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(ABC)   "Okay, I see your resume is in order, and your references are excellent, so I guess I have only one more question: When exactly did you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 292
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2012-06-18 10:07:17 AM  
I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.
 
2012-06-18 10:29:01 AM  

Trance750: I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.


I actually don't care about that as much as this FTFA: The complaint claims the manager asked Wolfe if he would "have a problem" coming to work early, without pay, to attend Bible study.
 
2012-06-18 10:49:11 AM  
Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?

Ah, if there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.
 
2012-06-18 10:53:04 AM  

exick: The complaint claims the manager asked Wolfe if he would "have a problem" coming to work early, without pay, to attend Bible study.


Is this a company or a convent?
 
2012-06-18 11:08:39 AM  
Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask? Because according to the article, "In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."
 
2012-06-18 11:11:38 AM  

exick: Trance750: I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.

I actually don't care about that as much as this FTFA: The complaint claims the manager asked Wolfe if he would "have a problem" coming to work early, without pay, to attend Bible study.


He might not be comfortable working in a place surrounded by those holy rollers anyhow.
 
2012-06-18 11:11:57 AM  
now just imagine if it were a company run by fundamentalist muslims.
 
2012-06-18 11:15:27 AM  

kingoomieiii: Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask? Because according to the article, "In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."


To my knowledge, the only one they're not allowed to ask about is disability. They can ask about religion, but it's generally not recommended because their asking can be viewed as evidence of discrimination later on.
 
2012-06-18 11:16:17 AM  

AbbeySomeone: He might not be comfortable working in a place surrounded by those holy rollers anyhow.


This job market isn't exactly rife with options.
 
2012-06-18 11:20:06 AM  

exick: kingoomieiii: Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask? Because according to the article, "In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."

To my knowledge, the only one they're not allowed to ask about is disability. They can ask about religion, but it's generally not recommended because their asking can be viewed as evidence of discrimination later on.


The best part about the article comments is that people actually believe the company when they say "No, we found someone more qualified". The plaintiff's lawyer will discover that the other hire goes to the right church and that his primary qualification is "piety", and the guy they passed over will get loads of money.

Oh and War On Christian or something.

FlashHarry: now just imagine if it were a company run by fundamentalist muslims.


Their building would be vandalized by the end of the day. Granted, the decision would be exactly as illegal as it is now.
 
2012-06-18 11:21:41 AM  
Sure, but when I ask female applicants if they can do a Guatemalan Llama Sling *I'M* the one who has to go to sensitivity training.
 
2012-06-18 11:31:30 AM  

kingoomieiii: Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask? Because according to the article, "In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."


Most employment lawyers would tall the company to not even ASK that question, just like we try to prevent people for putting anything about age, race, or gender on a standard Job application form anywhere but in the EEOC voluntary self-identification section.

Why? Because there is no good reason to know those things. They cannot be used as part of the hiring decision, and asking them seems to indicate that you WILL be using them for that purpose, which is a big EEO no-no
 
2012-06-18 11:41:14 AM  

jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.


Nope
 
2012-06-18 11:44:07 AM  
FTFA:In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."

Yeah...that's not gonna work so much.

FTFA:"The individual hired by Voss had more lighting product experience and was more qualified."

More lighting product experience? So he's replaced more light bulbs? He's done torches, too? What does that even mean?
 
2012-06-18 11:52:38 AM  
FTFA: In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."

i.imgur.com

In other news, they play both kinds of music over the PA system there: Country and Western.
 
2012-06-18 11:54:56 AM  
I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?
 
2012-06-18 11:57:01 AM  
I'm fine with this. I'd much rather find out that the job would be unbearable during the interview than once I'd taken the job.
 
2012-06-18 11:57:05 AM  
I've seen many applications recently that require Christian belief as a requirement of hiring. And these are for jobs like "database manager" or "researcher"...guess when the economy is tough, all kinds of organization will break the rules knowing they'll get away with it.
 
2012-06-18 11:57:19 AM  
You just can't fix stupid.

I would never apply for a job with a company like that. It would make me crazy to have to deal with whacked out born-againers everyday. Some of them are very nice, but most of them are obnoxious assholes.
 
2012-06-18 11:57:33 AM  

namegoeshere: I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?


A christian who needs a job but can't make it to church on sunday because he's a single dad and can't afford childcare for weekends?
 
2012-06-18 11:58:23 AM  

namegoeshere: I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?


Maybe they're a Christian?

