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2012-06-18 06:15:19 PM

LawrencePerson: I don't care if he's innocent or guilty at this point, I'm just happy the federal government will stop wasting our time on this trivial BS and hopefully concentrate on reducing the size and scope of the federal government.


You must have been furious during the Lewinsky Scandal trials
 
2012-06-18 06:17:37 PM

olddeegee: It's time to let the steroid stuff die. They're pretty tight on watching for it now, so the use is negligible. I recently saw an interview with Ernie Banks. The interviewer said the he doesn't accept that Barry Bonds is the all time home-run hitter because he probably used steroids. Banks said, " That's crazy. You have any idea what how many players in my day were drinking and on pills? "


Jim Bunning, for one.
 
2012-06-18 06:18:25 PM

the biggest redneck here: The Jami Turman Fan Club: He wasn't guilty. Using steroids isn't illegal.

Can we get our money back from this crap? These stupid prosecutions cost millions.

Lying under oath is, and that's what he was charged with.


Yeah, we've heard that horsecrap before. Sleeping with somebody is illegal, lying about sleeping with someone is an impeachment offence. Didn't work then either.

Steroids are generally legal. Most are prescription, the others are legal over the counter, such as Preparation H (Hydrocortisone). They're not banned.

The doctor or trainer could be in trouble, though.
 
2012-06-18 06:19:06 PM
All I want is for him to get in as much trouble as Bonds. If Bonds goes to prison, I want Clemens in prison. If Bonds is kept out of the HoF, I want Clemens kept out of the HoF.

They're exactly the same. Equally dominant at a very old age, equally awful people, only difference is that Clemens pitches. And is white.
 
2012-06-18 06:21:45 PM
rickythepenguin

martha stewart.jpg
//bill clinton.jpg


Don't forget the new and improved attorney general, Eric Holder.

NOW !!! Faster and more Furious.
 
2012-06-18 06:24:32 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Steroids are generally legal. Most are prescription, the others are legal over the counter, such as Preparation H (Hydrocortisone). They're not banned.


Silly for him to lie about it then, right?
 
2012-06-18 06:25:50 PM
Can we stop these damn witch hunts for athletes who aren't boy scouts now? Is the morality crusade over yet? How many taxpayer dollars did this farce cost?
 
SH
2012-06-18 06:25:52 PM

Thunderpipes: Good. Congress should never have been involved in the first place. What a complete waste of time and taxpayer money.


YES, indeed.
 
2012-06-18 06:26:27 PM
Some of the steroids guys should go to the hall of fame, including Bonds, Clemens, A Rod, etc. Maybe not Sosa because he tried to pull of that corked bat bs.
 
2012-06-18 06:29:38 PM
Was Sean Estes the jury foreman?
 
2012-06-18 06:34:57 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Steroids are generally legal.


No, the kinds he was purportedly using are most certainly not legal without a prescription. I think the congressional hearings were a waste of time. But I'm not gonna cry for the guy - if you and I were pulled over with that shiat in the glove box we'd be going downtown.
 
2012-06-18 06:34:59 PM

rickythepenguin: Keep in mind, that aside from vincent adding steroids to the naughty list, as Schedule III substances, use/possession of steroids without a prescription was illegal under federal law. so the "welp, steroids weren't illegal!" argument is a double fail.


I've always thought this argument was a fail. Some things shouldn't have to be in the rulebook. I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the Olympic figure skating rulebook that says hiring a goon to whack your opponent on the knee is against the rules, but most people agree that it's cheating and that the person who does it should suffer consequences, not only under the law but within the sport. If it's against the law and it gives you a competitive advantage over those who choose to follow the law, it's cheating.
 
2012-06-18 06:38:12 PM

JohnBigBootay: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Steroids are generally legal.

No, the kinds he was purportedly using are most certainly not legal without a prescription. I think the congressional hearings were a waste of time. But I'm not gonna cry for the guy - if you and I were pulled over with that shiat in the glove box we'd be going downtown.


So would he.
 
2012-06-18 06:39:08 PM
To be fair, Sports fans are pompous douchbags.
So he''s in his element.

/Hope it's a Honda.
 
2012-06-18 06:45:30 PM
The Black Sox were acquitted too.
 
2012-06-18 06:46:34 PM
Swing and a miss.
 
