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2012-06-18 10:14:33 PM
FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?
 
2012-06-18 11:32:10 PM
...was the kid still naked when it was time for the special hug?
 
2012-06-18 11:57:46 PM
Hey NC, it's "in locus parentis" not "in locus penis".
 
rmz
2012-06-19 01:52:16 AM
Non-story, overzealous principal?
 
2012-06-19 01:53:06 AM
Ahhh, NC. Marry your cousin, strip search some students, hate the gays. All in a day's work.
 
2012-06-19 01:54:10 AM
"She came up to him and rubbed her fingers around inside of his underwear"....
 
2012-06-19 01:54:24 AM
"She came up to him and rubbed her fingers around inside of his underwear," Cox said.

Go on.

/Cox
 
2012-06-19 01:56:32 AM
You never think, man, that could be my kid. It's always some other misbehaving kid. It's that brat that lives next door. It's that hooligan from across the street. It's that black kid who doesn't have a dad living with him.

But if you start letting principals and authority figures treat other kids like this, then it's only a matter of time before they use that power to terrorize your kid. Maybe it was stealing today, but the bar lowers each time. Next time it will be copying homework. Or pulling a girl's pigtails. Or dropping a pencil in class.

This principal needs to be summarily dismissed. farking jackbooted pedophile.
 
2012-06-19 01:58:27 AM
Sounds like the Principal went to Penn State
 
2012-06-19 02:00:17 AM
Kids falsely accused of theft should be permitted to deliver a full blown kick in the junk to their accusers.
 
2012-06-19 02:01:02 AM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


From what I understand just about everywhere in the U.S only the police and prison officials can perform strip searches, and those are in very specific circumstances. And then you have this situation were a minor is involved. How in the hell does the school board think it is legal for them to strip search a minor without parental consent? The police can't even question a minor without consent.
 
2012-06-19 02:01:04 AM
Not that it changes much, but...

Why did a third grader have 20 bucks at school?
 
2012-06-19 02:02:14 AM
How on Earth, in this day and age of paranoia about child molestation, where kids can't walk to school and anyone who looks at a child wrong is thrown in prison...how are school officials legally allowed to strip search a child?

How does an accusation of stealing $20 overpower the concerns of every single parent with regard to their child's safety?

Apparently people don't pay any attention to what the rules are, or they just think that it's the "other kids" or the "kids who are doing bad things" that will get strip-searched. Or the school shootings have made people think it's necessary. Still, hopefully the fact that it was done over a missing $20 will spark some reform. Such as the replacement of the entire school board that deemed the principal's actions legal.
 
2012-06-19 02:04:48 AM
Principal Sandusky?
 
2012-06-19 02:05:39 AM
her 10-year-old son, Justin, a student at Union Elementary School, was ordered to take off everything but his T-shirt and boxer shorts on June 1 after a girl and several other students accused him of taking $20

still have clothes on? not a strip search. There's always some dumb kid throwing away some inconsequential sum of money in school that is a life-changing amount to a kid. Why is a ten year old even carrying twenty dollars?

Sampson County Schools spokeswoman Susan Warren says Cox should have been informed about the search but that Holmes did nothing wrong and that a male janitor was present for the search.

Not really helping yer case there.
 
2012-06-19 02:06:26 AM
Wait, ten years old and in the 3rd grade? I started first grade at 5 years old because of a late year birthday. So I was 8 in 3rd grade. Now doing the math, lets say young master thief is 10 now, 9 in 2nd grade, 8 in first grade. Something doesn't add up there.
 
2012-06-19 02:07:48 AM
I'd come down on that school like a bag of hammers.
 
2012-06-19 02:10:39 AM
'Oh god. 20 dollars is missing. These 3rd graders said it was this 3rd grader...what do I do... This could make or break me'

"So, could you please start taking your clothes off? Don't worry, the janitor is here watching, and he's a guy."
 
2012-06-19 02:11:38 AM
Those comments from the article are incredible. It's hard to believe that people are ok with a school admin strip searching students.
 
2012-06-19 02:12:53 AM
So if a male principal strip searched a 10-year-old girl while a female janitor watched, that would have been okay too? What the fark is wrong with people?

Actually, regardless of the genders involved, what the fark is wrong with these people?
 
2012-06-19 02:18:18 AM
Was the third grader-strip searched as well?

/just in case
 
2012-06-19 02:20:58 AM

I sound fat: Not that it changes much, but...

Why did a third grader have 20 bucks at school?


Some little girl wanted to use it to set up a boy she hates for a strip-search.
 
2012-06-19 02:26:51 AM

ongbok: From what I understand just about everywhere in the U.S only the police and prison officials can perform strip searches, and those are in very specific circumstances.


Not anymore:

Supreme Court Ruling Allows Strip Searches for Any Arrest
 
2012-06-19 02:28:52 AM
Another principal outsmarted by children. I wish this was rare.
 
2012-06-19 02:29:34 AM
Have a friend tell the teacher: "I saw little Suzy Accuse-y stuff/hide a little baggie of white powder in her clothes. I wonder what it could be?"
 
