And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: At some point you pass beyond an event horizon, and you've accumulated so much that all of your desires are met except the acquisition of even more, and the power to inflict suffering on people beneath you.

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These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.

Heavy eyelids are heavy, man.

I'm not quite sure I believe this. I may have to try it out. Will somebody please give me an extra $40K a year so I can see if actually being able to farking make ends meet makes me happier?!

/not bitter
//but I'm out of antidepressants and don't get paid until Friday

Tunney: There was a BBC article a while back about a study into happiness and wages. People earning £50,000 ($75,000) are happier than those earning £100,000 a year.

Why? Because there's plenty of 9-5 jobs where you can earn £50,000 a year. Almost all £100,000 jobs are high stress and long hours. £50,000 a year gives you enough money to not have to worry and also gives you enough free time to enjoy it.

THIS is the key to happiness. As I always say: maximize salary while minimizing stress and/or hours worked.

Means I'll never be a manager. Can't stand babysitting so-called adults.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: At some point you pass beyond an event horizon, and you've accumulated so much that all of your desires are met except the acquisition of even more, and the power to inflict suffering on people beneath you.

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These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.

God I hate those guys. Not as much as some hate SOROSSS1!1!, but close. I think it just became a pissing contest for them and an obsession to see how high up the Forbes 500 list they can get (at any social cost). Just my guess though.

TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

meat0918: BummerDuck: BuckTurgidson: 3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

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Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.

I can't imagine a worse list for advice, this being the top thing. I have dated way to many women that are financially screwed up because someone, sometime told them they should do this. After a while, it was ingrained that when they were depressed, they should go shopping and buy something. And right after they looked at the credit card bills each month, they would shop even more. Horrible cycle of doom if it ever gets out of control, and tying happiness to material thingie gratification is not the right path IMO. That is why rich born kids are usually a**holes.

There is a difference between "Go buy a shiatload of stuff" and "Get a candy bar on occasion."


There is, but that is not the behavior I noticed.

Anyway, a shirt was listed. A nice shirt costs $. "Good" coffee was listed, 2 cups. That's what, $8-10 bucks now days? A catnap in an office chair, during work hours? really hard worker we have there. No wonder that person doesn't make sh*t. thinks the world owes them something.

The way I see it, money is the blood of the body of your life. All your wishes and dreams and goals are your body. The bigger your dreams, the more ambitious your goals, the bigger your body. But none of it means a damn thing without money because unless your goal is to be the world's most prolific subway masturbater, you're going to need money.

The other important thing to remember about money, is that it is freedom. Pure and simple. Having the constitution and a bill of rights is ultimately meaningless if starving to death is at the whim of your employer.

Personally, I want enough money where I can do anything I want. Decide to go to Paris at 3am for the hell of it, ride my motorcycle through the New Mexican desert and be seduced by a hot Indian chick who feeds me peyote and sings a sandstorm into existence with her Indian powers and we have to hide all night in an adobe ruin of a peasant house from a long forgotten civilization.

I want to have a one night stand with a heart breakingly beautiful raven haired Spanish woman in Playa de Usgo. We never speak again and 19 years later, I go back and am drinking one of those tiny cups of coffee in an outdoor cafe. I make eye contact with the 18 or 19 year old waiter and a flash of recognition crosses his face. He knows that I could never have known about his existence and he forgives me. Not a word is spoken, and I never see him again, but the moment is quite poignant.

Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

Mister_poopy_pants: Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

- Agent whatshisname.

What?

> No wonBummerDuck: meat0918: BummerDuck: BuckTurgidson: 3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

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Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.

I can't imagine a worse list for advice, this being the top thing. I have dated way to many women that are financially screwed up because someone, sometime told them they should do this. After a while, it was ingrained that when they were depressed, they should go shopping and buy something. And right after they looked at the credit card bills each month, they would shop even more. Horrible cycle of doom if it ever gets out of control, and tying happiness to material thingie gratification is not the right path IMO. That is why rich born kids are usually a**holes.

There is a difference between "Go buy a shiatload of stuff" and "Get a candy bar on occasion."


