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(CBS News)   Having ironed out their differences on all other issues of national importance, Harry Reid and John McCain have nothing better to do than to restore integrity to the sport of boxing   (cbsnews.com) divider line 61
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2012-06-19 03:27:00 AM
Basketball has a lot larger following, but maybe it's best that the senators start small.
 
2012-06-19 04:29:28 AM
While they are at it, I think pro wrestling might be fixed.
 
2012-06-19 04:45:57 AM
Boxing had integrity?
 
2012-06-19 06:25:41 AM
Way to be consistent in your committment to state's rights.
 
2012-06-19 07:28:44 AM
Well, Reid is from Nevada, so I can see why he might show an interest in this topic. The idea that boxing might be fixed hurts gambling, which in turn hurts Nevada. But I have no idea why McCain would jump onto this, other than maybe he's hoping to revive the long-dead Maverick image he had for himself a while back.
 
2012-06-19 08:37:04 AM

MmmmBacon: Well, Reid is from Nevada, so I can see why he might show an interest in this topic. The idea that boxing might be fixed hurts gambling, which in turn hurts Nevada. But I have no idea why McCain would jump onto this...


Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. This is a local issue for Reid, who just happens to be in a position where he can affect things.

As for McCain... maybe McCain lost a bundle during the last bout, where he picked Mike Tyson over Carol Channing.
 
2012-06-19 09:48:07 AM
Are we really going to be surprised that a Senator from Nevada is concerned about problems with boxing?
 
2012-06-19 10:39:25 AM

MmmmBacon: Well, Reid is from Nevada, so I can see why he might show an interest in this topic. The idea that boxing might be fixed hurts gambling, which in turn hurts Nevada. But I have no idea why McCain would jump onto this, other than maybe he's hoping to revive the long-dead Maverick image he had for himself a while back.


McCain has long had it in for UFC (he has worked to get it banned nationwide),
so this is a logical extension of his revulsion for "human cockfighting", as he
terms UFC.
 
2012-06-19 12:47:38 PM
The government looking into a multimillion dollar industry that appears to be corrupt-as-all-hell? Gasp! How dare they!?!?
 
2012-06-19 12:49:02 PM
Restore integrity to the sport of boxing? If you impose a dress code on the spectators it reduces the box office take.
 
2012-06-19 12:49:24 PM
The used to be a point in time when Congress could work on several issues at once. It's why they have all those various committees and such. Now, though, Congress is incapable of anything more than naming post offices because Republicans have literally shut down the entire system.
 
2012-06-19 12:50:41 PM
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No idea why this seemed relevant to me.
 
2012-06-19 12:50:48 PM

DjangoStonereaver: MmmmBacon: Well, Reid is from Nevada, so I can see why he might show an interest in this topic. The idea that boxing might be fixed hurts gambling, which in turn hurts Nevada. But I have no idea why McCain would jump onto this, other than maybe he's hoping to revive the long-dead Maverick image he had for himself a while back.

McCain has long had it in for UFC (he has worked to get it banned nationwide),
so this is a logical extension of his revulsion for "human cockfighting", as he
terms UFC.


Quite the opposite is true, actually. He termed the UFC that years ago, has since done a 180, and this is his way of maybe making up for some of that. He fancies himself a combat sports afficianado, but like 99% of people his age, he's far out of the loop and even further behind the times.
 
2012-06-19 12:51:07 PM
Still curious how much these two lost on the fight.
 
2012-06-19 12:51:11 PM

DjangoStonereaver: MmmmBacon: Well, Reid is from Nevada, so I can see why he might show an interest in this topic. The idea that boxing might be fixed hurts gambling, which in turn hurts Nevada. But I have no idea why McCain would jump onto this, other than maybe he's hoping to revive the long-dead Maverick image he had for himself a while back.

McCain has long had it in for UFC (he has worked to get it banned nationwide),
so this is a logical extension of his revulsion for "human cockfighting", as he
terms UFC.


I see it as him trying to keep boxinmg clean so it can better compete with UFC, well that or him being a crazy old man.
 
