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(Baltimore Sun)   Reapers and hellfire: Drones and the slide into perpetual war   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 61
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2012-06-18 01:52:10 PM
Reapers flying around killing people, eh.

Guess it's time to send in Shepherd.
 
2012-06-18 01:53:10 PM
The only solution is synthesis between organics and synthetics
 
2012-06-18 01:53:50 PM
I can't imagine subjecting the planet to an army of all-seeing killer robots will possible have any blow back for us.
 
2012-06-18 01:56:33 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I can't imagine subjecting the planet to an army of all-seeing killer robots will possible have any blow back for us.


Oh, you're so negative. Look at the bright side. Killer robots!
 
2012-06-18 01:57:03 PM
Back in the 90s I knew a guy in the special forces, he'd talk about landing in Slovakia to attack some compound and confiscate weapons while shooting anyone who got in the way.

I don't know where people have got the idea we were ever at peace to begin with, it's just that the technology has become more automated.
 
2012-06-18 01:58:03 PM
George Orwell's "1984" and Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" were supposed to be warnings of what not to do, not instruction manuals on what we should do.
 
2012-06-18 01:58:09 PM
slurmed.com

Kill all humans!
 
2012-06-18 02:00:15 PM

Goodfella: George Orwell's "1984" and Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" were supposed to be warnings of what not to do, not instruction manuals on what we should do.


At least they got hallucinogens with their paychecks in Brave New World.
 
2012-06-18 02:00:43 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Reapers flying around killing people, eh.

Guess it's time to send in Shepherd.


Well, you'd be better off sending in River but that's for reavers.
 
2012-06-18 02:01:04 PM

DarnoKonrad: Back in the 90s I knew a guy in the special forces, he'd talk about landing in Slovakia to attack some compound and confiscate weapons while shooting anyone who got in the way.

I don't know where people have got the idea we were ever at peace to begin with, it's just that the technology has become more automated.


If I wasn't positive that the concern would vanish the instant there's a Republican in office, I'd say the renewed scrutiny of the executive branch is a good thing.
 
2012-06-18 02:01:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: HotWingConspiracy: I can't imagine subjecting the planet to an army of all-seeing killer robots will possible have any blow back for us.

Oh, you're so negative. Look at the bright side. Killer robots!


Did I say killer robots? I meant protectors.
 
2012-06-18 02:01:23 PM

Goodfella: George Orwell's "1984" and Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" were supposed to be warnings of what not to do, not instruction manuals on what we should do.


1984 was about Fordism and Corporate paternalism, forces we couldn't control. Orwell would tell us to just stop voting for people who want to spy on us, but that even seems beyond us.
 
2012-06-18 02:04:53 PM
Evangelical Christianity has made huge incursions into the U.S. military in recent years, thus helping to unite apocalyptic, 12th-century, true-believer passions with the soulless neutrality of ultra-high-tech weaponry. The vengeful God lives!
 
2012-06-18 02:09:51 PM
Reapers and Hellions are pretty good against Drones. Stalkers, not so much.

Protoss needs a better option early game.
 
2012-06-18 02:09:57 PM

DarnoKonrad: Goodfella: George Orwell's "1984" and Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" were supposed to be warnings of what not to do, not instruction manuals on what we should do.

1984 was about Fordism and Corporate paternalism, forces we couldn't control. Orwell would tell us to just stop voting for people who want to spy on us, but that even seems beyond us.



Its amazing what all the money in the world to spend on propaganda and rigging election laws over many generations will do to a democracy.
 
2012-06-18 02:11:20 PM
www.toplessrobot.com

/approve of perpetual war
//less so namby-pamby "drones"
 
2012-06-18 02:12:03 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-18 02:13:29 PM
What a pussy.
 
2012-06-18 02:15:14 PM
Article needs more cowbell.
 
2012-06-18 02:19:00 PM
We're already in a perpetual state of warfare. America has been at war against someone for most of our history. I think the longest gap between wars was five years in the 19th century.
 
2012-06-18 02:24:18 PM
home.comcast.net

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'
 
2012-06-18 02:26:59 PM
We are in a perpetual war in order to prevent another Civil War. There will always be a war of some type. Universal Peace is impossible.
 
2012-06-18 02:36:24 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-18 02:47:18 PM

phlegmmo: Evangelical Christianity has made huge incursions into the U.S. military in recent years, thus helping to unite apocalyptic, 12th-century, true-believer passions with the soulless neutrality of ultra-high-tech weaponry. The vengeful God lives!


Well, apparently, the only real Christians are those who believe perpetual war is G-ds' will. They're kind of like real Americans that way. The rest of us are deluded; we just think we're Christians.

That's how it feels today anyway. Hopefully, it will feel different tomorrow.
 
