At first I was like "How did they get a picture of the whole screen on that monitor?"

And then I remembered that computer CRTs were non-interlaced.

/That's all I have to add.

I encountered this question in an interview for a C-Level job. I admire their organization greatly, despite the fact that it is founded out of a religious order. Long story short, they asked, and I spoke honestly and we both knew it was dead in the water there; I just had hoped it wouldn't be.

Despite the fact I'm sure that's probably illegal, I was actually OK with it in their case. I understand it was hard for them to understand that someone who is not religious could believe their organization is a good one that deserves credit and help, given part of their mission (a small part) is spreading Christianity. I was willing to put up with that tiny part for all the rest of the good they do. But, hey, I'm sure they found someone of equal talent who also worships the Jebus.

exick: Trance750: I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.

I actually don't care about that as much as this FTFA: The complaint claims the manager asked Wolfe if he would "have a problem" coming to work early, without pay, to attend Bible study.

That's exactly what pissed me off. Well, that and the the allegation that the hiring manager wanted him to list every church he'd belonged to in his life.

1 - God's not a building, nor is He in one.

2 - The prospective employee saw the job listing at church. The company's mission statement makes it VERY clear who they are and what they are about. He had no issues with this until he didn't get the job.

3 - If I apply for a job with Hoth Lighting International after looking at their website and seeing that their mission statement says, "our mission is to provide high-quality lighting to clients all over the world while proving through the power of science that there is no God," then not only did I know I was going to be asked about my beliefs going in, but I knew that if there was a candidate who had more experience in lighting but who was also more in line with that company's clearly stated mission and purpose being interviewed, s/he was going to get that job. No brainer.

4 - Voss Lighting's mission statement has ELEVEN biblical references in it. The whole case is absurd. Wolfe is being a drama queen because he lost out to another applicant. If Wolfe had gotten the job, does anyone think he'd care about the company's beliefs that they've clearly been practicing since 1939?


Bad application of the practices in making prospective employees feel they must "donate" time for a company-run bible study and making them submit what is, in essence, a "church resume," but it's not as if Wolfe didn't know what he was applying for and where he was applying.

I'm ok with this.

EyeForgot: Might as well ask it at the interview. I know in the south at least at work you need to lie and say your a christian. A few companies will find a reason to fire you when you admit to being an atheist. Generally it falls under the "not working out" reason for firing as it's never due to religious reasons. If not that then you will have 1-3 people constantly pawning bibles off on you and coming to your cube to talk about jesus. If you lie in the first place you don't have to deal w. the crap.

Correct. I personally know of a company that fired someone for supporting Obama before the last election. Also in "the South." Sometimes it's not worth working for a place when they're willing to do things like that. It may be illegal to do things like that, but there are still plenty of legal ways to go about it.

My issue is with companies that are concerned about what you do on your off time. It's really none of their business.

This might be a test to determine if the person being interviewed is sue happy. When the employer gets sued, they know not to hire that person, because that is the sort of person that might sue them....

Ok, there might be a slight flaw in the plan..that I imagined...

...and atheists are waging war on Christians?!?!

Perhaps ironically, I find this firm unenlightened and screwed.

cig-mkr: My issue is with companies that are concerned about what you do on your off time. It's really none of their business.

Yes, and no. In general I agree with you. Now, let's say that I work for a religious organization, while being a public atheist. It is quite possible, insofar as they fund-raise, that they will not be OK with that fact coming out, as it may financially hurt them. It doesn't make it right, but they do have to be practical.

And yes, the same line of reasoning can be used for almost any kind of bias, but this is one of those biases that is still acceptable in American society.

It doesn't bother me that much. Most of my good friends are Christian and understand not all atheists are the bogeyman, and we get along well. We just don't discuss religion often. But for a business, sometimes they have concerns which mean they have to.

Aigoo: That's exactly what pissed me off. Well, that and the the allegation that the hiring manager wanted him to list every church he'd belonged to in his life.

1 - God's not a building, nor is He in one.

2 - The prospective employee saw the job listing at church. The company's mission statement makes it VERY clear who they are and what they are about. He had no issues with this until he didn't get the job.

3 - If I apply for a job with Hoth Lighting International after looking at their website and seeing that their mission statement says, "our mission is to provide high-quality lighting to clients all over the world while proving through the power of science that there is no God," then not only did I know I was going to be asked about my beliefs going in, but I knew that if there was a candidate who had more experience in lighting but who was also more in line with that company's clearly stated mission and purpose being interviewed, s/he was going to get that job. No brainer.

4 - Voss Lighting's mission statement has ELEVEN biblical references in it. The whole case is absurd. Wolfe is being a drama queen because he lost out to another applicant. If Wolfe had gotten the job, does anyone think he'd care about the company's beliefs that they've clearly been practicing since 1939?

Bad application of the practices in making prospective employees feel they must "donate" time for a company-run bible study and making them submit what is, in essence, a "church resume," but it's not as if Wolfe didn't know what he was applying for and where he was applying.

I don't really care if he knew what he was getting into or not. It's illegal, and hopefully they learn a harsh lesson.