2012-06-19 02:29:42 AM
www3.picturepush.com
 
2012-06-19 02:31:00 AM

fusillade762: ongbok: From what I understand just about everywhere in the U.S only the police and prison officials can perform strip searches, and those are in very specific circumstances.

Not anymore:

Supreme Court Ruling Allows Strip Searches for Any Arrest


The principal wasn't a cop and the kid wasn't under arrest.
 
2012-06-19 02:34:08 AM
Not acceptable.

At all.
 
2012-06-19 02:39:58 AM
Being in and from NC. I must condone we are not all this stupid. I felt this needed to be said after the state seems to be stuck in a time warp, first banning gay marriage then banning rights in general. WTF NC WTF?
 
2012-06-19 02:40:25 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: This principal needs to be summarily dismissed. farking jackbooted pedophile.


This was a grown woman feeling up a little boy, everyone in the news and law enforcement thinks that's a-okay!
 
2012-06-19 02:41:23 AM

moothemagiccow: her 10-year-old son, Justin, a student at Union Elementary School, was ordered to take off everything but his T-shirt and boxer shorts on June 1 after a girl and several other students accused him of taking $20

still have clothes on? not a strip search. There's always some dumb kid throwing away some inconsequential sum of money in school that is a life-changing amount to a kid. Why is a ten year old even carrying twenty dollars?

Sampson County Schools spokeswoman Susan Warren says Cox should have been informed about the search but that Holmes did nothing wrong and that a male janitor was present for the search.

Not really helping yer case there.


1) You're a farking idiot if you think a strip search means you have to take everything off. Are strip clubs full nude only?
2) They violated a few legal precedents and I hope they are taken to task by the mother/aclu. The assistant principal needs to lose her job at the very least.
 
2012-06-19 02:42:40 AM

ongbok: fusillade762: ongbok: From what I understand just about everywhere in the U.S only the police and prison officials can perform strip searches, and those are in very specific circumstances.

Not anymore:

Supreme Court Ruling Allows Strip Searches for Any Arrest

The principal wasn't a cop and the kid wasn't under arrest.


Maybe you want to re-read the post I was replying to.
 
2012-06-19 02:44:56 AM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


NC needs to check recent Supreme Court rulings, they don't have legal right to strip search students. Dumbasses....

Article about the court ruling.
 
2012-06-19 02:49:00 AM
The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search

They are betting that the school "law" trumps natinal law now?
 
2012-06-19 02:49:53 AM
national, god damnit.

/Imagine the outrage if the genders had been reversed
 
2012-06-19 02:54:38 AM
Back when adults had moral authority and weren't just big old immature people as they are now, one or two of them could have looked that boy in the eye, summoned up their sternest tone of voice, and IF he were guilty, his lip would be quavering in a minute.
If his answer was still a firm "no ma'am," they also would have recognized that.

But today, we have strip searches. I say the Germans won.
 
2012-06-19 03:02:22 AM

Surool: AverageAmericanGuy: This principal needs to be summarily dismissed. farking jackbooted pedophile.

This was a grown woman feeling up a little boy, everyone in the news and law enforcement thinks that's a-okay!


It's farking sick, that's what it is. This isn't some young teacher raping a teenager. This is a small kid getting molested against his will.
 
2012-06-19 03:30:34 AM
Yeah, NO!
 
2012-06-19 03:58:22 AM
how many third graders can you take in a fight? i can beat off 50!
 
2012-06-19 03:59:04 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Surool: AverageAmericanGuy: This principal needs to be summarily dismissed. farking jackbooted pedophile.

This was a grown woman feeling up a little boy, everyone in the news and law enforcement thinks that's a-okay!

It's farking sick, that's what it is. This isn't some young teacher raping a teenager. This is a small kid getting molested against his will.


Imagine that was a male principal doing that to a kid of either sex.
 
2012-06-19 04:04:15 AM
Fark doesn't have a CREEPY tag yet?
 
2012-06-19 04:09:22 AM
Anyone else notice this?
"Justin told his mother that a girl dropped the money and that he picked it up and gave it back to her, she said."
So why the strip search?
 
2012-06-19 04:12:14 AM
wwwcache.wral.com


they call it "the Sandusky look"
 
2012-06-19 04:18:18 AM
Was the vice principal hot?
 
2012-06-19 04:22:34 AM
Well at least the media didn't compound the violation by publishing the victim's picture.

Oh, wait...
 
2012-06-19 04:25:14 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Back when adults had moral authority and weren't just big old immature people as they are now, one or two of them could have looked that boy in the eye, summoned up their sternest tone of voice, and IF he were guilty, his lip would be quavering in a minute.
If his answer was still a firm "no ma'am," they also would have recognized that.

But today, we have strip searches. I say the Germans won.


damm good point! it's easy to forget what it was like way back when but you've summed it up perfectly. a typical child would come clean about something when questioned by authority. maybe this case, if it is pursued, will bring about some set standards on how such things are to be handled in the future.
 
