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2012-06-18 02:49:19 PM  

Aigoo: I'll have no problem hiring atheists, wiccans, muslims, buddhists.... so long as they understand that this is how I do things and this is what I expect. But satan worshippers are kind of the antithesis of everything I stand for, so expecting me to hire one is absurd.


Last I heard, organizations like Voss consider atheists, wiccans, muslims, and buddhists to BE satan worshipers. They used to include Roman Catholics on that list as well, but since have "seen the light", specifically that there are some politically advantageous alliances to be made with conservative Catholics, and that making these alliances requires that both parties grit their teeth and refrain from telling the other that they are going straight to hell.
 
2012-06-18 02:57:31 PM  
I prefer this to the ones that claim a religious identity and then go out of their way to be jerks. I know of one office with crosses and Bibles prominently displayed, and I always feel the urge to inventory my briefcase and laptop bag when I leave. They are that smarmy.
 
2012-06-18 02:58:12 PM  

StaleCoffee: namegoeshere: I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?

A christian who needs a job but can't make it to church on sunday because he's a single dad and can't afford childcare for weekends?


Churches have childcare. Your point is moot.
 
2012-06-18 02:58:13 PM  
The religious and political stuff doesn't just end with the South.

We have a large conservative employer in Colorado who is reputed to fire anybody who admits voting Democratic.
 
2012-06-18 03:01:18 PM  

peasandcarrots: Now, I don't _really_ want to go back to the days when it was A-OK to put "no coloreds allowed" or "no Irish need apply."


I see no problem with the latter.
 
2012-06-18 03:01:37 PM  
Has anyone else worked a job where seemingly random people are preachers or whatever, so they keep sneaking up on you?

/doesn't work at a religious institution
 
2012-06-18 03:03:13 PM  

Flakeloaf: Aigoo: Magorn: Aigoo: exick: Trance750: I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.

And if he knew all that, and US law to boot, he said to himself "well no matter WHAT their relig ...

Yep, but I guaran-damn-tee you, if I hire someone and later find out he's a satan worshipper, or if he tells me he's a satan worshipper at the interview, I'm going to find a way to get rid of him or not hire him.


You may be surprised to learn that modern satanists are surprisingly rational opponents to religiousness and its excesses. They don't do animal sacrifices or gargle blood or whatever it is that makes you treat them like they're Scientologists or something.


c'mon man! Can't you see Aigoo is perfectly happy living with his current state of ignorance?

He has a gawd given right to be an ignorant bigot. Don't hate on the ignorant bigots! They're people too!
 
2012-06-18 03:04:01 PM  

Egalitarian: We have a large conservative employer in Colorado who is reputed to fire anybody who admits voting Democratic.


Is voter registration by party public information? i.e., does this company do regular "purges" by correlating their payroll database with voter registration?
 
2012-06-18 03:10:18 PM  
It's important for an employee to fit into the corporate culture. Why don't employers have rights too? If you don't like it, you can start your own company.
 
2012-06-18 03:13:05 PM  
Having manged people, owned a business, and been a contractor and an employee, you grasp at whatever job you can get. IT is a shark tank.

That being said, businesses/HR people (if they are doing their farking job) do weed people out because you do want someone who will put more effort into furthering the business. Some people actually have passion for things. They make good employees. A business does not grow with employees doing the minimum amount required. See the hilariously tragic 911/emergency calls all over the net to prove my point.

Qualified does not equal right for the job.
/and I'm as left leaning as they get.
 
2012-06-18 03:14:48 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: meanmutton: Trance750: jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.

Nope

You need to watch Zombieland, apparently.

I think you mean Ghost. With Patrick Stewart.


No, youre thinking of Ghostbusters with Bill Shatner.
 
2012-06-18 03:15:19 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: But now some straight white catholic dude wants to fill out an application and I have to figure out how to turn him down for the job without getting sued.


make him the janitor
 
2012-06-18 03:16:55 PM  

pciszek: Egalitarian: We have a large conservative employer in Colorado who is reputed to fire anybody who admits voting Democratic.

Is voter registration by party public information? i.e., does this company do regular "purges" by correlating their payroll database with voter registration?


As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead.

This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go.

So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.

If you have a better idea, let me know..
 
