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2012-06-18 01:16:17 PM
You know, when I looked at BB App world in 2010 and saw that many (most of the apps) were "themes", it really drove home the fact that RIM was five years behind would never, ever catch up. In 2012 the only change is that half the app pre-loads on a brand-new BB simply don't work.

Holy shiat what a terrible, mismanaged platform.

Package the OE as an Android app already.
 
2012-06-18 02:12:58 PM

Babwa Wawa: You know, when I looked at BB App world in 2010 and saw that many (most of the apps) were "themes", it really drove home the fact that RIM was five years behind would never, ever catch up.


RIMM has never really cared about the apps or the end user experience as much as the corporate customer.
 
2012-06-18 02:28:12 PM

R.A.Danny: Babwa Wawa: You know, when I looked at BB App world in 2010 and saw that many (most of the apps) were "themes", it really drove home the fact that RIM was five years behind would never, ever catch up.

RIMM has never really cared about the apps or the end user experience as much as the corporate customer.


As the corporate customer I don't care about apps or an end user experience. I want a keyboard that I can get up to 40+ words a minute on, the highest level of encryption, and a device that is impossible to break into. I want something that wont have any virus experiences. Other benefits I'm looking for is something that can last through being dropped multiple times while running through an airport. If it gets water on it and doesn't stop working? Even better.

I have an iPad and two kindles plus a laptop if I need any other functionality on the road from mobile devices those will do.
 
2012-06-18 02:28:13 PM
Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!
 
2012-06-18 02:29:58 PM

R.A.Danny: RIMM has never really cared about the apps or the end user experience as much as the corporate customer


That's obvious. But when a corporation pretends that it cares about the consumer market, and then utterly fails at appealing to it, people chalk that up to a failure.

And even the "focus on corporation" strategy is misguided as long as they mandate the OE runs only on RIM devices. People will use their consumer devices for work - that's been the trend for a decade now. Failure to appeal to consumers equals failure in both the consumer and enterprise market.

They could have been successful with this approach had they allowed their OE to run in an encrypted sandbox on iOS or Android devices. Very few companies really want to develop their own ActiveSync clients. Five years ago the case could have been made to Apple or Android manufacturers that they should just allow a RIM OE in their app stores. Now it's too late.
 
2012-06-18 02:38:21 PM
Blackberry is for old people who had a fax machine when it still meant something.
 
2012-06-18 02:42:37 PM

Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!


As a Verizon Galaxy Nexus owner, I advise you to root that shiat and flash a custom ROM as soon as possible, because hoo boy, you will never get software updates otherwise.
 
2012-06-18 02:45:21 PM

xynix: R.A.Danny: Babwa Wawa: You know, when I looked at BB App world in 2010 and saw that many (most of the apps) were "themes", it really drove home the fact that RIM was five years behind would never, ever catch up.

RIMM has never really cared about the apps or the end user experience as much as the corporate customer.

As the corporate customer I don't care about apps or an end user experience. I want a keyboard that I can get up to 40+ words a minute on, the highest level of encryption, and a device that is impossible to break into. I want something that wont have any virus experiences. Other benefits I'm looking for is something that can last through being dropped multiple times while running through an airport. If it gets water on it and doesn't stop working? Even better.

I have an iPad and two kindles plus a laptop if I need any other functionality on the road from mobile devices those will do.


encrypted-tbn1.google.com

/blackberry keyboards SUCK.
 
2012-06-18 02:46:57 PM
Kind of sad, a lot of RIM jobs are going to be lost when that company goes under.
 
2012-06-18 02:53:29 PM

RichieLaw: /blackberry keyboards SUCK.


I hated that that particular model wasn't spring-loaded. It just didn't feel right, considering every other slider on the market at that time was spring-loaded.
 
2012-06-18 02:59:27 PM

Babwa Wawa: They could have been successful with this approach had they allowed their OE to run in an encrypted sandbox on iOS or Android devices.


It can still happen. Corporations LOVE that pipe through Canada.
 
2012-06-18 03:26:06 PM
Samsung is going to punch RIM in the face and spill their broken teeth all over the floor like teeny chiclet keys from a Blackberry Bold.
 
2012-06-18 03:44:29 PM
Meh. Wake me up when they have a Nokia and HTC type of hammer test.
/I know some rich asshat will do it
//Now if Nokia, HTC, or Samsung would just put the test in a TV ad pounding a nail in a iPhone.
HTC Link
Nokia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf1fRu9YgfE
 
2012-06-18 03:44:30 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: RichieLaw: /blackberry keyboards SUCK.