There is, but that is not the behavior I noticed.

Anyway, a shirt was listed. A nice shirt costs $. "Good" coffee was listed, 2 cups. That's what, $8-10 bucks now days? A catnap in an office chair, during work hours? really hard worker we have there. No wonder that person doesn't make sh*t. thinks the world owes them something.

Why is it that when a rich person acts like the world owes them something, we agree with them; but when a poor person acts like the world owes them something, we condemn them?

LouDobbsAwaaaay: At some point you pass beyond an event horizon, and you've accumulated so much that all of your desires are met except the acquisition of even more, and the power to inflict suffering on people beneath you.

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These guys have so much money that they could easily indulge every desire they have as often as they want, and they'd never get within a stone's throw of burning through their money. Not even a tenth of it. But instead they devote their time and energy to polluting your lakes and rivers, buying your governments, destroying your communities, and making sure your school teachers don't have health insurance. They have everything they could ever want, and this is what they choose to do with themselves.

I remember these guys when they were on the Muppet Show heckling from the audience. I oftened what dish kharma would serve up to these to douchebags after the show went under.

In all reality, I think we've gotten side tracked from the story. Financial zen is when money no longer becomes a factor when making a decision. A good example would be denying your kid a trip with their friends because you can't afford it. It's not like you would have to say no if you had the money. If I did have to say no to my kid I'd prefer to just say no without money clouding the issue.

Having a few extra bucks in the bank is amazing. For quite a while, I've wanted a decent stereo I just could not afford nor make it take precedence over other financial obligations. Suddenly I have the cash enough to afford that stereo, buying that stereo suddenly no longer became a pressing need. Having the ability to make this purchase or not is amazingly satisfying unto itself.

The researchers in this article- by using whatever matrix- -have concluded that, at $75k, most people would have achieved that certain amount of financial satisfaction where most financial decisions could be made on want and need rather than ability/inability to pay.

theknuckler_33: As someone who makes almost exactly $75k, allow me to state unequivicolly that the headline is complete BS.

How do I know you are a corporate hound?

P.S. Don't answer.

ialdabaoth: > No wonBummerDuck: meat0918: BummerDuck: BuckTurgidson: 3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

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Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.

I can't imagine a worse list for advice, this being the top thing. I have dated way to many women that are financially screwed up because someone, sometime told them they should do this. After a while, it was ingrained that when they were depressed, they should go shopping and buy something. And right after they looked at the credit card bills each month, they would shop even more. Horrible cycle of doom if it ever gets out of control, and tying happiness to material thingie gratification is not the right path IMO. That is why rich born kids are usually a**holes.

There is a difference between "Go buy a shiatload of stuff" and "Get a candy bar on occasion."


There is, but that is not the behavior I noticed.

Anyway, a shirt was listed. A nice shirt costs $. "Good" coffee was listed, 2 cups. That's what, $8-10 bucks now days? A catnap in an office chair, during work hours? really hard worker we have there. No wonder that person doesn't make sh*t. thinks the world owes them something.

Why is it that when a rich person acts like the world owes them something, we agree with them; but when a poor person acts like the world owes them something, we condemn them?

Careful management, plebe.

;)

i'm like the happiest i've ever been as unemployed.
if only i had more money for POT NOODLE.

It sounds reasonable, unless you have expensive tastes or live in a big city. Enough to pay bills, have insurance, fix anything that need fixing, save for retirement, and have a vacation once per year.

so basically $75K per individual. If you are a family of 4 (since kids cost $$$), either both spouses have to make combined of 300K or at least one of them make $300K and the others leech off of him.
I can see why most american families are depressed!

Magnanimous_J: The way I see it, money is the blood of the body of your life. All your wishes and dreams and goals are your body. The bigger your dreams, the more ambitious your goals, the bigger your body. But none of it means a damn thing without money because unless your goal is to be the world's most prolific subway masturbater, you're going to need money.

The other important thing to remember about money, is that it is freedom. Pure and simple. Having the constitution and a bill of rights is ultimately meaningless if starving to death is at the whim of your employer.