2012-06-19 12:52:19 PM

DjangoStonereaver: (he has worked to get it banned nationwide),


Ah yes, the party of small government.

/not applicable if what the biggest redneck here said is correct
 
2012-06-19 12:52:33 PM
This is more important than most of the stuff Congress is doing right now, so I don't see the problem. This is definitely a better use of time compared to Congress going after individual baseball players for doing steroids.
 
2012-06-19 12:56:10 PM
Shame really, congress was getting so much done prior to this derailment.
 
2012-06-19 12:57:42 PM
3, maybe even 4, decades too late.
 
2012-06-19 12:58:47 PM
Side note:

As much as McCain loves going to Vegas, he's a douche for supporting legislation that would have banned college sports betting in Nevada.

/You'll occasionally see him in the crowd during boxing PPVs.
 
2012-06-19 12:59:24 PM
Reid being interested makes sense. McCain, not so much.
 
2012-06-19 01:01:34 PM
I really don't understand the outrage over Reid having an opinion on this, given he represents Nevada. Seems completely in-line with what he should be doing.

If it was Al Franken, I might understand it, but Reid?

Anything to turn up the derp, I guess.
 
2012-06-19 01:07:18 PM
The problem isn't just appointing judges, it's that the current athletic commissions are basically useless. They need to hold the judges accountable for bad decision, such as the Bradley decision. Their excuse is "they were seasoned judges and we trust their judgement". They will keep using that excuse and nothing will change until there is an athletic commission that reviews decisions and judgements as more than just a dog and pony show. If this boxing commission they are planning transfers people from NSAC or whatever it isn't going to change a thing.

And for those saying this isn't a big deal, Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather were the two highest paid athletes in the entire world this past year, each making over 60 mil. There is a metric ass-ton of money in boxing, which is exactly why they need a transparent and legitimate nationwide athletic commission to watch over it.

/first step, blacklist Keith Kizer from any athletic commission in the U.S.
//even teeball
 
2012-06-19 01:07:27 PM
A Democrat and Republican working together. Yea, i can see why people could be outraged there.
 
2012-06-19 01:09:10 PM
I sometimes wonder who would win in a UFC match between McCain and Reid.

/Probably just me there, eh?
//Yes, waaay too much time.
 
2012-06-19 01:11:46 PM
I can't think of a more appropriate priority for a limited government than the regulation of conduct in sports.
 
2012-06-19 01:12:36 PM
fark boxing.

That being said, for the sport to survive, it needs 1 governing body. No more WBF, WBC, LOL, WTF, ETC... 1 entity. Set rules/schedule/purse. No more individual negotiations. The champ fights the #1 contender every x months. Winner gets 70%. Loser gets 30. Don't like it? Go flip burgers. Also, no judges. You go till someone loses, at least in championship fights.

It would drastically change the culture of the sport, but, it would be for the best. Instead of people wondering if Paquiao (sp)/Maywether (sp) will ever happen, it would be a matter of counting down the days, and there would be no doubt (or at least minimal) both fighters aren't giving it 100%.

It will never happen, but thats why the sport will fade into obscurity.
 
2012-06-19 01:13:53 PM

THX 1138: I can't think of a more appropriate priority for a limited government than the regulation of conduct in sports.


Considering the fact that money is bet and spent to view these sports and the public has a reasonable expectation that the results are not fixed, seems a wholly appropriate regulation.

Boxing is not pro-wrestling. Fixing outcomes is fraudulent.
 
2012-06-19 01:14:23 PM
It isn't like they're going to get anything important done, is it?
 
2012-06-19 01:14:40 PM

THX 1138: regulation of conduct in sports.


I believe the govt regulates fights, plus the govt does have an interest in fixed fights in Vegas that involve gambling.
 
2012-06-19 01:16:24 PM

jcooli09: It isn't like they're going to get anything important done, is it?


For real, they really need to go back to political posturing and getting nothing done.
 