2012-06-19 04:34:41 AM

lanmac: Being in and from NC. I must condone we are not all this stupid. I felt this needed to be said after the state seems to be stuck in a time warp, first banning gay marriage then banning rights in general. WTF NC WTF?


Condone. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
2012-06-19 04:37:17 AM

fusillade762: ongbok: From what I understand just about everywhere in the U.S only the police and prison officials can perform strip searches, and those are in very specific circumstances.

Not anymore:

Supreme Court Ruling Allows Strip Searches for Any Arrest


And see, and thats fine, if youre arresting someone and putting them in lockup, you want to make sure they dont have a shiv tucked in their asscrack or a bag of drugs under their taint. Thats ok.

This was a 10 year old child who was not under arrest and was strip searched by a school administrator. Two completely different issues.
 
2012-06-19 04:47:34 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: But if you start letting principals and authority figures treat other kids like this, then it's only a matter of time before they use that power to terrorize your kid.


fark you.

I wouldn't strip search a kid if I KNEW the farker had drugs keistered. Teachers don't make enough money to deal with hellspawn as it is. Dealing with something like this? fark that. You could give me carte blanche to do it, or even make it a job requirement. Not gonna do it. fark that noise. Not worth it.

When it looks like it's a good time to strip search a kid, take a long step back and reevaluate your life, because son you just hit rock fuggin' bottom.
 
2012-06-19 04:52:25 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: lanmac: Being in and from NC. I must condone we are not all this stupid. I felt this needed to be said after the state seems to be stuck in a time warp, first banning gay marriage then banning rights in general. WTF NC WTF?

Condone. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.


damn it this is why i should not post at 3-4ish in the morn.

EDIT: I do not condone....
 
2012-06-19 05:03:50 AM
Where's the pic of the Assistant Principal?

Whar pic whar?
 
2012-06-19 05:09:39 AM
I didn't take any money either.
 
2012-06-19 05:39:36 AM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


What you said!

If someone at a school did this to my child, you can believe they would never be able to do it to another before I was done with the issue.
 
2012-06-19 05:47:27 AM
It's all or nothing, isn't it? Either we have schools being sued because the Celebration of Differences didn't include the RIGHT Inuit whale bone tossing game or we have principals going colon spelunking on pre-teens over a missing Monopoly race car.
 
2012-06-19 05:48:21 AM

lanmac: Coming on a Bicycle: lanmac: Being in and from NC. I must condone we are not all this stupid. I felt this needed to be said after the state seems to be stuck in a time warp, first banning gay marriage then banning rights in general. WTF NC WTF?

Condone. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

damn it this is why i should not post at 3-4ish in the morn.

EDIT: I do not condone....


Nope... stiiiill not the right word.
 
2012-06-19 06:23:05 AM
Is it really a strip search if the kid wasn't stripped?
 
2012-06-19 06:27:16 AM

Grables'Daughter: I didn't take any money either.


Thats a damn lie an you know it!!

Now, spread em'.... ;)

An don't worry a male janitor is here to watch..

lol
 
2012-06-19 06:49:13 AM
"The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said.

Uhhhhh no. It's not legal at any school in the US to order a boy to take off his pants and then to stick your fingers down his underwear. The bad publicity will soon have you apologizing and probably losing your job.
 
2012-06-19 06:51:32 AM
Look on the bright side. With the right lawyer, the kid is going to get his very own six figure college fund
 
2012-06-19 06:57:15 AM

CasperImproved: FormlessOne: [snip]

If someone at a school did this to my child, you can believe they would never be able to do it to another before I was done with the issue.


something like this:

(walks into assistant principals office) "Would you please explain to me exactly why you felt the need to strip search my child?" (halfway through the explanation) "the shirt. lose the shirt. explain it to me again." (process repeats until a sufficiently embarrassing state of undress is reached, and then they're frogmarched through the halls of the school, and maybe the streets outside)
 
2012-06-19 07:13:23 AM

kd1s: Wait, ten years old and in the 3rd grade? I started first grade at 5 years old because of a late year birthday. So I was 8 in 3rd grade. Now doing the math, lets say young master thief is 10 now, 9 in 2nd grade, 8 in first grade. Something doesn't add up there.



5 plus equals the age that most of the kids are when they start the grade. But kids have birthdays, so add 6 to the grade level to get the age most of the kids are when they finish the grade.

The something that doesn't add up for you is that this kid got held back one time--just once. Probably needed math remediation, which isn't that unusual, now is it?
 
2012-06-19 07:23:06 AM

ongbok: fusillade762: ongbok: From what I understand just about everywhere in the U.S only the police and prison officials can perform strip searches, and those are in very specific circumstances.

Not anymore:

Supreme Court Ruling Allows Strip Searches for Any Arrest

The principal wasn't a cop and the kid wasn't under arrest.


You need more than Justice Thomas to strip-search kids, asswipe!
 