Personally, I want enough money where I can do anything I want. Decide to go to Paris at 3am for the hell of it, ride my motorcycle through the New Mexican desert and be seduced by a hot Indian chick who feeds me peyote and sings a sandstorm into existence with her Indian powers and we have to hide all night in an adobe ruin of a peasant house from a long forgotten civilization.

I want to have a one night stand with a heart breakingly beautiful raven haired Spanish woman in Playa de Usgo. We never speak again and 19 years later, I go back and am drinking one of those tiny cups of coffee in an outdoor cafe. I make eye contact with the 18 or 19 year old waiter and a flash of recognition crosses his face. He knows that I could never have known about his existence and he forgives me. Not a word is spoken, and I never see him again, but the moment is quite poignant.

Sounds like you may have more than just wanted it, *nudge, nudge wink,wink*

Would those "big dreams " have been more satsfying if you had toiled for them or een just as satisfying if someone else had picked up the tab. i think te more "skin" you have in meeting a goal, the more you value it.

Wangiss: Last study said it was $120,000.
This is one hell of a recession!

this is Fartbongo lowering the rich people, tax the phuq out of them, threshold.

Despite popular assertions to the contrary, science tells us that money can buy happiness. To a point.


Sure are a lot of science-haters in this thread.

That must be with no kids. I hit that years ago and was scraping by. But I moved my kids to an area with great schools.

H31N0US: There is some point at the other side of that plateau where you could quit your job and do whatever you wanted without fearing for your or your loved ones well being.

Stopping work is also dangerous to your happiness. A lot of people, most people, even, become restless and lack a sense of purpose when they don't have anything important to do. You also lose the sense of value when everything is available to you. A fancy dinner at a high-end restaurant every week will bring you less joy than when you were poor and you treated yourself to McDonalds instead of eating cold soup out of a can like usual.

Being rich isn't *that* great. It's pretty cool, but not a necessity.

GilRuiz1: Despite popular assertions to the contrary, science tells us that money can buy happiness. To a point.


Sure are a lot of science-haters in this thread.


You'd think this was a Christian site.

CliChe Guevara: Sorry, but the people around me making $2M a year think they are poor and struggling, too, just like the people did at $500k or at $50k.

Don't try to speak for everyone. Right around the $60k mark I started turning down offers for more money because of the hours. I could certainly use more money, but $60k was where financial stress
I dunno, maybe I'm the only guy left who can budget, but either way I wouldn't claim to be "struggling" on $2M/year or $500k/year if I was on the trippiest 'shrooms on the planet.

LouDobbsAwaaaay:



Who the fark are these two guys?

SuperNinjaToad: so basically $75K per individual. If you are a family of 4 (since kids cost $$$), either both spouses have to make combined of 300K or at least one of them make $300K and the others leech off of him.
I can see why most american families are depressed!

The 75k would apply to head of household although there may be a bit of supplement per family member (far less than 75k). The "well being" would be in knowing that basic essentials were satisfied (food, shelter, transportation, etc) and that there would no financial stress meeting these basic needs.

Not being able to play "groupie" to your favorite artist for their summer concert tour should not be as stressful as, say, losing your power in the winter because you could not afford the electric bill.

Rezinball: LouDobbsAwaaaay:

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Who the fark are these two guys?

Statler and Waldorf.

meat0918: BummerDuck: BuckTurgidson: 3. Buy many small pleasures instead of few big ones

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Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.

I can't imagine a worse list for advice, this being the top thing. I have dated way to many women that are financially screwed up because someone, sometime told them they should do this. After a while, it was ingrained that when they were depressed, they should go shopping and buy something. And right after they looked at the credit card bills each month, they would shop even more. Horrible cycle of doom if it ever gets out of control, and tying happiness to material thingie gratification is not the right path IMO. That is why rich born kids are usually a**holes.

There is a difference between "Go buy a shiatload of stuff" and "Get a candy bar on occasion."

Somewhere along the way, it became "go buy a shiatload of candy bars."

Rezinball: LouDobbsAwaaaay:

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Who the fark are these two guys?