2012-06-18 06:48:05 PM

Arbeit Macht Freefall: LawrencePerson: I don't care if he's innocent or guilty at this point, I'm just happy the federal government will stop wasting our time on this trivial BS and hopefully concentrate on reducing the size and scope of the federal government.

You must have been furious during the Lewinsky Scandal trials



OH SNAP
 
2012-06-18 06:55:15 PM
This does not mean I believe Clemens. I have though Clemens was a juicer long before he was actually outed as one.

All those extra long off seasons to juice up while not under contract and out of risk of testing.

I still think this was a waste of time and money, but it seems the Justice Department is very good at wasting both of those things.
 
2012-06-18 07:05:06 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Cyclometh: The Jami Turman Fan Club: He wasn't guilty. Using steroids isn't illegal.

He wasn't charged with using steroids, dumbass.

No, but that's what they tried to convict him of, which is why they failed, dumbass.


Look at how stupid you are.
 
2012-06-18 07:08:41 PM
Regardless of the outcome of the juries...
 
2012-06-18 07:14:21 PM
Yay, more baseball players from my youth that are going down. I wonder how much his rookie card will decrease in value, I have a few I believe.
 
2012-06-18 07:18:01 PM
Can we start trying congresspeople with "lying to congress"?

Like when a long line of them got approached the microphone, and EVERY ONE referred to a bill as a "job-killing bill"? Can we try them? Can we try the captains of industry when they lie to congress?

We can put a president and a goddamn pitcher for lying to congress, but we can't try anyone else? What's the defense? Ignorance or stupidity?

This entire Clemens fiasco has been a shameful waste of time and resources. Sure, he probably got injected with roids, but WHO CARES? Why doesn't get mad when other members of Congress lie to them?
 
2012-06-18 07:23:57 PM
Has anyone mentioned how much of a waste of money this has been? Christ almighty.
 
2012-06-18 07:24:57 PM

IlGreven: Nancy Grace strikes again!

"HE'S GUILTY!"
"Nancy, the jury found him not--"
"I DON'T CARE WHAT A DUMBASS JURY SAYS! HE'S GUILTY!"
"Juries are kind of important, Nancy."
"DO YOU WANT TO BE GUILTY, TOO?"
"...of what, Nancy?"
"IT DOESN'T MATTER! YOU'RE GUILTY! GET THIS GUILTY MAN OUT OF MY SIGHT!"
"...Nancy, he's Wolf Blitzer."
"GUILTY!"


[slowclap.jpg]
 
2012-06-18 07:25:54 PM
Pretty sure the jury nullified this one. I can't wait for jury nullification to get more publicity as a result of this trial.
 
2012-06-18 07:26:42 PM

rickythepenguin: the problem was, the MLBPA and the owner's colluded to bar adoption of a testing regime. so a rule existed, but there was no way to enforce / check it.

but the notion of "ZOMG MLB never banned steroids until 2006!"* is patently, willingly, "i'm going to stick my head in the sand and ignore the truth" false.



Works out just the same.
 
2012-06-18 07:30:12 PM
Now for the Tobacco Executives. Oh wait, they own congress.
 
2012-06-18 07:40:15 PM
Way to go, Citizen's United!

You sucked when you were just a glint in Papa's eye!
 
2012-06-18 07:46:43 PM

dabbletech: How is this news?


Let me guess: it goes straight to your inbox?
 
2012-06-18 07:47:14 PM

uncoveror: Can we stop these damn witch hunts for athletes who aren't boy scouts now? Is the morality crusade over yet? How many taxpayer dollars did this farce cost?


Well how much money went into the wrong hands because Roger Clemens did steroids? Undeserving people benefited monetarily from Roger Clemens breaking the law.
 
2012-06-18 07:52:29 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: the biggest redneck here: The Jami Turman Fan Club: He wasn't guilty. Using steroids isn't illegal.

Can we get our money back from this crap? These stupid prosecutions cost millions.

Lying under oath is, and that's what he was charged with.

Yeah, we've heard that horsecrap before. Sleeping with somebody is illegal, lying about sleeping with someone is an impeachment offence. Didn't work then either.

Steroids are generally legal. Most are prescription, the others are legal over the counter, such as Preparation H (Hydrocortisone). They're not banned.

The doctor or trainer could be in trouble, though.


You're either the greatest troll or a moron.
 
2012-06-18 07:52:44 PM

Di Atribe: dabbletech: How is this news?

Let me guess: it goes straight to your inbox?


