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(Lifehacker)   Emotional well-being also rises with income, but there is no further progress beyond an annual income of $75,000   (lifehacker.com) divider line 241
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2012-06-18 11:53:40 PM

danceswithcrows: [a great deal of wharrgarble about violence, by various Farkers]

The ancient Greeks were almost conquered by the Persian Empire. Then the Macedonians conquered the ancient Greeks, and then the Romans conquered the Macedonians. Yet the Romans and Macedonians said, "Hey. The Greeks came up with some pretty damn awesome art and culture. Maybe we should try to make some art and culture like that!" The first half of that Roman lit classic The Aeneid is basically a ripoff of The Odyssey, while the second half of Aeneid is a ripoff of The Iliad.

Force is short-term. Art and literature are long-term. The Carthaginians were badasses in their day, but they left practically no art or literature for the future to judge them by. Same with the Hittites and the Mongols. So: Modern America has created so much art and literature that some people hundreds of years from now will say, "Why is it that modern writers can't create stuff as good as season 3 of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'? Or draw cartoons as insightful as 'Doonesbury'?" Maybe hyperbole, but ol' Bill Shakespeare was writing popular entertainment, after all....


Vincent van Gogh would like to have a word for you, right after Nikolai Tesla.
 
2012-06-18 11:53:47 PM

BMFPitt: They've done far more good for the world than you ever will. That they choose to put their money into causes that help the less fortunate in ways that don't get good press is admirable. If I were them, I'd definitely start challenging (more famous) morans like you to public debates and hiring Jon Stewart's video archivist to work behind the scenes on them.



Not sure if serious
 
2012-06-19 12:00:10 AM
You know, here's why I'm a whiny shiat:

You know... I'm a pretty decent artist. But as good as I get, I will never be as recognized as Rob Liefeld.

I'm not a bad on-screen personality. But as good as I try to be, I will never be as recognized as Snooki.

I write rather well. But no matter how well I write, I will never be as recognized as Stephanie Meyer.

I try to be a decent leader. But no matter how hard I try to empathize with others, figure out solutions to their problems and do right by them, I will never be as recognized as Donald Trump.

And I don't just mean "recognized" in terms of fame or accolades, although that would be nice. I mean not dragging my ass from menial job to menial job, occasionally getting gigs where people tell me "wow you're really talented, but you're just not what we're looking for".

So, fark it. I'm not interested in being "discovered" after I die. If those no-talent ass-clowns can be successful and I can't, then burn the whole thing down. If I can't turn hard work and talent into success, then why should anyone else be allowed to?
 
2012-06-19 12:09:42 AM
And everyone always wants to dismiss it with "oh look, another special snowflake". fark that. I'm not a special snowflake. NEITHER IS STEPHANIE MYERS. Neither are the cast of "Jersey Shore". Neither is Donald Trump.

But we treat these assclowns like they're "special snowflakes", and then condemn people who have ACTUAL talent for thinking that their talent should be rewarded - not with fame, but maybe just with a decent living.

"Yeah, fark you buddy, you can draw well but what did you ever do for ME? Yeah, you saved our department by turning around that project, but so the fark what? I need someone with INITIATIVE who THINKS OF THE BOTTOM LINE! You were SUPPOSED to get those guys fired, not increase their productivity so I can't justify sacking them!"

Either things like "talent" and "respect" and "common decency" actually matter in this world, or they don't. If they do, then we need to incentivize and reward them (see? Free market terms!). If not, then we need to stop condemning people who have them for not having them, and pretending that it's their lack of talent, not their lack of ruthlessness, that is holding them back.
 
2012-06-19 12:16:04 AM
Oh, are we still generating articles on this topic?
/article in the link references one from 2010.
 
2012-06-19 12:26:23 AM
As someone that recently inherited money == $lotsa via watching two parents waste away and die, I'm going to go ahead and agree with the findings. I was happy in my making-enough-to-get-by job. Mo' Money, Mo' Problems.
 
2012-06-19 12:31:47 AM

ialdabaoth: [snip] Vincent van Gogh would like to have a word for you, right after Nikolai Tesla.


Eh? Vincent van Gogh's case isn't that extraordinary; he was creating art that his contemporaries didn't really understand, and so he wasn't appreciated while he was alive. This happens to artists. It's sad, but it's not really something that can be worked around AFAICT. Herman Melville had the same problem. It's a pain, but I think it's intrinsic to the way humans are.

Nikolai Tesla is a bit different; he did some useful practical and theoretical work early in his career, then he went completely off the rails. This is also not that extraordinary; see Linus Pauling. Pauling did some very useful and practical organic chem work, then spent many years extolling the benefits of taking huge amounts of vitamin C--which doesn't help most people in most cases.