2012-06-19 07:25:46 AM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


The police can also question a minor without parental consent or permission.
 
2012-06-19 07:33:35 AM
He got off easy. She could have done a body cavity search.
 
2012-06-19 07:37:31 AM
You don't usually it that way, a female adult molesting a young male child.
 
2012-06-19 07:37:45 AM

Revmachine21: FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?

NC needs to check recent Supreme Court rulings, they don't have legal right to strip search students. Dumbasses....

Article about the court ruling.



Actually, the Supreme Court specifically said that the problem with the search of Savana Redding is that it was done in such a way as to expose her breasts and genitalia. They also ruled that the school administrators are protected from individual liability. So as messed up as this situation is, it sounds like this boy's case would not fit into that narrow precedent. And even if it did there would be no legal grounds for suing for the Assistant Principal to be fired.

Teach your kids to refuse to cooperate with a strip search from anybody unless you are there.
 
2012-06-19 07:50:39 AM

ongbok: Those comments from the article are incredible. It's hard to believe that people are ok with a school admin strip searching students.


It's WRAL, commentors there can turn any story into a rant against Obama. Seems they've taken a more sexist tone with this one. Still bat S crazy but a different path for once.
 
2012-06-19 07:52:43 AM
It seems we need a North Carolina tag. They are outdoing Florida more and more.
 
2012-06-19 07:56:37 AM
Hmmm...a 10 year old boy gets strip searched by a female principal and Fark is outraged. Had the principal gotten naked too and had sex with the kid, Fark would be high fiving each other over how lucky the kid is.

No, I'm not exaggerating.
 
2012-06-19 08:00:27 AM
Sounds like that school needs to find a body out behind the play yard.

I can't even imagine how much rage I'd have if I found out some power-tripping school official did this to my kid, but at the very least I'd be hauled off the school property for cracking walls with my enraged yelling.
 
2012-06-19 08:12:18 AM
I know there is a lot of outrage here, but imagine if the genders were reversed here with the exact same circumstances. Nancy Grace would be calling for the male asst principle's head!
 
2012-06-19 08:15:24 AM
Hi kids. I'm your Principal. Today, were going to learn about the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution. These are known as the Bill of Rights... Yes, Little Johnny?

What about the 4th?

Doesn't pertain here. Now the 1st Amendment pertains to a free press. But you can't post stuff on Facebook that is 'inflammatory'. That means stuff that I don't like. So you might as well forget about this one.

The second amendment has to do with the inalienable right to bear arms. But as you know, if you bring tweezers in here, you get suspended. So 2 is a goner also.

Number 3 is important. No soldiers may be quartered in your home. If you go home and the President has put a bunch of soldiers in your house, you are legally required to tell me about it. Got it? This doesn't pertain to your crazy Uncle Frank who just did his fifth tour in Iraqistan. He's allowed to sleep on the couch and play "Angry Birds" all day.

Number four is a non-starter. Not yours.

Your assignment is to Wiki the rest of 'em. I think I need to strip search Sandy. Saw her do a furtive movement. That's the only reason I need. Sandy, please go to the Interrogation Office.

You mean your minivan, Mister Principal?

Yes.
 
2012-06-19 08:17:50 AM
Sampson County Schools spokeswoman Susan Warren says Cox should have been informed about the search but that Holmes did nothing wrong and that a male janitor was present for the search.

images.wikia.com

Scruffy says "check the peenie area slowly. Slowly. Now hug 'im."
 
2012-06-19 08:26:44 AM
FormlessOne

FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


If the topic was not so sick, the fact that you think this is isolated to NC would be hilarious. Do you have kids by chance? I only ask, because it's legal in your state too.

I'll assume the same pervs that supported the school showering an 8 year old in yesterday's thread will be here to support this perversion as well.
 
2012-06-19 08:27:39 AM

A-ron: Grables'Daughter: I didn't take any money either.

Thats a damn lie an you know it!!

Now, spread em'.... ;)

An don't worry a male janitor is here to watch..

lol


Is it Jack the Janitor?
 
2012-06-19 08:31:33 AM
I am from North Carolina and when the Democrat govenor blew a billion dollar surplus, on "smart start," they decided to economize and have the residents at the insane asylums teach public schools. So far it is working great: test scores are up, the kids are getting off Ritalin as the crazies, (er ah "teachers,"), are swiping the meds, and discipline problems are diminshed as the crazies, (er ah "teachers)," are running with scissors and the students are respectful (fearful), of the crazies, (er ah "teachers").

Okay, occassionallly as you see here we do have an issue with one of the crazies, (er ah "teachers"), having physical intimacy issues and strip searching one of their young charges. But other than that "it is the end of the world as we know it, and we are feeling fine!"

Bonus, the legislators are able to reason with the crazies, (er ah "teachers"), as they aremore reasonable than the NC Educators Association, (union).
 
2012-06-19 08:36:08 AM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


Does this "Warren" speak the truth or is this "Warren" in full cya mode?
 