Yeah, thank you, DA, and for the record: I am SO glad I didn't opt in to that Farknar-cissism. Ugh. I can only imagine how maladjusted I might be then!

Sheesh.

;)
 
2012-06-18 07:55:30 PM

jaylectricity: Well how much money went into the wrong hands because Roger Clemens did steroids? Undeserving people benefited monetarily from Roger Clemens breaking the law.


I think people do forget that MLB is big business. Just because the end result is us sitting on our asses watching baseball, that doesn't mean that there aren't BILLIONS of dollars floating around. When billions of dollars are at stake, we probably shouldn't let people cheat at it. Right, big banks? Right, Goldman Sachs? OK, just checking.


Indubitably: Yeah, thank you, DA, and for the record: I am SO glad I didn't opt in to that Farknar-cissism. Ugh. I can only imagine how maladjusted I might be then!


I don't really know what this means, but I like you anyway, so HI!
 
2012-06-18 07:59:32 PM
Statement of Fact:

TV lawyers get it 75% wrong on the cases they report on.

The media always reported as if Clemens was guilty...he was not
 
2012-06-18 08:06:18 PM

NightOwl2255: He's guilty as fark, but they did not have the proof.


This goes back to whether the government should have prosecuted either Clemens or Bonds, in the first place. If the goal was to clean up steroid use in baseball, the answer is that this served no useful purpose. If the goal was for political grandstanding, and making your name for yourself in the US Attorney General office, the answer is this served no useful purpose.
 
2012-06-18 08:24:59 PM
Do you want to know why steroids are cheating?

Picture this: You are 23 years old. You're a damned good baseball player, if you were ranked, maybe you'd be number 1,000 in the entire world. You're a AAA minor-league third-baseman, and you're in a good spot. The organization you play for has an aging third-baseman, that you're the equal of in every way, except he's making millions, and you have a winter job, and live at your parents' house in the off-season. He's 36, and it is your turn. You've rode buses, and slept two to a bed, and showered in rusty water, and you've pissed in a bottle to prove you're clean, and you've paid your dues. Now, it's your turn to go to The Show.

But in Spring training, that 36 year-old guy is just killing the ball. He's moving like he's 23, diving for balls he couldn't reach last September. He's no longer got warning-track power, people now pay attention when he's in the batting cage. He's got his swagger and ego back, and it shows. So instead of sending him down at the end of Spring training, you have to go back to AAA ball, while he gets a new bigger contract, which further cements him into the job that's rightfully yours. And because he's a major leaguer, he doesn't have to test for the very thing that has given him new abilities, extended his baseball lifetime.

Now imagine that this has gone on for four years. He's now 40, and has made himself a tidy pile of dough while stealing your glory, your headlines, and most importantly, your MONEY. Now, you're 28 and your best years are behind you. Your parents still love you, but they don't brag about you nearly as much. You think "maybe this year", but there's a new 23 year-old phenom third-baseman in the system, who is maybe just as good as you, but he's only 23. Guess who your organization is going to keep.

THIS is why steroids are cheating. This scenario has played out hundreds of times in the steroid era.

/it's worse than cheating
//it is stealing
 
2012-06-18 08:27:43 PM
Obama's Justice Department lost another high profile case. Keep Henry Waxman (D-Calif) in mind when election season comes around.
 
2012-06-18 08:33:23 PM
SO tell me TF'ers, how long has it been since an original meme crossed the queue?
 
2012-06-18 08:35:32 PM

rickythepenguin: that sound you hear is several dozen MLB Hall Of Fame Voters exhaling.....now they can vote him in as a first ballot HOFer and hide behind the "welp, he was exonerated! good enough for me!" excuse.

I'm looking at you, Costas.

/while leaving Barry bonds out to dry
//and Big Mac too
///and Sosa certainly


Bonds wasnt found guilty on any steroids charges either.

He was aquitted of everything except for a single charge of giving a non-"yes or no" answer, and rambling about his childhood and what it was like growing up as a the child of a celebrity, when no one was particularly interested, during a single question and answer session in 2004. Thats the only charge they had evidence on - rambling. Officially "obstruction of justice" because his 3 minutes of rambling "obstructed" the free time of the people who had to listen to him ramble. Basically a slap on the wrist for not shutting up and knowing his place.

Thats the only thing on his record. The rest of the charges were decided to be based on hearsay that was either contrdtictory, not reliable or not trustworthy enough. They trumped up the single rambling charge to "obstruction of justice" because they needed to have -some- sort of result for their bazillions of dollars of investigation that came up with absolutely nothing credible.

