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(Lifehacker)   Emotional well-being also rises with income, but there is no further progress beyond an annual income of $75,000   (lifehacker.com) divider line 55
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2012-06-18 06:23:44 PM  
11 votes:

GoodOmens: 75K in DC = about 40~50k in no where America.

So yea - where is this 75k number from?


Originally from Indian mathematicians, with the system transmitted to Europe in the Middle Ages by Arabs. But that's not important right now.
2012-06-18 06:15:58 PM  
5 votes:
Article is flawed in that the graph of income vs. happiness is not a simple curve. Sure, from 0-$75K it's fairly linear, and then it flattens out, but when you reach the $150M stage and can start being able to afford your own genuine Montenegrin lavatory slaves and force them to dress like Darth Vader while ominously asking, 'What is thy bidding, Master?' you hit a big uptick in the happiness department. Then there's the mountain fortress in the shape of your head, complete with space-based laser system for bringing death to your enemies at two billion, and at six billion you get the space station full of genetically enhanced serfs trained to fight to death in gladiatorial combat for your sardonic amusement. Sure these things may be out of the reach of most people, but the article could at least TRY to show the full picture.
2012-06-18 06:06:05 PM  
5 votes:
3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

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Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.
2012-06-18 05:53:07 PM  
4 votes:
"If money don't buy happiness, I guess I'll have to rent it"
-W.A. Yankovick
2012-06-18 06:51:58 PM  
3 votes:

mzkitty901: So to be happy I need to make more than double what I make now. Got it.


No, because you are a woman you have to be happy with 75% of that for the same amount of work.
2012-06-18 06:18:49 PM  
3 votes:

toraque: Article is flawed in that the graph of income vs. happiness is not a simple curve. Sure, from 0-$75K it's fairly linear, and then it flattens out, but when you reach the $150M stage and can start being able to afford your own genuine Montenegrin lavatory slaves and force them to dress like Darth Vader while ominously asking, 'What is thy bidding, Master?' you hit a big uptick in the happiness department. Then there's the mountain fortress in the shape of your head, complete with space-based laser system for bringing death to your enemies at two billion, and at six billion you get the space station full of genetically enhanced serfs trained to fight to death in gladiatorial combat for your sardonic amusement. Sure these things may be out of the reach of most people, but the article could at least TRY to show the full picture.



Montenegrin? Please.
2012-06-18 07:19:49 PM  
2 votes:
clatl.com

A man of my caliber couldn't possibly be satisfied with anything less than six figures a year.
2012-06-18 07:18:24 PM  
2 votes:
So 75K will be Obama's new definition of a millionaire?
2012-06-18 06:24:58 PM  
2 votes:
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

- Agent whatshisname.
2012-06-18 06:02:56 PM  
2 votes:
* Offer not valid in major metropolitan areas.
2012-06-18 05:14:10 PM  
2 votes:
Last study said it was $120,000.
This is one hell of a recession!
2012-06-18 08:22:45 PM  
1 votes:

Wangiss: Last study said it was $120,000.
This is one hell of a recession!


this is Fartbongo lowering the rich people, tax the phuq out of them, threshold.
2012-06-18 08:22:14 PM  
1 votes:
so basically $75K per individual. If you are a family of 4 (since kids cost $$$), either both spouses have to make combined of 300K or at least one of them make $300K and the others leech off of him.
I can see why most american families are depressed!
2012-06-18 08:14:26 PM  
1 votes:

ialdabaoth: > No wonBummerDuck: meat0918: BummerDuck: BuckTurgidson: 3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

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Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.

I can't imagine a worse list for advice, this being the top thing. I have dated way to many women that are financially screwed up because someone, sometime told them they should do this. After a while, it was ingrained that when they were depressed, they should go shopping and buy something. And right after they looked at the credit card bills each month, they would shop even more. Horrible cycle of doom if it ever gets out of control, and tying happiness to material thingie gratification is not the right path IMO. That is why rich born kids are usually a**holes.

There is a difference between "Go buy a shiatload of stuff" and "Get a candy bar on occasion."


There is, but that is not the behavior I noticed.

Anyway, a shirt was listed. A nice shirt costs $. "Good" coffee was listed, 2 cups. That's what, $8-10 bucks now days? A catnap in an office chair, during work hours? really hard worker we have there. No wonder that person doesn't make sh*t. thinks the world owes them something.

