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(Slate)   Finally, an answer to the biggest question facing us today: Why are Poland Springs water bottles so flimsy and crinkly when they used to be so sturdy?   (slate.com) divider line 117
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2012-06-19 08:19:19 AM  
Wow, even journalists today are naive knuckheads.
/psst. It's cheaper, cheaper to make, cheaper to ship.
 
2012-06-19 08:48:54 AM  
Dude that's what the entire article says

paragraph 2: The answer: environmentally friendly operations. Or, less charitably but perhaps more accurately, operations that cut down on raw material use and, along the way, have environmentally pleasant side benefits.
 
2012-06-19 09:01:38 AM  
Long as they don't fall apart before I get them to the bottle machine at the grocery store, I could not care less.
 
2012-06-19 09:17:59 AM  
I like that you can crunch them down so the take up less room in the garbage/recycling/back seat of car.
 
2012-06-19 10:10:06 AM  
This is actually a thing for me since they stopped providing paper cups for the coffee machines and coolers at work. I'll buy more expensive bottles of water simply because they have sturdier bottles that are better for re-use.
 
2012-06-19 10:30:34 AM  

aiiee: Wow, even journalists today are naive knuckheads.
/psst. It's cheaper, cheaper to make, cheaper to ship.


And bigger profits for selling filtered tap water
 
2012-06-19 10:48:14 AM  

Tigger: environmentally pleasant side benefits.


You know what would be an even more environmentally pleasing benefit?

Not buying a goddamn bottle of water in the first place. That shiat comes right out of the faucet!
 
2012-06-19 11:05:26 AM  
Water? You mean like outta the toilet?
 
2012-06-19 11:07:05 AM  
$$$$$$$$$$$$ if they saved 1/5 of a penny on each one..........
 
2012-06-19 11:07:34 AM  

Calmamity: Tigger: environmentally pleasant side benefits.

You know what would be an even more environmentally pleasing benefit?

Not buying a goddamn bottle of water in the first place. That shiat comes right out of the faucet!


Bottled water represents the pinnacle of capitalism as an economic system.
 
2012-06-19 11:07:41 AM  
Coming from NY, I had to move to the Midwest to learn how spoiled we were with fresh, clean, soft Catskill reservoir water.

Midwest well water sucks
 
2012-06-19 11:08:52 AM  

tarheel07: Water? You mean like outta the toilet?


No electrolytes.
 
2012-06-19 11:09:07 AM  
Trying to find a pic of the brief time we could get 3L sodas in the original glass bottles, back when everything was still in glass.

Anyways .. GTFOML
 
2012-06-19 11:10:04 AM  
Back in MY day you'd have to locate a water source using a witching stick and dig a well if you wanted a drink!
You lazy young punks and your `bottled' water, I tell ya.
 
2012-06-19 11:10:09 AM  
People still buy bottled water?

/takes a sip of the free water from my faucet.
 
2012-06-19 11:10:42 AM  

styckx: People still buy bottled water?

/takes a sip of the free water from my faucet.


YOU GONNA DIE!
 
2012-06-19 11:10:43 AM  

Calmamity: That shiat comes right out of the faucet!


In some places (within the US even!) the tap water is undrinkable, given the amount of treatment and filtration it has to go through just to make it nontoxic.

I know, get a tap filter/filter pitcher, but it's something of a pain to sit and fill/refill the pitcher while you fill up a half-dozen liter bottles for your hiking trip. Also doesn't factor in the time it takes to make filtered ice cubes, since if you put unfiltered water cubes into filtered water bottles, you've just defeated the whole purpose.

Again, it says it right in TFA: sometimes, it's about convenience, and if you have to make an impact, you should TRY to make a small one.
 
2012-06-19 11:11:53 AM  

Waitwaitwait...

It comes in bottles?
 
2012-06-19 11:13:30 AM  
No problem with the new bottles, but my lord the kids can make noise with those darn things, you can suck them in and out and drive somebody nuts

Found myself channeling old school parents "Don't make me come in there" (they did and it was not pretty)
 
2012-06-19 11:14:04 AM  

rocinante721: Coming from NY, I had to move to the Midwest to learn how spoiled we were with fresh, clean, soft Catskill reservoir water.

Midwest well water sucks


Memphis water is so, so, delicious. Tried some Florida water years ago and had to spit it out. I immediately went and did something I swore I'd never do - bought bottle water. I think Memphis has made me a water snob. And target for violent crime. Unrelated.
 
2012-06-19 11:14:15 AM  
They say why right on the freaking bottle it's not exactly a mystery.
 
2012-06-19 11:14:17 AM  

rocinante721: Coming from NY, I had to move to the Midwest to learn how spoiled we were with fresh, clean, soft Catskill reservoir water.

Midwest well water sucks


If you live in or near The City, us 'Up States' had to make do with PCB laden Husdon River water.

"OK, we can't eat the fish from the river but that's where we get our drinking water?"

IRT article:
1) Buy a re-useable water bottle.
2) Fill it from your tap.
3) Profit!
 