2012-06-19 08:45:25 AM
when i was in school, this sort of thing was done if it was necessary. no one was traumatized. no one was fired. and by god, if someone stole, and had the stolen article on their person, it was found.

I am 40 years old. I have three kids. If one of my kids to this DAY was accused of stealing, and didn't do it (of course my kids were raised correctly and don't steal), they would probably be yanking their pants off and throwing them at the principal, yelling "check my pockets".

some of you people need to toughen up. this kid was not traumatized by this. hell, by the time the kid got home the actual incident was probably mostly forgotten. a search isn't going to destroy his life. on the other hand - when he was searched and nothing found, the parents of the child needed to tell the principal "don't accuse my child again with no proof".
 
2012-06-19 08:47:57 AM

OtherLittleGuy: ongbok: fusillade762: ongbok: From what I understand just about everywhere in the U.S only the police and prison officials can perform strip searches, and those are in very specific circumstances.

Not anymore:

Supreme Court Ruling Allows Strip Searches for Any Arrest

The principal wasn't a cop and the kid wasn't under arrest.

You need more than Justice Thomas to strip-search kids, asswipe!


You shouldn't use "asswipe" and "strip-search" in the same sentence.
 
2012-06-19 08:51:34 AM
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Now that that's out of the way I'll explain.

I found myself saying "so what?" 5 or six times as I read the article. Then I stopped and thought about it some more. The truth is that this was an intrusion and should not have been allowed.

But having been groped by the TSA over 5 times this year alone I have become desensitized to this sort of thing. It hardly seems out of the ordinary.
 
2012-06-19 08:55:24 AM
And yet, you all fly the friendly skies. . . .
 
2012-06-19 09:11:29 AM
Leeds
...t having been groped by the TSA over 5 times this year alone I have become desensitized to this sort of thing. It hardly seems out of the ordinary....

Rrrrrrribit
i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-19 09:13:50 AM
Oviously Teresa Holmes, the "adult" in this story is a close relative of the immortal John Holmes and was simply doing some precasting for a new long shlong xxx flick.

Too bad there wasn't a male principal handy, he could have strip searched the accusing girls in this story, according to the pattern established.

And what mysterious force stopped the woman from making it a full cavity search.

i254.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-19 09:19:54 AM
I don't understand why this is even a discussion:

No. Schools should never ask a student to remove any clothing in the presence of a staff member. Ever. Fact. Science. Fin. Even the police can't perform a strip search unless your arrested, what on God's green earth makes school departments think this would ever be kosher?

Parents, use this as a teaching tool:

Mom & Dad: "Now what do you say if anyone at school tells you that you have to take off your clothes?"

3rd Grader: "No. Call my Mom. Now."

or

High Schooler: "LOLZ. I'm calling my Dad. Touch me, pervo, and I'll punt you in the cubes."
 
2012-06-19 09:28:21 AM
Gee, do you think there might be repercussions of making strip searches part of everyday life?
I mean, they do it all day long at the airport, why not at school, or the movies, or to buy dangerous stuff like gasoline?
 
2012-06-19 09:32:45 AM
Double Standards: If it was a male teacher he would be in jail. Since it was a female they claim "legal authority".

/farked up regardless
 
2012-06-19 09:42:13 AM

Coming on a Bicycle: lanmac: Being in and from NC. I must condone we are not all this stupid. I felt this needed to be said after the state seems to be stuck in a time warp, first banning gay marriage then banning rights in general. WTF NC WTF?

Condone. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.


Go easy on him, he said he's from NC.
 
2012-06-19 09:43:04 AM

JWideman: Anyone else notice this?
"Justin told his mother that a girl dropped the money and that he picked it up and gave it back to her, she said."
So why the strip search?


Because school administrators are rejected mall cops.
 
2012-06-19 09:44:46 AM

Endive Wombat: I know there is a lot of outrage here, but imagine if the genders were reversed here with the exact same circumstances. Nancy Grace would be calling for the male asst principle's head!


To the blackboard Miss Wombat...
 
2012-06-19 09:49:28 AM

moothemagiccow: Sampson County Schools spokeswoman Susan Warren says Cox should have been informed about the search but that Holmes did nothing wrong and that a male janitor was present for the search.

Not really helping yer case there.


You're forgetting that a janitor in North Carolina is a Doctorate in West Virginia.

/seriously, that line in the story kinda stunned me too
 
2012-06-19 09:56:49 AM

Cyno01: And see, and thats fine, if youre arresting someone and putting them in lockup, you want to make sure they dont have a shiv tucked in their asscrack or a bag of drugs under their taint. Thats ok.


Actually, there was a pretty f--king big outcry over that decision, but whatever. It'll never happen to you where you're arrested and not charged and get the joy of a strip search, I'm sure.

/Because metal detectors don't exist.
 
2012-06-19 10:02:13 AM
This is an America problem, not an NC problem.