Why is it that when a rich person acts like the world owes them something, we agree with them; but when a poor person acts like the world owes them something, we condemn them?


Careful management, plebe.

;)
2012-06-18 08:13:35 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: As someone who makes almost exactly $75k, allow me to state unequivicolly that the headline is complete BS.


How do I know you are a corporate hound?

P.S. Don't answer.
2012-06-18 08:05:28 PM  
1 votes:
The way I see it, money is the blood of the body of your life. All your wishes and dreams and goals are your body. The bigger your dreams, the more ambitious your goals, the bigger your body. But none of it means a damn thing without money because unless your goal is to be the world's most prolific subway masturbater, you're going to need money.

The other important thing to remember about money, is that it is freedom. Pure and simple. Having the constitution and a bill of rights is ultimately meaningless if starving to death is at the whim of your employer.

Personally, I want enough money where I can do anything I want. Decide to go to Paris at 3am for the hell of it, ride my motorcycle through the New Mexican desert and be seduced by a hot Indian chick who feeds me peyote and sings a sandstorm into existence with her Indian powers and we have to hide all night in an adobe ruin of a peasant house from a long forgotten civilization.

I want to have a one night stand with a heart breakingly beautiful raven haired Spanish woman in Playa de Usgo. We never speak again and 19 years later, I go back and am drinking one of those tiny cups of coffee in an outdoor cafe. I make eye contact with the 18 or 19 year old waiter and a flash of recognition crosses his face. He knows that I could never have known about his existence and he forgives me. Not a word is spoken, and I never see him again, but the moment is quite poignant.
2012-06-18 07:59:38 PM  
1 votes:

meat0918: BummerDuck: BuckTurgidson: 3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

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Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.

I can't imagine a worse list for advice, this being the top thing. I have dated way to many women that are financially screwed up because someone, sometime told them they should do this. After a while, it was ingrained that when they were depressed, they should go shopping and buy something. And right after they looked at the credit card bills each month, they would shop even more. Horrible cycle of doom if it ever gets out of control, and tying happiness to material thingie gratification is not the right path IMO. That is why rich born kids are usually a**holes.

There is a difference between "Go buy a shiatload of stuff" and "Get a candy bar on occasion."



There is, but that is not the behavior I noticed.

Anyway, a shirt was listed. A nice shirt costs $. "Good" coffee was listed, 2 cups. That's what, $8-10 bucks now days? A catnap in an office chair, during work hours? really hard worker we have there. No wonder that person doesn't make sh*t. thinks the world owes them something.
2012-06-18 07:57:42 PM  
1 votes:
I guess that's why I spend everything in excess of that on coke and whores.
2012-06-18 07:54:54 PM  
1 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.


I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??
2012-06-18 07:46:31 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not quite sure I believe this. I may have to try it out. Will somebody please give me an extra $40K a year so I can see if actually being able to farking make ends meet makes me happier?!

/not bitter
//but I'm out of antidepressants and don't get paid until Friday
2012-06-18 07:46:10 PM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: At some point you pass beyond an event horizon, and you've accumulated so much that all of your desires are met except the acquisition of even more, and the power to inflict suffering on people beneath you.

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These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.


Heavy eyelids are heavy, man.
2012-06-18 07:41:31 PM  
1 votes:

CapnBlues: so people generally just want to be safe and secure, and beyond that most people are content to have general comfort? It's only a tiny percentage of the population who think that they have to have all the money in order to be happy? and possibly that population is hoarding a disproportionate amount of resources forcing everyone else to struggle?

you don't say.


Seems more applicable to the situation then trying to associate greed with what- the other 1% maybe.

"And when I'm old and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions so that *everyone* can have powers. *Everyone* can be super! And when everyone's super...
[chuckles evilly] - no one will be." Syndrome from The Incredibles
2012-06-18 07:33:49 PM  
1 votes:

Snarfangel: GoodOmens: 75K in DC = about 40~50k in no where America.

So yea - where is this 75k number from?

Originally from Indian mathematicians, with the system transmitted to Europe in the Middle Ages by Arabs. But that's not important right now.


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2012-06-18 07:30:07 PM  
1 votes:

Polyhazard: Paging Maslow....

After your basic needs are taken care of and secure, no amount of cash is going to buy you "self actualization."


I disagree. Sure, you can't just buy it... but you can buy trainers, equipment, and most importantly the TIME it takes to train. If I didn't have to work, I could easily "master my full potential" by spending 40 hours a week training, learning and whatever else.

