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(Lifehacker)   Emotional well-being also rises with income, but there is no further progress beyond an annual income of $75,000   (lifehacker.com) divider line 241
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2012-06-18 09:08:30 PM

clowncar on fire: Indubitably: Tarmangani: Indubitably: Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

So, you're saying it's possible that I haven't accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life? Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.

All kidding aside, though, I am pretty close to it if I'm not there yet. If it's in fact possible to get there.

Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.

Read it again.

You don't have to work toward self actualization necessarily, sometimes you just sort of find yourself already there without having even realizing it. See Dorothy at the end of the Wizard of Oz.


Exactly. Why would it not be possible to work toward something you sense on an intuitive level without actually having heard of it before?

Also, I don't know what this means:
Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.
But I did read it again, and I see that I'm more properly a "self-actualizer" than actually "self-actualized". My bad on that one. :)
 
2012-06-18 09:10:19 PM

The_Sponge: toraque: Article is flawed in that the graph of income vs. happiness is not a simple curve. Sure, from 0-$75K it's fairly linear, and then it flattens out, but when you reach the $150M stage and can start being able to afford your own genuine Montenegrin lavatory slaves and force them to dress like Darth Vader while ominously asking, 'What is thy bidding, Master?' you hit a big uptick in the happiness department. Then there's the mountain fortress in the shape of your head, complete with space-based laser system for bringing death to your enemies at two billion, and at six billion you get the space station full of genetically enhanced serfs trained to fight to death in gladiatorial combat for your sardonic amusement. Sure these things may be out of the reach of most people, but the article could at least TRY to show the full picture.


Montenegrin? Please.


Yeah what he says...hiring a Montenegrin,for that kind of shiat is just asking for a re enactment of the "Mountain Wreath"
now asking them politely to "find" you a couple of Albanians to do it for you.....
 
2012-06-18 09:30:48 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: At some point you pass beyond an event horizon, and you've accumulated so much that all of your desires are met except the acquisition of even more, and the power to inflict suffering on people beneath you.

[i49.tinypic.com image 400x280]

These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.


make sure your (WI) teachers are paying 12% for their previously all-inclusive benefits

FTFY
 
2012-06-18 09:33:17 PM

Tarmangani: clowncar on fire: Indubitably: Tarmangani: Indubitably: Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

So, you're saying it's possible that I haven't accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life? Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.

All kidding aside, though, I am pretty close to it if I'm not there yet. If it's in fact possible to get there.

Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.

Read it again.

You don't have to work toward self actualization necessarily, sometimes you just sort of find yourself already there without having even realizing it. See Dorothy at the end of the Wizard of Oz.

Exactly. Why would it not be possible to work toward something you sense on an intuitive level without actually having heard of it before?

Also, I don't know what this means:
Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.
But I did read it again, and I see that I'm more properly a "self-actualizer" than actually "self-actualized". My bad on that one. :)


So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualization to Mr. Tarmangani?

Please share you mind:
 
2012-06-18 09:40:49 PM

Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...


Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.
 
2012-06-18 09:41:29 PM

theknuckler_33: As someone who makes almost exactly $75k, allow me to state unequivicolly that the headline is complete BS.


My experience (also earned about 75k last year minus the bonus which I gave to charity) was that the headline was very accurate. When I was making 40k, I would have taken a worse job if it paid better. Now, even though I can easily get jobs that would boost my pay by 20k or more, I don't even consider them because I like the job I do and the work environment I have. Buying a house wasn't even that hard - I got as much house as I reasonably could use, even if I do get married / have a kid or two.

I make more now, but all the extra's probably just going to go to more charitable giving. I have all that I need, and getting more wouldn't really make things better.
 
2012-06-18 09:45:35 PM

ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.


Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)
 
2012-06-18 09:47:06 PM

Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)


Round them tight, snake, for blades cut more efficiently when you're tight, bub.
 
2012-06-18 09:47:34 PM

Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)


انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب
 
2012-06-18 09:48:49 PM

caramba421: Yeah, money can't buy happiness, but broke can't buy shiat.