2012-06-18 03:18:15 PM  

altrocks: I work for a religious non-profit in the Mid-West and at no time have my personal beliefs ever been inquired about by anyone I work with or for. Generally, that means everyone gets along and there's no problems. Why is that so hard for some people to understand/deal with?


because the true national pastimes of America are voyeurism and busybodiness
 
2012-06-18 03:24:56 PM  

pciszek: They used to include Roman Catholics on that list as well, but since have "seen the light", specifically that there are some politically advantageous alliances to be made with conservative Catholics, and that making these alliances requires that both parties grit their teeth and refrain from telling the other that they are going straight to hell.


Well hey, they've come a long way from just slaughtering each other en masse.
 
2012-06-18 03:25:09 PM  

loonatic112358: Debeo Summa Credo: But now some straight white catholic dude wants to fill out an application and I have to figure out how to turn him down for the job without getting sued.

make him the janitor


The highest paid janitor in the city.
One of the few funny things Chevy Chase ever did.
I feel old now.
 
2012-06-18 03:32:39 PM  
You know the difference between methodists and baptists? The methodists will say hi to each other at the liquor store.
 
2012-06-18 03:48:15 PM  
I don't think that people should discriminate based on religion, but if it's that important to the work that your company does, then there are ways to ask these questions without being blatantly obvious about why you're asking the question.

For instance, I used to work for a company that hired a super religious guy. No one knew he was super religious when he was hired as there was no reason that sort of thing would have come up since at the time it didn't seem relevant to the job. Normally this wouldn't seem like such a problem as no one really cared about religion, however, the result was that this guy refused to do certain things that the job demanded because he said it conflicted with his morals/religion. We were a game developer who was contracted by publishers to make the game the publishers wanted us to make. Our entire business relied on us making the game exactly the way the publisher wanted it. For someone to have moral objections to even work on a project at all makes them a rather useless employee. This is what happened though, the guy refused to work on any game that included violence or sexual content.

The result of all this was that we ended up having to start filtering employees. So instead of asking specifically about religion, we would ask "Is there any sort of content that you would find morally objectionable to work on." If anyone answered yes to this with any sort of serious answer they were an automatic no. While that might sound discriminatory, I don't really see what the point of hiring someone who refuses to do the work is. The guy was a completely useless employee for the most part as most the games we worked on were rated M. The bosses didn't want to fire him either because they didn't want a lawsuit on their hands so the guy ended up just sitting around for long stretches of time with nothing to work on. They would find some random tasks for him to do that didn't involve a specific game project. I think they should have found a reason to fire him, but I can understand the fear.
 
2012-06-18 03:49:11 PM  

Phinn: JackieRabbit: It makes no difference if it is a private employer. Subchapter VI, Chapter 21, Title 42 of the United States Code prohibits all employers from discriminating on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin.

History is full of indefensible edicts, rules and legislation. This one's no different than all the rest.


It came from the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which has survived numerous court challenges from the right wing in its 48 year history. Should we go back to hanging Black people, too? Or maybe it's ok to say "sorry, honey, we don't hire people with vaginas, especially gooks with vaginas." It amazes me how some people are so willing to give up those things that are actually good about our society in the name of narrow-mindedness. Maybe a pluralistic society isn't your cup of tea?
 
2012-06-18 03:51:44 PM  

i.r.id10t: pciszek: Egalitarian: We have a large conservative employer in Colorado who is reputed to fire anybody who admits voting Democratic.

Is voter registration by party public information? i.e., does this company do regular "purges" by correlating their payroll database with voter registration?

As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead.

This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go.

So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.

If you have a better idea, let me know..


Oh damn.
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You're famous!
 
2012-06-18 03:58:34 PM  
As a Straight, White, Christian Male I fully support businesses being able to discriminate and base their employment practices on sexual orientation, race, religion, and gender.
 
2012-06-18 04:03:54 PM  

elgrancerdo: StaleCoffee: namegoeshere: I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?

A christian who needs a job but can't make it to church on sunday because he's a single dad and can't afford childcare for weekends?

Churches have childcare. Your point is moot.


Maybe hes divorced and while he has custody, one of the stipulations is that the kid doesnt go to church, we dont know, but IT DOESNT MATTER.

