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(The Tennessean)   Bad: You get locked inside your restaurant's cooler. Good: You find a way to trip the burglar alarm to summon police. Fail: Cops find the restaurant dark and the doors locked, so they ignore it   (tennessean.com) divider line 130
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2012-06-19 08:07:06 AM  
/csb on

I was held hostage in an armed robbery and locked in a walk in refrigerator. I too used the "silent" alarm to summon the police. Turns out the "silent" alarm wasn't "silent" at all. Yes the "" are for emphasis.

/csb off
/getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2012-06-19 08:11:55 AM  

maxximillian: So the police are supposed to break in to check on an alarm when the building appears secure? Even if they have an emergency contact and that person shows up with a key what are the chances anyone would have checked the cooler?


I think the idea is not that the responding cops should have broken in, but that the investigators shouldn't jump to conclusions based solely on the appearance of the scene.

But yeah, the cops bear zero responsibility for this.

Need_MindBleach: Then again, running out of oxygen is probably not the greatest way to go.


definitely not the worst. You just start feeling sleepy, take a nap, and don't wake up.
 
2012-06-19 08:28:55 AM  
My office building is in a marginal part of town. About three times a year I get a call from the security company. They dispatch a cop who sticks a ticket on our door for false alarm. They never ever come in or inspect it outside of driving around the two sides of the building that you can see from the road. That's on true. Once when the alarm went off in the middle of a Saturday and the only person here was a young cute art director, they walked all through the building with her despite there was near zero chance that there was anyone here.

When I am summoned at 3 am they give it a cursory look and are back at the donut shop long before it drive the 20 minutes it takes to get here. That is one of the many reasons I am happy I have an 80 pound dog that makes the ride with me. He's a cupcake, but he barks mean.
 
2012-06-19 08:51:37 AM  
www.showcase.ca
 
2012-06-19 08:58:08 AM  

Tanishh: My parents (who are older than the guy who died) and even my grandparents carry their cell phones with them almost everywhere they go. I'm hardly ever without mine in my house, and never outside of it. When I was last on co op (working at GE) they had a humidity controlled storage room with two big metal doors - you couldn't operate one if the other was open. I heard from one of the guys I worked with that he once got trapped in between the doors because the one behind him got stuck in limbo where it wasn't fully closed but he couldn't open it again or close it further from his side, and if he hadn't had his phone on him he'd have been trapped for the better part of a day. Wouldn't have died, but it would've sucked big time regardless. After he told me that, never went into that room without my phone for any reason.

I feel like if you have a freezer or other secured room, the first and biggest rule no matter what is you either don't go in unless someone else knows you went in (and knows to check if you're gone too long) or you don't go in without a phone.


Cell phone might not have helped since at that point you are sitting in a big metal box that would work like a faraday cage.
 
2012-06-19 08:58:44 AM  
Oh, well, someone will realize I'm gone and come looking for me. I'll be out of here in no time.

i86.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-19 09:15:19 AM  
death by carbon dioxide is quicker and less painful than freezing to death, so he had that going for him. But it also means he had less time to be rescued. Perhaps he was already incapacitated by the time police arrived five minutes later and was unable to shout to them.
 
2012-06-19 09:15:34 AM  
images.tvrage.com

This is the burglar alarm. This is the trapped-in-the-cooler-breathing-carbon-dioxide alarm.

It's a semi-tone higher!
 
2012-06-19 09:17:13 AM  
Police are inept fools. You're right, "It's not news".
 
2012-06-19 09:41:14 AM  
good thing i have a bottle of GABA on me at all times!!!@

afterstream.com
 
2012-06-19 09:52:07 AM  

zamboni: Mugato: I saw this episode of Three's Company.

I saw it on an episode of All in the Family...so I'm older than you.

Or was that Archie Bunker's Place... maybe I'm younger.

I'm so confused.

/Screw it... I saw it in a Harold Lloyd silent film.over 80 years ago,
//23 skidoo!


I saw this acted out in the Roman Coliseum during an intermission while some Christian dismemberments were being removed. Oddly enough, Mr. Firley was in that rendition and would not cuddle with Jack to stay warm.
 
2012-06-19 10:00:57 AM  

Kurmudgeon: maxximillian: So the police are supposed to break in to check on an alarm when the building appears secure? Even if they have an emergency contact and that person shows up with a key what are the chances anyone would have checked the cooler?

Yeah, it's called don't make assumptions.


Here we meet someone that knows absolutely nothing about emergency response.

Let me help.