I LOL'd. Awesome.

Any poor person can tell you they'd be quite damn happy with 75K a year.
 
2012-06-18 09:58:27 PM

Indubitably: Tarmangani: clowncar on fire: Indubitably: Tarmangani: Indubitably: Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

So, you're saying it's possible that I haven't accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life? Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.

All kidding aside, though, I am pretty close to it if I'm not there yet. If it's in fact possible to get there.

Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.

Read it again.

You don't have to work toward self actualization necessarily, sometimes you just sort of find yourself already there without having even realizing it. See Dorothy at the end of the Wizard of Oz.

Exactly. Why would it not be possible to work toward something you sense on an intuitive level without actually having heard of it before?

Also, I don't know what this means:
Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.
But I did read it again, and I see that I'm more properly a "self-actualizer" than actually "self-actualized". My bad on that one. :)

So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...


Indubitably: Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.

Read it again.

You don't have to work toward self actualization necessarily, sometimes you just sort of find yourself already there without having even realizing it. See Dorothy at the end of the Wizard of Oz.

Exactly. Why would it not be possible to work toward something you sense on an intuitive level without actually having heard of it before?

Also, I don't know what this means:
Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.
But I did read it again, and I see that I'm more properly a "self-actualizer" than actually "self-actualized". My bad on that one. :)

So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualization to Mr. Tarmangani?

Please share you mind:


I don't have a whole lot to share, but I think in my case (to a great extent) this:
upload.wikimedia.org
is upside down. What if exercising creativity and empathy enables me to fulfill the "needs" near the bottom of the triangle? It's sort of a pet philosophy of mine that keeping money from being my main priority is the most important and everything else seems to take care of itself.
 
2012-06-18 10:02:39 PM
75k means I can buy the next level up car and buy that next level condo and buy next level equipment for my sports. Sure, being able to drink a decent next level whiskey and eat next level food feels nice but there's always going to be a next level.

It costs money to maintain everything and costs more money to keep jumping the levels. It's a giant pyramid where 75k is the last time you remember being poor and don't know real money at all. Soon the realization that 100k doesn't buy the farm takes hold and you realize happiness is a disney thing and you can have it a lot easier if you don't spend for it.
 
2012-06-18 10:03:02 PM
Coulda fooled me.
 
2012-06-18 10:05:26 PM

ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب


I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.
 
2012-06-18 10:10:20 PM

Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.


People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?
 
2012-06-18 10:15:19 PM

ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?


Why?
 
2012-06-18 10:17:55 PM

Indubitably: Why?


To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
 
2012-06-18 10:20:13 PM

ialdabaoth: Indubitably: Why?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.


You are a caricature of humanity.

Real humans don't think that way anymore, only you do...

Good luck against the horde of humanity, hater, for we love.

We love.
 
2012-06-18 10:21:49 PM

Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: Why?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.

You are a caricature of humanity.

Real humans don't think that way anymore, only you do...

Good luck against the horde of humanity, hater, for we love.

We love.


Which makes dousing their children in napalm all the more delicious.
 
2012-06-18 10:22:43 PM
BS. I'm much happier now than back when I was only making $75k.
 
2012-06-18 10:27:35 PM

Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?

Why?


You fight out of fear of looking weak, you conquer out of fear of being defeated, you destroy out of your inability to create. All you done is show how weak you are- sort of like those morons flashing the bejamins to hide the fact that they have no real wealth.
 
2012-06-18 10:27:45 PM

ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: Why?

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.

You are a caricature of humanity.

Real humans don't think that way anymore, only you do...

Good luck against the horde of humanity, hater, for we love.

We love.

Which makes dousing their children in napalm all the more delicious.


For now.
 
2012-06-18 10:29:16 PM

clowncar on fire: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?

Why?

You fight out of fear of looking weak, you conquer out of fear of being defeated, you destroy out of your inability to create. All you done is show how weak you are- sort of like those morons flashing the bejamins to hide the fact that they have no real wealth.


And all you've done is show how strong you are?

