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(C|Net)   While Americans fight over whether or not a giant invisible man in the sky creates life at conception inside womens bellies, China just docked with its own space station module   (news.cnet.com ) divider line
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2012-06-18 12:41:15 PM  
+1 for the jab
 
2012-06-18 12:44:39 PM  
Plus, these are the same folks who have bought up a decent chunk of our T-bonds and other debt instruments, and who make well over 50% of all products sold in this country (it seems like it at least).

But nah, nothing to worry about here! Now, let's continue fighting over whether clean air is a right, whether the earth might be getting warmer, or if we need a minimum wage anymore - obviously, those are the critical issues of our time*


*if time = the 1500s.
 
2012-06-18 12:45:33 PM  
Oh, you mean like we did in the early 60's with the Gemini missions? Call me back when China has been to the moon and has had rovers on Mars for over 8 years.
 
2012-06-18 12:52:48 PM  
Gonna visit Kennedy Center this summer with my kids. Made them watch The Right Stuff. We will show up, point and say, "That was from when America was great. The was from when America lead. Let's go get some cotton candy."
 
2012-06-18 12:53:34 PM  

WTF Indeed: Oh, you mean like we did in the early 60's with the Gemini missions? Call me back when China has been to the moon and has had rovers on Mars for over 8 years.


This is exactly the type of "logic" that is allowing them to rapidly blow past us.

"Hurr durr we did something 60 years ago that was cool so we will rule for eternity! AMURRICA!!!!"

Guess what? America never had their own Spacspace station. Mir and ISS were collaborative. China is going at it alone.
 
2012-06-18 12:54:34 PM  
Don't forget most of the world has some foolish mystical belief about life and death. Not just us dumb Americans.
 
2012-06-18 12:57:51 PM  

logistic: WTF Indeed: Oh, you mean like we did in the early 60's with the Gemini missions? Call me back when China has been to the moon and has had rovers on Mars for over 8 years.

This is exactly the type of "logic" that is allowing them to rapidly blow past us.

"Hurr durr we did something 60 years ago that was cool so we will rule for eternity! AMURRICA!!!!"

Guess what? America never had their own Spacspace station. Mir and ISS were collaborative. China is going at it alone.


Skylab? In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.
 
2012-06-18 12:58:12 PM  

logistic: Guess what? America never had their own Spacspace station. Mir and ISS were collaborative. China is going at it alone.


Skylab would like a word with you.
 
2012-06-18 01:02:09 PM  

logistic: This is exactly the type of "logic" that is allowing them to rapidly blow past us.

"Hurr durr we did something 60 years ago that was cool so we will rule for eternity! AMURRICA!!!!"

Guess what? America never had their own Spacspace station. Mir and ISS were collaborative. China is going at it alone.


Wow, you're stupid.

First, meet Skylab. From 1973 to 1979, Skylab was in orbit. The Space Shuttle was designed to service the replacement for Skylab. Funding was cut for the Space Station, and all the was left was the Shuttle. Currently, low earth orbit is the technological equivalent of flying across the Atlantic. Future NASA missions are set to the goal "passed Earth's orbit", meaning the moon, Mars, and asteroids.
 
2012-06-18 01:03:23 PM  
Welcome to 1960, China.
 
2012-06-18 01:09:26 PM  

WTF Indeed: logistic: This is exactly the type of "logic" that is allowing them to rapidly blow past us.

"Hurr durr we did something 60 years ago that was cool so we will rule for eternity! AMURRICA!!!!"

Guess what? America never had their own Spacspace station. Mir and ISS were collaborative. China is going at it alone.

Wow, you're stupid.

First, meet Skylab. From 1973 to 1979, Skylab was in orbit. The Space Shuttle was designed to service the replacement for Skylab. Funding was cut for the Space Station, and all the was left was the Shuttle. Currently, low earth orbit is the technological equivalent of flying across the Atlantic. Future NASA missions are set to the goal "passed Earth's orbit", meaning the moon, Mars, and asteroids.


I thought Skylab was NASA/Europe?
 
2012-06-18 01:10:45 PM  

Nabb1: In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.


You mean the willingness for Republican administrations and Congresses to gut NASA funding, while at the same time biatch about the "decline of America"? And how are we losing the race? China's current position in the race is a very distant third, so distant that the Air Force just landed it's robotic spy shuttle last night after 250 days in orbit. You are biatching about losing a race we won in 1969. Now it's about the effective use of space travel and how to efficiently move in between worlds.