FlashHarry: now just imagine if it were a company run by fundamentalist muslims.

It is, Oscar, it is.

/Yahweh=Allah=Jeebus
//only the menu plan and genital mutilations vary.

I had a boss that refused to hire anyone that had ever been a federal or state employee. He knew they didn't work from being a contractor for so long.

*trolling mode on*

My church is the WBC. You may have heard of them. We believe in going around and trolling you pansy-ass Southern Baptists to show how unChristian you homosexual farks are. You're all sinners going to hell. Prove me wrong, motherfarker, prove me wrong.

Rent is too damn high: *trolling mode on*

My church is the WBC. You may have heard of them. We believe in going around and trolling you pansy-ass Southern Baptists to show how unChristian you homosexual farks are. You're all sinners going to hell. Prove me wrong, motherfarker, prove me wrong.

LandoverBaptist.org is the only worthwhile church.

Private employer? Check.

Don't buy products from that company if you don't like it.

exick: momalboe: To my knowledge, the only one they're not allowed to ask about is disability. They can ask about religion, but it's generally not recommended because their asking can be viewed as evidence of discrimination later on.

I hope you aren't a hiring manager, because you are going to get sued if you believe what you just said.

I'm talking specifically about the law. The law says you can't ask about a disability of a potential employee. You're allowed to ask the other questions, but like I said it's generally not recommended.

Wish it was possible to hide my disability. Employers have always been quick to call me for an interview due to the quality of my resume, but upon catching sight of my mangled arm, the interview would go downhill real quick.

I've lost a lot of potential jobs in the past because there was no way to convince them I was still physically capable of doing the work. an amputated arm, they could handle; but the sight of a mangled arm just puts people off in a real bad way.

Clemkadidlefark: I know the word Jesus and the word Christ sear many people's ears. It burns in a way nothing else can. Like acid on their souls.

The applicant had plenty of Disclosure going in.

Fark him. He's a pansy ass activist planted for just this purpose to sue a Christian company for being a Christian company.

Sooooo, I'm guessing you wpuld have no problem with this if the company were run by Muslims or Unitarians, right?

randomjsa: Private employer? Check.

Don't buy products from that company if you don't like it.

Private employers still have to follow certain rules. But, I agree wholeheartedly with the last part.

Unfortunately, 10-20% of the population not buying things from them isn't probably going to bother them too much.

Apparently another group of Fundies not familiar with St. Matthew 6:6-8

JackieRabbit: Somacandra: namegoeshere: I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?

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Its Oklahoma. Its Tulsa (which has some liberal parts) to be sure, but its still Oklahoma. First Pentecostal university in the world.

Isn't that a picture of the Oral Roberts Fisting Institute?]

More irony, I see. Is it held in the Benny Hinn Quarters?

Reminds me of how Dominos Pizza wouldn't do business with non-christian companies. But they would sure sell you a shiatty pizza, even if you were a devil worshipper.

exick: kingoomieiii: Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask? Because according to the article, "In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."

To my knowledge, the only one they're not allowed to ask about is disability. They can ask about religion, but it's generally not recommended because their asking can be viewed as evidence of discrimination later on.

Does the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster have a "born again" provision? Because we can always add one if it's needed.

Yes, I have seen the light. I'm "born-again". My church has told me religion is like a dick: it's fine to have one and be proud of it. Nonetheless, it's inappropriate to whip it out in public and wave it around.

tommydee: Reminds me of how Dominos Pizza wouldn't do business with non-christian companies. But they would sure sell you a shiatty pizza, even if you were a devil worshipper.

If you want a laugh, ask if their "extra large with extra fetus" special is still in effect.

Har, etc.

Girion47: I had a boss that refused to hire anyone that had ever been a federal or state employee. He knew they didn't work from being a contractor for so long.

Seems like he's being a little rough on veterans.

tommydee: Reminds me of how Dominos Pizza wouldn't do business with non-christian companies. But they would sure sell you a shiatty pizza, even if you were a devil worshipper.

Baked in an oven heated by the flames of hell.

Dont like it? Dont farking work there!!!! WTF!?!?!

RickyWilliams'sBong: Aigoo: That's exactly what pissed me off. Well, that and the the allegation that the hiring manager wanted him to list every church he'd belonged to in his life.

*snip*

I don't really care if he knew what he was getting into or not. It's illegal, and hopefully they learn a harsh lesson.

Oh yes. Because that will teach them...

"I really, REALLY wanted this job at THIS company.... until I noticed that you didn't like the fact that I'm a single dad who makes excuses (see posts above in thread where single parents have had no problems at all taking their kids to church) and therefore gave someone else the job I wanted. Now I HATE the company practices I was fully aware of before, so I'm going to sue you!"

Yep, sounds to me like the company sure needs a lesson and not the entitled snowflake of an applicant.


Disclaimer: not saying Voss is necessarily "right," but they're honest and open about their practices, unlike 95% of businesses today. IMO, private business should get to do what they want and succeed or fail by those decisions. Don't like the practice? Don't do business with them! Quickest way in the world to get business to change bad practices is to speak with your wallet, not whine anonymously on a message board they'll never see.

this needs a facepalm jesus

WTF? Do they not have an HR person with brains?