Stand down.
 
2012-06-18 10:30:58 PM

clowncar on fire: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?

Why?

You fight out of fear of looking weak, you conquer out of fear of being defeated, you destroy out of your inability to create. All you done is show how weak you are- sort of like those morons flashing the bejamins to hide the fact that they have no real wealth.


But I'm still less afraid than the person I beat up, less insecure than the person I conquered, and less impoverished than the person whose creation I destroyed.

If I blow up everything you create, then you have just as little to show for your "creativity" as I do.

If I kill everyone you love, then you have just as little to show for your "love" as I do.

If I conquer everything you tend, then you have just as little to show for your "wealth" as I do.

Violence is the great equalizer.
 
2012-06-18 10:32:44 PM

DrPainMD: BS. I'm much happier now than back when I was only making $75k.


But are much better off- security wise? Is that level of well being achieved as great as is was when you went from 50k to75k?

Breaking 50K was awesome enough unto itselfwould that awsome level double or would i just be able to aquire stuff a lot faster with less satisfaction?
 
2012-06-18 10:34:13 PM

DrPainMD: BS. I'm much happier now than back when I was only making $75k.



You can measure happiness better than scientists? How? You think more toys equals happiness. There's your first mistake.
 
2012-06-18 10:35:04 PM

ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?

Why?

You fight out of fear of looking weak, you conquer out of fear of being defeated, you destroy out of your inability to create. All you done is show how weak you are- sort of like those morons flashing the bejamins to hide the fact that they have no real wealth.

But I'm still less afraid than the person I beat up, less insecure than the person I conquered, and less impoverished than the person whose creation I destroyed.

If I blow up everything you create, then you have just as little to show for your "creativity" as I do.

If I kill everyone you love, then you have just as little to show for your "love" as I do.

If I conquer everything you tend, then you have just as little to show for your "wealth" as I do.

Violence is the great equalizer.


Short term, perhaps.

Cosmic time doesn't count, much.

;)
 
2012-06-18 10:39:07 PM
Boo.
 
2012-06-18 10:39:38 PM

ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?


FARK is for pansies. having a child is for winners. have 123 of them.
 
2012-06-18 10:40:29 PM
Cosmic time, we're both dead anyway.

More people know about Hitler than Kant.
 
2012-06-18 10:40:42 PM
Was any mention made (or does any one have any reputable references) of correlations with net worth instead of income? Income is okay, but net worth is what takes away the overarching fear of an injury, illness, or industry downturn wrecking carefully laid plans.
 
2012-06-18 10:41:35 PM

Jon iz teh kewl:
FARK is for pansies. having a child is for winners. have 123 of them.


MORE BABIES FOR ME TO RAPE! MORE CHILDREN TO ENSLAVE! MORE SOLDIERS TO SEND TO THEIR DEATHS!

RAAAAAAAAAAAWGH!
 
2012-06-18 10:43:03 PM
I'm opting out. Self-sufficient commune near Yosemite. Membership starts on the 30th. Screw it. If no one has a psychotic episode, it will be paradise.
 
2012-06-18 10:43:49 PM

Wangiss: I'm opting out. Self-sufficient commune near Yosemite. Membership starts on the 30th. Screw it. If no one has a psychotic episode, it will be paradise.


Ruby Ridge and Waco show how that turns out.
 
2012-06-18 10:44:52 PM

Son of Thunder: "Unlikely", subby? This is well-established in psychological research. These studies have been going on for decades, and the basic findings remains the same: Poverty sucks, so increasing income increases happiness until a certain freedom from suffering is attained. Above that point, the curve levels off and money stops buying happiness. This is not a controversial finding.


Exactly. I don't make $75k, would be nice, but I am right on what I feel is the edge of what is comfortable where I don't have to check my bank account every time I need to pay a bill or go to the store. It's not just one less thing to worry about, it's the thing to worry about because it is the source of your physical and emotional security. If you're just barely making enough to get by, you're always kept on edge juggling bills and living expenses. There's no way you can relax like that.
 