2012-06-19 11:16:41 AM  

rocinante721: Coming from NY, I had to move to the Midwest to learn how spoiled we were with fresh, clean, soft Catskill reservoir water.

Midwest well water sucks


Wierd...when I lived in NY the water tasted like pool water.

Maybe you are like those Budwieser drinkers who are so used to shiat beer anything else they drink is disgusting to them.
 
2012-06-19 11:17:06 AM  
There's absolutely nothing "environmentally friendly" about any part of the water bottling industry.
 
2012-06-19 11:18:27 AM  
cdn2.screenjunkies.com
 
2012-06-19 11:18:31 AM  
Water here sucks so bad we invited the oil companies to frak around here on the grounds it couldn't get worse.
 
2012-06-19 11:19:20 AM  
Wouldn't it be more eco-friendly to put the water in bags, like milk? The bags can be recycled with the rest of your plastics and the jugs are easier to store in the fridge. Easier to transport, and really easy to use - just put the bag in the jug (which pierces the bag), close the jug, and you're all set.

encrypted-tbn3.google.com
 
2012-06-19 11:21:46 AM  
I picked up an off-brand 2 liter soda in the store a couple of days ago, I thought my thumb was going to break through the plastic. I guess as long as it holds the soda, less is better. Though back in the day, you could hardly push the bottles in at all if you tried.

/adjusts onion on belt
 
2012-06-19 11:24:06 AM  
My complaint is isn't about them bottling filtered tap water. There was a need that they filled.

My complaint is that they are allowed to sell filtered tap water for MORE per ounce than sodas and other drinks, even though there is no way in hell it costs more to produce.

And before you say it's because filtering water costs money ... soda uses filtered water, too.
 
2012-06-19 11:24:13 AM  

Spiralmonkey: Wouldn't it be more eco-friendly to put the water in bags, like milk? The bags can be recycled with the rest of your plastics and the jugs are easier to store in the fridge. Easier to transport, and really easy to use - just put the bag in the jug (which pierces the bag), close the jug, and you're all set.

[encrypted-tbn3.google.com image 295x171]


Milk in bags? What are you, European?

/looks like a neat idea
 
2012-06-19 11:25:15 AM  
Here's a better idea America: Quit making disposable stuff out of permanent stuff.

Plastic is incredibly resilient yes is most commonly used for small items that are used only once and discarded. How backwards is that?

Milk used to come in cartons. Basically waxed paper. Alot of items could be made in something similar, like juice pouches. Those that cannot (for instance, soda due to the carbonation) can be made in bottles again. Screw the extra cost. Make it pay for itself. A water bottle or 20oz soda is already insanely expensive (a 20oz soda often costs more than a 2 liter bottle at a grocery store) so another 10 cents wont matter and to prevent people throwing the damn bottles away make the deposit crazy high, like 50 cents a bottle.

Speaking of disposable stuff, we have got to stop using aluminum for this kind of thing, too. Aluminum is actually pretty damn rare and takes a ridiculous amount of resources to extract from the ground.
 
2012-06-19 11:25:15 AM  
Oh yeah. Forgot to mention that the lowered cost of materials plus the increase in price for bottled water means more profit for us. Pass the savings on to the consumer you say? Are you farking crazy?!?
 
2012-06-19 11:26:50 AM  
BRONDO! It's got electrolytes!
 
2012-06-19 11:27:50 AM  

FreakinB: This is actually a thing for me since they stopped providing paper cups for the coffee machines and coolers at work. I'll buy more expensive bottles of water simply because they have sturdier bottles that are better for re-use.


If you need a sturdier bottle, get a sturdier bottle:

store.nalgene.com

/bottled water bottles aren't intended for reuse
 
2012-06-19 11:28:07 AM  
tarheel07 Water? You mean like outta the toilet?

If it's good enough for my cats, it's good enough for your kids.

To people who say "but but TAP!", drink a glass from the tap, then drink a glass of tap water that's been filtered. There is a difference.

Poland Spring is good. At least it's not recycled Coke water.
 
2012-06-19 11:28:44 AM  
One word: PLASTICS

whyy.org
 
2012-06-19 11:29:15 AM  

Spiralmonkey: Wouldn't it be more eco-friendly to put the water in bags, like milk? The bags can be recycled with the rest of your plastics and the jugs are easier to store in the fridge. Easier to transport, and really easy to use - just put the bag in the jug (which pierces the bag), close the jug, and you're all set.

[encrypted-tbn3.google.com image 295x171]


Really? OK:
1 - Bottled water provides portable, individual serving sizes. Bag o' fluid is bulk.
2 - Empty bottles recycle just as well as empty bags with the only possible difference is that they take more volume up in your recycle bin.
 
2012-06-19 11:29:17 AM  

Loreweaver: My complaint is isn't about them bottling filtered tap water. There was a need that they filled.

My complaint is that they are allowed to sell filtered tap water for MORE per ounce than sodas and other drinks, even though there is no way in hell it costs more to produce.

And before you say it's because filtering water costs money ... soda uses filtered water, too.


It's not them, it's the morons that look at it and say "Yeah, that's worth the money" and throw their credit cards at the bottled water industry.