Yeah, you can't just fork over a check and instantly be self-actualized... but as with anything money helps you achieve your goals. The problem with most rich people is that their goal was always just to obtain more money... not to obtain more money to help them do the things they would really enjoy. Money is a tool. You still have to know how to use it.
2012-06-18 07:29:47 PM  
1 votes:
Now I know why I am not happy, a $75k in annual income is the stuff of dreams for me.

It never pays to look at what those ahead of you on the bell curve have, people forget that almost always you can simply turn around and see plenty who have less than you.
2012-06-18 07:29:17 PM  
1 votes:

Polyhazard: Paging Maslow....

After your basic needs are taken care of and secure, no amount of cash is going to buy you "self actualization."


I read that as "self ejaculation"

Purses lips...
2012-06-18 07:28:03 PM  
1 votes:

BuckTurgidson: 3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

[sharedlog_ai.s3.amazonaws.com image 400x269]

Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.


I can't imagine a worse list for advice, this being the top thing. I have dated way to many women that are financially screwed up because someone, sometime told them they should do this. After a while, it was ingrained that when they were depressed, they should go shopping and buy something. And right after they looked at the credit card bills each month, they would shop even more. Horrible cycle of doom if it ever gets out of control, and tying happiness to material thingie gratification is not the right path IMO. That is why rich born kids are usually a**holes.
2012-06-18 07:26:28 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I make more than 75K Doubling my salary would make me twice as happy as I am now.

Stupid article is stupid.



Scientific research surrenders to your arrogance and ignorance.
2012-06-18 07:23:45 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I make more than 75K Doubling my salary would make me twice as happy as I am now.

Stupid article is stupid.


This. 75k will only make you happy in bumfark.
2012-06-18 07:20:09 PM  
1 votes:

liverpoolumd: thisisyourbrainonFark: [www.youdontsay.org image 640x426]

Bullshiat


Rich. You can tell by the pixels. The many, many pixels.
2012-06-18 07:12:33 PM  
1 votes:

brantgoose: As individuals you might think you need more than $77,000 because you are used to it, but there's scarcely a country on Earth where that is the median income. Luxembourg is one. It may be the only one. The US median family is well below that still.

...

Would you rather be an English Duke with $77,000 a year in interest and dividend income or a nouveau riche vulgarian with $77,000,000? And who is the the guy with $777,000,000 or $7 billion going to want to invite to dinner--the Duke or the vulgarian? IIRC, there are about 26 English Dukes in the world, counting the Royal Dukes (who don't really count for the hereditary peers) but there are hundreds of billionaires and many of them are white trash or worse.


1. The average American family is in a really shiatty position, and is almost certainly not happy.

2. I'll take the money. I wouldn't want to hang out with English Dukes for any price. I suspect more people than you think would say the same.
2012-06-18 07:03:29 PM  
1 votes:

tonygotskilz: I make over 75K and I barely make enough to pay off my student loans and still eat human food. I hate hearing crap like this. First of all averages mean nothing to the individual unless you are in the tiny percent that actually make up the average so blanket statements about what makes people happy are retarded.

Money alone will not make anyone happy obviously. Happiness is knowing how to enjoy what you have. That said, having more stuff to enjoy and more time to enjoy it should damn well make you happier or you are doing it wrong.


That sounds like it should be true, sadly it hasn't been my experience. With more stuff comes more maintenance. Eventually, you don't own things you like, things you like own you.

/don't know how polygamists do it
//I like girls, but don't need more than 1
2012-06-18 07:02:24 PM  
1 votes:
Well, yeah. Past that point, you are paranoid about how the "libs" are out to get your money
2012-06-18 06:59:16 PM  
1 votes:
My emotional well being may flatline but I'll be able to afford enough hookers and blow where I wouldn't really care
2012-06-18 06:40:04 PM  
1 votes:
www.youdontsay.org
2012-06-18 06:35:46 PM  
1 votes:
I've heard it was right around that number for about 2 decades now, and at this point I think it's pretty accurate given what my financial goals are.
2012-06-18 06:34:25 PM  
1 votes:
My research tells me that when your financial state is such that you get excited when you have enough money to buy necessities, more money may make you more happy. E.g. if you're popping the cap off a tube of toothpaste like it's a bottle of Cristal, you may have some room for improvement.
2012-06-18 06:31:21 PM  
1 votes:

Beleaguered: Son of Thunder: "Unlikely", subby? This is well-established in psychological research. These studies have been going on for decades, and the basic findings remains the same: Poverty sucks, so increasing income increases happiness until a certain freedom from suffering is attained. Above that point, the curve levels off and money stops buying happiness. This is not a controversial finding.