2012-06-18 10:53:37 PM

ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?

Why?

You fight out of fear of looking weak, you conquer out of fear of being defeated, you destroy out of your inability to create. All you done is show how weak you are- sort of like those morons flashing the bejamins to hide the fact that they have no real wealth.

But I'm still less afraid than the person I beat up, less insecure than the person I conquered, and less impoverished than the person whose creation I destroyed.

If I blow up everything you create, then you have just as little to show for your "creativity" as I do.

If I kill everyone you love, then you have just as little to show for your "love" as I do.

If I conquer everything you tend, then you have just as little to show for your "wealth" as I do.

Violence is the great equalizer.


I guess if my biggest aspiration in life was to be a big douchebag, then yeah- I guess violence could help me achieve my dreams a lot quicker. Doesn't get you invited to a lot social events around the holidays though does it?

"Oh Christ! Is that that big douchebag Ialdabaoth the Vanquisher over there by the punch bowl?"
"Shiat yes. I do hope he doesn't pull one of those precious He-man stunts again"
"Seriously. Didn't he disembowel Jodie's ol' lady last Holiday get together and then went on to pummel her Hummel figurine collection with the main course"
"The turkey?"
"Nah, that was two years ago and that turkey ended up through the new rear picture window before it was even cooked. This time round was the Black Forest ham that had to die"
"Appropriately as the Hummel collection was also german you know....."
 
2012-06-18 10:54:08 PM

ialdabaoth: Cosmic time, we're both dead anyway.

More people know about Hitler than Kant.


Old news is old, news, why you keep spewing it, plant?

Oh, nvm. Dumb-Ops.

;)
 
2012-06-18 10:55:03 PM

clowncar on fire:
"Oh Christ! Is that that big douchebag Ialdabaoth the Vanquisher over there by the punch bowl?"
"Shiat yes. I do hope he doesn't pull one of those precious He-man stunts again"
"Seriously. Didn't he disembowel Jodie's ol' lady last Holiday get together and then went on to pummel her Hummel figurine collection with the main course"
"The turkey?"
"Nah, that was two years ago and that turkey ended up through the new rear picture window before it was even cooked. This time round was the Black Forest ham that had to die"
"Appropriately as the Hummel collection was also german you know....."


I like you. You die last.
 
2012-06-18 10:55:35 PM

clowncar on fire: ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably: ialdabaoth: Indubitably:
So, I'm reading, "self-actualizer:" what does that look like for you? What is self-actualiza ...

Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women.

Interesting.

I'm sensing circling the wagons.

Rounding up the troops.

Gathering your quicks.

Seeking allies.

;)

انا على أخوي وأنا وأخوي على ابن عمي وأنا وابن عمي على الغريب

I am against no one, friend.

I am for everyone.

Make that happen in the real world, and then try to obfuscate, please.

Thank you.

People who think like that get to watch their daughters be raped in front of them, then have their daughter's hands cut off in front of them, then watch their houses and their wives burn while they listen to their wailing.

You fight or you die. You conquer or you die. You destroy or you die.

Creating is for pussies. How long did it take to build the Twin Towers? How long did it take to knock them down?

Why?

You fight out of fear of looking weak, you conquer out of fear of being defeated, you destroy out of your inability to create. All you done is show how weak you are- sort of like those morons flashing the bejamins to hide the fact that they have no real wealth.

But I'm still less afraid than the person I beat up, less insecure than the person I conquered, and less impoverished than the person whose creation I destroyed.

If I blow up everything you create, then you have just as little to show for your "creativity" as I do.

If I kill everyone you love, then you have just as little to show for your "love" as I do.

If I conquer everything you tend, then you have just as little to show for your "wealth" as I do.

Violence is the great equalizer.

I guess if my biggest aspiration in life was to be a big douchebag, then yeah- I guess violence could help me achieve my dreams a lot quicker. Doesn't get you invited to a lot social events around ...


What's up, fear-clown?

Gang much?