What a piece of work is man; how noble in reason, how boneheaded when driven by stupid....
 
2012-06-19 02:05:15 AM

BummerDuck: "Good" coffee was listed, 2 cups. That's what, $8-10 bucks now days?


Only for fools, or for disingenuously obstinate retards.

Jesus, a good bottomless cuppa is a buck-fifty max within minutes in a variety of directions of your locale.

But perhaps you're in the wilderness in which case - what: you don't know how to buy and brew f*cking COFFEE?

No wonder you've been reduced to low-grade trolling.
 
2012-06-19 02:21:17 AM

clowncar on fire: dragonchild: CliChe Guevara: Sorry, but the people around me making $2M a year think they are poor and struggling, too, just like the people did at $500k or at $50k.

Don't try to speak for everyone. Right around the $60k mark I started turning down offers for more money because of the hours. I could certainly use more money, but $60k was where financial stress
I dunno, maybe I'm the only guy left who can budget, but either way I wouldn't claim to be "struggling" on $2M/year or $500k/year if I was on the trippiest 'shrooms on the planet.

*high five*

I also found that around 50-60k was my tipping point where I started worrying a hell of a lot less about the small things. Mind you- I have a family i support and having a few bucks more wouldn't hurt- I just worry a lot less about the more essential things i couldn't afford before.


You folks are pretty clear thinkers then. I applaud you, but you are still in the minority. I am in the same boat as you as regards stress, once I hit about that level as well, I scaled back and now work approximately 2 days a week to maintain that income level (if not even a bit less lately). I could still be developing nervous tics and priming for an early heart attack to maintain six figures, but I am not. We seem to be in the stark minority though.

I still have guys around me killing themselves to nail that magic six-figure mark, and they still don't have a grand in the bank or a penny in retirement - renting a house, leasing a couple luxury SUV's, and living literally paycheck to paycheck for going on a decade now because there is always a new gadget to buy, or some new appearance to keep up with the crowd just a bit richer than they are.
 
2012-06-19 02:30:39 AM

dragonchild: I dunno, maybe I'm the only guy left who can budget, but either way I wouldn't claim to be "struggling" on $2M/year or $500k/year if I was on the trippiest 'shrooms on the planet.


Come on, I just read some articles where people were people complaining that the $10 Million a year they made was really only $5 Million a year disposable income, after taxes and maintaining the two primary residences and the house in the Hamptons and all the staff for the houses and for the kids. Really, how are they supposed to survive on THAT paltry sum?
Seriously, no matter how much people make, they will spend it keeping up with the Joneses, specifically those Joneses that make more than they do.


/Was recently sitting in an exclusive resort on a small island in the Bahamas, listening to the people who flew in commercial complaining about the people who flew in on private jets, and the people who flew in on private jets complaining about being stuck renting boats while some people came in their own oceangoing yachts.
// Don't know, but I am assuming the people owning the super-yachts were complaining about the couple people with what were essentially their own small cruise liners moored out in the bay.
///Entitlement and disaffection, its whats for dinner, regardless of income bracket.
 
2012-06-19 02:58:39 AM

CliChe Guevara: dragonchild:
// Don't know, but I am assuming the people owning the super-yachts were complaining about the couple people with what were essentially their own small cruise liners moored out in the bay.
///Entitlement and disaffection, its whats for dinner, regardless of income bracket.


They probably just complained about the normies being on their beach that they paid $15,000/night or whatever to stay on :P. Stupid honeymooners and families with their disgusting children looking to get some deal on a vacation package, how poor of them.
 
2012-06-19 03:05:00 AM

PillsHere: CliChe Guevara: dragonchild:
// Don't know, but I am assuming the people owning the super-yachts were complaining about the couple people with what were essentially their own small cruise liners moored out in the bay.
///Entitlement and disaffection, its whats for dinner, regardless of income bracket.

They probably just complained about the normies being on their beach that they paid $15,000/night or whatever to stay on :P. Stupid honeymooners and families with their disgusting children looking to get some deal on a vacation package, how poor of them.


Well, exactly, which means they aren't rich enough to avoid them by being at an even more exclusive resort, or failing that, their own private island.

/One thing people can't stand is other people
//The other thing they can't stand is themselves. Income bracket doesn't change that.
 
2012-06-19 03:49:57 AM
For anyone who thinks Maslows Hierarchy is hogwash, you cant self actualize if you cant breath or excrete. As a nurse I see this proven daily. People who cant meet the bottom level for themselves or their family commit suicide or lie, cheat and steal to get those things. Never dealt with a patient who couldnt express empathy, but plenty who couldnt breath or excrete.
 
2012-06-19 06:19:18 AM
Makes sense to me. By and large, the quantity and strength of stress and out-of-whack work/life balance that accompanies an occupation is probably pretty high once you get well past that $75,000 mark. Most of the time.
 