I hated that that particular model wasn't spring-loaded. It just didn't feel right, considering every other slider on the market at that time was spring-loaded.


That's the droid 4, the newest model on the market, although it is not spring-loaded. I have a droid 3 right now and it doesn't bother me to slide the keyboard out. It takes less than a second.
 
2012-06-18 04:12:36 PM

Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!


Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.
 
2012-06-18 04:17:54 PM

darwinpolice: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

As a Verizon Galaxy Nexus owner, I advise you to root that shiat and flash a custom ROM as soon as possible, because hoo boy, you will never get software updates otherwise.


I'd recommend rooting on principle. Block ads, do whatever the hell you please on your device, etc.
 
2012-06-18 04:20:54 PM

darwinpolice: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

As a Verizon Galaxy Nexus owner, I advise you to root that shiat and flash a custom ROM as soon as possible, because hoo boy, you will never get software updates otherwise.


That's too bad, because my Sprint Nexus is pretty damned awesome and I get updates with no problem. The nice thing is that this time Sprint left out all of the pre-loaded crapware, to the point where when I got my phones I had to work with a customer service rep to program them for Sprint's network. Was a bit of a pain, but it turned out to be entirely beneficial in the long-run.
 
2012-06-18 04:21:11 PM

divx88: darwinpolice: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

As a Verizon Galaxy Nexus owner, I advise you to root that shiat and flash a custom ROM as soon as possible, because hoo boy, you will never get software updates otherwise.

I'd recommend rooting on principle. Block ads, do whatever the hell you please on your device, etc.


Couldn't agree more. Also, I had a physical device failure (USB charging port started badly overheating as soon as it was plugged in) and they replaced it under warranty despite the unlocked bootloader.
 
2012-06-18 04:56:17 PM

RichieLaw: GavinTheAlmighty: RichieLaw: /blackberry keyboards SUCK.

I hated that that particular model wasn't spring-loaded. It just didn't feel right, considering every other slider on the market at that time was spring-loaded.

That's the droid 4, the newest model on the market, although it is not spring-loaded. I have a droid 3 right now and it doesn't bother me to slide the keyboard out. It takes less than a second.


The Motorola DROID slider line (1, 2, R2D2, 2G, 3, and 4) all have excellent keyboards and each iteration has had better keyboards. I had an original DROID, and the D2G... My girlfriend has the 3... I've played extensively with the 4, and cannot complain about the keyboards one bit. they open smooth, have a nice semi-locking nub when the keyboard is open, and close just as smooth. Between that and soft keyboard solutions (SwiftKey is my favorite), you can type relatively fast on the phones.
 
2012-06-18 04:58:29 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.


Wut?
 
2012-06-18 05:01:23 PM
What I like is how most people who complain about RIM haven't used a Blackberry ever, or the last one they used was something running OS 5 or 6.

Bold 9900 running OS 7.1 is quite capable.

And so far from a developer view, OS 10 is looking great. If you want to talk apps, you unfortunately have to look forward and see what's on the PlayBook... that will show you what their future is (right now pretty small)

RIM isn't dead yet, they have this fall to pull off almost a year of transition, after that... yeah I'd be willing to call it a day if they truly don't move forward.

BB10 Initial thoughts and Gallery


Crackberry goes to Waterloo to see RIM's future

One of the key take aways from a few of the developers I met with was that RIM's dev support team is by far the best in the mobile space. One devloper said "I can call or email anyone of the dev support team and I get a response, try that with the other guys, and it isn't as easy".
 
2012-06-18 05:14:21 PM

Cooper420: What I like is how most people who complain about RIM haven't used a Blackberry ever, or the last one they used was something running OS 5 or 6.

Bold 9900 running OS 7.1 is quite capable.

And so far from a developer view, OS 10 is looking great. If you want to talk apps, you unfortunately have to look forward and see what's on the PlayBook... that will show you what their future is (right now pretty small)

RIM isn't dead yet, they have this fall to pull off almost a year of transition, after that... yeah I'd be willing to call it a day if they truly don't move forward.

BB10 Initial thoughts and Gallery


Crackberry goes to Waterloo to see RIM's future

One of the key take aways from a few of the developers I met with was that RIM's dev support team is by far the best in the mobile space. One devloper said "I can call or email anyone of the dev support team and I get a response, try that with the other guys, and it isn't as easy".


Oh look, a RIM employee!