Ive had some EEOC training... even HINTING at this stuff is a big no no, with very good reason.
 
2012-06-18 04:09:09 PM  

Strik3r: Clemkadidlefark: I know the word Jesus and the word Christ sear many people's ears. It burns in a way nothing else can. Like acid on their souls.

The applicant had plenty of Disclosure going in.

Fark him. He's a pansy ass activist planted for just this purpose to sue a Christian company for being a Christian company racist.

Believe it or not, the two (racist and Christian) are NOT mutually exclusive.


Racist?

How the hell did that creep in?

If a poster types out the word Post Office is racist going to creep in? How about Buick? Surely that's racist. BBWQ? Now I know damn well that's racist. And God forbid anyone should mention watermelon!
 
2012-06-18 04:10:20 PM  

cmb53208: Clemkadidlefark: I know the word Jesus and the word Christ sear many people's ears. It burns in a way nothing else can. Like acid on their souls.

The applicant had plenty of Disclosure going in.

Fark him. He's a pansy ass activist planted for just this purpose to sue a Christian company for being a Christian company.

Sooooo, I'm guessing you wpuld have no problem with this if the company were run by Muslims or Unitarians, right?


Dude. Or, dudette ... it's a free country. They can ask anything they want so long as Disclosure is made up front what the Applicant is getting in to.
 
2012-06-18 04:21:12 PM  
When did you start believing that there were fairies at the bottom of your garden? When did you start hearing the voices in your head that you thought were God?
When did you start killing prostitutes on the interstate highways?
 
2012-06-18 04:28:14 PM  

Trapper439: When did you start believing that there were fairies at the bottom of your garden? When did you start hearing the voices in your head that you thought were God?
When did you start killing prostitutes on the interstate highways?


You forgot the classic question..."When did you stop beating your wife?"
 
2012-06-18 04:48:50 PM  
Totally not relevant. If that happened to me I'd feel more than slightly uncomfortable and would leave on the spot.
 
2012-06-18 04:51:23 PM  

i.r.id10t: pciszek: Egalitarian: We have a large conservative employer in Colorado who is reputed to fire anybody who admits voting Democratic.

Is voter registration by party public information? i.e., does this company do regular "purges" by correlating their payroll database with voter registration?

As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead.

This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go.

So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.

If you have a better idea, let me know..


Sell a quality product that people want at a reasonable price and you wouldn't have this problem.

But, that's the American way. Blame someone else (or in this case, 9 other people...Obama and the 8 employees of yours the support him) for your own shortcomings. If it helps you sleep at night I guess that's what counts.
 
2012-06-18 05:25:52 PM  

Magorn: Loreweaver: exick: momalboe: To my knowledge, the only one they're not allowed to ask about is disability. They can ask about religion, but it's generally not recommended because their asking can be viewed as evidence of discrimination later on.

I hope you aren't a hiring manager, because you are going to get sued if you believe what you just said.

I'm talking specifically about the law. The law says you can't ask about a disability of a potential employee. You're allowed to ask the other questions, but like I said it's generally not recommended.

Wish it was possible to hide my disability. Employers have always been quick to call me for an interview due to the quality of my resume, but upon catching sight of my mangled arm, the interview would go downhill real quick.

I've lost a lot of potential jobs in the past because there was no way to convince them I was still physically capable of doing the work. an amputated arm, they could handle; but the sight of a mangled arm just puts people off in a real bad way.

Employment Discrimination Law lesson of the Day:

The ADA is unique among discrimination laws because it provides a right of action against emplyers not only for discriminating on the basis of disabilities, but even if the employer discriminates against something that they percieve to be a handicap or disability, even if the victim doesn't reagrd it that way, or it doesn't interefere with the victims performance as severely as the employer thinks it does.


The trick with that is proving that is the reason you were not hired, and that you are, in fact, physically capable of doing the work

I spent years fighting the DMV before they would even issue me a learner's permit. Their denials cited reasons ranging from concerns that my oddly-shaped arm would interfere with operation of the vehicle, to concerns I had a hidden medical condition which caused my disfigurement. No amount of explaining to them, that my arm was mangled in a car accident while I was still in the womb, would sway them.

I had to get whole batteries of tests done, at my expense, just to prove to them I was physically capable of operating a vehicle, and didn't have some debilitating medical condition that would affect my driving in the years to come.