2012-06-18 03:05:12 PM

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 640x175]


1. What is the second image?

2. They don't look alike really at all.
 
2012-06-18 03:06:41 PM
panetta said its the only game in town. thats the way it is now. i guess we should get used to it.
 
2012-06-18 03:12:18 PM

Lost Thought 00: We are in a perpetual war in order to prevent another Civil War. There will always be a war of some type. Universal Peace is impossible.


Well... not if everyone's dead
 
2012-06-18 03:20:47 PM

SkittlesAreYum: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 640x175]

1. What is the second image?

2. They don't look alike really at all.


It's an original Terminator Hunter Killer (1984)

I think the Terminator HK looks like evolutionary growth of the Predator, including the same nose down flight attitude that the camera angles seem to suggest. Even "Hunter Killer" can be seen as another way of marking the growth from Predator to Reaper.
 
2012-06-18 03:34:21 PM
It is actually the opposite. We are headed for perpetual peace.

To be at war, American troops have to physically be in the target country, exchanging fire with their forces. Drones don't count. We can send in wave after wave of drones and still be at peace.

That's why Libya wasn't a war, and the War Powers act didn't apply. That's why the President - any President - can mount sustained operations with drones with impunity without consulting Congress.

And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.
 
2012-06-18 03:40:32 PM

SomeAmerican: And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.


Another victory for the thesaurus!
 
2012-06-18 03:45:09 PM

SomeAmerican: It is actually the opposite. We are headed for perpetual peace.

To be at war, American troops have to physically be in the target country, exchanging fire with their forces. Drones don't count. We can send in wave after wave of drones and still be at peace.

That's why Libya wasn't a war, and the War Powers act didn't apply. That's why the President - any President - can mount sustained operations with drones with impunity without consulting Congress.

And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.


We didn't send in wave after wave of drones into Libya. Also, you've got a weird definition of "at war." I've never heard that boots on the ground is a requirement for war. Got a source?
 
2012-06-18 04:16:43 PM
Eh... better to use drones instead of our own people.

As long as we have credible intel, Constitutional authorization, and know how to defend against our own weaponry should it get into the wrong hands, I see no problem with a tightly controlled program that uses drones.
 
2012-06-18 04:31:23 PM
I cant wait for the video game.

/ We are smart enough to add a self destruct command to anything that can kill us, right?
 
2012-06-18 04:42:15 PM
This has all happened before


upload.wikimedia.org

It will happen again.......

www.gamersbook.com

So remember, don't network your computers and prior planning prevents piss poor performance.
 
2012-06-18 04:45:45 PM

Heraclitus: I cant wait for the video game.

/ We are smart enough to add a self destruct command to anything that can kill us, right?


Wait...what's that again?
[scribbles note to self: Program auto-destruct!!! Drones can kill!!!]
 
2012-06-18 04:48:08 PM
Wonder how we'll react when China uses a drone to solve the Dalai Lama problem.
 
2012-06-18 04:53:47 PM
"Damn, he's doing a much better job than we did at stopping terrorists, and there aren't any pics of flag draped coffins that have to be censored?"

OBAAAAAAMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAA!
 
2012-06-18 05:18:22 PM
The slide into perpetual war? So sliding over in my seat means I'm sitting in a chair I wasn't already sitting in.
 
2012-06-18 05:23:53 PM

SomeAmerican: It is actually the opposite. We are headed for perpetual peace.

To be at war, American troops have to physically be in the target country, exchanging fire with their forces. Drones don't count. We can send in wave after wave of drones and still be at peace.

That's why Libya wasn't a war, and the War Powers act didn't apply. That's why the President - any President - can mount sustained operations with drones with impunity without consulting Congress.

And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.


So it's semantics then? We can bomb the shiat out of somewhere, launch missiles from warships/subs in international waters, wage all kinds of espionage, launch a sustained barrage of cyber attacks on their major financial and government institutions, but as long as we don't have guys with rifles shooting at other people, while on their soil it is not war?
 
2012-06-18 05:24:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I can't imagine subjecting the planet to an army of all-seeing killer robots will possible have any blow back for us.


images.wikia.com

/Agrees
 
2012-06-18 05:27:20 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: SomeAmerican: It is actually the opposite. We are headed for perpetual peace.

To be at war, American troops have to physically be in the target country, exchanging fire with their forces. Drones don't count. We can send in wave after wave of drones and still be at peace.

That's why Libya wasn't a war, and the War Powers act didn't apply. That's why the President - any President - can mount sustained operations with drones with impunity without consulting Congress.

And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.