Alec Saunders has done miraculous work with RIM's developer relations, but it's not going to be enough to save you. BlackBerry 10 could be the shiniest, coolest, most awesomest piece of kit to come out in a generation, but it is too late to stop the avalanche of executives that want an iPhone or Android device, and therefore no longer care so much about all that IT security crap that got them onto Blackberry in the first place.

The barbarians are at the door, and they'll be raping and pillaging your enterprise customers real soon now.
 
2012-06-18 05:33:39 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.


Are they just actively trying to lose customers now?
 
2012-06-18 05:57:52 PM

Cooper420: What I like is how most people who complain about RIM haven't used a Blackberry ever, or the last one they used was something running OS 5 or 6.

Bold 9900 running OS 7.1 is quite capable.

And so far from a developer view, OS 10 is looking great. If you want to talk apps, you unfortunately have to look forward and see what's on the PlayBook... that will show you what their future is (right now pretty small)

RIM isn't dead yet, they have this fall to pull off almost a year of transition, after that... yeah I'd be willing to call it a day if they truly don't move forward.

BB10 Initial thoughts and Gallery


Crackberry goes to Waterloo to see RIM's future

One of the key take aways from a few of the developers I met with was that RIM's dev support team is by far the best in the mobile space. One devloper said "I can call or email anyone of the dev support team and I get a response, try that with the other guys, and it isn't as easy".


Thanks RIM PR guy!

There's no money in blackberry apps anymore. It used to be nice to be a big fish in a little pond, but no one is buying anything anymore. Regardless the developer tools are EONS ahead of RIM at Apple and it makes me happy on the inside to never see that shiatty JDE again.
 
2012-06-18 06:28:15 PM

tgambitg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.

Wut?


Yeah, that's to keep your EXISTING plan. Everyone else who might have switched to Verizon is hosed. I'm not sure why anyone would bother at this point...their new pricing is completely non-competitive for most people.
 
2012-06-18 06:30:18 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.

Are they just actively trying to lose customers now?


Their argument is that it is a great deal if you have multiple devices, since it is shared. Which is nice, I guess, but it in no way changes the fact that it is an unholy screw-job for everyone else. Yeah...I don't get it. But hey, for $100, you can get 2GB, so...yay?
 
2012-06-18 06:30:47 PM
Babwa Wawa

You know, when I looked at BB App world in 2010 and saw that many (most of the apps) were "themes", it really drove home the fact that RIM was five years behind would never, ever catch up. In 2012 the only change is that half the app pre-loads on a brand-new BB simply don't work.

Holy shiat what a terrible, mismanaged platform.

Which explains why its devotes are such idiots.
3.bp.blogspot.com


/// "mismanaged" is his trademark
 
2012-06-18 06:32:42 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dr J Zoidberg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.

Are they just actively trying to lose customers now?

Their argument is that it is a great deal if you have multiple devices, since it is shared. Which is nice, I guess, but it in no way changes the fact that it is an unholy screw-job for everyone else. Yeah...I don't get it. But hey, for $100, you can get 2GB, so...yay?


Never thought I'd say I was glad I switched to US Cellular, but hey, they still have unlimited data and are rolling out their own 4G LTE network
 
2012-06-18 06:35:05 PM

Dr J Zoidberg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.

Are they just actively trying to lose customers now?


Naw, most of the folks who got the DroidX on launch are hitting the S3 and keeping unlimited data for another two years. Confirmed with multiple Verizon storemonkeys and CSR phone reps. I am freakin out, It's like waiting for Christmas morning!
 
2012-06-18 09:19:07 PM

Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!


Along with losing ur Unlimited plan as well.

/getting a Nexus for that exact reason.
 
2012-06-18 09:21:37 PM

tgambitg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.

Wut?


Best news I've never seen.

/pre-orders
 
2012-06-18 09:30:29 PM
When the SIII comes out, I am telling Bell to EABOD and DIAF and cancelling my contract to go with Wind to get it. No retention plan on the planet is going to keep me with this farce of a company.

/long story short: paying $100 per month, bought a handset off contract because the one I got was defective and they wouldn't fix it or replace it under warranty, and when that one died they STILL wouldn't give me a replacement
//despite being 1.5 years into my term...
 
2012-06-18 11:45:57 PM

Cooper420: And so far from a developer view, OS 10 is looking great.


But not from a user perspective. OS 10 isn't backwards-compatible with BlackBerry apps written for previous OS'es, so if anyone was sticking with BlackBerry because they didn't want to replace all of their apps, RIM has literally given them the perfect excuse to switch to one of their competitors.