All that belly-aching, and I end up passing the written and road tests with flying colors, without ANY special devices or modifications to the vehicle, and ended up with no restrictions to my license.

THAT is the mountain I must climb every time I apply for a job.
 
2012-06-18 05:26:28 PM  
I was at a job interview and the interviewer asked me, "So why do you want to work instead of getting pregnant and going on welfare?"

/sigh.
//should've exclaimed, "Holy shiat! That's an option?"
///ended up somewhere else. Yeesh.
 
2012-06-18 05:41:35 PM  
Funny how "religious" and "creepy" are synonyms.
 
2012-06-18 05:44:45 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: I was at a job interview and the interviewer asked me, "So why do you want to work instead of getting pregnant and going on welfare?"

/sigh.
//should've exclaimed, "Holy shiat! That's an option?"
///ended up somewhere else. Yeesh.


why the hell did that even come out of that dumb asses mouth
 
2012-06-18 05:48:31 PM  

JackieRabbit: It came from the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which has survived numerous court challenges from the right wing in its 48 year history. Should we go back to hanging Black people, too? Or maybe it's ok to say "sorry, honey, we don't hire people with vaginas, especially gooks with vaginas." It amazes me how some people are so willing to give up those things that are actually good about our society in the name of narrow-mindedness. Maybe a pluralistic society isn't your cup of tea?


Hanging people deprives them of their right to live free from aggression.

Not being hired violates no rights (at least, no legitimate rights, an unconstitutional statute notwithstanding).

Forcing people to adopt certain criteria that fit your value system, however, is aggression, even when you hide behind the power of the state to do your dirty work for you.

Pretty simple, really.
 
2012-06-18 05:50:50 PM  
Can I discriminate against gingers in a field where ditch digging would be required between the hours of 9 AM and 5 PM, 5 days a week, with temperatures around 100F and humidity generally starting in the low 80% range?
 
2012-06-18 06:35:29 PM  
Just popping in to shiat on so called christians shoving their so called jesus cock up the so called ass of the general public.

You are terrible, horrible, evil people and bad things should happen to all of you.
 
2012-06-18 07:09:00 PM  

i.r.id10t: pciszek: Egalitarian: We have a large conservative employer in Colorado who is reputed to fire anybody who admits voting Democratic.

Is voter registration by party public information? i.e., does this company do regular "purges" by correlating their payroll database with voter registration?

As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama will be our next President, and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead.

This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't know how to choose who will have to go.

So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.

If you have a better idea, let me know..


The guy living in his parents' basement who wrote that chain email must be so proud.
 
2012-06-18 07:19:48 PM  

Aigoo: RickyWilliams'sBong: Aigoo: That's exactly what pissed me off. Well, that and the the allegation that the hiring manager wanted him to list every church he'd belonged to in his life.

*snip*

I don't really care if he knew what he was getting into or not. It's illegal, and hopefully they learn a harsh lesson.

Oh yes. Because that will teach them...

"I really, REALLY wanted this job at THIS company.... until I noticed that you didn't like the fact that I'm a single dad who makes excuses (see posts above in thread where single parents have had no problems at all taking their kids to church) and therefore gave someone else the job I wanted. Now I HATE the company practices I was fully aware of before, so I'm going to sue you!"

Yep, sounds to me like the company sure needs a lesson and not the entitled snowflake of an applicant.


Disclaimer: not saying Voss is necessarily "right," but they're honest and open about their practices, unlike 95% of businesses today. IMO, private business should get to do what they want and succeed or fail by those decisions. Don't like the practice? Don't do business with them! Quickest way in the world to get business to change bad illegal and discriminatory practices is to speak with your wallet sue the living fark out of them, not whine anonymously on a message board they'll never see.


FTFY
 
2012-06-18 07:22:00 PM  
Can the almighty State of Infinite Benevolence and Grace also tell me who I can and can't marry? Be friends with? Or will that be the subject of federal legislation, too?
 
2012-06-18 07:37:44 PM  

Benni K Rok: Can I discriminate against gingers in a field where ditch digging would be required between the hours of 9 AM and 5 PM, 5 days a week, with temperatures around 100F and humidity generally starting in the low 80% range?


