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(Addicting Info)   How has ultraconservative politics fared for Arizona? So well that Arizonans will be hopping the border to Mexico to look for a better life   (addictinginfo.org ) divider line
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2012-06-18 11:27:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Rent Party: coco ebert: make me some tea: coco ebert: As a dual citizen of a "third world" country, I find the comparison to Arizona insulting.

Have you even SEEN Arizona lately?

/kidding
//nothing to see here, just a bit of hyperbole to brighten everyone's day

I keed too. I do think though if Americans looked closer at third world countries, they would find that things are not as third worldy as they think. For instance, things aren't perfect in Turkey, but its health care system is rapidly replacing America's in terms of accessibility for all.

I don't think anyone would describe Turkey as "third world."

I get what she means. Ask anyone who knows where Turkey is if they'd ever go there, and you'd get a lot of comments making you believe that over there they all still wear fezzes and ride camels to work.

Believe it or not, I've heard Istanbul has running water, and even electricity!


I'm just differentiating between actual 3rd world, and what your average 'Murkin' thinks is 3rd world, which would be pretty much everything 100 miles outside the county line.

Turkey is a nice place, unless you're Greek.
 
2012-06-18 11:54:43 PM  

xanadian: there was this little hole-in-the-wall burrito joint off of Broadway


would that be the biatchin' burrito kitchen?
 
2012-06-19 12:31:14 AM  

DancingElkCondor: Sounds like another "I hate Sheriff Arpaio" hit piece

Of course, this writer forgets two main facts: Californians are moving to Arizona because doing anything there besides being an illegal alien is suicide. And, since SB 1070 was passed...unemployment in Ariz. has dropped greatly.

Never seen so much hate at a state for merely stopping criminal illegal aliens from taking over the state


It's really funny that you think a law that had (and still has) a federal injunction preventing it from being enforced from Day 1 had an effect on the state's unemployment rate.
 
2012-06-19 12:39:10 AM  

DancingElkCondor: And, since SB 1070 was passed...unemployment in Ariz. has dropped greatly.


Almost every state in the union has shown a marked decrease in unemployment since 2010 (if you play around with that graph you'll see that almost every state has a spike from 2008 to 2010, followed by a noticeable drop)

That SB 1070 (parts of which are currently under injunction) must be pretty farking amazing to have driven down unemployment nation-wide.
 
2012-06-19 12:50:46 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Arizona: The Mississippi of the West


I think that's unfair-to Mississippi.
 
2012-06-19 01:00:21 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Millennium: Ed Finnerty: So, and check me if I'm wrong, the two states with the biggest new business start-ups under the Obama Administration are Arizona and Texas?

This said, I'm forced to wonder: are there figures over the same amount of time for bankruptcies and/or liquidations of businesses three or fewer years old?

Honest question. I don't know what the numbers are, and it would be interesting to compare them to the number of businesses starting up over a similar time period.

I wish I knew. Hopefully someone will have more information on this.

I am honestly curious too. It struck me as odd that the three states most vocal about "the horrible Obama economy" seem to be the ones starting the most businesses.

The full list:

1. Arizona
2. Texas
3. California
4. Colorado
5. Alaska
6. Missouri
7. Nevada
8. Vermont
9. Idaho
10. Florida


I'm just wondering how Jan Brewer and Rick Scott would explain how leftie paradises like Vermont and California got on the list. That would be some four-star derp right there
 
2012-06-19 02:51:58 AM  

Alphax: PowerSlacker: About that sucky blog:
Addicting Info started as a resource to discredit all the lies and propaganda that the right-wing spreads.

And?

(back to the topic) Taco.. truck? That's a new one to me. Wouldn't mind trying one, but since I start work at 11 pm, they'd have to run pretty late.


depends. Food trucks either show up at lunch in wasteland nowhere business parks or after 10 at drunk people hangouts since restaurants are closed.
 
2012-06-19 05:48:35 AM  
What Harris didn't explicitly say is that the state has a legislature and governor who are willing to gut the educational system, harass its immigrant population, slash healthcare coverage and other benefits, and challenge federal policies at every turn rather than focus on real solutions to real problems. As they have tried to make Arizona an undesirable place for immigrants to live, state officials have made it increasingly undesirable for all its residents-and even its corporations.

there's some objective and fair report'n right there...
 
2012-06-19 05:57:17 AM  

Johnnyknox: What Harris didn't explicitly say is that the state has a legislature and governor who are willing to gut the educational system, harass its immigrant population, slash healthcare coverage and other benefits, and challenge federal policies at every turn rather than focus on real solutions to real problems. As they have tried to make Arizona an undesirable place for immigrants to live, state officials have made it increasingly undesirable for all its residents-and even its corporations.

there's some objective and fair report'n right there...


You think it's not objective?
 
2012-06-19 06:08:48 AM  
Chicago:

President Barack Obama's visit to Chicago didn't stop another violent weekend.

At least seven people were killed and 35 were injured since Friday night. The youngest victim was a 16-year-old girl who died after she was shot three times in the chest Saturday evening in Englewood.

Ten people were shot overnight Friday, and in one hour Sunday morning, three people were killed. The latest shooting happened just after midnight Monday when a 19-year-old was shot to death on the city's North Side.



Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Chicago-Weekend-Shootings-1594048 05.html#ixzz1yESsXYSf

this is what an objective news report looks like to me

i would also suggest that when it comes to 3rd world, Chicago is kicking ass on Phoenix!
 
2012-06-19 06:35:34 AM  

Alphax: Johnnyknox: What Harris didn't explicitly say is that the state has a legislature and governor who are willing to gut the educational system, harass its immigrant population, slash healthcare coverage and other benefits, and challenge federal policies at every turn rather than focus on real solutions to real problems. As they have tried to make Arizona an undesirable place for immigrants to live, state officials have made it increasingly undesirable for all its residents-and even its corporations.

there's some objective and fair report'n right there...

You think it's not objective?


He's likely to be not brown....
 
2012-06-19 08:17:02 AM  

Ed Finnerty: Millennium: Ed Finnerty: So, and check me if I'm wrong, the two states with the biggest new business start-ups under the Obama Administration are Arizona and Texas?

This said, I'm forced to wonder: are there figures over the same amount of time for bankruptcies and/or liquidations of businesses three or fewer years old?

Honest question. I don't know what the numbers are, and it would be interesting to compare them to the number of businesses starting up over a similar time period.

I wish I knew. Hopefully someone will have more information on this.

I am honestly curious too. It struck me as odd that the three states most vocal about "the horrible Obama economy" seem to be the ones starting the most businesses.

The full list:

1. Arizona
2. Texas

3. California
4. Colorado
5. Alaska
6. Missouri
7. Nevada
8. Vermont
9. Idaho
10. Florida


The number of business start-ups is not a real good measure of the health of an economy. Politicians pander to small business because small businesses do create the most jobs year over year. Isn't the statistic like 80% of small businesses go under in 3 years? Small businesses destroy the most jobs each year as well. The real measure would be comparing the percentage of small businesses that remain in business more than 5 years.

Arizona, Texas and Florida whining about "the Obama economy" could be crappy small business owners blaming Obama for their own incompetence.
 
2012-06-19 08:29:36 AM  
Sam Kinison: "You live in a desert!"

Link
 
2012-06-19 08:49:20 AM  

www.sowhowins.com
Schaden ...
Schaden ...
Schadenfreude Ho!

 
2012-06-19 11:13:10 AM  

Johnnyknox: What Harris didn't explicitly say is that the state has a legislature and governor who are willing to gut the educational system, harass its immigrant population, slash healthcare coverage and other benefits, and challenge federal policies at every turn rather than focus on real solutions to real problems. As they have tried to make Arizona an undesirable place for immigrants to live, state officials have made it increasingly undesirable for all its residents-and even its corporations.

there's some objective and fair report'n right there...


Wait... a blog, written by a blogger, has a... bias?

HOLY DOGSHIAT ON A POPSICLE STICK MY WHOLE WORLDVIEW IS DESTROYED!!!
 
2012-06-19 11:14:51 AM  
My dream is to move to Arizona and open up an imported leather shop.

/Ah, who am I kidding? I'd out of business in a week's time.
 
2012-06-19 12:15:29 PM  

violentsalvation: It was poised to become either a great place to live, or "an uncompetitive, unsustainable place where the standard of living stagnates or declines and the position of Arizona tumbles from its historic attractiveness to undesirable."

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I don't think having lots of new businesses is the same as having lots of successful businesses. Wouldn't quality of life for participants be a better measure of the overall health of an economy?
 
2012-06-19 12:28:20 PM  
My parents retired to AZ, my brother lives there full time, and we considered moving there, so I think I have a decent perspective for an out-of-stater.

The state is structured to be what it is, and depending on your age it's either great, or really hard to make a go of it. The key is most of the people there just want AZ to be a smaller out of the way place with its "Don't Tread On Me" mindset.

My retired parents love it--low taxes, no kids in their part of town, and no worries about the weather. My brother is having a bear of a time keeping a job due to so many shifts in their economic base--banking tanked, as we all remembered.

We didn't move there because of the crappy schools, huge risk in keeping a job, and since we grew up in Wisconsin, couldn't imagine being a kid with no snow.

Beyond everything else, they're definitely missing the boat on having a good public school system. I would hope even the most hardcore conservative knows you need at least that. The battle here in WI was about excess benefit costs and bringing teacher's total package in line with society at large, not making them work for $12 an hour, like their union lied about.
 
2012-06-19 02:07:34 PM  

fickenchucker: The key is most of the people there just want AZ to be a smaller out of the way place with its "Don't Tread On Me" mindset.


And yet we depend on the Federal Government for our existance out here. That mindset isn't translated into reality. It's like standing in the welfare line and biatching about welfare. It is beyond stupid. Don't fall for this.

My retired parents love it--low taxes, no kids in their part of town, and no worries about the weather.

You'll find that most people hate those retirement communities for their disastrous impact on our politics. And those retirees flee when the weather is worrisome.
 
2012-06-19 04:04:36 PM  
Arizona is a shiathole. There's a reason most people go to school there and then immediately take their degrees elsewhere, myself included.

The place is going through major brain drain, but I'm sure all the invalid moron racists waiting to die in Sun City, Surprise, Scottsdale, Paradise Valley, etc., will all help the economy make a vibrant comeback!
 
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