If the cops broke in every locked structure with an activating alarm, the would spend their days doing nothing except forcing entry and farkers would be ranting about the cops always tearing stuff up for no reason. I would be shocked if 1 in 100 alarms triggered due to an actual burglary.

I'm a volunteer firefighter/emt in a department that makes 500-600 responses a year. About 10% of those are alarms. In almost 15 years, know how many automatic alarms I've answered that were real fires?

NONE.

Burglar alarms are even worse.

Further, the PD/FD doesn't usually have keyholder information. The alarm company is typically responsible for making that contact or providing the info - and they often don't have current numbers or have downright wrong information.

It sucks for this guy, but the cops did everything right.
 
2012-06-19 10:01:48 AM  

kenny's mom: Dear medical-minded Fark expertise:

If it was the CO2 that caught up with him: Would it have been a more, or less, traumatic death than Carbon Monoxide would be? (I'm not suggesting Dry Ice Suicides, but am genuinely curious).

Thanks much,

KM


I wouldn't think it would be pleasant. CO2 is what makes you need to breathe. If there's enough of it it's fairly quick, though.

SlothB77: death by carbon dioxide is quicker and less painful than freezing to death, so he had that going for him. But it also means he had less time to be rescued. Perhaps he was already incapacitated by the time police arrived five minutes later and was unable to shout to them.


Things which provide good temperature isolation (the insulation around the fridge) also provide reasonable sound isolation. It's unlikely the cops could have heard him.
 
2012-06-19 10:20:01 AM  
Ben Jarhvi: [is locked in a freezer with Fred and reading fortune cookies] "The warmth in your heart makes others ha-ha-happy".

Fred: I still like this one
[reads the one in his hand]

Fred: "Opportunity is waiting, you need but to open the door".
 
2012-06-19 11:10:05 AM  

Babwa Wawa: doglover: Do they make coolers without door handles and kill switches inside still?

Maybe it's a kill switch or interior door handle? I dunno.

But in this case, a kill switch wouldn't work because it was being temporarily cooled by dry ice.


A kill switch is obviously not needed, the guy is dead.
 
2012-06-19 11:21:11 AM  
Bet the cooler door gets fixed now...
 
2012-06-19 11:25:07 AM  

RoyBatty: A button that would have opened the cooler from the inside was not working and had been broken for some time.

Whoever designed this with an electrical button and not a physical release mechanism needs to be shot.

Whoever owns a cooler where the emergency release mechanism is known to be broken gets little sympathy from me.


^ all that

Dude knew the door was broken and locked himself in anyway. +1 for Darwin
 
2012-06-19 12:30:06 PM  
You know, it sucks that someone had to die because of a broken safety handle on a cooler that could have been fixed so easily. And while it saddens me that ANYONE had to die, I'm at least a LITTLE bit relieved to know that is wasn't an innocent employee who got stuck in there; it was the cheap, neglectful owner who never fixed a simple safety handle.
 
2012-06-19 12:36:31 PM  

bbcard1: Once when the alarm went off in the middle of a Saturday and the only person here was a young cute art director, they walked all through the building with her despite there was near zero chance that there was anyone here.


Of course!

/cops are great
//not really
///anarchy is worse
////but not by much
//slashies!!!
 
2012-06-19 02:01:38 PM  

MatrixOutsider: Why didn't he make one of these while he was in the cooler?:

[www.nasa.gov image 300x259]


Nice carbon scrubber.
 
2012-06-19 04:18:37 PM  

Ensnared Wit: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 480x344]

Amateur! Didn't he know that he could just use the phone line in the wall to send touch tone tunes to his girlfriend who would then find him with the help of a stereotypical new york cabbie?


Came for this, leaving satisfied.

/Help me Rhonda
// Help Help, me Rhonda
 
2012-06-19 08:55:13 PM  
nickolas

Bet the cooler door gets fixed now...

Or not. Those mooks are probably thinking "What are the odds of THAT happening again? ZERO"
 
2012-06-19 11:01:28 PM  

optikeye: doglover: Do they make coolers without door handles and kill switches inside still?

I worked at a zoo and we had a 50' long freezer for seafood and meat. It had a giant handle on the door. You couldn't get trapped inside unless someone locked you in there.

Reading the Article. The interior door opening mech was broken---and had been for some time.
They had also filled the freezer with Dry Ice because of a power outage.


So, Darwin award material. This guy owned the place, and he cheaped out on the safety features. Like door handles. WTF? How much could that repair have cost?

But going back to the kill switch thing, I don't see how they could help a lot, because a well-insulated cool room will keep the heat out for a long time, even after it;s turned off.
 