;)
 
2012-06-18 11:00:02 PM

ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire:
"Oh Christ! Is that that big douchebag Ialdabaoth the Vanquisher over there by the punch bowl?"
"Shiat yes. I do hope he doesn't pull one of those precious He-man stunts again"
"Seriously. Didn't he disembowel Jodie's ol' lady last Holiday get together and then went on to pummel her Hummel figurine collection with the main course"
"The turkey?"
"Nah, that was two years ago and that turkey ended up through the new rear picture window before it was even cooked. This time round was the Black Forest ham that had to die"
"Appropriately as the Hummel collection was also german you know....."

I like you. You die last.


Honored. The implication here is that plan to die before me than.
 
2012-06-18 11:00:58 PM

clowncar on fire: ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire:
"Oh Christ! Is that that big douchebag Ialdabaoth the Vanquisher over there by the punch bowl?"
"Shiat yes. I do hope he doesn't pull one of those precious He-man stunts again"
"Seriously. Didn't he disembowel Jodie's ol' lady last Holiday get together and then went on to pummel her Hummel figurine collection with the main course"
"The turkey?"
"Nah, that was two years ago and that turkey ended up through the new rear picture window before it was even cooked. This time round was the Black Forest ham that had to die"
"Appropriately as the Hummel collection was also german you know....."

I like you. You die last.

Honored. The implication here is that plan to die before me than.


I don't die. I ascend to apotheosis.
 
2012-06-18 11:07:27 PM

ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire: ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire:
"Oh Christ! Is that that big douchebag Ialdabaoth the Vanquisher over there by the punch bowl?"
"Shiat yes. I do hope he doesn't pull one of those precious He-man stunts again"
"Seriously. Didn't he disembowel Jodie's ol' lady last Holiday get together and then went on to pummel her Hummel figurine collection with the main course"
"The turkey?"
"Nah, that was two years ago and that turkey ended up through the new rear picture window before it was even cooked. This time round was the Black Forest ham that had to die"
"Appropriately as the Hummel collection was also german you know....."

I like you. You die last.

Honored. The implication here is that plan to die before me than.

I don't die. I ascend to apotheosis.


I say potato, you say potatoe...

How can you ascribe to "the end" being the only way to verify sucess and yet you describe your own demise as a form of transition. If that were truly the case, you might find a heck of a lot of your vanquished waiting for you on the other side.

Unsucessful troll has suddenly come to an usuccessful conclusion.
 
2012-06-18 11:15:08 PM

clowncar on fire: ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire: ialdabaoth: clowncar on fire:
"Oh Christ! Is that that big douchebag Ialdabaoth the Vanquisher over there by the punch bowl?"
"Shiat yes. I do hope he doesn't pull one of those precious He-man stunts again"
"Seriously. Didn't he disembowel Jodie's ol' lady last Holiday get together and then went on to pummel her Hummel figurine collection with the main course"
"The turkey?"
"Nah, that was two years ago and that turkey ended up through the new rear picture window before it was even cooked. This time round was the Black Forest ham that had to die"
"Appropriately as the Hummel collection was also german you know....."

I like you. You die last.

Honored. The implication here is that plan to die before me than.

I don't die. I ascend to apotheosis.

I say potato, you say potatoe...

How can you ascribe to "the end" being the only way to verify sucess and yet you describe your own demise as a form of transition. If that were truly the case, you might find a heck of a lot of your vanquished waiting for you on the other side.

Unsucessful troll has suddenly come to an usuccessful conclusion.


Their souls are too weak to transition. They have not committed enough violence.
 
2012-06-18 11:16:48 PM
What the hell just happened to this thread?
 
2012-06-18 11:24:06 PM

ialdabaoth: Why is it that when a rich person acts like the world owes them something, we agree with them; but when a poor person acts like the world owes them something, we condemn them?


Who is this "we" you speak of?

/the world owes everyone exactly nothing
//get over it.
 
2012-06-18 11:25:15 PM

BummerDuck: ialdabaoth: Why is it that when a rich person acts like the world owes them something, we agree with them; but when a poor person acts like the world owes them something, we condemn them?