2012-06-19 08:31:08 AM

intelligent comment below: DrPainMD: BS. I'm much happier now than back when I was only making $75k.


You can measure happiness better than scientists? How? You think more toys equals happiness. There's your first mistake.


More toys, more leisure time, more vacations, less stress. You think that a scientist who's never met me can measure my happiness better than I can?
 
2012-06-19 09:07:12 AM

Polyhazard: Paging Maslow....

After your basic needs are taken care of and secure, no amount of cash is going to buy you "self actualization."


And the only thing money can get you on Maslow's pyramid costs about $20,000 a year, well below minimum wage.
 
2012-06-19 09:09:20 AM

Bullseyed: Polyhazard: Paging Maslow....

After your basic needs are taken care of and secure, no amount of cash is going to buy you "self actualization."

And the only thing money can get you on Maslow's pyramid costs about $20,000 a year, well below minimum wage.


Not actually true. Up to $55,000 will buy you a "shield" against people who think that "self-actualization" means deliberately destroying your life. Below that amount, you're at the mercy of people who enjoy destroying others to make themselves feel better.
 
2012-06-19 09:10:09 AM

thisispete: TheManofPA: Wangiss: Last study said it was $120,000.
This is one hell of a recession!

This is around the number I had heard from the stumbling on happiness book, I think. Everything just plateaus beyond that point.

The last number I heard was $75k as well. It seems psychology isn't so big on inflation.


That is because most people know jack shiat about money, managing money and making money.

Most people believe that $1M would make them set for life.
 
2012-06-19 09:11:45 AM

Beleaguered: Son of Thunder: "Unlikely", subby? This is well-established in psychological research. These studies have been going on for decades, and the basic findings remains the same: Poverty sucks, so increasing income increases happiness until a certain freedom from suffering is attained. Above that point, the curve levels off and money stops buying happiness. This is not a controversial finding.

Take a family of four and introduce them to a metropolitan area. I'm sure $75k/yr is the limit to just how happy that family can be due to income.

...or maybe we should introduce these researchers to economists and the wide world of "Cost of Living."


It says for a person to be happy, not family of four.

I found a herpy derp.
 
2012-06-19 09:15:16 AM

Salmon: That's the wage of a Tim Horton's clerk in Northern Alberta and they don't look so happy


I thought Canada used beaver and moose skin as currency.

This is an American study. They used dollars. Dooooollllllaaarrssss.
 
2012-06-19 09:18:03 AM
Anyways, came here for this:


So libtards, why not set the minimum wage at $75,000 and everyone will be happy, forever and ever, right?

RIGHT!?!?!
 
2012-06-19 09:23:49 AM

Bullseyed: Anyways, came here for this:


So libtards, why not set the minimum wage at $75,000 and everyone will be happy, forever and ever, right?

RIGHT!?!?!


Right. It's called a "living wage", and it actually works amazingly well.

Of course, no one cares.
 
2012-06-19 09:41:35 AM
I can see that making sense.

Below that and the stresses of survival, mortages, car payments, etc are very strong.

Above that you typically create all new stresses such as higher-stress/stakes jobs, diminished leisure time, etc. All the while, the benefits of that extra money are not as significant. Being able to buy a slightly nicer car isn't as game-chaning as being able to afford a working car at all.

Also, once you go so high in income, you stop comparing "average" people as your peers and compare yourself with the elite. 75k is NOTHING to the rich. So, instead of being on the top of the scale you've now positioned yourself on the bottom of a new scale.

tl;dr - the utility of being able to prodide a decent life provides much more satisfaction per dollar than simply being ble to live "better".
 
2012-06-19 10:09:10 AM

Snarfangel: Surely there are billionaires out there who wish to show me peak happiness.

/I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a world-famous billionaire bikini supermodel astrophysicist.


If this was 1992, and there was an Internet as we know it now, I'd post a link of Dr Fiorella Terenzi. Now, probably not.
 
2012-06-19 10:17:16 AM

clowncar on fire: Unsucessful troll has suddenly come to an usuccessful conclusion.


My ignore note for them is actually "mentally retarded" and the thread number where that donned on me. Oddly, it wasn't even through personal interaction I don't think. I believe it was watching them attempt to communicate much like what I witnessed you endure. I'm pretty sure that someone needs to invent a slap button for the internet.
 
2012-06-19 11:40:48 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Rich people don't seem terribly well-adjusted mentally, if you know what I mean.


You sound concerned.

And jealous., So very jealous.
 
2012-06-19 11:54:27 AM

LargeCanine: Perhaps income rises with emotional well-being.