So, he may not be inducted into the "focused, yes/no answers please" hall of fame. But as far as anything baseball or steroids related,
 
2012-06-18 08:39:02 PM
Good use of tax payers money, asshats.
/fark congress
 
2012-06-18 08:42:52 PM

Trance750: Good. Now perhaps Congress can finally turn their attention to pulling America from the toilet


Farking priorities, how do they work?
 
2012-06-18 08:44:02 PM
Not a single Simpsons screenshot?

Not one?

/sad
/no one probably remembers
/ Homer and marge were still single in the '90's... right?
 
2012-06-18 08:52:02 PM
He's as guilty as Clinton, right?

How about Rumsfeld, Powell, Feith, Grossman, Cheney, Rove....et al.

I'm willing to trade Holder for Grossman. let's start getting real here, no?

That's right, gun walking for Nuclear proliferation. Straight up

Link
 
2012-06-18 08:52:08 PM
It's a true sign of what a bunch of old, out of touch asshats Congress is made up of that they think a significant number of people below the age of 80 outside of a handful of cities in the NE still care about baseball, let alone Roger Clemens.
 
2012-06-18 08:55:41 PM

italie: SO tell me TF'ers, how long has it been since an original meme crossed the queue?


How many have you submitted?
 
2012-06-18 08:56:44 PM

italie: SO tell me TF'ers, how long has it been since an original meme crossed the queue?


Today?

;)
 
2012-06-18 09:08:42 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: It's a true sign of what a bunch of old, out of touch asshats Congress is made up of that they think a significant number of people below the age of 80 outside of a handful of cities in the NE still care about baseball, let alone Roger Clemens.


Is there really a much more enjoyable way to spend a nice summer evening than sitting outdoors at a MLB ballpark, and enjoying a game, or a lazy Sunday afternoon at the game.
 
2012-06-18 09:24:25 PM

Harry_Seldon: RickyWilliams'sBong: It's a true sign of what a bunch of old, out of touch asshats Congress is made up of that they think a significant number of people below the age of 80 outside of a handful of cities in the NE still care about baseball, let alone Roger Clemens.

Is there really a much more enjoyable way to spend a nice summer evening than sitting outdoors at a MLB ballpark, and enjoying a game, or a lazy Sunday afternoon at the game.


If you can afford it...
 
2012-06-18 09:29:21 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Do you want to know why steroids are cheating?

Picture this: You are 23 years old. You're a damned good baseball player, if you were ranked, maybe you'd be number 1,000 in the entire world. You're a AAA minor-league third-baseman, and you're in a good spot. The organization you play for has an aging third-baseman, that you're the equal of in every way, except he's making millions, and you have a winter job, and live at your parents' house in the off-season. He's 36, and it is your turn. You've rode buses, and slept two to a bed, and showered in rusty water, and you've pissed in a bottle to prove you're clean, and you've paid your dues. Now, it's your turn to go to The Show.

But in Spring training, that 36 year-old guy is just killing the ball. He's moving like he's 23, diving for balls he couldn't reach last September. He's no longer got warning-track power, people now pay attention when he's in the batting cage. He's got his swagger and ego back, and it shows. So instead of sending him down at the end of Spring training, you have to go back to AAA ball, while he gets a new bigger contract, which further cements him into the job that's rightfully yours. And because he's a major leaguer, he doesn't have to test for the very thing that has given him new abilities, extended his baseball lifetime.

Now imagine that this has gone on for four years. He's now 40, and has made himself a tidy pile of dough while stealing your glory, your headlines, and most importantly, your MONEY. Now, you're 28 and your best years are behind you. Your parents still love you, but they don't brag about you nearly as much. You think "maybe this year", but there's a new 23 year-old phenom third-baseman in the system, who is maybe just as good as you, but he's only 23. Guess who your organization is going to keep.

THIS is why steroids are cheating. This scenario has played out hundreds of times in the steroid era.

/it's worse than cheating
//it is stealing


Melodrama much? Christ. The world isn't fair, you aren't special, and Santa Claus is a big farking lie.
 
2012-06-18 09:32:06 PM

Tanthalas39: Melodrama much? Christ. The world isn't fair, you aren't special, and Santa Claus is a big farking lie.


This didn't happen to me, dumbass. I play FIRST-base.
 
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