Call me when China develops an Ion Thruster, or prefects scramjet.
 
2012-06-18 01:11:43 PM  

Mentat: Skylab would like a word with you.


I was wrong once before, September 18th 1989 when I told my third grade teacher that Dukakis was going to win the presidency. This may be number 2.
 
2012-06-18 01:18:41 PM  
so is the space station module pregnant now or not?
 
2012-06-18 01:20:56 PM  
Also keep in mind that a probe we built in the 70's is about to enter interstellar space. And we have a probe in bound to Pluto. And we currently have probes engaged in long-term studies of Saturn and the sun. And we're about to put our third semi-autonomous rover on Mars. I'd like to see more, but we're doing ok.
 
2012-06-18 01:40:48 PM  

WTF Indeed: Oh, you mean like we did in the early 60's with the Gemini missions? Call me back when China has been to the moon and has had rovers on Mars for over 8 years.


The people who were behind those missions are all dead or retired.

Nowadays, sadly, the United States lacks the knowhow to accomplish anything approaching those feats without going all the way back to the drawing board.
 
2012-06-18 01:43:48 PM  

gilgigamesh: The people who were behind those missions are all dead or retired.

Nowadays, sadly, the United States lacks the knowhow to accomplish anything approaching those feats without going all the way back to the drawing board.


Okay, now you are the stupidest one here. Space X just designed, built, and successfully launched a low-earth orbit docking mission at the faction of the cost of NASA. Yes, Americans can't do shiat anymore....
 
2012-06-18 01:47:44 PM  

WTF Indeed: Okay, now you are the stupidest one here.


*puts on helmet* YEAAAA YEAAAAA YEEEAAAAAA I WIN THE PRIZE

Space X just designed, built, and successfully launched a low-earth orbit docking mission at the faction of the cost of NASA. Yes, Americans can't do shiat anymore....

Call me when they figure out how to send a team to the moon and return them safely, or send a probe into interstellar space that still works after 35 years. You know, like we did decades ago, but can't do now.

Because that was what you were talking about, as opposed to the strawman you are addressing now.
 
2012-06-18 01:54:42 PM  
I'm not particularly worried. We just don't talk about our space missions as much as we used to:

Spaceplane touches down after more than a year
 
2012-06-18 01:59:01 PM  

gilgigamesh: Call me when they figure out how to send a team to the moon and return them safely, or send a probe into interstellar space that still works after 35 years. You know, like we did decades ago, but can't do now.

Because that was what you were talking about, as opposed to the strawman you are addressing now.


So China, the world's largest nation, is slightly ahead of Space X, a small company, in terms of space technology. You originally argued against my point that space docking is very old news by saying "Nowadays, sadly, the United States lacks the knowhow to accomplish anything approaching those feats without going all the way back to the drawing board." So when I say that Space X just did that last month, you tell me I'm wrong because they haven't put a man on the moon.
 
2012-06-18 02:06:26 PM  

WTF Indeed: Nabb1: In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.

You mean the willingness for Republican administrations and Congresses to gut NASA funding,


Because the current Administration has been oh-so gung-ho about space exploration and funding NASA to the point where our astronauts now have to bum rides to work from the Russians.
 
2012-06-18 02:12:17 PM  

WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: Call me when they figure out how to send a team to the moon and return them safely, or send a probe into interstellar space that still works after 35 years. You know, like we did decades ago, but can't do now.

Because that was what you were talking about, as opposed to the strawman you are addressing now.

So China, the world's largest nation, is slightly ahead of Space X, a small company, in terms of space technology. You originally argued against my point that space docking is very old news by saying "Nowadays, sadly, the United States lacks the knowhow to accomplish anything approaching those feats without going all the way back to the drawing board." So when I say that Space X just did that last month, you tell me I'm wrong because they haven't put a man on the moon.


Did you actually just selectively quote me? You know I do have an up arrow on my computer to go back to the quote, right?

WTF Indeed: Oh, you mean like we did in the early 60's with the Gemini missions? Call me back when China has been to the moon and has had rovers on Mars for over 8 years.

The people who were behind those missions are all dead or retired.

Nowadays, sadly, the United States lacks the knowhow to accomplish anything approaching those feats without going all the way back to the drawing board.


I may be getting forgetful in my old age, but give me a little credit. I can still remember stuff I wrote 10 minutes ago.