Nevermind all the dirty bullshiat they pull on locals to access the water supply.

Seriously people need to stop buying this shiat. Buy a sports bottle, fill it with tap water, bring it with it.. You won't die.
 
2012-06-19 11:30:30 AM  
All US tap water is perfectly fine (with rare exceptions). If you're miffed at the clorate smell, get a farking pur or Brita tap-filter and STFU you goddamn nancies. The water in NYC is fine. The water in Bumfark, Kansas is fine. The water in a lot of third-word countries is not fine.

If you fall for Big Water's advertising and marketing you have failed as a consumer and as a human being.

/Knew someone that would buy a bottled water then keep the bottle and fill it with tap water and carry it around so he, in his words, could "fit in" with other Americans.
 
2012-06-19 11:31:24 AM  

ChrisDe: [cdn2.screenjunkies.com image 450x326]

"..and our stock price will go high!"


Came for this, thanks. ;)
 
2012-06-19 11:32:42 AM  
Sorry, but filtered water is a lot better and a lot more convenient, especially when your tap water tastes funky. The water here at my workplace is farking terrible, so I always bring bottled water to work.

Hate the flimsy bottles though. I know they're more environmentally friendly though, but I have to be very careful when opening the damn bottle for the first time or the flimsy thing will deform under the hand that's holding it steady and spill water all over when the cap is removed.
 
2012-06-19 11:33:21 AM  

FreakinB: This is actually a thing for me since they stopped providing paper cups for the coffee machines and coolers at work. I'll buy more expensive bottles of water simply because they have sturdier bottles that are better for re-use.


Try not to reuse plastic water bottles. Have an uncle working for a chemical company. He said all the harmful chemicals in the plastic come out during reuse.
 
2012-06-19 11:33:27 AM  

Calmamity: Tigger: environmentally pleasant side benefits.

You know what would be an even more environmentally pleasing benefit?

Not buying a goddamn bottle of water in the first place. That shiat comes right out of the faucet!


I think we all know that there is no magical flowing spring that this water comes from. But at least they go through the effort of filtering it. And that does make a big difference. I can't drink straight tap water anymore. It takes like too much chlorine and metal.

As far as the bottles go - good for them. Not only are they saving themselves money, they are doing so in a manner that helps the environment. That list of benefits ran pretty long...

On the other hand, my daughter has too much fun crinkling those bottles up, and it kinda drives me up the wall!
 
2012-06-19 11:34:59 AM  
ftfa: "Why vilify us, when we're the one that's healthiest and that has a lighter carbon footprint?"

Nice false dichotomy you got going there, douchebag. A little red herring thrown in for flavor too.
 
2012-06-19 11:35:00 AM  
grinding_journalist

In some places (within the US even!) the tap water is undrinkable, given the amount of treatment and filtration it has to go through just to make it nontoxic.

I'm calling horsepoop. Name the places (within the US even!) that you're referring to, please.
 
2012-06-19 11:35:58 AM  

Loreweaver: My complaint is isn't about them bottling filtered tap water. There was a need that they filled.

My complaint is that they are allowed to sell filtered tap water for MORE per ounce than sodas and other drinks, even though there is no way in hell it costs more to produce.

And before you say it's because filtering water costs money ... soda uses filtered water, too.


Oh boy...
 
2012-06-19 11:36:07 AM  

Zombalupagus: Here's a better idea America: Quit making disposable stuff out of permanent stuff.

Plastic is incredibly resilient yes is most commonly used for small items that are used only once and discarded. How backwards is that?

Milk used to come in cartons. Basically waxed paper. Alot of items could be made in something similar, like juice pouches. Those that cannot (for instance, soda due to the carbonation) can be made in bottles again. Screw the extra cost. Make it pay for itself. A water bottle or 20oz soda is already insanely expensive (a 20oz soda often costs more than a 2 liter bottle at a grocery store) so another 10 cents wont matter and to prevent people throwing the damn bottles away make the deposit crazy high, like 50 cents a bottle.

Speaking of disposable stuff, we have got to stop using aluminum for this kind of thing, too. Aluminum is actually pretty damn rare and takes a ridiculous amount of resources to extract from the ground.


The second half of your sentence stands but bauxite is very very common.
 
2012-06-19 11:37:02 AM  

organizmx: FreakinB: This is actually a thing for me since they stopped providing paper cups for the coffee machines and coolers at work. I'll buy more expensive bottles of water simply because they have sturdier bottles that are better for re-use.

Try not to reuse plastic water bottles. Have an uncle working for a chemical company. He said all the harmful chemicals in the plastic come out during reuse.


Ha. Wtf does that even mean? Sounds like industry propaghanda designed to keep people buying more bottles.
 
2012-06-19 11:37:59 AM  
You know in a lot of places in Europe, they wash and refill the soda bottles, rather than trying to recycle the materials into something else...

Have there been any credible studies as to which one is better, including all costs like transportation?
 
2012-06-19 11:38:11 AM  
Well that was 50% duh and 50% advertising for crisp, delicious, healthy, and ecologically friendly Poland Spring water.
 
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