do that to avoid the inherent unfairness in using ID cards as proof of eligibility, I'm down.


Since when did you become a Republican?
 
2012-06-19 12:36:20 PM

Dr Dreidel: // and make DC a state


DC should be returned to Maryland, just like Arlington, which used to be part of DC, was returned to VA.
 
2012-06-19 01:34:46 PM

Mrbogey: Dr Dreidel: I'll agree that we need some way of verifying identities of voters. My solution is simple - make ID cards (separate from drivers' licenses) free for EVERYONE, and provide some means of getting it that don't require someone to sit at the DMV (or other office) for 4+ hours in the hopes that Form A-13987 is filled out correctly, only to be denied because the birth certificate they brought doesn't have a raised seal signed by the Secretary of State's hamster walker. If we can do that to avoid the inherent unfairness in using ID cards as proof of eligibility, I'm down.

Since when did you become a Republican?


As we converse, the likelihood that I will espouse or embrace a Republican position approaches 100%. I'm a bit GOP when it comes to gun laws as well.

There is some measure of incongruity that I must show proof of my identity for everything except voting. Philosophically, I believe that we should know that we know who's voting - and as I stated, my problems with implementing a nationwide system are with access. If we can solve that problem (while also keeping provisional balloting and absentee voting in place, and maybe add online voting and a Federal holiday as well), I no longer have objection to showing ID to vote, same as you do when paying court costs for a traffic ticket.
 
2012-06-19 04:15:04 PM

Mrbogey: Anytime someone suggests a method which can verify voters and make tracking and validating voters, we have people crying about how it doesn't exist.


If you're going to lie, at least try to make it sound credible. The complaint is over "solutions" like ID laws that disenfranchise people who can't afford them or lack the documentation to obtain them.
 
2012-06-19 05:30:49 PM

Splinshints: If you're going to lie, at least try to make it sound credible. The complaint is over "solutions" like ID laws that disenfranchise people who can't afford them or lack the documentation to obtain them.


No, that's not true. Thanks for trying to spin the actual arguments given into your pseudo-reality where nothing actually is as it is here.

Your concern trolling for the poor is duly noted though.
 
2012-06-19 05:45:04 PM
I hear New Jersey is going to sue Virginia for trademark infringement.
 
2012-06-20 09:36:59 AM
Receiving voter registration forms (from a 3rd party) on behalf of your dog: not a problem.

Filing voter registrations forms on behalf of your dog: problem.
 
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