I was referencing the points you made about the moon landings and such from the 60s and 70s, not the Chinese mission. We no longer have the ability to land people on the moon, because that knowledge is now lost. My point was that in order to match our accomplishments of 40 years ago, we would need to start from scratch. Which, let's face it, isn't going to happen for a generation or more, if at all.
 
2012-06-18 02:16:32 PM  

Nabb1: Because the current Administration has been oh-so gung-ho about space exploration and funding NASA to the point where our astronauts now have to bum rides to work from the Russians.


That sad incident completely broke 10 year old Gil Gigamesh's heart. He thought by now he'd be commuting to his job on Moon Base Alpha.
 
2012-06-18 02:17:55 PM  

gilgigamesh: We no longer have the ability to land people on the moon, because that knowledge is now lost.


Interesting. All this time I thought we were keeping detailed records of our missions to the moon.

Not saying we could do it tomorrow, but we could probably get the program up and running again within a few years. Maybe sooner if we don't mind killing off astronauts in the process.
 
2012-06-18 02:22:52 PM  
That's somehow worse than thinking magical sky man waits until you pass through a vagina before bestowing life upon you?
 
2012-06-18 02:24:41 PM  

Shostie: gilgigamesh: We no longer have the ability to land people on the moon, because that knowledge is now lost.

Interesting. All this time I thought we were keeping detailed records of our missions to the moon.

Not saying we could do it tomorrow, but we could probably get the program up and running again within a few years. Maybe sooner if we don't mind killing off astronauts in the process.


Yeah, seems like the knowledge is still there, and SpaceX has been given access whatever NASA data they want. I'm pretty sure that we don't need Professor Flattop and his sliderule to get back into the space travel business.
 
2012-06-18 02:26:22 PM  
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2012-06-18 02:28:42 PM  

Shostie: gilgigamesh: We no longer have the ability to land people on the moon, because that knowledge is now lost.

Interesting. All this time I thought we were keeping detailed records of our missions to the moon.

Not saying we could do it tomorrow, but we could probably get the program up and running again within a few years. Maybe sooner if we don't mind killing off astronauts in the process.


I was reading an article a while back about how the knowledge used to effect the moon landing basically died/retired with the guys at NASA who accomplished it.

When I have a free minute I will try and find it.
 
2012-06-18 02:33:17 PM  

gilgigamesh: Shostie: gilgigamesh: We no longer have the ability to land people on the moon, because that knowledge is now lost.

Interesting. All this time I thought we were keeping detailed records of our missions to the moon.

Not saying we could do it tomorrow, but we could probably get the program up and running again within a few years. Maybe sooner if we don't mind killing off astronauts in the process.

I was reading an article a while back about how the knowledge used to effect the moon landing basically died/retired with the guys at NASA who accomplished it.

When I have a free minute I will try and find it.


I think the difference here is between "knowledge" and "experience."

We have the knowledge. We know how it was done. What we don't have is enough experienced workers.

Then again, most of the now-retiring experienced workers weren't all that experienced when they started, since, you know, NO ONE had done it before.

So, basically, what I'm saying is that we could do it if we really wanted to. But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of motivation for it at the moment.
 
2012-06-18 02:36:15 PM  

Shostie: I think the difference here is between "knowledge" and "experience."

We have the knowledge. We know how it was done. What we don't have is enough experienced workers.

Then again, most of the now-retiring experienced workers weren't all that experienced when they started, since, you know, NO ONE had done it before.

So, basically, what I'm saying is that we could do it if we really wanted to. But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of motivation for it at the moment.


I said if we did it, we would have to start from scratch. How is that different from what you are saying?

The first time we started from scratch to accomplish a moon landing, it took us 10 years of dedicated effort.
 
2012-06-18 02:38:49 PM  

gilgigamesh: I said if we did it, we would have to start from scratch. How is that different from what you are saying?


Apparently it's not.

*clinks glass*

Cheers.
 
2012-06-18 02:50:10 PM  

Shostie: gilgigamesh: I said if we did it, we would have to start from scratch. How is that different from what you are saying?

Apparently it's not.

*clinks glass*

Cheers.


Oh now you've done it. Now I am thirsty for yummy scotch. When my wife wants to know who to blame when I come home drunk, I'm pointing her your way.

I can't find anything to back up my claim as to lost knowledge of the moon landing. I found an article from 2007 about retired NASA engineers holding a seminar with current employees relating to aiding them for a planned moon landing mission for 2020. Heh.

And now I really need a drink.
 