School administrators get a hell of a lot of power over people with severely circumscribed rights (thanks SCOTUS). The job attracts a certain kind of wannabe dictator, and it encourages over-zealousness. Unless your state has a law specifically outlawing student strip searches or some sort of screening process to weed out assholes from being hired as school administrators, then this sort of crap could just as easily happen near you.

The 4th amendment's been gutted (thanks SCOTUS), but there are a handful of actions that are still shocking enough to get the federal court to pull its head out of the sand and do something. Even with Redding's narrow holding its worth bringing suit. There's nothing in Redding to prevent the precedent from being expanded to cover situations that don't result in complete nudity. Additionally, the law often creates a scale for children based on their age, so a 10 year old may be due a greater degree of care than a 13 year old. The immunity from private liability is definitely a hindrance (thanks SCOTUS), but you can still sue the administrator in her official capacity. Sucks to take money away from struggling schools, but the brass is backing the search, so the only way to get some resolution is to go for the pocketbook.
 
2012-06-19 10:09:33 AM
Is the principal trying out for as job at a Catholic school or the TSA?
 
2012-06-19 10:34:13 AM

frepnog: when i was in school, this sort of thing was done if it was necessary. no one was traumatized. no one was fired. and by god, if someone stole, and had the stolen article on their person, it was found.

I am 40 years old. I have three kids. If one of my kids to this DAY was accused of stealing, and didn't do it (of course my kids were raised correctly and don't steal), they would probably be yanking their pants off and throwing them at the principal, yelling "check my pockets".

some of you people need to toughen up. this kid was not traumatized by this. hell, by the time the kid got home the actual incident was probably mostly forgotten. a search isn't going to destroy his life. on the other hand - when he was searched and nothing found, the parents of the child needed to tell the principal "don't accuse my child again with no proof".


Patronick313: I don't understand why this is even a discussion:

No. Schools should never ask a student to remove any clothing in the presence of a staff member. Ever. Fact. Science. Fin. Even the police can't perform a strip search unless your arrested, what on God's green earth makes school departments think this would ever be kosher?

Parents, use this as a teaching tool:

Mom & Dad: "Now what do you say if anyone at school tells you that you have to take off your clothes?"

3rd Grader: "No. Call my Mom. Now."

or

High Schooler: "LOLZ. I'm calling my Dad. Touch me, pervo, and I'll punt you in the cubes."


My kid at any age..

Txt; "Daddy, the principal wants me to take my clothes off, what should I do."
Reply: "Tell him, "Dad's been called and he says you had better prepare to take 28" of shotgun barrel up your a$$ by the time he gets here."
 
2012-06-19 10:38:14 AM

ongbok: Those comments from the article are incredible. It's hard to believe that people are ok with a school admin strip searching students.


Dude, it's the WRAL comments board. Those people aren't even functionally retarded. I seriously wonder how they dress themselves in the mornings.
 
2012-06-19 10:42:06 AM
So, if I were looking to become a Principal in North Carolina, what would I need to do, aside from the blindingly obvious "Move to North Carolina". It seems there are young bodies...minds in need of my hands...guidance....
 
2012-06-19 10:53:53 AM
Holmes did nothing wrong and that a male janitor was present for the search.

What, the creepy bus driver wasn't available? I assume when strip-searching females, they call in the lunch lady to oversee things?
 
2012-06-19 10:54:44 AM
So the principal was within her legal right to do the search.

I am no legal scholar but I would assume the bill of rights extends to 3rd graders. Was she holding him in custody at the time? Did she advise him of his legal rights (miranda) concerning the search or any subsequent statements that he may have made concerning the missing $20?

I am all for the non coddling of the kiddies, but the pretense for the search seems thin and the accusure seems like a little biatch
 
2012-06-19 10:56:12 AM

RobSeace: Holmes did nothing wrong and that a male janitor was present for the search.

What, the creepy bus driver wasn't available? I assume when strip-searching females, they call in the lunch lady to oversee things?



It's an elementary school for crissakes. There are very few men at most elementary schools. A janitor, maybe a gym teacher or music teacher (who are currently in class), that's about it. They're just trying to establish that there was a school employee present who is the same sex as the student.
 
2012-06-19 11:04:30 AM

Grables'Daughter: I didn't take any money either.


I don't believe you. Email in profile.
 
2012-06-19 11:28:52 AM

drayno76: frepnog: when i was in school, this sort of thing was done if it was necessary. no one was traumatized. no one was fired. and by god, if someone stole, and had the stolen article on their person, it was found.

I am 40 years old. I have three kids. If one of my kids to this DAY was accused of stealing, and didn't do it (of course my kids were raised correctly and don't steal), they would probably be yanking their pants off and throwing them at the principal, yelling "check my pockets".

some of you people need to toughen up. this kid was not traumatized by this. hell, by the time the kid got home the actual incident was probably mostly forgotten. a search isn't going to destroy his life. on the other hand - when he was searched and nothing found, the parents of the child needed to tell the principal "don't accuse my child again with no proof".