THIS
 
2012-06-19 11:59:47 AM
I was just as happy when I made 10k a year, compared to now that I own multiple properties and have two well paying jobs.

/Learn the diffrerence between pleasure and happiness.
//Otherwise youll be chasing your tail your entire life.
 
2012-06-19 12:03:09 PM

SuburbanCowboy: Countries in which there is a social safety net and Universal health care are statistically happier than Americans.


Yeah so many happy people in Greece.
 
2012-06-19 12:39:58 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

I wouldn't mind marrying a Vanderbilt?
Or Mr. Cadillac.
No such person. I checked.
Is there a Mr. Texaco?
 
2012-06-19 01:49:08 PM
Hell I make close to that but in truth nothing makes me as happy as my 26 yr old stripper girlfriend.
 
2012-06-19 02:48:20 PM
I'd be much happier if my wife didn't get pissed off at me for going fishing on fathers day.

/csb
 
2012-06-19 02:49:27 PM

MerlinX: Hell I make close to that but in truth nothing makes me as happy as my 26 yr old stripper girlfriend.


I need a 26 yr old stripper girlfriend
 
2012-06-19 04:23:22 PM
It's not how much you make, it's how much you hold onto. I make a bit less than $75k and am doing just fine. I have no debt, my cars are paid for, my house will be paid off by the time I'm 45, and I've got plenty of disposable income to support my lifestyle and hobbies. I know lots of people who make much more than me and are still always broke with little to show for it.
 
2012-06-19 05:03:28 PM

DrPainMD: More toys, more leisure time, more vacations, less stress. You think that a scientist who's never met me can measure my happiness better than I can?



The more money someone makes the less leisure time they usually have, with the job demanding more work from you.

The more toys you have has nothing to do with actual happiness.

The tougher your job and more demanding the more stress you have.

Yes a scientist can measure you better than you can, that's their career. You can't possibly be this naive?
 
2012-06-19 05:32:42 PM

Tarmangani: is upside down. What if exercising creativity and empathy enables me to fulfill the "needs" near the bottom of the triangle? It's sort of a pet philosophy of mine that keeping money from being my main priority is the most important and everything else seems to take care of itself.


...but you can't exercise creativity and empathy if you're dead from not breathing. You could make an argument for swapping a few of those levels around, but you'd be hard pressed to ever not have physiological as the foundation.

Now once we've established that you have enough physiological necessities to exercise creativity, then yeah, it becomes crucial to having continued access to those base necessities. That's why early human life is bootstrapped by elders.
 
2012-06-19 05:43:50 PM

Son of Thunder


"Unlikely", subby? This is well-established in psychological research. These studies have been going on for decades, and the basic findings remains the same: Poverty sucks, so increasing income increases happiness until a certain freedom from suffering is attained. Above that point, the curve levels off and money stops buying happiness. This is not a controversial finding.

I DNRTwholeT so maybe this was posted...

but also above this salary to earn more you usually have a lot more responsibility and weight on your shoulders (longer hours, weekends, travel and planning too) so that brings your happiness factor down.
 
2012-06-19 08:55:08 PM

intelligent comment below: DrPainMD: More toys, more leisure time, more vacations, less stress. You think that a scientist who's never met me can measure my happiness better than I can?


The more money someone makes the less leisure time they usually have, with the job demanding more work from you.

The more toys you have has nothing to do with actual happiness.

The tougher your job and more demanding the more stress you have.

Yes a scientist can measure you better than you can, that's their career. You can't possibly be this naive?


Actually, none of that is true in my case. I'm making more money, and I have the things I listed (now in bold for your reading convenience) above.
 
2012-06-20 09:09:34 PM

ialdabaoth: Bullseyed: Anyways, came here for this:


So libtards, why not set the minimum wage at $75,000 and everyone will be happy, forever and ever, right?

RIGHT!?!?!

Right. It's called a "living wage", and it actually works amazingly well.

Of course, no one cares.


See?

I knew you were lovable and just engaging The Horn Of Troll...

;)
 
2012-06-20 09:58:41 PM

Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Bullseyed: Anyways, came here for this:


So libtards, why not set the minimum wage at $75,000 and everyone will be happy, forever and ever, right?

RIGHT!?!?!

Right. It's called a "living wage", and it actually works amazingly well.

Of course, no one cares.

See?

I knew you were lovable and just engaging The Horn Of Troll...

;)


I am a mirror. When a monkey looks in, no philosopher looks out.
 
2012-06-20 10:19:54 PM

Bullseyed: Polyhazard: Paging Maslow....

After your basic needs are taken care of and secure, no amount of cash is going to buy you "self actualization."

And the only thing money can get you on Maslow's pyramid costs about $20,000 a year, well below minimum wage.


Where the fark that you live that minimum wage pays so well?
 
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