AbbeySomeone: He might not be comfortable working in a place surrounded by those holy rollers anyhow.

Do you live in rainbows-and-unicorns land? There are people in the USA who haven't had an income for a long time now. They need jobs and don't give a damn about "comfort." So, why not just lie about being saved? Well, some people think lying is, you know, "immoral", a concept that Southern Baptists might have some familiarity with. Also, lies tend to unravel, usually sooner rather than later.

kingoomieiii: Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask? Because according to the article, "In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."

EEOC

If there's one truth in this world that I've found to be universal it's this:

Only charlatans require faith. ANYBODY willing to work with you honestly is willing to put up some kind of proof as to their intentions. You show me somebody who couches their speech with flowery-sounding, ambiguous terms and clever riddles, and I'll show you a scam-artist. You want me to believe in your version of a mystical, magical being who created everything; you're going to have to prove to me that one exists. Just the same as if you want me to worship a unicorn. You claim your god can do anything, yet he's got to have a never-ending supply of money.

What does god need with a starship?

Satanic_Hamster: Aigoo: 4 - Voss Lighting's mission statement has ELEVEN biblical references in it. The whole case is absurd. Wolfe is being a drama queen because he lost out to another applicant. If Wolfe had gotten the job, does anyone think he'd care about the company's beliefs that they've clearly been practicing since 1939?

What if Wolfe is a Christian but just the "wrong kind" of Christian?

Pssh. Ever been in a Baptist church?

Unless you are also Baptist, you ARE the "wrong kind" of Christian! LOL. As I said above, let businesses succeed or fail by bad decisions. Customers speak with their wallets. Enough bad choices, and customers' wallets will speak very loudly indeed. Just ask EA with their $12 stock prices - they know all about customers speaking with their wallets.

fracto73: meanmutton: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: meanmutton: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: meanmutton: Trance750: jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.

Nope

You need to watch Zombieland, apparently.

I think you mean Ghost. With Patrick Stewart.

Actually, I meant Zombieland because they have a scene where the young girl hadn't heard of Ghostbusters and was forced to watch it. Too subtle for the Internets, probably. I should have stuck with meme-based humor.

Too cool for the rest of us, huh? That's allright. I'm gonna go eat paste with the other kids. You stay over in the cool corner and make fun of us aaaaall by yourself.

That did come across a little more snarky that I meant... The snark was directed back at myself, frankly.


The fact that he said "Ghost. With Patrick Stewart." Leads me to believe that he was hoping to start on of those tangents that goes something like this:

No I think you mean Ghost Dad, with Bing Crosby.

I thought it was ghost with patrick swazey(last name spelly?)

loonatic112358: this needs a facepalm jesus

WTF? Do they not have an HR person with brains?

Brains not only unnecessary when one has faith, but are somewhat discouraged.

/see recent "Vatican admits Galileo may have been right about Earth-Sun thing"
//and "Vatican still trims collection takings to move pedo priests from parish to parish; maintains celibacy rules"

namegoeshere: I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?

They may not want to work there, but they gotta work somewhere. Heck, most people probably wouldn't "want" to work at all, if there were another option that offered health insurance and a similar level of financial security. Usually, there isn't.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Girion47: I had a boss that refused to hire anyone that had ever been a federal or state employee. He knew they didn't work from being a contractor for so long.

Seems like he's being a little rough on veterans.

When I say federal I meant at an agency. He had nothing against vets.

Whatever the legality of the issue, my personal belief is that private companies should be able to hire and fire folks for any reason whatsoever. Race, gender, religion, sexual preference, height, vision, etc.

And everyone else has the right to make a big deal of it and give them tons of bad publicity.

BarkingUnicorn: Voss Lighting says, "Our biblical mission is to 'sell' our lighting products so that we may 'tell' everyone we can about God's soul-saving, life transforming gospel message..."

So if I buy a Voss light bulb I can expect to be proselytized?

Don't buy one. "Buy" it. They will "sell" you one. They can "tell".

Aigoo: Oh yes. Because that will teach them...

"I really, REALLY wanted this job at THIS company.... until I noticed that you didn't like the fact that I'm a single dad who makes excuses (see posts above in thread where single parents have had no problems at all taking their kids to church) and therefore gave someone else the job I wanted. Now I HATE the company practices I was fully aware of before, so I'm going to sue you!"

Yep, sounds to me like the company sure needs a lesson and not the entitled snowflake of an applicant.

Disclaimer: not saying Voss is necessarily "right," but they're honest and open about their practices, unlike 95% of businesses today. IMO, private business should get to do what they want and succeed or fail by those decisions. Don't like the practice? Don't do business with them! Quickest way in the world to get business to change bad practices is to speak with your wallet, not whine anonymously on a message board they'll never see.

Not wanting to be discriminated against makes one entitled now? That's some fine bigotin' there, Lou.

Voss most certainly is not right, and being openly bigoted doesn't make you better. Private businesses get more than their fair share of incentives and services from governments, paid for by all of us. Don't like the anti-discrimination laws? Most to Nigeria.