2012-06-20 12:45:38 AM  

firefly212: Loren: A button that would have opened the cooler from the inside was not working and had been broken for some time.

Darwin.

RoyBatty: A button that would have opened the cooler from the inside was not working and had been broken for some time.

Whoever designed this with an electrical button and not a physical release mechanism needs to be shot.

Yup. I had to raise holy hell about implementing an e-stop in software rather than hardware. Nobody else got it about the danger. (This was for a saw that would have had no problem sawing a person in half if they weren't too fat.)

I hate to be so harsh... but the guy who died owned the cooler, failed to repair emergency exit features of the freezer, and subsequently died. The only lucky thing about this is that it wasn't just some lackey who died in the freezer, but the guy who should've cared about safety in the first place. Also, the default of safety mechanisms when broken should be on the safe side...eg the door should not be able to lock shut if the exit features are not working... on my power toys and all over my shop, when a safety is tripped or non-functional, it doesn't make the place less safe, just less functional (no power, mechanical stops, etc.). I can't imagine being any less careful if there was a potential for other people to get hurt as a result of my action/inaction.



This is something I don't understand about nuclear reactor meltdowns. Shouldn't nuclear rods hang from electromagnet joints that release if power fails, letting the rods drop into lead sheathes so they can't emit to each other anymore? Or even drop to different vertical levels, so they're not close to each other anymore? Or is something like that already done, and I'm misunderstanding the problem?

I guess I must be misunderstanding something...
 
2012-06-20 02:34:17 AM  
Isildur

This is something I don't understand about nuclear reactor meltdowns. Shouldn't nuclear rods hang from electromagnet joints that release if power fails, letting the rods drop into lead sheathes so they can't emit to each other anymore? Or even drop to different vertical levels, so they're not close to each other anymore? Or is something like that already done, and I'm misunderstanding the problem?

How much vertical seperation is needed, two or three times the normal height?

That's going to be one big pressure vessel.
 
2012-06-20 03:51:29 AM  

studebaker hoch: Isildur

This is something I don't understand about nuclear reactor meltdowns. Shouldn't nuclear rods hang from electromagnet joints that release if power fails, letting the rods drop into lead sheathes so they can't emit to each other anymore? Or even drop to different vertical levels, so they're not close to each other anymore? Or is something like that already done, and I'm misunderstanding the problem?

How much vertical seperation is needed, two or three times the normal height?

That's going to be one big pressure vessel.



Wouldn't
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already be a lot better than
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?

/or, like I said, dropped into sheaths
 
2012-06-20 04:09:26 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: zamboni: Mugato: I saw this episode of Three's Company.

I saw it on an episode of All in the Family...so I'm older than you.

Or was that Archie Bunker's Place... maybe I'm younger.

I'm so confused.

/Screw it... I saw it in a Harold Lloyd silent film.over 80 years ago,
//23 skidoo!

I saw this acted out in the Roman Coliseum during an intermission while some Christian dismemberments were being removed. Oddly enough, Mr. Firley was in that rendition and would not cuddle with Jack to stay warm.


There was this time in a cave in Neandertal when a rock slide trapped Ug and me. As we had not yet discovered fire, it was rather cold, let me tell you. So I says to Ug "OY! Stop drawing on the wall and crank the thermostat up to like 412 ooks." He told me "Fark off. If we don't have fire, we sure as hell don't have thermostats. And what the hell is an ook. That won't be invented until the Cro Magnons get here... dumbass." I didn't think that was necessary, so I killed him with a rock.
 
2012-06-20 10:41:56 AM  
Isildur

Wouldn't
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already be a lot better than
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/or, like I said, dropped into sheaths


That's at least doubling the siize of the reactor vessel.

Your idea sounds fine, but wouldn't a better idea be to get off nuclear power entirely and build huge thermal solar collectors in the western deserts? These have already been started.

/how about a nice game of chess?
 
2012-06-20 01:25:57 PM  
RIPLEY: Stay here a minute, Newt.

...One fire alarm later...

HICKS: Vasquez, Hudson, meet me in medical! We got a fire!
 
2012-06-21 12:04:47 AM  

studebaker hoch: That's at least doubling the siize of the reactor vessel.

Your idea sounds fine, but wouldn't a better idea be to get off nuclear power entirely and build huge thermal solar collectors in the western deserts? These have already been started.

/how about a nice game of chess?



Entirely

? Using what for power at night? Turbines at pumped storage lakes?

Also, how many square miles of panels or reflectors would be needed at current solar power conversion efficiency?
 
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