Does your business forbid hats?
 
2012-06-18 07:41:40 PM  

Phinn: Can the almighty State of Infinite Benevolence and Grace also tell me who I can and can't marry?


Yes, if the Republicans continue to have their way.
 
2012-06-18 08:12:32 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Phinn: Can the almighty State of Infinite Benevolence and Grace also tell me who I can and can't marry?

Yes, if the Republicans continue to have their way.


damn when will us dumb o' crats finally be able to marry our 1.4 year old siblings
 
2012-06-18 08:40:06 PM  
Moderators, is there a new filter in effect, or did he just raise your ire?
 
2012-06-18 09:34:09 PM  

loonatic112358: Valiente: Brains not only unnecessary when one has faith, but are somewhat discouraged./see recent "Vatican admits Galileo may have been right about Earth-Sun thing"//and "Vatican still trims collection takings to move pedo priests from parish to parish; maintains celibacy rules"

I would say brains are a must, otherwise you wind up with benny hinns, creflo dollars, crouch family broadcasting networks, Westboro church of abuse, fosterites, and osteens who're sort of ignoring what the heck jesus actually said, and giving lip service to what paul wrote


If I was interested in kick-starting Reform Judaism 2,000 years ago, I would perhaps have more interest in what the heck Jesus or his gay, concussed stalker Paul said.

But I am not, and I do not, and I don't think this has a bearing, or should, on my suitability for employment.
 
2012-06-18 09:37:14 PM  

Canyoudigit: JohnCarter: The painting in the lobby on how the light bulb was made should have been a tip off

[profile.ak.fbcdn.net image 200x239]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Light Bulb Jesus looks like Alan Rickman in Die Hard?


Well, they are both nice Jewish boys.

Although hearing the son of God speak in the lugubrious Germanic accent of Rickman in "Die Hard" would be pretty amusing.

"Do dis in mammary uf mee".
 
2012-06-18 09:41:10 PM  

The Homer Tax: As a Straight, White, Christian Male I fully support businesses being able to discriminate and base their employment practices on sexual orientation, race, religion, and gender.


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2012-06-18 09:51:56 PM  

Girion47: Are you really going to be this pedantic? Fine. Civilian agency. GS level employees went to the discard pile because for the most part they are worthless paper pushers that try everything they can to game the government for benefits while making others do their work.


Some of them, definitely.
The rest of us actually do the work and pick up their slack.

Choose or reject your GS applicants wisely.
 
2012-06-18 10:02:49 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: I was at a job interview and the interviewer asked me, "So why do you want to work instead of getting pregnant and going on welfare?"

/sigh.
//should've exclaimed, "Holy shiat! That's an option?"
///ended up somewhere else. Yeesh.


Wow. Absolutely mindboggling that anyone, let alone someone involved in the hiring process, would ask such a question.
 
2012-06-18 10:55:45 PM  
let them hire who they want. simple as that. i wouldn't apply for a job at ebony magazine. common sense tells me that its a magazine for black folk by black folk. so this guy lacks the common sense to see it is a christian company (he found the hiring ad on a church website) that also spreads the word of christianity. so yeah.... he didn't get the job. now he is pitching a fit.

also men shouldn't wait tables at hooters.
 
2012-06-19 12:03:38 AM  

The Third Man: I've seen many applications recently that require Christian belief as a requirement of hiring. And these are for jobs like "database manager" or "researcher"...guess when the economy is tough, all kinds of organization will break the rules knowing they'll get away with it.


Uh, hasn't this been blatantly illegal since the 60's? Requiring your employees to be Christian is just as illegal under federal law as putting up a sign saying "HELP WANTED, NO JEWS"
 
2012-06-19 12:33:15 AM  

angrycrank: wademh: So the company claims the job went to someone with more lighting product experience.

Fine. Here's a lesson. Keep job interviews to relevant topics and there will be no confusion. I'm hoping it's an expensive lesson about staying on topic.

That. I've been involved in hiring in some academic departments, and we always kept the old guys away from the candidates (especially the female ones) so they wouldn't ask about irrelevant stuff. Nothing like the 148-year-old professor emeritus asking "and what does your husband do?" while we quickly usher the lesbian feminist theorist off to lunch...


Do you plan on having children any time soon?
 
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