/although Christian or not, I'm not showing up on my dime for their company mandated bible study!
 
2012-06-18 11:58:31 AM  
It's in the Bible.

Genesis 1:3: And God said "Let there be light bulbs"
 
2012-06-18 11:58:37 AM  
"Our biblical mission," an online statement reads, "is to 'sell' our lighting products so that we may 'tell' everyone we can about God's soul-saving, life transforming gospel message..."

Biatch, you knew they was Christians....
 
2012-06-18 11:59:12 AM  
"Our biblical mission," an online statement reads, "is to 'sell' our lighting products so that we may 'tell' everyone we can about God's soul-saving, life transforming gospel message..."

Biatch, you knew they was Christians....

/next time, lie like everybody else.
 
2012-06-18 12:00:00 PM  

AbbeySomeone: exick: Trance750: I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.

I actually don't care about that as much as this FTFA: The complaint claims the manager asked Wolfe if he would "have a problem" coming to work early, without pay, to attend Bible study.

He might not be comfortable working in a place surrounded by those holy rollers anyhow.


Which doesn't mean they should have a special right to discriminate in employment on the basis of religion.
 
2012-06-18 12:00:23 PM  

FlashHarry: now just imagine if it were a company run by fundamentalist muslims.


im.videosearch.rediff.com

Approves
 
2012-06-18 12:00:31 PM  

namegoeshere: I know the job market is rough right now, but holy hell why would anyone want to work there?


2.bp.blogspot.com

Its Oklahoma. Its Tulsa (which has some liberal parts) to be sure, but its still Oklahoma. First Pentecostal university in the world.
 
2012-06-18 12:01:56 PM  

Trance750: jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.

Nope


You need to watch Zombieland, apparently.
 
2012-06-18 12:02:33 PM  
sue them back into the desert they came from.
 
2012-06-18 12:03:30 PM  

exick: kingoomieiii: Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask? Because according to the article, "In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."

To my knowledge, the only one they're not allowed to ask about is disability. They can ask about religion, but it's generally not recommended because their asking can be viewed as evidence of discrimination later on.


I hope you aren't a hiring manager, because you are going to get sued if you believe what you just said.
 
2012-06-18 12:03:47 PM  
Assuming you want the job at all, you can solve your problem with lying.

On the interview answer in a vaguely affirmative way like "I don't think that will be a problem" when asked about going to bible study class. Then if they ever ask you to go say you can't make it. If they bring up that you said you could go on the interview deny it and claim they misunderstood.

If they fire you so be it, lawyer up and claim religious discrimination. Or better yet find out they are about to fire you and file a disability claim for back injury, then they can't fire you or it looks like retaliation.
 
2012-06-18 12:04:10 PM  

The Third Man: I've seen many applications recently that require Christian belief as a requirement of hiring. And these are for jobs like "database manager" or "researcher"...guess when the economy is tough, all kinds of organization will break the rules knowing they'll get away with it.


Apply + Interview + Sue=$$$$$
 
2012-06-18 12:04:38 PM  

meanmutton: Trance750: jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.

Nope

You need to watch Zombieland, apparently.


I think you mean Ghost. With Patrick Stewart.
 
2012-06-18 12:04:57 PM  

FlashHarry: now just imagine if it were a company run by fundamentalist muslims.


I'll bet that fundamentalist Muslims at least pay their people during prayer breaks.
 
2012-06-18 12:05:29 PM  
StaleCoffee:
A christian who needs a job but can't make it to church on sunday because he's a single dad and can't afford childcare for weekends?

Now granted, it's been a really long time since I've been in a church, but the last I recall, churches were rather welcoming to children, and even had special "Sunday School" classes/day-care, the better to brainwash the little tykes.

In what way is this guy's single-dad-ness a factor in whether or not he attends church. My single-mom managed to drag me and my sister to church with no major issues for most of our childhood.


With all that said, I now know to avoid Voss lighting products [assuming I ever come across any]...
 
2012-06-18 12:05:44 PM  

bugontherug: AbbeySomeone: exick: Trance750: I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.

I actually don't care about that as much as this FTFA: The complaint claims the manager asked Wolfe if he would "have a problem" coming to work early, without pay, to attend Bible study.

He might not be comfortable working in a place surrounded by those holy rollers anyhow.

Which doesn't mean they should have a special right to discriminate in employment on the basis of religion.


True. It would be no different if he had to attend a study (on his own time, and on his own nickle) about evolution or Darwinism
 
2012-06-18 12:06:16 PM  
Private companies do not get the same ability to ignore employment laws as churches do. This man will win his lawsuit.