Patronick313: I don't understand why this is even a discussion:

No. Schools should never ask a student to remove any clothing in the presence of a staff member. Ever. Fact. Science. Fin. Even the police can't perform a strip search unless your arrested, what on God's green earth makes school departments think this would ever be kosher?

Parents, use this as a teaching tool:

Mom & Dad: "Now what do you say if anyone at school tells you that you have to take off your clothes?"

3rd Grader: "No. Call my Mom. Now."

or

High Schooler: "LOLZ. I'm calling my Dad. Touch me, pervo, and I'll punt you in the cubes."

My kid at any age..

Txt; "Daddy, the principal wants me to take my clothes off, what should I do."
Reply: "Tell him, "Dad's been called and he says you had better prepare to take 28" of shotgun barrel up your a$$ by the time he gets here."


problem - kid should not have a motherfarking cell phone in school.
second problem - assault with a deadly weapon is not called for, you farking moron. nor would you actually do it to begin with, because while a faculty member MIGHT get fired for searching your child, you will definitely go to prison if you show up at a school with a shotgun and threaten people with it.

moron.
 
2012-06-19 11:37:22 AM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


"It's not MY kid that's going to get strip-searched! MY kid would never do ANYTHING wrong, so only the guilty need to be afraid! Like those hooligans down the street! A little humiliation would do 'em good!"

/That's why htis happens. It's disgusting.
 
2012-06-19 11:39:07 AM
I am happy we all pretty much agree that something wrong happened here. Where were all you rational people for the article about the little boy being forcibly bathed against his will? It shouldn't need to be said that there at the very least needs to be parental consent or a court ruling of some kind if people other than the gaurdian are going to be taking clothes off a minor.
 
2012-06-19 11:49:46 AM

The_Smurf_Strangler: I am happy we all pretty much agree that something wrong happened here. Where were all you rational people for the article about the little boy being forcibly bathed against his will? It shouldn't need to be said that there at the very least needs to be parental consent or a court ruling of some kind if people other than the gaurdian are going to be taking clothes off a minor.


You think that smelly kid should just have been rolled around in lime and sent back to his desk?

// Kid should have been kicked off the school bus. No one likes a smelly classmate.
 
2012-06-19 11:53:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: You never think, man, that could be my kid. It's always some other misbehaving kid. It's that brat that lives next door. It's that hooligan from across the street. It's that black kid who doesn't have a dad living with him.

But if you start letting principals and authority figures treat other kids like this, then it's only a matter of time before they use that power to terrorize your kid. Maybe it was stealing today, but the bar lowers each time. Next time it will be copying homework. Or pulling a girl's pigtails. Or dropping a pencil in class.

This principal needs to be summarily dismissed. farking jackbooted pedophile.



Wholeheartedly agreed, even if you are attempting to troll. Fark, I went through a no-holds-barred communist schooling system in the 80s (we were allowed to be corporally punished, etc.) but even for that time and place this would have never stood. In fact, I am sure there would have been mob-justice dispensed swiftly and severely on the principal.

If that was my kid, let's just say the principal would be principally screwed from both professional and personal angles. Actions like this just don't compute in any civilized society and should be punished. And before you jump the gun, no, I don't think the principal has a thing for young-uns, and should be labelled a 'sex'-whatever. This is still a bad choice on part of the supposedly trained professional who should have known better than to scar the kid mentally like that. Their action are no better than any peer-bully, only made worse by the supposition that they should have known much much better than that.

//Overzealous power-seekers are the worst
 
2012-06-19 12:31:11 PM

seancakes: CasperImproved: FormlessOne: [snip]

If someone at a school did this to my child, you can believe they would never be able to do it to another before I was done with the issue.

something like this:

(walks into assistant principals office) "Would you please explain to me exactly why you felt the need to strip search my child?" (halfway through the explanation) "the shirt. lose the shirt. explain it to me again." (process repeats until a sufficiently embarrassing state of undress is reached, and then they're frogmarched through the halls of the school, and maybe the streets outside)


You are one damn skippy right!!

I would do something... I don't know what, but for the VP or any teacher to have had my child strip, I would make sure it did not happen again to *any* child. And in no case would it end well for that VP or teacher.
 
2012-06-19 01:20:34 PM
Daily Fail: Here is a pic of Teresa Holmes

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-06-19 01:34:44 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Cyno01: And see, and thats fine, if youre arresting someone and putting them in lockup, you want to make sure they dont have a shiv tucked in their asscrack or a bag of drugs under their taint. Thats ok.

Actually, there was a pretty f--king big outcry over that decision, but whatever. It'll never happen to you where you're arrested and not charged and get the joy of a strip search, I'm sure.

/Because metal detectors don't exist.


Once youve been arrested, regardless of the outcome of your trial, you lose certain rights at least temporarily. Its a strip search, not a cavity search. Performed in private after the arrest before youre put in a holding cell, i really dont see it as any more humiliating than being arrested in the first place. If ever wrongly arrested, i think id be glad that everyone in the cell with me had been searched for weapons.
 