So it's semantics then? We can bomb the shiat out of somewhere, launch missiles from warships/subs in international waters, wage all kinds of espionage, launch a sustained barrage of cyber attacks on their major financial and government institutions, but as long as we don't have guys with rifles shooting at other people, while on their soil it is not war?


That's the joke.
 
2012-06-18 05:32:36 PM

Ned Stark: Don't Troll Me Bro!: SomeAmerican: It is actually the opposite. We are headed for perpetual peace.

To be at war, American troops have to physically be in the target country, exchanging fire with their forces. Drones don't count. We can send in wave after wave of drones and still be at peace.

That's why Libya wasn't a war, and the War Powers act didn't apply. That's why the President - any President - can mount sustained operations with drones with impunity without consulting Congress.

And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.

So it's semantics then? We can bomb the shiat out of somewhere, launch missiles from warships/subs in international waters, wage all kinds of espionage, launch a sustained barrage of cyber attacks on their major financial and government institutions, but as long as we don't have guys with rifles shooting at other people, while on their soil it is not war?

That's the joke.


Don't try. There are a large number of humourless douchebags on Fark right now, and they take ill any attempt to insert levity into the discussion.
 
2012-06-18 06:31:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: SomeAmerican: It is actually the opposite. We are headed for perpetual peace.

To be at war, American troops have to physically be in the target country, exchanging fire with their forces. Drones don't count. We can send in wave after wave of drones and still be at peace.

That's why Libya wasn't a war, and the War Powers act didn't apply. That's why the President - any President - can mount sustained operations with drones with impunity without consulting Congress.

And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.

We didn't send in wave after wave of drones into Libya. Also, you've got a weird definition of "at war." I've never heard that boots on the ground is a requirement for war. Got a source?


As long as Americans don't die, it's not a real war...
 
2012-06-18 06:33:35 PM

mainstreet62: Reapers and Hellions are pretty good against Drones. Stalkers, not so much.

Protoss needs a better option early game.


Just build additional pylons
 
2012-06-18 06:47:45 PM

globalwarmingpraiser: This has all happened before


[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x219]

It will happen again.......

[www.gamersbook.com image 601x373]

So remember, don't network your computers and prior planning prevents piss poor performance.



You know who else was a harbinger of death?
 
2012-06-18 07:21:41 PM

hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: SomeAmerican: It is actually the opposite. We are headed for perpetual peace.

To be at war, American troops have to physically be in the target country, exchanging fire with their forces. Drones don't count. We can send in wave after wave of drones and still be at peace.

That's why Libya wasn't a war, and the War Powers act didn't apply. That's why the President - any President - can mount sustained operations with drones with impunity without consulting Congress.

And that's why the all drone armies of the future can't possibly lead to war.

We didn't send in wave after wave of drones into Libya. Also, you've got a weird definition of "at war." I've never heard that boots on the ground is a requirement for war. Got a source?

As long as Americans don't die, it's not a real war...


Sometimes, even when Americans die, it isn't a real war. Sometimes it is merely a police action.
 
2012-06-18 07:34:00 PM

daveUSMC: Eh... better to use drones instead of our own people.

As long as we have credible intel, Constitutional authorization, and know how to defend against our own weaponry should it get into the wrong hands, I see no problem with a tightly controlled program that uses drones.


Oh, I'm sure we are going to. Let's just not pretend that it doesn't come with dilemmas. Not only moral and ethical dilemmas - but also dilemmas of long-term self interest vs. apparent short term gain.
 
2012-06-18 07:51:22 PM
nothing wrong with perpetual war as long as we fight it with drones. The bad guys out there are not going to get their hands on the technology so we can just send up drones to kill all of the bad guys. At some point, the bad guys will decide to act in an acceptable manner.
 
2012-06-18 08:38:10 PM
Teabaggers scream and whine about big government all the time.


But the only cuts the teabaggers ever make are to the social safety net. Dems as well, are never able to undo expansions in the military/police state.

It's 30% of the budget.

And the rich farkers who make a living off the military police state demand lower taxes, still...

hey Chuckufarlie, drone tech ain't that difficult. And perpetual war is fine, with YOU.....as long as it doesn't threaten YOUR life?

There's a reason you're highlighted in derptastic red. You are one ignorant dick for brains.
 
2012-06-18 09:42:51 PM

Lunaville: phlegmmo: Evangelical Christianity has made huge incursions into the U.S. military in recent years, thus helping to unite apocalyptic, 12th-century, true-believer passions with the soulless neutrality of ultra-high-tech weaponry. The vengeful God lives!

Well, apparently, the only real Christians are those who believe perpetual war is G-ds' will. They're kind of like real Americans that way. The rest of us are deluded; we just think we're Christians.

That's how it feels today anyway. Hopefully, it will feel different tomorrow.

 
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