Who is this "we" you speak of?

/the world owes everyone exactly nothing
//get over it.


It's easier to get over it when you aren't panicked about starving to death.
 
2012-06-18 11:46:28 PM
I've always wondered why anyone past a certain amount of wealth still bothers to go to work - particularly if that work is mostly picking stocks. It seems that if I ever had enough money to be comfortably set for life, I'd just retire and have fun. Probably well before that unless I was under 30. What motivates a billionaire to work 12 hour days?

LouDobbsAwaaaay: These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.


They've done far more good for the world than you ever will. That they choose to put their money into causes that help the less fortunate in ways that don't get good press is admirable. If I were them, I'd definitely start challenging (more famous) morans like you to public debates and hiring Jon Stewart's video archivist to work behind the scenes on them.

ialdabaoth: It's easier to get over it when you aren't panicked about starving to death.


People who are in danger of starving to death should have better things to do than spending time on Fark.
 
2012-06-18 11:48:13 PM

BMFPitt: I've always wondered why anyone past a certain amount of wealth still bothers to go to work - particularly if that work is mostly picking stocks. It seems that if I ever had enough money to be comfortably set for life, I'd just retire and have fun. Probably well before that unless I was under 30. What motivates a billionaire to work 12 hour days?

LouDobbsAwaaaay: These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.

They've done far more good for the world than you ever will. That they choose to put their money into causes that help the less fortunate in ways that don't get good press is admirable. If I were them, I'd definitely start challenging (more famous) morans like you to public debates and hiring Jon Stewart's video archivist to work behind the scenes on them.

ialdabaoth: It's easier to get over it when you aren't panicked about starving to death.

People who are in danger of starving to death should have better things to do than spending time on Fark.


BMFPitt: I've always wondered why anyone past a certain amount of wealth still bothers to go to work - particularly if that work is mostly picking stocks. It seems that if I ever had enough money to be comfortably set for life, I'd just retire and have fun. Probably well before that unless I was under 30. What motivates a billionaire to work 12 hour days?

LouDobbsAwaaaay: These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.

They've done far more good for the world than you ever will. That they choose to put their money into causes that help the less fortunate in ways that don't get good press is admirable. If I were them, I'd definitely start challenging (more famous) morans like you to public debates and hiring Jon Stewart's video archivist to work behind the scenes on them.

ialdabaoth: It's easier to get over it when you aren't panicked about starving to death.

People who are in danger of starving to death should have better things to do than spending time on Fark.


Absolutely. You hiring?
 
2012-06-18 11:51:46 PM
In one year I went from an 18k family income to an 80k family income. We were very happy on very little, we don't need a lot of toys and don't need to get out much to have fun. Most of the higher income goes into the bank and we still live on very little. What really, really makes me happy though, is the thought that if the money goes away suddenly, nothing really really bad will happen to my family in the time it will take to reestablish ourselves at the 18k threshold. That knowledge is priceless.
 
2012-06-18 11:52:11 PM
[a great deal of wharrgarble about violence, by various Farkers]

The ancient Greeks were almost conquered by the Persian Empire. Then the Macedonians conquered the ancient Greeks, and then the Romans conquered the Macedonians. Yet the Romans and Macedonians said, "Hey. The Greeks came up with some pretty damn awesome art and culture. Maybe we should try to make some art and culture like that!" The first half of that Roman lit classic The Aeneid is basically a ripoff of The Odyssey, while the second half of Aeneid is a ripoff of The Iliad.

Force is short-term. Art and literature are long-term. The Carthaginians were badasses in their day, but they left practically no art or literature for the future to judge them by. Same with the Hittites and the Mongols. So: Modern America has created so much art and literature that some people hundreds of years from now will say, "Why is it that modern writers can't create stuff as good as season 3 of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'? Or draw cartoons as insightful as 'Doonesbury'?" Maybe hyperbole, but ol' Bill Shakespeare was writing popular entertainment, after all....
 
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