Citation
 
2012-06-18 11:56:34 PM
Regardless the developer tools are EONS ahead of RIM at Apple and it makes me happy on the inside to never see that shiatty JDE again

You realize BB10 development is done using Eclipse, right? With some extremely awesome profiling/instrumentation features provided by QNX?

OS 10 isn't backwards-compatible with BlackBerry apps written for previous OS'es

The same can be said for the competition. Fragmentation is universal. Many of the BB7 apps are easy to craft with WebWorks, and the native stuff is rather easy to integrate/port.
 
2012-06-19 12:30:28 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Their argument is that it is a great deal if you have multiple devices, since it is shared. Which is nice, I guess, but it in no way changes the fact that it is an unholy screw-job for everyone else. Yeah...I don't get it. But hey, for $100, you can get 2GB, so...yay?


Wife and I are on the Family Plan at T-Mobile. With text and normal minutes, together we pay, minus about 18bux for taxes and the like, about $150 a month for two separate phones. She's home, and if anything uses the WiFi. If I go through data, it's only my 2Gig/month before throttling.

So, Verizon sharing data it's about the same, with 4Gig to share, mostly to me.

So, yes, I'm screwed on getting a discount, but I already wasn't getting that much of a discount, and to boot I was on T-Mobile, which outside urban areas the data is nearly non-existent, and never 3G. AT&T has great data coverage outside urban areas in South Texas, weaker in Northeast Texas, Verizon has strong coverage outside urban areas in Northeast Tx, and not as great in South Texas.

As to Samsung, you might qualify to trade in your phone for a Samsung
samsungsafe2switch.com/
It's part of the program, but apparently not mentioned in the article this thread is based on.
 
2012-06-19 01:05:04 AM
That would be biatchin', especially if it was the new OS on a Motorola Droid 4 with the keyboard.
 
2012-06-19 01:34:24 AM

Dr J Zoidberg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Dr J Zoidberg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.

Are they just actively trying to lose customers now?

Their argument is that it is a great deal if you have multiple devices, since it is shared. Which is nice, I guess, but it in no way changes the fact that it is an unholy screw-job for everyone else. Yeah...I don't get it. But hey, for $100, you can get 2GB, so...yay?

Never thought I'd say I was glad I switched to US Cellular, but hey, they still have unlimited data and are rolling out their own 4G LTE network


US Cellular's maximum data limit is 10 GB. Sprint is the only traditional carrier offering unlimited data.
 
2012-06-19 02:10:46 AM

Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!


mine arrives thursday.
 
2012-06-19 09:12:47 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.


Is that a typical plan price? Very expensive if it is. I'm on 2GB, 150 mins, and about (includes both web texts, sent using a native app, and phone texts) 450 texts per month for €45 per month.
 
2012-06-19 09:35:40 AM

kickapuppy: Dr J Zoidberg: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Barbwiremike: Man I can't wait for my s3 to get here. You're killing me Verizon!!

Enjoy the new $90/month for 1GB of data plan, which they so nicely delayed their S3 launch for in order to prevent people from sneaking under the fence.

Are they just actively trying to lose customers now?

Naw, most of the folks who got the DroidX on launch are hitting the S3 and keeping unlimited data for another two years. Confirmed with multiple Verizon storemonkeys and CSR phone reps. I am freakin out, It's like waiting for Christmas morning!


Yeah I'm already on their plan so unlimited data is locked in (it's a business account anyway). As luck would have it my Fascinate came due for an upgrade on June 6. :)
 
2012-06-19 09:54:46 AM
Blackberry had only the security going for it. It was a must have for government or places like hospitals that required high security. Now that android is coming up with integrated security in their phones RIM/Blackberry has no reason to exist.

Yes, in the last few years you could purchase and integrate third-party apps for the iPhone and Android that would secure SOME applications, but why would you go through all that time and expense when you had a more secure system (RIM) that you put in years earlier?

Now that android has a secure platform it will bring in businesses that were not using smart phones because of the security or it will make sure the next upgrade for blackberry will instead mean a switch to android.

It will be nice not to have the RIM/blackberry server to manage anymore.

/most company execs probably have no idea how insecure their iphones/ipads/android devices are.
 
2012-06-19 09:35:52 PM

Rude Turnip: Blackberry is for old people who had a fax machine when it still meant something.


That's not entirely true.

It's also for us wage slaves who work for old people who had a fax machine when it still meant something.
 
2012-06-19 10:09:16 PM

HeartBurnKid: Rude Turnip: Blackberry is for old people who had a fax machine when it still meant something.

That's not entirely true.

It's also for us wage slaves who work for old people who had a fax machine when it still meant something.


Grumble, grumble...
 
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