Take a family of four and introduce them to a metropolitan area. I'm sure $75k/yr is the limit to just how happy that family can be due to income.

...or maybe we should introduce these researchers to economists and the wide world of "Cost of Living."


Agreed. Given the amount of measurement error around constructs such as "happiness", it's very odd that the value could remain so consistent. I'm not saying the finding itself is odd or controversial. But the dollar amount seems silly, epecially to those of us in areas with a high cost of living, and a little too consistent across these studies.

What's more, not only does it seem like the dollar amount is wrong, it seems like even a value corrected for cost of living or inflation shouldn't apply to everyone of different age and experience levels. I mean, across almost any field, a person would be happy with $75K as a starting salary, and in some fields that's a mid-level salary. In my particular field, anyone in their 40's and/or more than 10 years out of grad school would be extremely unhappy with that salary, because it's not what they're worth, and they would know that. And even if you have enough money to pay the bills, I would think that being aware that you're worth more than you're being paid would make you, well, unhappy.

/speaking from personal experience
//money bought the house that made me happy
///but I first met my husband when I was poor, so it all balances out
2012-06-18 06:30:45 PM  
1 votes:

Linux_Yes: if you make 200k/year and spend 200k/year, you're no better off than anyone else.


Well... you probably have much nicer stuff. And eat better food. And have more fun.

But otherwise, ya.
2012-06-18 06:26:01 PM  
1 votes:
But the excess over $75,000 helps me pay for some high-end therapists, and I have a deluxe insurance plan that pays for all the antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds I need, so it's all good.
2012-06-18 06:17:20 PM  
1 votes:
conspiracydebunked.com

What really happy might look like
2012-06-18 06:15:20 PM  
1 votes:
PFFT! I won't be happy until I have a dozen yachts to water ski behind. Eleven just doesn't cut it.
2012-06-18 06:13:46 PM  
1 votes:
I read "emotional well-being" as something closer to sanity than happiness, which puts it out of the reach of most of you no matter how much you make.
2012-06-18 06:12:30 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not taking a pay cut for that.
2012-06-18 06:10:44 PM  
1 votes:

Son of Thunder: "Unlikely", subby? This is well-established in psychological research. These studies have been going on for decades, and the basic findings remains the same: Poverty sucks, so increasing income increases happiness until a certain freedom from suffering is attained. Above that point, the curve levels off and money stops buying happiness. This is not a controversial finding.


Take a family of four and introduce them to a metropolitan area. I'm sure $75k/yr is the limit to just how happy that family can be due to income.

...or maybe we should introduce these researchers to economists and the wide world of "Cost of Living."
2012-06-18 06:10:36 PM  
1 votes:
Surely there are billionaires out there who wish to show me peak happiness.

/I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a world-famous billionaire bikini supermodel astrophysicist.
2012-06-18 06:06:08 PM  
1 votes:
I make more than 75K Doubling my salary would make me twice as happy as I am now.

Stupid article is stupid.
2012-06-18 06:03:05 PM  
1 votes:

Wangiss: Last study said it was $120,000.
This is one hell of a recession!


This is around the number I had heard from the stumbling on happiness book, I think. Everything just plateaus beyond that point.
2012-06-18 06:02:52 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, I am willing to settle for $75k. Someone please pay it to me.
2012-06-18 06:00:42 PM  
1 votes:
So to be happy I need to make more than double what I make now. Got it.
2012-06-18 05:57:49 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, money can't buy happiness, but broke can't buy shiat.
2012-06-18 05:54:52 PM  
1 votes:
Huh, well I certainly feel much more comfortable and happy than when I made 75k. Money may not buy happiness, but it buys things that make me happy.

Plus it's nice not having zero dollars in my savings account. As always, your mileage may vary.
2012-06-18 05:45:40 PM  
1 votes:

Pawn takes the King: I feel... just... CAPITAL.


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2012-06-18 05:24:16 PM  
1 votes:

Quasar: I'm sure the 80% of Americans who don't make that salary feel awesome.


I feel... just... CAPITAL.
2012-06-18 05:17:43 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure the 80% of Americans who don't make that salary feel awesome.
 
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