Also, be very afraid. The right wing folks want most of our labor laws gone and are using their religious sheep to fight the battle for them. [tinfoil hat] History has shown that banning unions and removing labor laws is one of the first signs of an emerging facist regime.
 
2012-06-18 12:06:16 PM  

Beaver1224: FTFA:In the interview, Wolfe claims he was told most employees at Voss were Southern Baptist, but employees could go to any church, as long as they were "born again."

Yeah...that's not gonna work so much.

FTFA:"The individual hired by Voss had more lighting product experience and was more qualified."

More lighting product experience? So he's replaced more light bulbs? He's done torches, too? What does that even mean?


Well, he probably knows about the major lighting techologies (High intensity discharge gas lamps, flourescent, incandescent) as well as their variants (different gasses, phosphors, filaments, respectively), less commonly used technologies like halogen lamps or sulphur plasma, LEDs. Then he probably knows about the various fixtures and their aesthetic styles, socket types, wiring types, etc...

I imagine there's quite a lot to know about lighting products.
 
2012-06-18 12:06:29 PM  
The painting in the lobby on how the light bulb was made should have been a tip off

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2012-06-18 12:06:48 PM  

Trance750: jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.

Nope


Well then I'm sure someone with your qualifications would have no trouble finding a top-flight job in either the food service or housekeeping industries.
 
2012-06-18 12:07:14 PM  

The Third Man: I've seen many applications recently that require Christian belief as a requirement of hiring. And these are for jobs like "database manager" or "researcher"...guess when the economy is tough, all kinds of organization will break the rules knowing they'll get away with it.


You should make a small collection of such job applications and turn them over to your local EEOC office. Even if they don;t take the case, you and a private lawyer could make a lot of money suing for blatant employment discrimination. The Worker protection laws in this country are pathetically weak, but they do at least prevent overt discrimination on the basis of age, gender, race, national origin or religion
 
2012-06-18 12:07:18 PM  
As an Atheist employer. I still can't understand why I can't choose who I want to work for me based on my own qualifications. Why would I be required to hire anyone on any basis.

/yes I have several strong Christians working for me.
 
2012-06-18 12:07:39 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: meanmutton: Trance750: jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.

Nope

You need to watch Zombieland, apparently.

I think you mean Ghost. With Patrick Stewart.


Actually, I meant Zombieland because they have a scene where the young girl hadn't heard of Ghostbusters and was forced to watch it. Too subtle for the Internets, probably. I should have stuck with meme-based humor.
 
2012-06-18 12:07:58 PM  

kingoomieiii: Can Fark legal expert tell me if they're even allowed to ask?


It's not so much "allowed to ask." Technically, you can ask the question, but you better hire the guy and never fire him afterwards for any reason because you will get sued and this will be the testimony that screws you in court. You can't make an employment decision based in any way on a person's religious affiliation or lack thereof. Thus, asking does you no good because you can't use the info and the supposition is that you MUST have used the information or else you would not have asked. Catch 22 and write a check.
 
2012-06-18 12:08:22 PM  
Words like that tend to exclude Catholics, too. I suppose if I want to sell Jesus light bulbs, I'll have to start a competing Jesus-light-bulb-selling company.
 
2012-06-18 12:09:08 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: meanmutton: Trance750: jchic: Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?.

Nope

You need to watch Zombieland, apparently.

I think you mean Ghost. With Patrick Stewart.


I watch Ghost Adventures on Travel Channel every now and then, but I watch it with a very large grain of salt, and for entertainment value, not face value
 
2012-06-18 12:09:38 PM  

Trance750: I agree. A person's religious (or not) preference should not be a deciding factor if somebody gets hired or notr.


durp
 
2012-06-18 12:10:56 PM  

momalboe: I hope you aren't a hiring manager, because you are going to get sued if you believe what you just said.


You might want to re-read what he said. Because that's kinda of his point. It's technically LEGAL to ask those questions, but it's ILLEGAL to actually use those answers as basis to hire someone.
 
2012-06-18 12:11:47 PM  

Quinzy: I still can't understand why I can't choose who I want to work for me based on my own qualifications.


So you'd be okay if someone said "Negroes need not apply" or the equivalent in a job advert?
 
2012-06-18 12:11:59 PM  
I thought I had a similar situation when I got hired for this job, but it turns out the manager making me handle the snake was substantially different.
 
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