Koch brothers.

Indubitably: Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

So, you're saying it's possible that I haven't accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life? Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.

All kidding aside, though, I am pretty close to it if I'm not there yet. If it's in fact possible to get there.

Odd, mine keeps going up as my salary goes up.

Tarmangani: Indubitably: Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

So, you're saying it's possible that I haven't accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life? Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.

All kidding aside, though, I am pretty close to it if I'm not there yet. If it's in fact possible to get there.

Word

intelligent comment below: GilRuiz1: Despite popular assertions to the contrary, science tells us that money can buy happiness. To a point.


Sure are a lot of science-haters in this thread.


You'd think this was a Christian site.


I know! But this is FARK, so we know that's not the case. How can a website full of scientific sophisticates be suddenly so skeptical of scientific results they dislike? It is unaccountable!

dragonchild: CliChe Guevara: Sorry, but the people around me making $2M a year think they are poor and struggling, too, just like the people did at $500k or at $50k.

Don't try to speak for everyone. Right around the $60k mark I started turning down offers for more money because of the hours. I could certainly use more money, but $60k was where financial stress
I dunno, maybe I'm the only guy left who can budget, but either way I wouldn't claim to be "struggling" on $2M/year or $500k/year if I was on the trippiest 'shrooms on the planet.

*high five*

I also found that around 50-60k was my tipping point where I started worrying a hell of a lot less about the small things. Mind you- I have a family i support and having a few bucks more wouldn't hurt- I just worry a lot less about the more essential things i couldn't afford before.

I am willing to test the effects of a $1,000,000 annual income on my emotional well-being.

/Please make all checks out to "cash"
//It's all in the name of science

Tarmangani: Indubitably: Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

So, you're saying it's possible that I haven't accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life? Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.

All kidding aside, though, I am pretty close to it if I'm not there yet. If it's in fact possible to get there.

Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.

Read it again.

Cybernetic: I am willing to test the effects of a $1,000,000 annual income on my emotional well-being.

/Please make all checks out to "cash"
//It's all in the name of science

Just sent you a check for $-100.00

don't cash it or else it'll send the money to me

Indubitably: Tarmangani: Indubitably: Tarmangani: TheDirtyNacho: And then when you learn about Self-Actualization, perhaps the crowning achievement of an individual's life, you realize that money has very little to do with it at all.

There's a reason a number of religions with a path toward an ideal similar to self-actualization involve taking vows of poverty. Things and the desire of them tend to get in the way.

I had never heard of "self-actualization" until I read about it on here a few minutes ago. The description fits me perfectly, though. By God, I'm self-actualized and didn't even know it.

/only 1% of people ever become self-actualized??

*chuckle*

Um,

Friend: read some more about this before you declare yourself self-actualized, okay?

;)

So, you're saying it's possible that I haven't accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life? Well, that's just like... your opinion, man.

All kidding aside, though, I am pretty close to it if I'm not there yet. If it's in fact possible to get there.

Self-actualized does not mean= accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life accidentally accomplished the crowning achievement of life=squared.

Read it again.

You don't have to work toward self actualization necessarily, sometimes you just sort of find yourself already there without having even realizing it. See Dorothy at the end of the Wizard of Oz.

isn't this just part of the socialist agenda where the administration is prepping you for what you'll all get once it all goes down?

Godscrack: Pawn takes the King: I feel... just... CAPITAL.

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Is that the "Well, Bye" guy from Tombstone - the Tombstone movie with Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer, not the shiatty one with Kevin Costner

Mr. Potatoass: What really happy might look like

Well, that's his happy face.

Snarfangel: GoodOmens: 75K in DC = about 40~50k in no where America.

So yea - where is this 75k number from?

Originally from Indian mathematicians, with the system transmitted to Europe in the Middle Ages by Arabs. But that's not important right now.


This is one reason why I favorited you, Snarfangel . . .

d-fens99: [clatl.com image 400x598]

A man of my caliber couldn't possibly be satisfied with anything less than six figures a year.

+1

I was waiting for his (appropriate) appearance in this thread...