2012-06-19 01:19:02 PM

liam76: DjangoStonereaver: MmmmBacon: Well, Reid is from Nevada, so I can see why he might show an interest in this topic. The idea that boxing might be fixed hurts gambling, which in turn hurts Nevada. But I have no idea why McCain would jump onto this, other than maybe he's hoping to revive the long-dead Maverick image he had for himself a while back.

McCain has long had it in for UFC (he has worked to get it banned nationwide),
so this is a logical extension of his revulsion for "human cockfighting", as he
terms UFC.

I see it as him trying to keep boxinmg clean so it can better compete with UFC, well that or him being a crazy old man.


McCain used to box while he was in the Navy. It makes sense for him to look down his nose at a rival sport like UFC, especially in the early 90s when it deliberately hyped up its indie image of "anything at all goes" Now it's branded, merchandised and seems lamer than anything.

Plus I have a family of in-law filipinos who are outraged at the Pacquiao fight. If this bill makes them happy and producing more lumpia for me and the missus, so be it.

/The Pacquiao fight decision does stink to high heaven.
 
2012-06-19 01:23:18 PM

skullkrusher: Considering the fact that money is bet and spent to view these sports and the public has a reasonable expectation that the results are not fixed, seems a wholly appropriate regulation.

Boxing is not pro-wrestling. Fixing outcomes is fraudulent.


And yet basketball continues on its merry way.
 
2012-06-19 01:25:32 PM
Also, government has no business in sports. Gets your noses out of the NCAA, NFL, MLB, My backyard gladiator arena, NBA, ... Publically denounce it as being a sham, and move on to shiat that actually matters. If its corrupt/fixed, quit paying attention to it. Leave it to fools.
 
2012-06-19 01:26:48 PM

buckeyebrain: skullkrusher: Considering the fact that money is bet and spent to view these sports and the public has a reasonable expectation that the results are not fixed, seems a wholly appropriate regulation.

Boxing is not pro-wrestling. Fixing outcomes is fraudulent.

And yet basketball continues on its merry way.


what's that?
 
2012-06-19 01:27:21 PM
If the noble art of fisticuffs is to be redeemed then it is Marquis of Queensbury rules or none at all!
 
2012-06-19 01:28:45 PM
Right why would a senator of Nevada, be concerned about boxing?

Do you people understand how big boxing is in Las Vegas? You sound like an idiot pretending that it's not a big deal for that state.
 
2012-06-19 01:30:12 PM

Sgygus: Basketball has a lot larger following, but maybe it's best that the senators start small.


You've never been to Las Vegas for a big fight have you?

Yes March Madness and the Super Bowl is bigger but boxing is huge in Vegas and they have much of the boxing there too unlike the other sports.
 
2012-06-19 01:31:31 PM

iron_city_ap: Also, government has no business in sports. Gets your noses out of the NCAA, NFL, MLB, My backyard gladiator arena, NBA, ... Publically denounce it as being a sham, and move on to shiat that actually matters. If its corrupt/fixed, quit paying attention to it. Leave it to fools.


So then committing fraud in gambling is ok with you and not a place for government regulation?

Government should not be involved in regulating gambling at all?
 
2012-06-19 01:31:59 PM

quatchi: I sometimes wonder who would win in a UFC match between McCain and Reid.



It would end up being a lemon party, so we'd all lose.
 
2012-06-19 01:32:58 PM

Corvus: Right why would a senator of Nevada, be concerned about boxing?

Do you people understand how big boxing is in Las Vegas? You sound like an idiot pretending that it's not a big deal for that state.



Seconded. I'm not a fan of Harry Reid, but I'm with him on this.
 
2012-06-19 01:33:30 PM

FreakinB: Are we really going to be surprised that a Senator from Nevada is concerned about problems with boxing?


These people have no idea what they are talking about and I doubt have ever been to Vegas during a fight or even understand the amount of money that get bet on these fights.
 