2012-06-19 01:36:10 PM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


Not sure this story would be better if it had been a male teacher.
 
2012-06-19 01:41:10 PM

Cyno01: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Cyno01: And see, and thats fine, if youre arresting someone and putting them in lockup, you want to make sure they dont have a shiv tucked in their asscrack or a bag of drugs under their taint. Thats ok.

Actually, there was a pretty f--king big outcry over that decision, but whatever. It'll never happen to you where you're arrested and not charged and get the joy of a strip search, I'm sure.

/Because metal detectors don't exist.

Once youve been arrested, regardless of the outcome of your trial, you lose certain rights at least temporarily. Its a strip search, not a cavity search. Performed in private after the arrest before youre put in a holding cell, i really dont see it as any more humiliating than being arrested in the first place. If ever wrongly arrested, i think id be glad that everyone in the cell with me had been searched for weapons.


Is a cavity search when they are looking for concealed gingivitis?

//Gingivitis
 
2012-06-19 01:52:17 PM

Leeds: The_Smurf_Strangler: I am happy we all pretty much agree that something wrong happened here. Where were all you rational people for the article about the little boy being forcibly bathed against his will? It shouldn't need to be said that there at the very least needs to be parental consent or a court ruling of some kind if people other than the gaurdian are going to be taking clothes off a minor.

You think that smelly kid should just have been rolled around in lime and sent back to his desk?

// Kid should have been kicked off the school bus. No one likes a smelly classmate.


No I think they should have called CPS and not humiliated him. Its generally not the kids fault when they smell. It is usually a sign of neglect or abuse.
 
2012-06-19 01:59:50 PM

Z-clipped: lanmac: Coming on a Bicycle: lanmac: Being in and from NC. I must condone we are not all this stupid. I felt this needed to be said after the state seems to be stuck in a time warp, first banning gay marriage then banning rights in general. WTF NC WTF?

Condone. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

damn it this is why i should not post at 3-4ish in the morn.

EDIT: I do not condone....

Nope... stiiiill not the right word


Whatever I can't remember proper usage I give up.
 
2012-06-19 02:56:10 PM

The_Smurf_Strangler: Leeds: The_Smurf_Strangler: I am happy we all pretty much agree that something wrong happened here. Where were all you rational people for the article about the little boy being forcibly bathed against his will? It shouldn't need to be said that there at the very least needs to be parental consent or a court ruling of some kind if people other than the gaurdian are going to be taking clothes off a minor.

You think that smelly kid should just have been rolled around in lime and sent back to his desk?

// Kid should have been kicked off the school bus. No one likes a smelly classmate.

No I think they should have called CPS and not humiliated him. Its generally not the kids fault when they smell. It is usually a sign of neglect or abuse.


i missed that tale. how old was the kid?
 
2012-06-19 05:21:44 PM

frepnog: The_Smurf_Strangler: Leeds: The_Smurf_Strangler: I am happy we all pretty much agree that something wrong happened here. Where were all you rational people for the article about the little boy being forcibly bathed against his will? It shouldn't need to be said that there at the very least needs to be parental consent or a court ruling of some kind if people other than the gaurdian are going to be taking clothes off a minor.

You think that smelly kid should just have been rolled around in lime and sent back to his desk?

// Kid should have been kicked off the school bus. No one likes a smelly classmate.

No I think they should have called CPS and not humiliated him. Its generally not the kids fault when they smell. It is usually a sign of neglect or abuse.

i missed that tale. how old was the kid?


8
 
2012-06-19 05:33:26 PM

Need_MindBleach: So if a male principal strip searched a 10-year-old girl while a female janitor watched, that would have been okay too? What the fark is wrong with people?

Actually, regardless of the genders involved, what the fark is wrong with these people?


Replace the 10 yo girl with an 18 yo girl and I'm completely on board with that idea.
 
2012-06-19 05:59:21 PM

fat_free: Daily Fail: Here is a pic of Teresa Holmes

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-19 07:31:26 PM

FormlessOne: FTA: "The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search," Warren said. "She may have been overzealous in her actions."

Wait - it's legal in North Carolina to strip-search a child in a school without a parent or guardian present? Really? Never mind that it's the opposite sex doing the searching, never mind that the search was done without the consent of the parent or guardian - what the hell?

What in the hell is wrong with you, North Carolina?


A lot is wrong with the assistant principal. And it is not legal to do that search. So sayeth SCOTUS. Safford Unified School District v. Redding, 557 U.S. ___ 129 S.Ct. 2633, 174 L.Ed.2d 354 (2009)
 
2012-06-20 01:35:03 AM
Hmmm, that reminds me - maybe the principle and teachers that used to paddle me in school woukd like to TRY it now?
I GUARANTEE a different outcome!
 
2012-06-20 02:58:59 AM
remember the part of the body under the clothing is the "sexiest" part of all
so "sexy" it's illegal -Cops
 
2012-06-20 08:53:45 AM
It's getting to the point now that if you're a school prinicpal, you might as well just go ahead and be a catholic priest.
 
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