2012-06-18 02:53:02 PM  
meanwhile,

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2012-06-18 02:54:57 PM  

logistic: WTF Indeed: Oh, you mean like we did in the early 60's with the Gemini missions? Call me back when China has been to the moon and has had rovers on Mars for over 8 years.

This is exactly the type of "logic" that is allowing them to rapidly blow past us.

"Hurr durr we did something 60 years ago that was cool so we will rule for eternity! AMURRICA!!!!"

Guess what? America never had their own Spacspace station. Mir and ISS were collaborative. China is going at it alone.


That sounds a lot like the people who like to point out that China was more advanced than Europe 1,000 years ago.
 
2012-06-18 03:19:55 PM  
That's awesome, it was a great event in space exploration when it happened yesterday.
 
2012-06-18 03:24:28 PM  

Nabb1: WTF Indeed: Nabb1: In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.

You mean the willingness for Republican administrations and Congresses to gut NASA funding,

Because the current Administration has been oh-so gung-ho about space exploration and funding NASA to the point where our astronauts now have to bum rides to work from the Russians.


How would the president fund Nasa without congress?
 
2012-06-18 03:24:50 PM  

Nabb1: Skylab? In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.


How are we going to pay for the space program, with tax cuts?
 
2012-06-18 03:25:47 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Nabb1: WTF Indeed: Nabb1: In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.

You mean the willingness for Republican administrations and Congresses to gut NASA funding,

Because the current Administration has been oh-so gung-ho about space exploration and funding NASA to the point where our astronauts now have to bum rides to work from the Russians.

How would the president fund Nasa without congress?


Oh, my mistake. I forgot the President had been pushing Congress so hard on the issue.
 
2012-06-18 03:25:56 PM  

gilgigamesh: I said if we did it, we would have to start from scratch. How is that different from what you are saying?

The first time we started from scratch to accomplish a moon landing, it took us 10 years of dedicated effort.


So you think our knowledge of rocketry, etc is the same today as it was in 1960?
 
2012-06-18 03:26:01 PM  
Guess all that lead from China is good for something... like protecting their module from x-rays
 
2012-06-18 03:26:10 PM  
fanday.ru
 
2012-06-18 03:26:29 PM  
Headline is sad.
 
2012-06-18 03:27:00 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Nabb1: Skylab? In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.

How are we going to pay for the space program, with tax cuts?


There are some intelligent counterpoints to what I stated. That is not one of them. I don't feel like brushing up on my derp, so try something else, please.
 
2012-06-18 03:27:07 PM  
It's so good to know that China has forsaken bs fantasy for scientificism..

www.rhinoconservation.org
 
2012-06-18 03:27:34 PM  

WTF Indeed: You mean the willingness for Republican administrations and Congresses to gut NASA funding, while at the same time biatch about the "decline of America"?


Democrats have controlled congress for most of my lifetime going back to the 70's and as recently has 2006-2010.
 
2012-06-18 03:28:44 PM  

gilgigamesh: Call me when they figure out how to send a team to the moon and return them safely, or send a probe into interstellar space that still works after 35 years. You know, like we did decades ago, but can't do now.


What the fark are you talking about, we have sent out lots of probes since then and more are on the way. As for sending people back to the moon....why?
 
2012-06-18 03:30:06 PM  
Here, why don't you take some time away from hurling the usual pointless barbs and hear it from someone much more eloquent than myself, Mr. Neil Degrasse Tyson

Part 1

Part 2
 
2012-06-18 03:31:06 PM  

Nabb1: HotWingConspiracy: Nabb1: WTF Indeed: Nabb1: In any event, our willingness to fall behind in space exploration is appalling, but that has more to do with apathy than anything else. We are no longer a society that aspires to greatness.

You mean the willingness for Republican administrations and Congresses to gut NASA funding,

Because the current Administration has been oh-so gung-ho about space exploration and funding NASA to the point where our astronauts now have to bum rides to work from the Russians.

How would the president fund Nasa without congress?

Oh, my mistake. I forgot the President had been pushing Congress so hard on the issue.


Right, congress just does whatever that guy wants.

So, how would the president fund Nasa without congress?
 
2012-06-18 03:31:41 PM  

Hand Banana: gilgigamesh: Call me when they figure out how to send a team to the moon and return them safely, or send a probe into interstellar space that still works after 35 years. You know, like we did decades ago, but can't do now.

What the fark are you talking about, we have sent out lots of probes since then and more are on the way. As for sending people back to the moon....why?


To appease the Whaler's Union, of course.
 
2012-06-18 03:33:47 PM  
Well, good for them. No, really!
 
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