2012-06-19 01:33:55 PM

skullkrusher: buckeyebrain: skullkrusher: Considering the fact that money is bet and spent to view these sports and the public has a reasonable expectation that the results are not fixed, seems a wholly appropriate regulation.

Boxing is not pro-wrestling. Fixing outcomes is fraudulent.

And yet basketball continues on its merry way.

what's that?


Have you not heard that theory before? I don't even follow the NBA and that's something I've heard buzzing around the rumor mill for years.

The 2002 Kings / Lakers games is one of the more infamous to push the theory.
 
2012-06-19 01:37:54 PM

MmmmBacon: But I have no idea why McCain would jump onto this,



1) TFA mentioned that he boxed during his Navy days.

2) I've seen him in the crowd during more than one boxing PPV.
 
2012-06-19 01:50:15 PM
You know what would bring back the popularity of boxing? Bring back ABCs Wide WORLD of Sports on Saturday afternoon. Have an occasional championship fight on REGULAR TV on a Friday night.

UFC is popular in part, because they have a lot of matches (and the reality show) on basic cable. If you never get at least a taste of a sport on regular TV (or free & legal streaming), you'll never be interested enough to buy the PPV.

Sure, there are serious issues with judges and corrupt commissions/regulators, but when you're forced to pay for every good fight, sooner or later you just say "Screw this".
 
2012-06-19 01:51:25 PM
The idea of restoring integrity presumes that boxing had any integrity to begin with.
 
2012-06-19 02:07:47 PM
Does this mean we're finally killing Don King on PPV?
 
2012-06-19 02:08:44 PM

EighthDay: skullkrusher: buckeyebrain: skullkrusher: Considering the fact that money is bet and spent to view these sports and the public has a reasonable expectation that the results are not fixed, seems a wholly appropriate regulation.

Boxing is not pro-wrestling. Fixing outcomes is fraudulent.

And yet basketball continues on its merry way.

what's that?

Have you not heard that theory before? I don't even follow the NBA and that's something I've heard buzzing around the rumor mill for years.

The 2002 Kings / Lakers games is one of the more infamous to push the theory.


hehe I meant what's basketball :)
 
2012-06-19 02:09:33 PM

Craptastic: You know what would bring back the popularity of boxing? Bring back ABCs Wide WORLD of Sports on Saturday afternoon. Have an occasional championship fight on REGULAR TV on a Friday night.

UFC is popular in part, because they have a lot of matches (and the reality show) on basic cable. If you never get at least a taste of a sport on regular TV (or free & legal streaming), you'll never be interested enough to buy the PPV.

Sure, there are serious issues with judges and corrupt commissions/regulators, but when you're forced to pay for every good fight, sooner or later you just say "Screw this".


Making fights helps as well. I'm one of many who bag on Dana White for his public approach but we still give him credit for making the fights that everyone wants to see happen(barring injury).
 
2012-06-19 02:35:03 PM

Flappyhead: Craptastic: You know what would bring back the popularity of boxing? Bring back ABCs Wide WORLD of Sports on Saturday afternoon. Have an occasional championship fight on REGULAR TV on a Friday night.

UFC is popular in part, because they have a lot of matches (and the reality show) on basic cable. If you never get at least a taste of a sport on regular TV (or free & legal streaming), you'll never be interested enough to buy the PPV.

Sure, there are serious issues with judges and corrupt commissions/regulators, but when you're forced to pay for every good fight, sooner or later you just say "Screw this".

Making fights helps as well. I'm one of many who bag on Dana White for his public approach but we still give him credit for making the fights that everyone wants to see happen(barring injury).


Yeah. That too. Dana is a big giant douche, but that guy know how to market his sport in a way that generates interest. I *love* the sport of boxing. I grew up watching Ali, Foreman, and Frasier... Later Sugar Ray Leonard, Hearns, Hagler... Even later, Tyson, Holyfield, Camacho, Tito, De La Hoya.

But my interest in boxing has been waning for a long time. If the various boxing organizations want the sport to be more popular, MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE. You only generate new fans and interest if people can actually watch good fights without having sell blood to afford it.
 
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